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Zaqwert
United States411 Posts
She probably has just had a lot of emotional and mental issues and knew that by posting a youtube video before killing herself it would give her a ton of post death attention and celebrity and it looks like it worked. Kids have been bullied for tens of thousands of years, the recent moral panic and anti-bullying hysteria isn't going to help because that's not the real problem. There's an explosion of depression and mental illness in the modern world but it has nothing to do with bullying. | ||
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
On October 13 2012 05:19 Thehealbus wrote: Everything that happened was her fault, she constantly made poor decisions which led to the bullying, and she was unable to distance herself from the hate. She should have been apathetic to it instead of letting it get to her that much. I think the concept of cyber-bullying is silly in the first place, it's extremely easy to avoid and ignore, unless you purposely get yourself involved in it. Her parents should have raised her better to make better decisions and respond to harassment better. I don't think the harassers should be punished, high school is a harsh world, she put herself in these situations. so the bullying was okay due to her decisions/mistakes she made? that's like saying someone who got raped deserved it because she was hot and not being careful in a club which lead to someone spiking her drink and eventually raping her. distance herself from the hate? she tried, she moved through two different schools. but the hate followed her, what was she to do? how does she distance herself from a mob of people kicking the crap out of her? damn man, why don't you just go piss on her grave... | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On October 13 2012 05:06 Bobgrimly wrote: Simple rules for life. NEVER FLASH ONLINE. NEVER FLASH UNLESS YOU ARE HAPPY FOR THE WORLD TO SEE. Should be taught in schools as basic 101 internet and phone usage. Also as a side note.... don't be a whore. Respect relationships and demand that anyone you partner with does too. Don't think you are cool cheating on someone or helping someone cheat. You are just a whore. Her life could have been a lot easier and better (she wasn't ugly) if she hadn't been a bit of a whore. Its hard to sympathize with her when she did all that willingly. That's what started it all... she willingly fucked up her life. Maybe unknowingly cause she was a bimbo with no clue but that's like a moth to the flame. Maybe her parents should have taught her not to be a whore. I will drill the above lessons into any kids I ever have simply because then they can make their own choices. And its not like this is new ground. This has been the rule since phones started taking pictures or webcams became remotely common (the last ten years). DO NOT BE A WHORE. Sucks that kids are horrible. Don't give them easy reasons to hate you. Tell your kids! What a fucking joke. Don't be a whore? Excuse me, she wasn't in a relationship. The guy was. She owed nothing to the other side. If I'm hitting on a girl with a boyfriend and she sleeps with me - who's done worse? Me, the person who has cheated on no one, or the girl, who has also done the equal act of sleeping with someone but is committed not to do so. Ridiculous. Insinuating that flashing online somehow means it's thus available for everyone to see (which yes, it is, and that's a consequence) is deserved is ridiculous. Especially, because you know, it was illegal for him to do so. I don't know why I'm getting so riled by this topic - probably because I'm always on the super conservative end of discussions and all the "what happened to caring about other people instead of keeping your money" debates. The lack of sympathy is utterly appalling to me to someone who is a clear victim in this situation. On October 13 2012 05:23 Zaqwert wrote: I don't think bullying had anything to do with her suicide. She probably has just had a lot of emotional and mental issues and knew that by posting a youtube video before killing herself it would give her a ton of post death attention and celebrity and it looks like it worked. Kids have been bullied for tens of thousands of years, the recent moral panic and anti-bullying hysteria isn't going to help because that's not the real problem. There's an explosion of depression and mental illness in the modern world but it has nothing to do with bullying. Kids have been committing suicide for ages as well. It's just information spreads 30000x faster now, not to mention the fact images can be recorded and redistributed. | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
All in all, I think putting a face on a story like this can really cloud people's judgement about the issue, IMAGINE it was a different face: 15 year old white guy with the same problems/mistakes (posted his junk online, bad relationship, got bullied then suicide) This kid would get a lot less sympathy because all of a sudden its all "what a whimp, this kid should've manned the fuck up/not been such a dumb loser to make these mistakes". I think on the other hand, I'd still be consistent about the issue and treat it all the same (or similar enough). The bullying is bad, yes, but at the same time people have to learn to grow some skin regardless of gender/situation. It feels like, for the most part, people are giving this girl a free pass for somehow being "emotionally disturbed" when really she's just a teenager. | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
