METRO VANCOUVER - The B.C. Coroners Service has confirmed that a preliminary investigation into the death of 15-year-old Amanda Todd shows she took her own life.
However, coroner Barb McLintock said Friday that the case will be long and complex. Investigators know how she died, but will not release that information.
"We have an extra responsibility when it's a child's death," she said, adding that once the coroner's report is complete, the case will go through a provincially mandated child death review that will look at factors including mental health, friends, harassment and cyberbullying.
Todd was found dead in a Port Coquitlam home on Wednesday, five weeks after she posted a heartbreaking video on YouTube detailing how she was harassed online and bullied.
McLintock said after the review is complete there may be recommendations made on a range of issues, including cyberbullying, though she noted that it would take time given how complicated it can be to deal with the Internet.
Meanwhile Friday, an outpouring of support for Todd's family and friends was posted on social media websites. One of the memorial pages on Facebook had more than 3,000 "likes" as of Friday morning.
"She is a beautiful young lady. I am in tears over this," wrote Jennifer Fincher, while many other Facebook users said they hoped she was with angels in heaven.
But not all the chatter was positive. Mike Mace, whose own Facebook page says he is a member of the Canadian Military, faced a flurry of shaming comments after he posted a negative comment mocking her death.
In the comment, he suggests that it's not the bully's fault that she showed her breasts and gave out her private information on the Internet.
"You should be ashamed of yourself," wrote Amber Garofano, while another woman, Ashley Soucy posted, "have a heart."
The tragedy has sparked much discussion online about cyber-bullying and what can be done to eradicate the problem or provide support for the victims.
The Vancouver Sun is joining in on that discussion. The Sun is hosting a day of dialogue on bullying at 1 p.m. and 4 p.m. on Facebook. Visit www.facebook.com/VancouverSun to join the talk.
In September, Amanda posted a video to YouTube entitled My Story: Struggling, bullying, suicide and self harm.
In it Amanda does not speak, but instead holds up to the camera pieces of paper on which she has printed her story, one phrase at a time. She documents a painful tale of being harassed through Facebook and shunned at school, leaving her feeling alone and suicidal.
Her final video She committed suicide shortly after the video (The video is a series of cards she wrote on and displayed in the video. she writes about her story of how she was bullied and such)
Sad story. The video is sad to watch. Hearing the way people treated her, and the fact that people went out of their way just to torment her.
junior high/high school was around 8-9 years ago. dont think ive seen kids/teenagers being this cruel... i suppose internet/social media has changed things up quite a bit. while it can be a place people come to vent/relax and escape from the world, they can be just as easily attacked and tormented through it as well.
Shit gets so much better after highschool, I remember some of my friends who I played Halo with got bullied, even in Grade 12 that turned around because most of us (Hockey team/Lacrosse team) stood up for them when shit hit the brick.
Tired of idiots going nowhere picking on the few who are simply different :D. I like diversity in people, why can't we all!
kids can be real assholes, wasn't this bad when I went to school, things seem to get much worse. Don't know why though, blaming social media and stuff is just an easy explanation, the real reasons are much deeper I guess.
Shit gets so much better after highschool, I remember some of my friends who I played Halo with got bullied, even in Grade 12 that turned around because most of us (Hockey team/Lacrosse team) stood up for them when shit hit the brick.
Tired of idiots going nowhere picking on the few who are simply different :D. I like diversity in people, why can't we all!
Funny how all this problems could have been solved by going to teachers or the police. I don't support Mike Mace but there is a grain of truth in his comment, that if she knew what she was getting into, maybe things would still be alright.
This is sad and all, but I just can't help but wince at journalists using facebook comments and "likes" to tell stories and describe situations. Also stating this: "not the bullie's fault she ... gave out her private information on the Internet." after having written personal (though trivial) information about this Mike character's military service.
the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
This was on /r/4chan, not sure if there was anything else. Too scared to go on real 4chan hehe
Hot damn it was worse than I thought based on this photo. This makes my school look like the happiest, most tolerant community on Earth in comparison. These kids need help.
I still stand neutrally on Amanda's death however.
She made so many damn mistakes. Flashed random people online, slept with a guy who had a girlfriend (granted he was at fault there too) and then lied to protect him (srsly?). Granted, the bullying was undeserved, and I feel sorry for her for that, but it's really hard to sympathize with her when she just continued to make the same mistakes and then was stupid enough to kill herself.
*Sigh
We live in a world where people are way too fucked up, and too many people are okay with it/ignore it. We're being killed by apathy.
On October 13 2012 04:10 AngryMag wrote: kids can be real assholes, wasn't this bad when I went to school, things seem to get much worse. Don't know why though, blaming social media and stuff is just an easy explanation, the real reasons are much deeper I guess.
I knew a girl who got thrown in front of a bus (she wasn't hit, but it was close), and another guy who was thrown out a 2nd story window, a girl who threw a friends only party (pre-skins era) in a very large expensive house, over 200 people turned up, someone drove through her electric gates, people wrecked the house and a guy I knew killed a very expensive koi carp, one of my friends broke a metal crutch over a guys head, girls systematically bullied a girl to suicide (pre social media) and another died from anorexia under similar circumstances.
Those are just the things that pop into my head immediately, there are tonnes of others. Kids have always been assholes and will continue to be assholes, thankfully most of them grow out of it.
This girl was just unfortunate to not realize that there are methods to deal with people like this, and that her self esteem shouldn't be touched by his actions.
