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On October 23 2012 09:11 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Yea she probably bought those coupons with the money she collected when the players paid the team a percentage of their foreign tournament winnings.
She gave the money back to the players.
I wish you could learn how to read
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On October 23 2012 09:13 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:11 TommyP wrote:On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Yea she probably bought those coupons with the money she collected when the players paid the team a percentage of their foreign tournament winnings. She gave the money back to the players. I wish you could learn how to read
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On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
...How is that "taking care" of the players. Cosmetics? Seriously? -Seriously-?! What about Boxer's shoulder problems or Crank's neck pain? Those are things that I think SHOULD warrant much more attention that freaking cosmetics or SKIN CARE!!
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On October 23 2012 09:12 Proflo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:11 TommyP wrote:On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Yea she probably bought those coupons with the money she collected when the players paid the team a percentage of their foreign tournament winnings. Slayers never collected those fees.... comon man, at least read the thing.
I did but so much shit is being flung from both sides it gets confusing
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On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players and the least bias person right now would be Boxer.
Uhhhhh. Boxer won't be the least biased, considering Jessica is his fiancee, not to mention he has his own career to think of, so he has little incentive to do anything but parrot what Jessica is saying. Up until now he has been silent, and as much as I want his version of things, I don't think it would help.
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On October 23 2012 09:08 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:04 Drlemur wrote:
Can anybody summarize what Crank & MMA have done that would be bad by western standards? Complaining about how the team is run, wanting more, wanting to go to a team that paid better -- those aren't things that really get you in trouble in US/Europe. We're kind of used to high-pressure athletes occasionally acting out like primadonnas too. And then mostly forgiving them afterward.
Other than disrespecting Boxer/Jessica, I'm not seeing much to the accusations here. Maybe MMA not paying Ryu if he was his personal coach? That seems more about the two of them than Slayers, then.
Not sure how J shows up and costs them all their sponsors either, but that kind of event can't be anybody's fault but management unless Crank/MMA were actively dissuading sponsors. I haven't seen any accusation of that.
I probably don't understand Korean culture enough to really get the drama here, but I'm ready to go watch Ax.Crank and EG.MMA start just playing SC2 again. I agree none of this makes sense to me either. Just because there were some players who hated Jessica why does the team disband? And what's wrong with being angry with your boss and arguing? I think Jessica made the biggest mistake by starting the drama. If they had to disband (which I don't see why they had to) why make a big shitstorm?
Boxer is pretty much the only reason this matters. There have been plenty of players in the past that have wiggled out of their teams to move on to apparently greener pastures. Take aLive and Oz for example - both TSL and FXO people were angered by how they acted, but it blew over within a week.
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On October 23 2012 09:12 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:07 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:52 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 08:44 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:40 mongmong wrote:
MMA's statement is hard countered by Jessica.
It looks like the former coach Ryu won turned MMA's personal coach, and MMA was the one
responsible for paying Ryu won after he won GSL anaheim, but Ryu won only received a graphics card
worth $1000. So thats why Ryu won left slayers for woongjin Wait, you mean the team manager assigned a personal coach and then make him pay for it, while he does not have a chance to look for any or have any knowledge for sponsorship? Mind blown. Jessica should never ever manage any business again. when did i say the team manager assigned a personal coach? why are you making shit up? omfg ..... ok ill give a slighty more detailed explanation. MMA introduced coach Ryu won, who at the time was a close friend of MMA, to jessica. Jessica, MMA and Ryu met in person and coach Ryu was told by jessica that no salary would be paid by her to him since he is MMA's personal coach. Do you now understand??? It was MMA who introduced Ryu to jessica. It does not matter who introduce coach Ryu to whom. It's a matter of allowing your player to get a personal coach without any 1.) contract or 2.) make sure that he will get paid. Moreover, MMA's performance increase due to coach Ryu's coaching would still benefit the teams in many way, such as fame and team league performance. If the team was not willing to pay him, then she should not allow MMA to have personal coach since the beginning. The decision to him had one was already a big mistake. Now, I don't say that MMA was not wrong that he did not pay Coach Ryu. But it is just so amateurish from the Slayers management part to let this happen, instead of making sure that coach was rightfully compensated by the team because ,let's face it, the team benefits from coach Ryu coaching on MMA without holding any responsibility. Amateurish? There's countless instances in sports where athletes pay their own trainers while still being part of a team. True, but that is when athletes has regular salary that can make sure he would pay the coach. I doubt MMA could really personally hire coach Ryu with his regular salary (if there is any), so I would say there is more into this matter. But it was just so amateurish for me for a team not to hire a coach for your "best" player and make sure he does not have to worry about paying him. It just reeked that Jessica doesn't understand how to manage the team.
