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TIG is just hearing cash registers.
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On October 23 2012 09:23 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:15 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:12 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:07 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:52 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 08:44 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:40 mongmong wrote:
MMA's statement is hard countered by Jessica.
It looks like the former coach Ryu won turned MMA's personal coach, and MMA was the one
responsible for paying Ryu won after he won GSL anaheim, but Ryu won only received a graphics card
worth $1000. So thats why Ryu won left slayers for woongjin Wait, you mean the team manager assigned a personal coach and then make him pay for it, while he does not have a chance to look for any or have any knowledge for sponsorship? Mind blown. Jessica should never ever manage any business again. when did i say the team manager assigned a personal coach? why are you making shit up? omfg ..... ok ill give a slighty more detailed explanation. MMA introduced coach Ryu won, who at the time was a close friend of MMA, to jessica. Jessica, MMA and Ryu met in person and coach Ryu was told by jessica that no salary would be paid by her to him since he is MMA's personal coach. Do you now understand??? It was MMA who introduced Ryu to jessica. It does not matter who introduce coach Ryu to whom. It's a matter of allowing your player to get a personal coach without any 1.) contract or 2.) make sure that he will get paid. Moreover, MMA's performance increase due to coach Ryu's coaching would still benefit the teams in many way, such as fame and team league performance. If the team was not willing to pay him, then she should not allow MMA to have personal coach since the beginning. The decision to him had one was already a big mistake. Now, I don't say that MMA was not wrong that he did not pay Coach Ryu. But it is just so amateurish from the Slayers management part to let this happen, instead of making sure that coach was rightfully compensated by the team because ,let's face it, the team benefits from coach Ryu coaching on MMA without holding any responsibility. Amateurish? There's countless instances in sports where athletes pay their own trainers while still being part of a team. True, but that is when athletes has regular salary that can make sure he would pay the coach. I doubt MMA could really personally hire coach Ryu with his regular salary (if there is any), so I would say there is more into this matter. But it was just so amateurish for me for a team not to hire a coach for your "best" player and make sure he does not have to worry about paying him. It just reeked that Jessica doesn't understand how to manage the team. True, and that holds true when the athlete pays a monthly salary to the coach. Apperantly MMA should've been paying a percentage of his winnings to Coach Ryu. Well, he did said that he spit his reward with Coach Ryu, while Jessica claimed the opposite. We don't know what is the "truth" in this case, so anything further from this is purely speculation because right now, there are two possible truths exist at the same time.
Agreed, just saying that it isn't a weird managerial decision.
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On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE..........
Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!?
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On October 23 2012 09:23 gamerfan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:20 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:15 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players. The least biased person right now would be Boxer. Can't be trusted? She may overreact but so far she has never lied and backed up her stuff with actual evidence compared to her "opponents". She over exaggerates A LOT. Didn't she (apparently) ask for 90k as a transfer fee for MMA but only reduced that to 0 after no one would accept? Yeah, she has the email between her and Nazgul, but she didn't mention that she was asking for money beforehand. Where's the prove she asked for 90k? I'm guessing you're just going to take MMA and Slashers word for it. How about they release that email of her asking for 90k? oh that's right they dont have to prove anything, they just need to talk hot air and ppl here would believe them.
The point is no one can be trusted completely on either side, Jessica and any of the players. I would argue that Boxer is the most trustworthy person and has the least biased view of the whole ordeal. Others are contesting that Boxer would automatically side with Jessica.
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Lot of the stuff that MMA says doesn't fit or make sense, and are unprofessional. On top of that, no one on that Korean forum is siding with MMA lol
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On October 23 2012 09:23 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:15 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:12 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:07 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:52 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 08:44 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:40 mongmong wrote:
MMA's statement is hard countered by Jessica.