As a teenager you don't think that though, and unfortunately you are somewhat stuck and your friends / peers will all be especially judgmental.
Once you get out the other end you realize its not the end of the world, when you're in though that's not the case, there's not much that can be done about it really, some kids will commit suicide because they're too inexperienced to know alternatives.
junior high/high school was around 8-9 years ago. dont think ive seen kids/teenagers being this cruel... i suppose internet/social media has changed things up quite a bit. while it can be a place people come to vent/relax and escape from the world, they can be just as easily attacked and tormented through it as well.
Yes, it was just as bad, if not worse, 8-9 years ago. I dropped out because of it, a lot later than I should have. But I will never, ever forgive. Each school/region may be different, but here in Abbotsford no one really gives a shit about what goes on at school as long as the money keeps flowing.
I would rather be alone, and face the consequences of an entirely solitary and short life, than have to step foot into a school even for a moment. I cannot comment on the girl or the actions she may have done to provoke this, but in my time simply not talking was enough for daily harassment.
Being jumped by guys with rusty switchblades, having people attempting to throw me off mountains in field trips, and other encounters are all delightful memories I have with me.
I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
No matter how many mistakes she made nothing can ever justify extortion of a kid. By the time she hooked up with that guy she was probably completely messed up already.
Ok. I just watched the video and those teenagers were really awful (her "boyfriend" and 15 others) But some things were pretty confusing (These are all my opinions) Flashing yourself to public strangers on webcam - ? I knew not to do that when I was 6 years old. I even learned it in Grade 1 that I should not accept candies from strangers, should not let strangers touch me in "private" part, and don't show the part. Deactivating social network- For a fresh new start. Why didn't she deactivate all of her social networking site, or even create a new profile? I mean, if you get offended easily on the facebook, best option is not to visit that? Seeking help eariler- I mean, it seems this situation has been going for awhile ( 3 different school as far as I remember). I guess she decided getting aids from people when she had tried her first suicide attempt was her best option instead of getting one when she had to move in the first place Bleach incident- Ok. I wonder how students in the school found out that Amanda drank bleach... Did she really tell others about that? Pretty interesting
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
Man, stupid or not, she shouldn't be bullied by everyone like that, but that's high school mentality, gang mentality where you're nothing before proving yourself and you're beaten up and remembered forever as a bad person when you do something they find weird or disrespectful to the respected, or when you're different (gay, ugly or fat, mostly). About being an attention whore : So what? That's very common in high school and that's not so bad of a thing.
EDIT : ''being a hoe'' That's only a bad thing culturally, does it hurt anyone? You're a horrible person for saying that.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
^ This.
She did alot of stupid shit and I guess you can say she kinda got what she deserved but she wasnt mentally well after that boob flash which triggered everything. I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider. Either way, it quiet sad to see that she had to endure such hardship and no one deserve such but it sadly is all trigger by her action.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Such a stupid and ignorant thing to say. No, despite what many idiots may say, it's not necessarily selfish to end your own life when you're experiencing unbearable pain and loneliness 24/7. I hate this mentality and it consists of merely idiotic victim blaming.
Really? You're calling her selfish? Did you read up on her story?
Anyone who can call someone this depressed as someone who is selfish because they are a friggin' middle schooler is unable to cope with immense pain and [cyber]bullying regardless of where they move, not to mention a cyberstalker in possession of child pornography, is an idiot.
No, she was not selfish.
I'm utterly amazed at all the people in this thread basically justifying the acts or even stating that "well you don't have to use social media" (because you know it isn't fucking INGRAINED in society now. It's hardly different than posting the damn picture of her on a poster at school. You can't escape social media if social media wants to focus on you).
A shame really that all this happened because of one mistake. High School is brutal, thats were you separate your real friends from the ones that wont watch your back and subsequently dont talk to after graduation. I guess she was unlucky or her "friends" were really shitty and backed off as soon as they heard this.
But whoever went around stalking her is really even worst picking on a high school girl like this.
I thought I've been through shit in highschool. This girl literally had it 1000 times worst.
Seriously, when you're that young, you're so easily influenced and will do A LOT stupid things. I wouldn't call what she did "uncommon", I know a lot of girls who found themselves in similar situations. But sadly, she paid for it in the most consequential way.
Such a shame, the kids bullying her feeds on drama and a "mob mentality". I swelled with anger when I saw that she moved away multiple times only to be continually harassed, like seriously WTF? Such a fucking shame.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
what the post above me said.. You should fucking respect her, if u consider suicide to be selfish, you have NO idea about pain, panic and depression...
if anything, its selfish of people close to her, not to find out how much she was hurting before it was too late. but thats not right to say either...
On October 13 2012 04:44 Butterednuts wrote: Funny thing if this story was about how a girl was bullied normally, not through Internet, it would get almost zero public attention.
So in what ways are you helping out by shining lights in cases where people get bulled in real life?
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
what the post above me said.. You should fucking respect her, if u consider suicide to be selfish, you have NO idea about pain, panic and depression...
if anything, its selfish of people close to her, not to find out how much she was hurting before it was too late. but thats not right to say either...
She changed schools and found a new group of friends in an effort to leave behind the bullies....
Soon after, the bullying started again and she began to cut herself. Amanda moved to yet another school, where, after a boy began flirting with her, a troupe of girls from her first school came and beat her up. "Kids filmed it," she writes. "I was all alone and left on the ground."
That's the sickest part imo. Even after she changed school twice kids from her first school still didn't give her a break.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
How does one become so childish as to write something like this in this situation? Especially the last part, you showed how much of a halfwit you really are.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
....You disgust me.
