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This thread seems to be devolving, people are just throwing around incorrect information that is based off of people making assumptions earlier and then taking them as fact. The stuff about Jessica being a bad manager but not doing anything else wrong or illegal is just wrong. The stuff about J being the main reason is also wrong according to Crank, MMA, and Alicia (which this thread is actually about). I can't understand why people are trying to lay blame on only the players when Crank's call, MMA's statements, the statements by Cella, and No statement from J/Ryu Won have been given and yet people are disregarding all of that in favor of their own self-created info.
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On October 26 2012 04:34 docvoc wrote:
This thread seems to be devolving, people are just throwing around incorrect information that is based off of people making assumptions earlier and then taking them as fact. The stuff about Jessica being a bad manager but not doing anything else wrong or illegal is just wrong. The stuff about J being the main reason is also wrong according to Crank, MMA, and Alicia (which this thread is actually about). I can't understand why people are trying to lay blame on only the players when Crank's call, MMA's statements, the statements by Cella, and No statement from J/Ryu Won have been given and yet people are disregarding all of that in favor of their own self-created info.
Aren't all of the things you're saying also assumptions? Specifically, your assertion about Jessica doing illegal things? I wasn't aware that she'd been convicted (or even tried) by a court of law in Korea.
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On October 26 2012 04:34 docvoc wrote:
This thread seems to be devolving, people are just throwing around incorrect information that is based off of people making assumptions earlier and then taking them as fact. The stuff about Jessica being a bad manager but not doing anything else wrong or illegal is just wrong. The stuff about J being the main reason is also wrong according to Crank, MMA, and Alicia (which this thread is actually about). I can't understand why people are trying to lay blame on only the players when Crank's call, MMA's statements, the statements by Cella, and No statement from J/Ryu Won have been given and yet people are disregarding all of that in favor of their own self-created info.
This is quite funny.
- No-one is claiming Jessica didn't do wrong things. They weren't illegal though. (incorrect information/assumption on your end)
- Mr. J is the main reason, obviously the players wouldn't go so far to say he is the main reason because they supported him all the way. (assumption on your end, countered with own assumption)
- No-one is laying the blame on only the players, we are however laying blame on them because they have made wrong actions just as Jessica has. May I add that it's also a contradiction to say in your previous sentence that we blame Mr. J. as the main reason, and the next is about how we blame only the players? Also, Cella took Jessica's side. (assumption/incorrect information on your end).
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On October 26 2012 04:26 NipponBanzai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 03:27 LuciferSC wrote:On October 25 2012 21:49 lukasdesign wrote:
business as usual...eSports is dominated by a bunch of amateurs referring to themselves professional.
Then they complain about the fact they don't get any sponsors..well if I would have a company I would sponsor a player like MMA, but why should I support their sparring partners and managers???
There are different marketing strategies - some of them involve team sponsorship, which is the reason for us having pro teams around the world having sponsors. On October 26 2012 02:06 Treemonkeys wrote:
The blame still falls at the feet of those in charge of the failed organization. Blaming the players for the failed team is really low IMO, Boxer / Jessica just were not cut out for running a successful team, if they want to blame the players, they should have and could have dealt with those players before it came to this. No blame does not always fall at the feet of those in charge. Under your logic, all parents with problematic/unsuccessful children should be blamed for their failures, all presidents of all countries should be blamed for every crime & fault that is happening in their country/by their countrymen. That's nonsense. So you're saying that if your country failed and got destroyed from the inside, you would blame the people and not the leaders... That's an odd sentiment.
You are quoting me on something I never stated - it will depend on the situation & circumstance, Both parties can potentially be responsible.
This is a good example of attempting to twist & falsify the situation.
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On October 26 2012 03:21 LuciferSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 16:36 Mozzery wrote:On October 25 2012 13:47 GungraveHero2 wrote:
im realy not loving mma and crank for what they did , they should have trust boxer and jessica not someone who was with them for 2 months , he should have talk , ask if the sponsor was real or not , not talk with 3 other player and distance from the team like they did , that the reason boxer called mma a cancer and asked him to go play at home . also mma should have act more mature and not say what they did in interview in the first place , then jessica would have never posted all the proof she did .