True, and that holds true when the athlete pays a monthly salary to the coach. Apperantly MMA should've been paying a percentage of his winnings to Coach Ryu.
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On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players. The least biased person right now would be Boxer.
Can't be trusted? She may overreact but so far she has never lied and backed up her stuff with actual evidence compared to her "opponents".
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On October 23 2012 09:13 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ...How is that "taking care" of the players. Cosmetics? Seriously? -Seriously-?! What about Boxer's shoulder problems or Crank's neck pain? Those are things that I think SHOULD warrant much more attention that freaking cosmetics or SKIN CARE!!
Calm the fuck down. Your expectations of employment is completely twisted. I know alot of employment positions that don't offer fucking free dental. Ask any grown person working, is it the responsibility of the employment to deal with your personal injuries? You would be lucky if they don't make you prove it with a doctor's note and duct your pay, the best thing that happens is they put you on paid leave.
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On October 23 2012 09:10 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:07 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Benjamin99 wrote:
All this drama. The fact of the matter is in any organisation its the boss,director,project manager responsibility to keep its staff happy and in order and to provide workable atmosphere. If there is any problem with the staff its the boss job to fix it.
So if this was actually a company and I was in the board of directors I would fire Jessica faster then the speed of light. Its clearly for me that not only did she fail completely regarding managing the team but she is also trying to push away her responsibility and blame other factors for the disbandment of Slayers.
A team is only as good as its leader Last time I checked, the current response as the employee is not to: 1. Lie 2. Look for direct competitors for a job 3. Disadvantage the employment you are with 4. Do this while under employment / contract. Being a bad manager or making mistakes has consequences, but it isn't illegal. Jessica / Boxer literally had a sole proprietorship after they lost sponsors so they weren't responsible to other financial parties. Nothing about what Jessica did was illegal. What these players did are actually illegal actions. You could argue that the manager/leader has the responsibility to screen the people they invite to their organization. Plenty of real companies that has been convicted for negligence for this exact kind of things. And void the responsibility from the individuals who committed the illegal action? Come on, you are supposed to press court action against the employees first before even doing that. The responsibility would actually be from w/e association MMA / Alicia / Crank came from, since SlayerS had no ability to screen that how are they supposed to be hold responsible.
I have no idea how your response to my post even remotely relates to your original statement which I was trying to give an alternative perspective on.
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On October 23 2012 09:15 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:13 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ...How is that "taking care" of the players. Cosmetics? Seriously? -Seriously-?! What about Boxer's shoulder problems or Crank's neck pain? Those are things that I think SHOULD warrant much more attention that freaking cosmetics or SKIN CARE!! Calm the fuck down. Your expectations of employment is completely twisted. I know alot of employment positions that don't offer fucking free dental. Ask any grown person working, is it the responsibility of the employment to deal with your personal injuries? You would be lucky if they don't make you prove it with a doctor's note and duct your pay, the best thing that happens is they put you on paid leave.
Completely twisted in that you would think that players would receive care for things that actually impede their ability to play...sure. While free dental care is nice, last time I checked, you don't use your teeth to play.
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On October 23 2012 09:15 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:13 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ...How is that "taking care" of the players. Cosmetics? Seriously? -Seriously-?! What about Boxer's shoulder problems or Crank's neck pain? Those are things that I think SHOULD warrant much more attention that freaking cosmetics or SKIN CARE!! Calm the fuck down. Your expectations of employment is completely twisted. I know alot of employment positions that don't offer fucking free dental. Ask any grown person working, is it the responsibility of the employment to deal with your personal injuries? You would be lucky if they don't make you prove it with a doctor's note and duct your pay, the best thing that happens is they put you on paid leave.