Uh... so you and your friends hated bullies, and you're solution was to "bully the bullies"? And then you felt good about it. And now you're mad at people judging her without knowing her situation in full, yet you feel fine to judge allhailthedead's comments without knowing him in full. Do you see any inconsistency with what you're posting?
On topic, I think it's heartbreaking that she thought that suicide was the best option. You would think that her previous actions would have had people close to her reach out and try to help.
Well this just sucks.. what kind of people would be so mean to someone for such a DUMB reason. It's not like she tortured a kitten what the fuck. This is more than bullying this is fucking harassment. She should have gone to the police or something.
;( meh
Eh lol @ some people. you should beat someone for sleeping around and/or flashing. seriously lol
God damn it shows how high school is rough as hell.
Parents have such a hard job. You try to control your kids so they don't ruin teir reputation so they don't have bad self confidence or a fucked up life.
But fucking internet and high school are nearly uncontrollable.
Those who bullied her on facebook deserve punishment and im pretty sure it is illegal. What the hell? Where is it okay to say things like this on facebook or in high school? Not in my high school.god damn
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
....You disgust me.
Uh... so you and your friends hated bullies, and you're solution was to "bully the bullies"? And then you felt good about it. And now you're mad at people judging her without knowing her situation in full, yet you feel fine to judge allhailthedead's comments without knowing him in full. Do you see any inconsistency with what you're posting?
On topic, I think it's heartbreaking that she thought that suicide was the best option. You would think that her previous actions would have had people close to her reach out and try to help.
There is definitely a difference. For example, I once was witnessing a bully constantly pick on a mentally handicapped kid that kept yelling at him "leave me alone." The bully wouldn't leave him alone. I walked up to the bully, shoved him against the locker, picked him up off the ground, and told him that if I ever saw him do that again I would beat the shit out of him. It felt good, I did not feel like a bully, and I have no regrets. In fact, I'm glad I did it.
You can call it brutal all you like but if she was 26 instead of 16 nobody would give a fuck. She messed up and killed herself. Sad but from the information I've seen not exactly shocking.
I can't get over how unbelievably critical people in this thread are about her sleeping with a guy in a relationship.
If you deserve to die for railing a chick who was a boyfriend (especially the meaningless kind you have when your 16 effing years old) I feel like I wouldn't be the only one posting from 6 feet under. It's also crazy how little heat the dude is catching for seducing a broken emo chick like that then totally railroading her (no pun intended) with the broad he's dating. That's dirty.
Guess its just old fashioned M/F double standards. Sometimes we get a good laugh of one of the boys gets lucky with a broad dating some loser. It's not the classiest move but that stuff happens. If a picture of my junk ever went viral however, I'd barely be able to contain myself Id be so excited.
In conclusion I guess all I wanna say is being a dude is pretty sweet. Cherish your penis.
Coming from a guy I could never fully understand her perspective but I see bullying as just a fact of life, if she couldnt handle school bullying she would have been hard pressed to handle the real world which is full of even worse bullies.
I am however angered that she wasnt given the tools to deal with bullying from her parents and teachers etc
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Such a stupid and ignorant thing to say. No, despite what many idiots may say, it's not necessarily selfish to end your own life when you're experiencing unbearable pain and loneliness 24/7. I hate this mentality and it consists of merely idiotic victim blaming.
Really? You're calling her selfish? Did you read up on her story?
Anyone who can call someone this depressed as someone who is selfish because they are a friggin' middle schooler is unable to cope with immense pain and [cyber]bullying regardless of where they move, not to mention a cyberstalker in possession of child pornography, is an idiot.
No, she was not selfish.
I'm utterly amazed at all the people in this thread basically justifying the acts or even stating that "well you don't have to use social media" (because you know it isn't fucking INGRAINED in society now. It's hardly different than posting the damn picture of her on a poster at school. You can't escape social media if social media wants to focus on you).
As long as you're leaving behind people who love and care about you, yes it is selfish. You don't think that her parents will blame themselves for this for the rest of their lives? I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not blaming her for the "victim" part of her death, where she was relentlessly bullied, I'm blaming her for the part where she ended her life and hurt all the people that did care about her.
First of all, wasn't she 15? That's not middle school, that's high school. She was put into some pretty unfortunate situations because of some mistakes she made when she was younger, but I have to feel like there was a breakdown in her communication with her parents and the authorities because both bullying (cyber or otherwise) and child pornography are taken extremely seriously in the U.S. I understand it doesn't help her cause with her peers if she calls in the cavalry on them and this creeper on the internet, but after a few kids get expelled for telling her to kill herself, they'll get the message.
From the pictures I've seen of her, she looks pretty. I don't know what her grades were like, so I can't comment on her intelligence, but aside from her boobs being out for the world to see, what grounds did these kids have to bully her? Based on my personal knowledge of being bullied, the worst part about it is that the bullies make you feel like you are inadequate or a lesser person, usually based on appearance but sometimes behavior/lifestyle choices. I understand teenagers aren't the most mentally stable individuals, but it sounds like at any point she could have stepped back and realized that these remarks weren't based in reality and that the kids were just looking for someone to bully.
And I don't know about the social media part. If you have no interest in engaging with your school anyways (because they are so hostile) there isn't really a point in having social media as a high schooler. They can continue to post about her, but I would be surprised if they did if she wasn't reading it. More likely, she was addicted to social media like every other teenager in America, and as a result was constantly exposed to the bullying all the time, which would drive anybody crazy.