now mma and crank should make a interview and say they are sorry for what they have say , and maybe this drama will end
but still , they have destroyed slayers , im not sure i can forgive them . Well, MMA did bring up the issue of the sponsorship with Boxer, and it is known that Jessica hated MMA for doing that because it caused Boxer to question Jessica, and Jessica was VERY upset at Boxer questioning her about something like that and assured Boxer there was no sponsorship offer for MMA, (which of course we know there was, so MMA's question was legitimate, even though according to Jessica she had no way of knowing that at the time because Manager J was in charge of reading her sponsor e-mails). I bring this not because I believe MMA is faultless, (indeed, if Jessica is telling the truth about MMA agreeing to pay Ryu and he didn't, that's awful, graphics card present to him aside of course, if there was an actual monetary agreement that MMA didn't adhere to, I'll have lost a lot of respect for him), but because you make it seem like MMA didn't go to boxer when we know that he did. Excuse me? You talk like as if MMA receiving a personal sponsorship was a fact. At this point, it clearly isn't. MMA only claimed he heard such news from manager J. There was no evidence provided by either of them nor was there confirmation from Manager J that such thing actually happened. The only thing we have is MMA's claim that he heard such news from Manager J, and Jessica claiming that there was no personal sponsorship offer for MMA to the best of her knowledge (unless Manager J refused to tell Jessica about it, in which case it is his entire fault) As it is the nature of such things, the accuser have the responsibility of proving (by giving evidence) their accusation to be true, or there is no accusation worth any weight or consideration. Please stop confusing people with your mock claim of what isn't true at this point.
you clearly haven't kept up with the news. A representative from Razer claimed they offered MMA a personal sponsorship and it was turned down by Jessica's e-mail. A deleted tweet from Razer Korea says that Manager J had access to Jessica's e-mail and hid the knowledge of the sponsorship offer from her. Reasonable guess to say Manager J showed MMA the e-mail from "Jessica" denying him a personal sponsorship. In this case either Jessica was not looking out in her players best interest or was allowing Manager J even more trust and power than any player ever did by giving him access to her e-mail. If the company saying they offered a sponsorship isn't evidence I don't know what is.
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On October 26 2012 05:22 Mozzery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 03:21 LuciferSC wrote:On October 25 2012 16:36 Mozzery wrote:On October 25 2012 13:47 GungraveHero2 wrote:
im realy not loving mma and crank for what they did , they should have trust boxer and jessica not someone who was with them for 2 months , he should have talk , ask if the sponsor was real or not , not talk with 3 other player and distance from the team like they did , that the reason boxer called mma a cancer and asked him to go play at home . also mma should have act more mature and not say what they did in interview in the first place , then jessica would have never posted all the proof she did .
now mma and crank should make a interview and say they are sorry for what they have say , and maybe this drama will end
but still , they have destroyed slayers , im not sure i can forgive them . Well, MMA did bring up the issue of the sponsorship with Boxer, and it is known that Jessica hated MMA for doing that because it caused Boxer to question Jessica, and Jessica was VERY upset at Boxer questioning her about something like that and assured Boxer there was no sponsorship offer for MMA, (which of course we know there was, so MMA's question was legitimate, even though according to Jessica she had no way of knowing that at the time because Manager J was in charge of reading her sponsor e-mails). I bring this not because I believe MMA is faultless, (indeed, if Jessica is telling the truth about MMA agreeing to pay Ryu and he didn't, that's awful, graphics card present to him aside of course, if there was an actual monetary agreement that MMA didn't adhere to, I'll have lost a lot of respect for him), but because you make it seem like MMA didn't go to boxer when we know that he did. Excuse me? You talk like as if MMA receiving a personal sponsorship was a fact. At this point, it clearly isn't. MMA only claimed he heard such news from manager J. There was no evidence provided by either of them nor was there confirmation from Manager J that such thing actually happened. The only thing we have is MMA's claim that he heard such news from Manager J, and Jessica claiming that there was no personal sponsorship offer for MMA to the best of her knowledge (unless Manager J refused to tell Jessica about it, in which case it is his entire fault) As it is the nature of such things, the accuser have the responsibility of proving (by giving evidence) their accusation to be true, or there is no accusation worth any weight or consideration. Please stop confusing people with your mock claim of what isn't true at this point. you clearly haven't kept up with the news. A representative from Razer claimed they offered MMA a personal sponsorship and it was turned down by Jessica's e-mail. A deleted tweet from Razer Korea says that Manager J had access to Jessica's e-mail and hid the knowledge of the sponsorship offer from her. Reasonable guess to say Manager J showed MMA the e-mail from "Jessica" denying him a personal sponsorship. In this case either Jessica was not looking out in her players best interest or was allowing Manager J even more trust and power than any player ever did by giving him access to her e-mail. If the company saying they offered a sponsorship isn't evidence I don't know what is.