It looks like the former coach Ryu won turned MMA's personal coach, and MMA was the one
responsible for paying Ryu won after he won GSL anaheim, but Ryu won only received a graphics card
worth $1000. So thats why Ryu won left slayers for woongjin Wait, you mean the team manager assigned a personal coach and then make him pay for it, while he does not have a chance to look for any or have any knowledge for sponsorship? Mind blown. Jessica should never ever manage any business again. when did i say the team manager assigned a personal coach? why are you making shit up? omfg ..... ok ill give a slighty more detailed explanation. MMA introduced coach Ryu won, who at the time was a close friend of MMA, to jessica. Jessica, MMA and Ryu met in person and coach Ryu was told by jessica that no salary would be paid by her to him since he is MMA's personal coach. Do you now understand??? It was MMA who introduced Ryu to jessica. It does not matter who introduce coach Ryu to whom. It's a matter of allowing your player to get a personal coach without any 1.) contract or 2.) make sure that he will get paid. Moreover, MMA's performance increase due to coach Ryu's coaching would still benefit the teams in many way, such as fame and team league performance. If the team was not willing to pay him, then she should not allow MMA to have personal coach since the beginning. The decision to him had one was already a big mistake. Now, I don't say that MMA was not wrong that he did not pay Coach Ryu. But it is just so amateurish from the Slayers management part to let this happen, instead of making sure that coach was rightfully compensated by the team because ,let's face it, the team benefits from coach Ryu coaching on MMA without holding any responsibility. Amateurish? There's countless instances in sports where athletes pay their own trainers while still being part of a team. True, but that is when athletes has regular salary that can make sure he would pay the coach. I doubt MMA could really personally hire coach Ryu with his regular salary (if there is any), so I would say there is more into this matter. But it was just so amateurish for me for a team not to hire a coach for your "best" player and make sure he does not have to worry about paying him. It just reeked that Jessica doesn't understand how to manage the team. True, and that holds true when the athlete pays a monthly salary to the coach. Apperantly MMA should've been paying a percentage of his winnings to Coach Ryu. Well, he did said that he spit his reward with Coach Ryu, while Jessica claimed the opposite. We don't know what is the "truth" in this case, so anything further from this is purely speculation because right now, there are two possible truths exist at the same time.
No he didnt.
Why do you think Coach Ryu left for woongjin?
Think
Just think
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The new Jessica stuff/Phone call stuff really isn't terribly interesting 
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On October 23 2012 09:22 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:20 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:15 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players. The least biased person right now would be Boxer. Can't be trusted? She may overreact but so far she has never lied and backed up her stuff with actual evidence compared to her "opponents". She over exaggerates A LOT. Didn't she (apparently) ask for 90k as a transfer fee for MMA but only reduced that to 0 after no one would accept? Yeah, she has the email between her and Nazgul, but she didn't mention that she was asking for money beforehand. Crank and MMA over exaggerates A LOT as well ^^
True. Doesnt mean reputation of anyone be it MMA, Boxer or Jessica in any way should be considered as some sort of holy cow.
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On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!?
I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this.
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United States33699 Posts
there will be many fights between Jessica supporters and Crank supporters about how the tones and nuances were translated 
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On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this.
Ahhhh...it must be hard, I'm sure...
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On October 23 2012 09:27 Waxangel wrote:there will be many fights between Jessica supporters and Crank supporters about how the tones and nuances were translated
Probably. I'd still at the very least like the transcript; as would everyone I'm sure, haha.
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On October 23 2012 09:27 Waxangel wrote:there will be many fights between Jessica supporters and Crank supporters about how the tones and nuances were translated
What does does the translation say?
It's hard to make an opinion searching through the thread when the majority of the thread is people bitching at each other.
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On October 23 2012 09:22 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:20 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:15 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:11 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 09:05 Kishin2 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:02 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:01 Kishin2 wrote:
Boxer is still the person that can potentially put everything at ease here. He already did. He grabbed the phone and talked it out with crank to come clean face to face. He needs an official statement regarding Crank, MMA, him quitting as a player, the manager, everything. I'd rather let Jessica handle all of that though. She is too deep in already. BoxeR should remain as the Emperor letting everything happen by natural order. Jessica can't be trusted at this point. Opinions are polarized between Jessica and the players. The least biased person right now would be Boxer. Can't be trusted? She may overreact but so far she has never lied and backed up her stuff with actual evidence compared to her "opponents". She over exaggerates A LOT. Didn't she (apparently) ask for 90k as a transfer fee for MMA but only reduced that to 0 after no one would accept? Yeah, she has the email between her and Nazgul, but she didn't mention that she was asking for money beforehand. Crank and MMA over exaggerates A LOT as well ^^
That's the point, both sides are a hyperbole. Trying to look for the middle ground instead of constant bashing from both sides is the key.