I don't know...it's tragic when things like this happen and unfortunate that nothing will likely happen to the kids that caused this (although if they catch him, the cybercreeper will be in trouble), but I can't really muster any respect for her when this was her solution.
On October 13 2012 04:59 Probe1 wrote: You can call it brutal all you like but if she was 26 instead of 16 nobody would give a fuck. She messed up and killed herself. Sad but from the information I've seen not exactly shocking.
If she was ugly/fat or male, we also wouldn't care.
But disregarding that, I believe the newsworthy stuff about Amanda's suicide is the social networking aspect of it.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
^ This.
She did alot of stupid shit and I guess you can say she kinda got what she deserved but she wasnt mentally well after that boob flash which triggered everything. I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider. Either way, it quiet sad to see that she had to endure such hardship and no one deserve such but it sadly is all trigger by her action.
Im not sure if I should laugh because of the imaturity, stupidity and the judgment int his post from some teenager who isnt fully grown up yet (a lot of people never gets pass the arrogant attitude that teenagers sport) Or cry because of the bullshit in this post... The part about mentally unwell makes me so angry with you that I would want to physically hurt you.
On October 13 2012 04:59 Probe1 wrote: You can call it brutal all you like but if she was 26 instead of 16 nobody would give a fuck. She messed up and killed herself. Sad but from the information I've seen not exactly shocking.
i would give a fuck, and so should you. grow up, please
On October 13 2012 05:01 TheMooseHeed wrote: Coming from a guy I could never fully understand her perspective but I see bullying as just a fact of life, if she couldnt handle school bullying she would have been hard pressed to handle the real world which is full of even worse bullies.
I am however angered that she wasnt given the tools to deal with bullying from her parents and teachers etc
System let her down
Have you entered the "real world"? Is that a joke? The "real world" as you put it has a lot of people that generally speaking are much better at minding their own business and not gossiping about everything. What "real world" do you live in where bullies are worse? It's generally accepted that bullying is at its worse in middle-high school (imo mostly middle school, only time I was ever bullied was ~2 years, and not severely thank god).
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
....You disgust me.
Uh... so you and your friends hated bullies, and you're solution was to "bully the bullies"? And then you felt good about it. And now you're mad at people judging her without knowing her situation in full, yet you feel fine to judge allhailthedead's comments without knowing him in full. Do you see any inconsistency with what you're posting?
On topic, I think it's heartbreaking that she thought that suicide was the best option. You would think that her previous actions would have had people close to her reach out and try to help.
There is definitely a difference. For example, I once was witnessing a bully constantly pick on a mentally handicapped kid that kept yelling at him "leave me alone." The bully wouldn't leave him alone. I walked up to the bully, shoved him against the locker, picked him up off the ground, and told him that if I ever saw him do that again I would beat the shit out of him. It felt good, I did not feel like a bully, and I have no regrets. In fact, I'm glad I did it.
There's also a difference between your stories.
In your story you're intervening between a bully and his target. When he refused to back down, you increased measures until he understood you were serious. In my opinion that's a justifiable action, and one to be proud of.
However in the other story, it sounded like one day a group of individuals decided that they were going to go around school and beat up all the bullies. To me this seems stupid and just as wrong as the actions a bully takes.
Simple rules for life. NEVER FLASH ONLINE. NEVER FLASH UNLESS YOU ARE HAPPY FOR THE WORLD TO SEE. Should be taught in schools as basic 101 internet and phone usage.
Also as a side note.... don't be a whore. Respect relationships and demand that anyone you partner with does too. Don't think you are cool cheating on someone or helping someone cheat. You are just a whore.
Her life could have been a lot easier and better (she wasn't ugly) if she hadn't been a bit of a whore. Its hard to sympathize with her when she did all that willingly. That's what started it all... she willingly fucked up her life. Maybe unknowingly cause she was a bimbo with no clue but that's like a moth to the flame. Maybe her parents should have taught her not to be a whore.
I will drill the above lessons into any kids I ever have simply because then they can make their own choices. And its not like this is new ground. This has been the rule since phones started taking pictures or webcams became remotely common (the last ten years).
DO NOT BE A WHORE. Sucks that kids are horrible. Don't give them easy reasons to hate you. Tell your kids!
Bullying in highschool is nothign new. Just because you didn´t notice in your highschools doesn´t mean it didn´t happen. Try to remember what took on your interest in highschool. For many people making and meeting friends and getting closer to the other gender or generally being cool takes most of their attention, so they don´t notice or don´t care for things that happen to people that are not their friends.
The only thing that changed was how information about this spreads around the media nowadays. Apparently bullying gets worse and worse every year yet I struggle to see it getting worse from the last case I saw.
Edit: By that I mean people are assholes. Not everyone is, but 1 is enough. If you know 100 people and just 1 is an asshole that hates you, that´s enough to make your life considerably worse.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
....You disgust me.
Uh... so you and your friends hated bullies, and you're solution was to "bully the bullies"? And then you felt good about it. And now you're mad at people judging her without knowing her situation in full, yet you feel fine to judge allhailthedead's comments without knowing him in full. Do you see any inconsistency with what you're posting?
On topic, I think it's heartbreaking that she thought that suicide was the best option. You would think that her previous actions would have had people close to her reach out and try to help.
I was 14-15 years old, it was 6-7 years ago, get over it.