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YokaY
United States108 Posts
On October 13 2012 05:19 m1rk3 wrote: It only pains me to say that no one is actually going to do anything. There will be a bunch of people saying "The bullying needs to stop!" What does this achieve? Awareness, not really. Doubt bullies watch the news. Someone actually has to go to the source. Talking may be doing but it's not the kind of action that will "stop" bullying. Talking helps. Talking always helps. If it brings awareness to parents, or sways a few kids out of bullying because they can finally understand the victims perspective, then it has made a real difference. Of course action is important too, but talking and public discourse in general are more powerful than people give it credit for. | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
So if they (the people i hate) were literally telling me to kill myself, i would have a even stronger will to live, just to spite them. Sad story, she didn't deserve that. despite the mistakes she made. | ||
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Bobgrimly
New Zealand250 Posts
On October 13 2012 05:24 FabledIntegral wrote: What a fucking joke. Don't be a whore? Excuse me, she wasn't in a relationship. The guy was. She owed nothing to the other side. If I'm hitting on a girl with a boyfriend and she sleeps with me - who's done worse? Me, the person who has cheated on no one, or the girl, who has also done the equal act of sleeping with someone but is committed not to do so. Ridiculous. Insinuating that flashing online somehow means it's thus available for everyone to see (which yes, it is, and that's a consequence) is deserved is ridiculous. Especially, because you know, it was illegal for him to do so. You did worse knowingly convincing her to sleep with you. You are a horrible person. If you know she has a boyfriend you should tell her how you feel then let her choose but not be a fucking dick and try and convince her to cheat. Its people (whores) like yourself that make this world a worse place. Stop it. Just stop. Be straight up and honest if you like someone and let them choose. Then if they leave the person they are with you have every moral ground to stand on. But if you are just after a quick fuck and want to ruin relationships then FUCK YOU. People like you are the problem thinking you are innocent when you are causing horrible problems. Starts with relationships and then as you age you start ruining marriages that might have kids. Congratulations on justifying your actions because you weren't the one married so their fucked up kids because of the situation you create aren't your problem. JUST STOP BEING WHORES PLEASE! Grow up and grow some respect for relationships. It will make everything healthier and happier. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On October 13 2012 05:02 NEEDZMOAR wrote: Im not sure if I should laugh because of the imaturity, stupidity and the judgment int his post from some teenager who isnt fully grown up yet (a lot of people never gets pass the arrogant attitude that teenagers sport) Or cry because of the bullshit in this post... The part about mentally unwell makes me so angry with you that I would want to physically hurt you. I dont get it? Why are you angry with me? She IS mentally unwell/unstable or sick or w/e. Why are you being mad at me for stating that fact? She admit to drug, cutting, anxiety issues and claimed to be diagnosed with deep depression. Sure the stuff that happen to her is sad but can you truly admit that it wasnt HER fault? I understand that teenager are easily influenced by stuff but she Flash her boobs triggered her depression, anxiety and drugs. Then she hooked up with a guy who she already knew had a girlfriend and yet she just figures that she would sleep with him and nothing will happen. She probably hooked up with the guy due to her depression and was looking for comfort but even if the guy return his love for her and they become a couple, do you seriously think that the girlfriend that got dumped would stop there? The girlfriend would probably beat the living hell out of her even more and her life would be even more hell and she would be called the newest slut in school for stealing boyfriend. Her life does suck more then others and she probably got what she deserved for making the wrong choice but not to this extent. Even this amount of bullying is pretty horrendous. So are you saying that what I said about her being "mentally unwell" is not a fact after she admited to being diagnosed with depression, is suicidal, on drugs, cutting and anxiety disorder? I do not see what I said has been bullshit, please correct me where I am wrong. | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish. I kind of have to agree with this. Those cards and the video made her look like some attention whore to me =.= | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