That changes things.. and yes I agree with your thoughts there on that one.
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Holy crap I just got back from a short leave and all this is happening -
Wtf is going on?
MMA's sponsorship is going to Boxer... why?
Can some1 tldr this?
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MMA's sponsorship did not go to Boxer, the sponsorship of MMA was rejected and was not subsequently given to anyone. In fact, a sponsorship for Boxer was apparently rejected as well, which is weak/strong evidence depending on your opinions that it was Manager J who actually did both rejections as unless Jessica was really pushing for a team sponsorship extension and willing to drop a personal sponsorship for Boxer because of it, hoping to get Razer to cave, there is no reason for her to turn away a Boxer sponsorship as well as an MMA one.
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Damn... any reason why this "J" would do that?
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The cella stuff made me sad 
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Sir Scoots on Live on Three brought up the fact that Manager J is a confirmed sketchy guy by IPL, he apparently tried to get the IPL4 prize money transferred to his bank account instead of the slayers one, but IPL fixed it when comparing numbers with Jessica. Lends credence to the 'Manager J did sketchy stuff' theory.
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On October 26 2012 04:26 NipponBanzai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 03:27 LuciferSC wrote:On October 25 2012 21:49 lukasdesign wrote:
business as usual...eSports is dominated by a bunch of amateurs referring to themselves professional.
Then they complain about the fact they don't get any sponsors..well if I would have a company I would sponsor a player like MMA, but why should I support their sparring partners and managers???
There are different marketing strategies - some of them involve team sponsorship, which is the reason for us having pro teams around the world having sponsors. On October 26 2012 02:06 Treemonkeys wrote:
The blame still falls at the feet of those in charge of the failed organization. Blaming the players for the failed team is really low IMO, Boxer / Jessica just were not cut out for running a successful team, if they want to blame the players, they should have and could have dealt with those players before it came to this. No blame does not always fall at the feet of those in charge. Under your logic, all parents with problematic/unsuccessful children should be blamed for their failures, all presidents of all countries should be blamed for every crime & fault that is happening in their country/by their countrymen. That's nonsense. So you're saying that if your country failed and got destroyed from the inside, you would blame the people and not the leaders... That's an odd sentiment.
Just an example, the President has far less control of the economy and things like 'job growth' than people think. But people still like putting all the blame and accolades on one man. It is indeed ridiculous.
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On October 27 2012 17:06 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 04:26 NipponBanzai wrote:On October 26 2012 03:27 LuciferSC wrote:On October 25 2012 21:49 lukasdesign wrote:
business as usual...eSports is dominated by a bunch of amateurs referring to themselves professional.
Then they complain about the fact they don't get any sponsors..well if I would have a company I would sponsor a player like MMA, but why should I support their sparring partners and managers???
There are different marketing strategies - some of them involve team sponsorship, which is the reason for us having pro teams around the world having sponsors. On October 26 2012 02:06 Treemonkeys wrote:
The blame still falls at the feet of those in charge of the failed organization. Blaming the players for the failed team is really low IMO, Boxer / Jessica just were not cut out for running a successful team, if they want to blame the players, they should have and could have dealt with those players before it came to this. No blame does not always fall at the feet of those in charge. Under your logic, all parents with problematic/unsuccessful children should be blamed for their failures, all presidents of all countries should be blamed for every crime & fault that is happening in their country/by their countrymen. That's nonsense. So you're saying that if your country failed and got destroyed from the inside, you would blame the people and not the leaders... That's an odd sentiment. Just an example, the President has far less control of the economy and things like 'job growth' than people think. But people still like putting all the blame and accolades on one man. It is indeed ridiculous.
I wouldn't blame the President entirely for a nation's collapse.
I would, however, blame him if his entire cabinet resigned.
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Sorry to necro, but was there any new information after the phone call?
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On November 21 2012 04:54 geokilla wrote:
Sorry to necro, but was there any new information after the phone call?
Why oh why would you bump this. Take this persons advice
On October 28 2012 15:41 NEOtheONE wrote:I think it's about time to drop the issue. + Show Spoiler +
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You just went and necroed all the feels for this team back
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