But if the injury is caused by the work?
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On October 23 2012 09:13 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players and the least bias person right now would be Boxer. Uhhhhh. Boxer won't be the least biased, considering Jessica is his fiancee, not to mention he has his own career to think of, so he has little incentive to do anything but parrot what Jessica is saying. Up until now he has been silent, and as much as I want his version of things, I don't think it would help.
He apparently admits to some faults of the management though, Jessica on the contrary has just blamed everyone else. If what MMA says about Jessica and Boxer arguing all the time is true, then he would be the most middle-ground person there is.
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On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players. The least biased person right now would be Boxer.
Least biased? Lol, I dont know any man that would go against the word of his fiance, unless he wants to sleep on the sofa. (Not that i know what their living arrangements are like).
While it would be nice to have his side of the story, and while it is Boxer and everything. I can't help but feel that its basically just going to the same as Jessica's version of events. Im not saying that it wouldnt be true or untrue or anything. It hurts me to say this, but you'd have to consider it at least slightly unreliable.
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On October 23 2012 09:16 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:10 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:07 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Benjamin99 wrote:
All this drama. The fact of the matter is in any organisation its the boss,director,project manager responsibility to keep its staff happy and in order and to provide workable atmosphere. If there is any problem with the staff its the boss job to fix it.
So if this was actually a company and I was in the board of directors I would fire Jessica faster then the speed of light. Its clearly for me that not only did she fail completely regarding managing the team but she is also trying to push away her responsibility and blame other factors for the disbandment of Slayers.
A team is only as good as its leader Last time I checked, the current response as the employee is not to: 1. Lie 2. Look for direct competitors for a job 3. Disadvantage the employment you are with 4. Do this while under employment / contract. Being a bad manager or making mistakes has consequences, but it isn't illegal. Jessica / Boxer literally had a sole proprietorship after they lost sponsors so they weren't responsible to other financial parties. Nothing about what Jessica did was illegal. What these players did are actually illegal actions. You could argue that the manager/leader has the responsibility to screen the people they invite to their organization. Plenty of real companies that has been convicted for negligence for this exact kind of things. And void the responsibility from the individuals who committed the illegal action? Come on, you are supposed to press court action against the employees first before even doing that. The responsibility would actually be from w/e association MMA / Alicia / Crank came from, since SlayerS had no ability to screen that how are they supposed to be hold responsible. I have no idea how your response to my post even remotely relates to your original statement which I was trying to give an alternative perspective on.
Jessica isn't pressing legal responsibility on these players, therefore your statement doesn't stand. Unless these players want to press legal responsibility and admit their own legal failings first.
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On October 23 2012 09:17 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:16 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:10 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:07 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Benjamin99 wrote:
All this drama. The fact of the matter is in any organisation its the boss,director,project manager responsibility to keep its staff happy and in order and to provide workable atmosphere. If there is any problem with the staff its the boss job to fix it.
So if this was actually a company and I was in the board of directors I would fire Jessica faster then the speed of light. Its clearly for me that not only did she fail completely regarding managing the team but she is also trying to push away her responsibility and blame other factors for the disbandment of Slayers.
A team is only as good as its leader Last time I checked, the current response as the employee is not to: 1. Lie 2. Look for direct competitors for a job 3. Disadvantage the employment you are with 4. Do this while under employment / contract. Being a bad manager or making mistakes has consequences, but it isn't illegal. Jessica / Boxer literally had a sole proprietorship after they lost sponsors so they weren't responsible to other financial parties. Nothing about what Jessica did was illegal. What these players did are actually illegal actions. You could argue that the manager/leader has the responsibility to screen the people they invite to their organization. Plenty of real companies that has been convicted for negligence for this exact kind of things. And void the responsibility from the individuals who committed the illegal action? Come on, you are supposed to press court action against the employees first before even doing that. The responsibility would actually be from w/e association MMA / Alicia / Crank came from, since SlayerS had no ability to screen that how are they supposed to be hold responsible. I have no idea how your response to my post even remotely relates to your original statement which I was trying to give an alternative perspective on. Jessica isn't pressing legal responsibility on these players, therefore your statement doesn't stand. Unless these players want to press legal responsibility and admit their own legal failings first.