And Yes, beating the hell out of those assholes was the best thing that could happen in a altruistic viewpoint, as far as I know, they never touched anyone again and actually changed their behavior towards teachers and other kids and all I got was a "serious talk".
all in all, yes im glad I stood up for people who needed it instead of just passively act as if nothing ever happend, can you say the same thing about urself? I sure hope ure not one of those people who just sit there in silence and watch (or just as worse, try not to watch) when people are getting mistreated.
I judge allhalthedeads. I consider myself have enough rights to do so because only someone who isnt fully developed when it comes to empathy and being able to put themselves in others shoes, would write such an insensitive and immature post here, where it just does not belong.
Yes, to fully break the inconsistency I should put myself in allhailthedeads shoes, which I am, and the shoes are ugly, thus why my post was written the way I did write it.
I see one guy trying to find inconsistency where there is none.
Ok, she made mistakes , but other things made me go insanely mad. Where the fuck were the parents ? Even if she didnt press charges, they should have. Also, for fuck sake, if I have a daughter and some psycho blackmails her or make her feel embarassed in front of a large crowd, I would fucking send the guy to the nearest hospital and I don't care if he is 20 years younger than me. Also, didn't she have friends before even the pics started spreading? My country is not the most economically developed, however our friendship is very solid. Even if a friend of ours makes a mistake, we would accept it,forgive her and help her move on.And if someone did shit like that to her I honestly tell that he is surely going to hospital and it will be unknown if he is not even left crippled.
As for the girl, sad.The parents should have had a bigger role than just moving somewhere else imo.
On October 13 2012 05:06 Bobgrimly wrote: Simple rules for life. NEVER FLASH ONLINE. NEVER FLASH UNLESS YOU ARE HAPPY FOR THE WORLD TO SEE. Should be taught in schools as basic 101 internet and phone usage.
Also as a side note.... don't be a whore. Respect relationships and demand that anyone you partner with does too. Don't think you are cool cheating on someone or helping someone cheat. You are just a whore.
Her life could have been a lot easier and better (she wasn't ugly) if she hadn't been a bit of a whore. Its hard to sympathize with her when she did all that willingly. That's what started it all... she willingly fucked up her life. Maybe unknowingly cause she was a bimbo with no clue but that's like a moth to the flame. Maybe her parents should have taught her not to be a whore.
I will drill the above lessons into any kids I ever have simply because then they can make their own choices. And its not like this is new ground. This has been the rule since phones started taking pictures or webcams became remotely common (the last ten years).
DO NOT BE A WHORE. Sucks that kids are horrible. Don't give them easy reasons to hate you. Tell your kids!
you realize theres a lot of girls (some guys too i bet) that have done what she's done. but they don't end up getting extorted, stalked. and beaten up by mobs of people
i suppose i shouldn't have bothered replying to your post, since it seems somewhat troll'ish
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
....You disgust me.
Uh... so you and your friends hated bullies, and you're solution was to "bully the bullies"? And then you felt good about it. And now you're mad at people judging her without knowing her situation in full, yet you feel fine to judge allhailthedead's comments without knowing him in full. Do you see any inconsistency with what you're posting?
On topic, I think it's heartbreaking that she thought that suicide was the best option. You would think that her previous actions would have had people close to her reach out and try to help.
There is definitely a difference. For example, I once was witnessing a bully constantly pick on a mentally handicapped kid that kept yelling at him "leave me alone." The bully wouldn't leave him alone. I walked up to the bully, shoved him against the locker, picked him up off the ground, and told him that if I ever saw him do that again I would beat the shit out of him. It felt good, I did not feel like a bully, and I have no regrets. In fact, I'm glad I did it.
There's also a difference between your stories.
In your story you're intervening between a bully and his target. When he refused to back down, you increased measures until he understood you were serious. In my opinion that's a justifiable action, and one to be proud of.
However in the other story, it sounded like one day a group of individuals decided that they were going to go around school and beat up all the bullies. To me this seems stupid and just as wrong as the actions a bully takes.
Agreed. There is a definite difference between the two stories.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
Honestly, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. So now you are a bully. Great job. Hope you are proud.
On topic. It is sad that things come to this. I remember anything bad seeming disproportionately awful in middle/high school. It is important to know how to deal with mistakes once you make them (because we all do). I just am so sad that she took her life...
It only pains me to say that no one is actually going to do anything. There will be a bunch of people saying "The bullying needs to stop!" What does this achieve? Awareness, not really. Doubt bullies watch the news. Someone actually has to go to the source. Talking may be doing but it's not the kind of action that will "stop" bullying.
Everything that happened was her fault, she constantly made poor decisions which led to the bullying, and she was unable to distance herself from the hate. She should have been apathetic to it instead of letting it get to her that much. I think the concept of cyber-bullying is silly in the first place, it's extremely easy to avoid and ignore, unless you purposely get yourself involved in it.
Her parents should have raised her better to make better decisions and respond to harassment better.
I don't think the harassers should be punished, high school is a harsh world, she put herself in these situations.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Such a stupid and ignorant thing to say. No, despite what many idiots may say, it's not necessarily selfish to end your own life when you're experiencing unbearable pain and loneliness 24/7. I hate this mentality and it consists of merely idiotic victim blaming.
Really? You're calling her selfish? Did you read up on her story?
Anyone who can call someone this depressed as someone who is selfish because they are a friggin' middle schooler is unable to cope with immense pain and [cyber]bullying regardless of where they move, not to mention a cyberstalker in possession of child pornography, is an idiot.
No, she was not selfish.