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Basically crank keeps on saying "what did I do wrong" "why am i responsible for this shit storm"
Jessica gets mad at him (lol). Boxer takes over and wants to him to come in and meet face to face to resolve cleanly. Crank and Boxer talk was pretty sad to read though. Crank will get what he deserves.
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On October 23 2012 09:26 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:23 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:15 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:12 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:07 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:52 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 08:44 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:40 mongmong wrote:
MMA's statement is hard countered by Jessica.
It looks like the former coach Ryu won turned MMA's personal coach, and MMA was the one
responsible for paying Ryu won after he won GSL anaheim, but Ryu won only received a graphics card
worth $1000. So thats why Ryu won left slayers for woongjin Wait, you mean the team manager assigned a personal coach and then make him pay for it, while he does not have a chance to look for any or have any knowledge for sponsorship? Mind blown. Jessica should never ever manage any business again. when did i say the team manager assigned a personal coach? why are you making shit up? omfg ..... ok ill give a slighty more detailed explanation. MMA introduced coach Ryu won, who at the time was a close friend of MMA, to jessica. Jessica, MMA and Ryu met in person and coach Ryu was told by jessica that no salary would be paid by her to him since he is MMA's personal coach. Do you now understand??? It was MMA who introduced Ryu to jessica. It does not matter who introduce coach Ryu to whom. It's a matter of allowing your player to get a personal coach without any 1.) contract or 2.) make sure that he will get paid. Moreover, MMA's performance increase due to coach Ryu's coaching would still benefit the teams in many way, such as fame and team league performance. If the team was not willing to pay him, then she should not allow MMA to have personal coach since the beginning. The decision to him had one was already a big mistake. Now, I don't say that MMA was not wrong that he did not pay Coach Ryu. But it is just so amateurish from the Slayers management part to let this happen, instead of making sure that coach was rightfully compensated by the team because ,let's face it, the team benefits from coach Ryu coaching on MMA without holding any responsibility. Amateurish? There's countless instances in sports where athletes pay their own trainers while still being part of a team. True, but that is when athletes has regular salary that can make sure he would pay the coach. I doubt MMA could really personally hire coach Ryu with his regular salary (if there is any), so I would say there is more into this matter. But it was just so amateurish for me for a team not to hire a coach for your "best" player and make sure he does not have to worry about paying him. It just reeked that Jessica doesn't understand how to manage the team. True, and that holds true when the athlete pays a monthly salary to the coach. Apperantly MMA should've been paying a percentage of his winnings to Coach Ryu. Well, he did said that he spit his reward with Coach Ryu, while Jessica claimed the opposite. We don't know what is the "truth" in this case, so anything further from this is purely speculation because right now, there are two possible truths exist at the same time. No he didnt. Why do you think Coach Ryu left for woongjin? Think Just think
because a consistent salary >>>> getting some of MMA's winnings.
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On October 23 2012 09:26 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:23 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:15 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:12 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:07 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:52 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 08:44 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:40 mongmong wrote:
MMA's statement is hard countered by Jessica.
It looks like the former coach Ryu won turned MMA's personal coach, and MMA was the one
responsible for paying Ryu won after he won GSL anaheim, but Ryu won only received a graphics card
worth $1000. So thats why Ryu won left slayers for woongjin Wait, you mean the team manager assigned a personal coach and then make him pay for it, while he does not have a chance to look for any or have any knowledge for sponsorship? Mind blown. Jessica should never ever manage any business again. when did i say the team manager assigned a personal coach? why are you making shit up? omfg ..... ok ill give a slighty more detailed explanation. MMA introduced coach Ryu won, who at the time was a close friend of MMA, to jessica. Jessica, MMA and Ryu met in person and coach Ryu was told by jessica that no salary would be paid by her to him since he is MMA's personal coach. Do you now understand??? It was MMA who introduced Ryu to jessica. It does not matter who introduce coach Ryu to whom. It's a matter of allowing your player to get a personal coach without any 1.) contract or 2.) make sure that he will get paid. Moreover, MMA's performance increase due to coach Ryu's coaching would still benefit the teams in many way, such as fame and team league performance. If the team was not willing to pay him, then she should not allow MMA to have personal coach since the beginning. The decision to him had one was already a big mistake. Now, I don't say that MMA was not wrong that he did not pay Coach Ryu. But it is just so amateurish from the Slayers management part to let this happen, instead of making sure that coach was rightfully compensated by the team because ,let's face it, the team benefits from coach Ryu coaching on MMA without holding any responsibility. Amateurish? There's countless instances in sports where athletes pay their own trainers while still being part of a team. True, but that is when athletes has regular salary that can make sure he would pay the coach. I doubt MMA could really personally hire coach Ryu with his regular salary (if there is any), so I would say there is more into this matter. But it was just so amateurish for me for a team not to hire a coach for your "best" player and make sure he does not have to worry about paying him. It just reeked that Jessica doesn't understand how to manage the team. True, and that holds true when the athlete pays a monthly salary to the coach. Apperantly MMA should've been paying a percentage of his winnings to Coach Ryu. Well, he did said that he spit his reward with Coach Ryu, while Jessica claimed the opposite. We don't know what is the "truth" in this case, so anything further from this is purely speculation because right now, there are two possible truths exist at the same time. No he didnt. Why do you think Coach Ryu left for woongjin? Think Just think
Because Woongjin job is a million times better in every way than sticking with a team that everybody wants to leave anyway? Or sticking with one single slumping player, if that story were true.