She is taking Alicia to court for something that no one but them knows about.
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On October 23 2012 09:17 Amplify_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:15 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:13 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:08 mongmong wrote:
Jessica also offered to the team members
50% discount for cosmetics
80% discount for skin care (MMA went through this a few times)
Free dental care (Alicia went through this twice)
Yeah.. Looks like she didnt take good care of the players LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ...How is that "taking care" of the players. Cosmetics? Seriously? -Seriously-?! What about Boxer's shoulder problems or Crank's neck pain? Those are things that I think SHOULD warrant much more attention that freaking cosmetics or SKIN CARE!! Calm the fuck down. Your expectations of employment is completely twisted. I know alot of employment positions that don't offer fucking free dental. Ask any grown person working, is it the responsibility of the employment to deal with your personal injuries? You would be lucky if they don't make you prove it with a doctor's note and duct your pay, the best thing that happens is they put you on paid leave. But if the injury is caused by the work?
So did they press this? There's a normal standard of appeal. Did Crank appeal that it was work related? And he got his leave, even after getting his leave he continued to lie and look for alternate employment. Plain and simple illegal. If an employee gets medical leave on issues that he can't work, yet the employer finds out he's trying to find alternate sources of income doing exactly what he would do at work for other employers, that's flat out illegal.
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On October 23 2012 09:17 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:16 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:10 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:07 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Benjamin99 wrote:
All this drama. The fact of the matter is in any organisation its the boss,director,project manager responsibility to keep its staff happy and in order and to provide workable atmosphere. If there is any problem with the staff its the boss job to fix it.
So if this was actually a company and I was in the board of directors I would fire Jessica faster then the speed of light. Its clearly for me that not only did she fail completely regarding managing the team but she is also trying to push away her responsibility and blame other factors for the disbandment of Slayers.
A team is only as good as its leader Last time I checked, the current response as the employee is not to: 1. Lie 2. Look for direct competitors for a job 3. Disadvantage the employment you are with 4. Do this while under employment / contract. Being a bad manager or making mistakes has consequences, but it isn't illegal. Jessica / Boxer literally had a sole proprietorship after they lost sponsors so they weren't responsible to other financial parties. Nothing about what Jessica did was illegal. What these players did are actually illegal actions. You could argue that the manager/leader has the responsibility to screen the people they invite to their organization. Plenty of real companies that has been convicted for negligence for this exact kind of things. And void the responsibility from the individuals who committed the illegal action? Come on, you are supposed to press court action against the employees first before even doing that. The responsibility would actually be from w/e association MMA / Alicia / Crank came from, since SlayerS had no ability to screen that how are they supposed to be hold responsible. I have no idea how your response to my post even remotely relates to your original statement which I was trying to give an alternative perspective on. Jessica isn't pressing legal responsibility on these players, therefore your statement doesn't stand. Unless these players want to press legal responsibility and admit their own legal failings first.
I never said she did, I think you are misunderstanding something about my post.
and ignore @geokilla, I still stand by that I didn't mean she took anyone to court.
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MMA and Crank.
people are saying as if they were some fucking superstars in the first place.
If it hadnt been for Jessica and boxer, both wouldve been simply gaming addicts who
eat noodles in a small pc bang 24/7.
And people in this thread seem to have ridiculous expectations from employers
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On October 23 2012 09:17 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:13 babylon wrote:On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players and the least bias person right now would be Boxer. Uhhhhh. Boxer won't be the least biased, considering Jessica is his fiancee, not to mention he has his own career to think of, so he has little incentive to do anything but parrot what Jessica is saying. Up until now he has been silent, and as much as I want his version of things, I don't think it would help. He apparently admits to some faults of the management though, Jessica on the contrary has just blamed everyone else. If what MMA says about Jessica and Boxer arguing all the time is true, then he would be the most middle-ground person there is.
We only have his admissions from second-hand as told by Crank and MMA. I guess there is also the phone call, but I can't understand Korean, so I can't say for sure whether or not he admitted anything directly.
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