I'm utterly amazed at all the people in this thread basically justifying the acts or even stating that "well you don't have to use social media" (because you know it isn't fucking INGRAINED in society now. It's hardly different than posting the damn picture of her on a poster at school. You can't escape social media if social media wants to focus on you).
As long as you're leaving behind people who love and care about you, yes it is selfish. You don't think that her parents will blame themselves for this for the rest of their lives? I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not blaming her for the "victim" part of her death, where she was relentlessly bullied, I'm blaming her for the part where she ended her life and hurt all the people that did care about her.
First of all, wasn't she 15? That's not middle school, that's high school. She was put into some pretty unfortunate situations because of some mistakes she made when she was younger, but I have to feel like there was a breakdown in her communication with her parents and the authorities because both bullying (cyber or otherwise) and child pornography are taken extremely seriously in the U.S. I understand it doesn't help her cause with her peers if she calls in the cavalry on them and this creeper on the internet, but after a few kids get expelled for telling her to kill herself, they'll get the message.
From the pictures I've seen of her, she looks pretty. I don't know what her grades were like, so I can't comment on her intelligence, but aside from her boobs being out for the world to see, what grounds did these kids have to bully her? Based on my personal knowledge of being bullied, the worst part about it is that the bullies make you feel like you are inadequate or a lesser person, usually based on appearance but sometimes behavior/lifestyle choices. I understand teenagers aren't the most mentally stable individuals, but it sounds like at any point she could have stepped back and realized that these remarks weren't based in reality and that the kids were just looking for someone to bully.
And I don't know about the social media part. If you have no interest in engaging with your school anyways (because they are so hostile) there isn't really a point in having social media as a high schooler. They can continue to post about her, but I would be surprised if they did if she wasn't reading it. More likely, she was addicted to social media like every other teenager in America, and as a result was constantly exposed to the bullying all the time, which would drive anybody crazy.
I don't know...it's tragic when things like this happen and unfortunate that nothing will likely happen to the kids that caused this (although if they catch him, the cybercreeper will be in trouble), but I can't really muster any respect for her when this was her solution.
Except that doesn't mean it's selfish and it's a terrible view to hold that needs to be changed in society. Being unable to bear or cope with pain suddenly implies that one has a complete disregard for others? You're blaming with someone's inability to cope with a completely depressed and chemically imbalanced life alongside physical beatings and relentless harassment? You're blaming her because god forbid a fucking fifteen year old is unable to withstand every part of her private being blasted to everyone everywhere she goes? That's cruel and heartless - and this is coming from a libertarian.
And how you're trying to rationalize "why didn't she do this instead?" is wholly irrelevant. I mean, don't you think her parents knew, considering they moved more than once for her? Don't her parents have a duty to intervene or at least discover what is the root cause of the pain of their child? All the crap you posted is just so damn irrelevant - what grounds did they have for bullying her? Who cares?! She got bullied anyways! Why are you even asking?!
To continue, people's suggestions to just simply "look back" and blah blah blah ignore it or somehow to realize it isn't significant is even more dumbfounding than what was previously addressed. You're telling someone to act in a logically and rational manner when they're being consistently stalked, harassed, physically beaten, and told they are worthless. And they can't avoid the situation. No, she could not have stepped back at any point you speak of. She was isolated, without friends, and hated by people who apparently had a will to make it known.
Lastly, besides the fact social media is now a way of life, regardless of what you want to think, it doesn't detract from the fact it was the means to consistently harass her. She could completely remove herself from it, but it doesn't mean that anyone else will and consequently use it as a means to make her life even worse. It's not like what happens on the social media stays there - it permeates, quite rapidly, into discussions (and consequently actions) at her school. Not to mention it was a full on display of her nude on the social media being distributed to people.
If you can't muster respect for these people then quite simply you're an asshat. Calling people selfish for suicide is utterly ridiculous. Yes, they are going to cause an immense amount of pain on other people. But implying that means they should have to burden themselves with it as to not harm someone else is ridiculous.
Put quite simply from suicide.org
Suicide is a desperate act by someone who is in intense pain and wants their pain to stop. That is a HUMAN response to extreme pain, not a selfish one. And over 90 percent of the people who die by suicide have a mental illness at the time of their death, so they are not thinking clearly.
Saying that a person who had severe clinical depression, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, PTSD, or a similar illness was engaging in an act of selfishness when they died by suicide – even though their thought process, mood, and judgment were greatly affected by their mental illness – is not only inaccurate, but downright cruel, to both the suicide angel and the suicide survivors.
And those who use the word “selfish” are merely helping perpetuate the STIGMA associated with suicide.
A suicidal action that manifests from intense, excruciating, unbearable pain associated with a serious mental illness has nothing to do with selfishness. Period.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
....You disgust me.
Uh... so you and your friends hated bullies, and you're solution was to "bully the bullies"? And then you felt good about it. And now you're mad at people judging her without knowing her situation in full, yet you feel fine to judge allhailthedead's comments without knowing him in full. Do you see any inconsistency with what you're posting?
On topic, I think it's heartbreaking that she thought that suicide was the best option. You would think that her previous actions would have had people close to her reach out and try to help.
There is definitely a difference. For example, I once was witnessing a bully constantly pick on a mentally handicapped kid that kept yelling at him "leave me alone." The bully wouldn't leave him alone. I walked up to the bully, shoved him against the locker, picked him up off the ground, and told him that if I ever saw him do that again I would beat the shit out of him. It felt good, I did not feel like a bully, and I have no regrets. In fact, I'm glad I did it.