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On October 23 2012 09:27 Waxangel wrote:there will be many fights between Jessica supporters and Crank supporters about how the tones and nuances were translated
Sharpening sword and donning armor right now!
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On October 23 2012 09:29 ThePurist wrote:
Basically crank keeps on saying "what did I do wrong" "why am i responsible for this shit storm"
Jessica gets mad at him. Boxer takes over and wants to him to come in and meet face to face to resolve cleanly. Crank and Boxer talk was pretty sad to read though. Crank will get what he deserves.
Forgive me, but sad how? Ahhh, this won't turn out well either way at this point.
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On October 23 2012 09:29 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:26 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:15 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:12 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:07 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:04 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:52 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 08:44 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 08:40 mongmong wrote:
MMA's statement is hard countered by Jessica.
It looks like the former coach Ryu won turned MMA's personal coach, and MMA was the one
responsible for paying Ryu won after he won GSL anaheim, but Ryu won only received a graphics card
worth $1000. So thats why Ryu won left slayers for woongjin Wait, you mean the team manager assigned a personal coach and then make him pay for it, while he does not have a chance to look for any or have any knowledge for sponsorship? Mind blown. Jessica should never ever manage any business again. when did i say the team manager assigned a personal coach? why are you making shit up? omfg ..... ok ill give a slighty more detailed explanation. MMA introduced coach Ryu won, who at the time was a close friend of MMA, to jessica. Jessica, MMA and Ryu met in person and coach Ryu was told by jessica that no salary would be paid by her to him since he is MMA's personal coach. Do you now understand??? It was MMA who introduced Ryu to jessica. It does not matter who introduce coach Ryu to whom. It's a matter of allowing your player to get a personal coach without any 1.) contract or 2.) make sure that he will get paid. Moreover, MMA's performance increase due to coach Ryu's coaching would still benefit the teams in many way, such as fame and team league performance. If the team was not willing to pay him, then she should not allow MMA to have personal coach since the beginning. The decision to him had one was already a big mistake. Now, I don't say that MMA was not wrong that he did not pay Coach Ryu. But it is just so amateurish from the Slayers management part to let this happen, instead of making sure that coach was rightfully compensated by the team because ,let's face it, the team benefits from coach Ryu coaching on MMA without holding any responsibility. Amateurish? There's countless instances in sports where athletes pay their own trainers while still being part of a team. True, but that is when athletes has regular salary that can make sure he would pay the coach. I doubt MMA could really personally hire coach Ryu with his regular salary (if there is any), so I would say there is more into this matter. But it was just so amateurish for me for a team not to hire a coach for your "best" player and make sure he does not have to worry about paying him. It just reeked that Jessica doesn't understand how to manage the team. True, and that holds true when the athlete pays a monthly salary to the coach. Apperantly MMA should've been paying a percentage of his winnings to Coach Ryu. Well, he did said that he spit his reward with Coach Ryu, while Jessica claimed the opposite. We don't know what is the "truth" in this case, so anything further from this is purely speculation because right now, there are two possible truths exist at the same time. No he didnt. Why do you think Coach Ryu left for woongjin? Think Just think because a consistent salary >>>> getting some of MMA's winnings.
+disappoinment
+ he wants his compensation to be real money, rather than
some random computer graphics card
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