This saddens me...suicides happens in the military also. Hazing and stress can make you think about it. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On October 13 2012 05:30 SheaR619 wrote: I dont get it? Why are you angry with me? She IS mentally unwell/unstable or sick or w/e. Why are you being mad at me for stating that fact? She admit to drug, cutting, anxiety issues and claimed to be diagnosed with deep depression. Sure the stuff that happen to her is sad but can you truly admit that it wasnt HER fault? I understand that teenager are easily influenced by stuff but she Flash her boobs triggered her depression, anxiety and drugs. Then she hooked up with a guy who she already knew had a girlfriend and yet she just figures that she would sleep with him and nothing will happen. She probably hooked up with the guy due to her depression and was looking for comfort but even if the guy return his love for her and they become a couple, do you seriously think that the girlfriend that got dumped would stop there? The girlfriend would probably beat the living hell out of her even more and her life would be even more hell and she would be called the newest slut in school for stealing boyfriend. Her life does suck more then others and she probably got what she deserved for making the wrong choice but not to this extent. Even this amount of bullying is pretty horrendous. So are you saying that what I said about her being "mentally unwell" is not a fact after she admited to being diagnosed with depression, is suicidal, on drugs, cutting and anxiety disorder? I do not see what I said has been bullshit, please correct me where I am wrong. Im mad at you because u talk of mentally unstable as an "execuse" as if it wasnt a valid reason for her ractions. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On October 13 2012 04:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hot damn it was worse than I thought based on this photo. This makes my school look like the happiest, most tolerant community on Earth in comparison. These kids need help. I still stand neutrally on Amanda's death however. What do you mean you stand neutrally? | ||
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dannystarcraft
United States179 Posts
On October 13 2012 05:23 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I dont consider myself a bully, I took a stand against injustice, me and my friends accomplished something no adults (or words for that matter) could ever accomplish, I stood up for those who needed it, I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy; can u say that u did the same thing? or were u one of those who sat there in silence while people were bullied an dmistreated? Im sorry, I cant stand that kind of apathy, I was one of those who was bullied (things got better as school went on though... so I am not complaining). And I didn't have a group of "friends" to help me go around and beat up all the bullies. I wasn't physically able to stop bullying (not saying I stayed silent about it though). What you described draws some parallels to "mob mentality" which I would consider to be... well bad. I'm glad you want to take a stand against injustice, and I am glad there are people like you to stick up for the little guys. The idea of what you did (preventing bullying) is great, but I think the "mobish" type of way that you went about it in this specific instance was wrong. | ||
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YokaY
United States108 Posts
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
What's even worse is the responses here, she didn't deserve it. Young people make stupid decisions, Hell I bet 95% of the people here who are over 25 recognise they made some really fucking stupid decisions in their teenage years. She was harassed so badly the only way out she could see was to kill herself. Imagine for a second that was your sister or daughter..... so sad. My thoughts go out to her family, they must be in pieces right now. | ||
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TheMooseHeed
United Kingdom535 Posts
On October 13 2012 05:05 FabledIntegral wrote: Have you entered the "real world"? Is that a joke? The "real world" as you put it has a lot of people that generally speaking are much better at minding their own business and not gossiping about everything. What "real world" do you live in where bullies are worse? It's generally accepted that bullying is at its worse in middle-high school (imo mostly middle school, only time I was ever bullied was ~2 years, and not severely thank god). Ok so maybe it isnt worse but in my experience the person who is most willing to be inconsiderate of other peoples feelings and be a dick generally can 1 up the 'nice' people. The stakes are much higher compared to school life where you have little real life things to worry about. The amount of times I have seen people bully others into getting something advantagous too themselves is unreal. The old British empire basically became a super power because they were massive bullies. On the topic of gossip when I worked at tk maxx during 6th form staff gossiped about each other maliciously all the time. I'm sure some people wept and complained about it and I recall someone leaving over it. Just in my experience anyway which I will admit is not much as I am only 20 | ||
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jaminski
England84 Posts
school was a bad place for me i got bullied alot but i had to grit it and bear it even tho i had no friends i was happy that way because of communities in the games i played sc / w3 / wow i always had friendly company when i needed / wanted it... schools are such a bad place for young people now days if people see you as an outsider or a bit strange from the norm ... you get shunned instantly its sad something like this has happened though as it sounds like it went on fora long time :[ | ||
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Kojak21
Canada1104 Posts
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