There's also a difference between your stories.
In your story you're intervening between a bully and his target. When he refused to back down, you increased measures until he understood you were serious. In my opinion that's a justifiable action, and one to be proud of.
However in the other story, it sounded like one day a group of individuals decided that they were going to go around school and beat up all the bullies. To me this seems stupid and just as wrong as the actions a bully takes.
Agreed. There is a definite difference between the two stories.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
Honestly, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. So now you are a bully. Great job. Hope you are proud.
On topic. It is sad that things come to this. I remember anything bad seeming disproportionately awful in middle/high school. It is important to know how to deal with mistakes once you make them (because we all do). I just am so sad that she took her life...
I dont consider myself a bully, I took a stand against injustice, me and my friends accomplished something no adults (or words for that matter) could ever accomplish, I stood up for those who needed it, I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy; can u say that u did the same thing? or were u one of those who sat there in silence while people were bullied an dmistreated? Im sorry, I cant stand that kind of apathy,
I don't think bullying had anything to do with her suicide.
She probably has just had a lot of emotional and mental issues and knew that by posting a youtube video before killing herself it would give her a ton of post death attention and celebrity and it looks like it worked.
Kids have been bullied for tens of thousands of years, the recent moral panic and anti-bullying hysteria isn't going to help because that's not the real problem.
There's an explosion of depression and mental illness in the modern world but it has nothing to do with bullying.
On October 13 2012 05:19 Thehealbus wrote: Everything that happened was her fault, she constantly made poor decisions which led to the bullying, and she was unable to distance herself from the hate. She should have been apathetic to it instead of letting it get to her that much. I think the concept of cyber-bullying is silly in the first place, it's extremely easy to avoid and ignore, unless you purposely get yourself involved in it.
Her parents should have raised her better to make better decisions and respond to harassment better.
I don't think the harassers should be punished, high school is a harsh world, she put herself in these situations.
so the bullying was okay due to her decisions/mistakes she made? that's like saying someone who got raped deserved it because she was hot and not being careful in a club which lead to someone spiking her drink and eventually raping her.
distance herself from the hate? she tried, she moved through two different schools. but the hate followed her, what was she to do? how does she distance herself from a mob of people kicking the crap out of her?
damn man, why don't you just go piss on her grave...
On October 13 2012 05:06 Bobgrimly wrote: Simple rules for life. NEVER FLASH ONLINE. NEVER FLASH UNLESS YOU ARE HAPPY FOR THE WORLD TO SEE. Should be taught in schools as basic 101 internet and phone usage.
Also as a side note.... don't be a whore. Respect relationships and demand that anyone you partner with does too. Don't think you are cool cheating on someone or helping someone cheat. You are just a whore.
Her life could have been a lot easier and better (she wasn't ugly) if she hadn't been a bit of a whore. Its hard to sympathize with her when she did all that willingly. That's what started it all... she willingly fucked up her life. Maybe unknowingly cause she was a bimbo with no clue but that's like a moth to the flame. Maybe her parents should have taught her not to be a whore.
I will drill the above lessons into any kids I ever have simply because then they can make their own choices. And its not like this is new ground. This has been the rule since phones started taking pictures or webcams became remotely common (the last ten years).
DO NOT BE A WHORE. Sucks that kids are horrible. Don't give them easy reasons to hate you. Tell your kids!
What a fucking joke. Don't be a whore? Excuse me, she wasn't in a relationship. The guy was. She owed nothing to the other side. If I'm hitting on a girl with a boyfriend and she sleeps with me - who's done worse? Me, the person who has cheated on no one, or the girl, who has also done the equal act of sleeping with someone but is committed not to do so.
Ridiculous. Insinuating that flashing online somehow means it's thus available for everyone to see (which yes, it is, and that's a consequence) is deserved is ridiculous. Especially, because you know, it was illegal for him to do so.
I don't know why I'm getting so riled by this topic - probably because I'm always on the super conservative end of discussions and all the "what happened to caring about other people instead of keeping your money" debates. The lack of sympathy is utterly appalling to me to someone who is a clear victim in this situation.
On October 13 2012 05:23 Zaqwert wrote: I don't think bullying had anything to do with her suicide.
She probably has just had a lot of emotional and mental issues and knew that by posting a youtube video before killing herself it would give her a ton of post death attention and celebrity and it looks like it worked.
Kids have been bullied for tens of thousands of years, the recent moral panic and anti-bullying hysteria isn't going to help because that's not the real problem.
There's an explosion of depression and mental illness in the modern world but it has nothing to do with bullying.
Kids have been committing suicide for ages as well. It's just information spreads 30000x faster now, not to mention the fact images can be recorded and redistributed.
I think it's an insult to her and her family for a bunch of journalists to run around pretending to be police investigators and talk about why she killed herself, as if they have a fucking clue. It's a tragedy, leave it at that.
Normally I dont really sympathize when it comes to stupid people doing stupid things (come on, lets be a bit honest), but then I also remember that I too have a sister at her age that might end up making the same mistakes this girl did one day despite what anyone else tries to teach her (without being completely invasive). On the one hand, I'd probably still criticize my sister as hard, if not harder, than anyone else who gets into these types of situations-- but the sting from doing so would definitely be there this time.
All in all, I think putting a face on a story like this can really cloud people's judgement about the issue, IMAGINE it was a different face:
15 year old white guy with the same problems/mistakes (posted his junk online, bad relationship, got bullied then suicide)
This kid would get a lot less sympathy because all of a sudden its all "what a whimp, this kid should've manned the fuck up/not been such a dumb loser to make these mistakes". I think on the other hand, I'd still be consistent about the issue and treat it all the same (or similar enough). The bullying is bad, yes, but at the same time people have to learn to grow some skin regardless of gender/situation. It feels like, for the most part, people are giving this girl a free pass for somehow being "emotionally disturbed" when really she's just a teenager.
wow. people in this thread. "her own faul" and calling her a whore. God..whats more sad then her story is the people here actually pretending to be decent humen beings.
On October 13 2012 05:19 m1rk3 wrote: It only pains me to say that no one is actually going to do anything. There will be a bunch of people saying "The bullying needs to stop!" What does this achieve? Awareness, not really. Doubt bullies watch the news. Someone actually has to go to the source. Talking may be doing but it's not the kind of action that will "stop" bullying.
Talking helps. Talking always helps. If it brings awareness to parents, or sways a few kids out of bullying because they can finally understand the victims perspective, then it has made a real difference. Of course action is important too, but talking and public discourse in general are more powerful than people give it credit for.
I guess i really don't get why she killed herself. Maybe its just the difference in our personalities. If people were treating me like that i would absolutely hate them.
So if they (the people i hate) were literally telling me to kill myself, i would have a even stronger will to live, just to spite them.
Sad story, she didn't deserve that. despite the mistakes she made.
What a fucking joke. Don't be a whore? Excuse me, she wasn't in a relationship. The guy was. She owed nothing to the other side. If I'm hitting on a girl with a boyfriend and she sleeps with me - who's done worse? Me, the person who has cheated on no one, or the girl, who has also done the equal act of sleeping with someone but is committed not to do so.
Ridiculous. Insinuating that flashing online somehow means it's thus available for everyone to see (which yes, it is, and that's a consequence) is deserved is ridiculous. Especially, because you know, it was illegal for him to do so.
You did worse knowingly convincing her to sleep with you. You are a horrible person. If you know she has a boyfriend you should tell her how you feel then let her choose but not be a fucking dick and try and convince her to cheat.
Its people (whores) like yourself that make this world a worse place. Stop it. Just stop. Be straight up and honest if you like someone and let them choose. Then if they leave the person they are with you have every moral ground to stand on. But if you are just after a quick fuck and want to ruin relationships then FUCK YOU. People like you are the problem thinking you are innocent when you are causing horrible problems. Starts with relationships and then as you age you start ruining marriages that might have kids. Congratulations on justifying your actions because you weren't the one married so their fucked up kids because of the situation you create aren't your problem.
JUST STOP BEING WHORES PLEASE! Grow up and grow some respect for relationships. It will make everything healthier and happier.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
^ This.
She did alot of stupid shit and I guess you can say she kinda got what she deserved but she wasnt mentally well after that boob flash which triggered everything. I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider. Either way, it quiet sad to see that she had to endure such hardship and no one deserve such but it sadly is all trigger by her action.
Im not sure if I should laugh because of the imaturity, stupidity and the judgment int his post from some teenager who isnt fully grown up yet (a lot of people never gets pass the arrogant attitude that teenagers sport) Or cry because of the bullshit in this post... The part about mentally unwell makes me so angry with you that I would want to physically hurt you.
I dont get it? Why are you angry with me? She IS mentally unwell/unstable or sick or w/e. Why are you being mad at me for stating that fact? She admit to drug, cutting, anxiety issues and claimed to be diagnosed with deep depression.
Sure the stuff that happen to her is sad but can you truly admit that it wasnt HER fault? I understand that teenager are easily influenced by stuff but she Flash her boobs triggered her depression, anxiety and drugs. Then she hooked up with a guy who she already knew had a girlfriend and yet she just figures that she would sleep with him and nothing will happen. She probably hooked up with the guy due to her depression and was looking for comfort but even if the guy return his love for her and they become a couple, do you seriously think that the girlfriend that got dumped would stop there? The girlfriend would probably beat the living hell out of her even more and her life would be even more hell and she would be called the newest slut in school for stealing boyfriend. Her life does suck more then others and she probably got what she deserved for making the wrong choice but not to this extent. Even this amount of bullying is pretty horrendous.
So are you saying that what I said about her being "mentally unwell" is not a fact after she admited to being diagnosed with depression, is suicidal, on drugs, cutting and anxiety disorder? I do not see what I said has been bullshit, please correct me where I am wrong.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
I kind of have to agree with this. Those cards and the video made her look like some attention whore to me =.=
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
^ This.
She did alot of stupid shit and I guess you can say she kinda got what she deserved but she wasnt mentally well after that boob flash which triggered everything. I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider. Either way, it quiet sad to see that she had to endure such hardship and no one deserve such but it sadly is all trigger by her action.
Im not sure if I should laugh because of the imaturity, stupidity and the judgment int his post from some teenager who isnt fully grown up yet (a lot of people never gets pass the arrogant attitude that teenagers sport) Or cry because of the bullshit in this post... The part about mentally unwell makes me so angry with you that I would want to physically hurt you.
I dont get it? Why are you angry with me? She IS mentally unwell/unstable or sick or w/e. Why are you being mad at me for stating that fact? She admit to drug, cutting, anxiety issues and claimed to be diagnosed with deep depression.
Sure the stuff that happen to her is sad but can you truly admit that it wasnt HER fault? I understand that teenager are easily influenced by stuff but she Flash her boobs triggered her depression, anxiety and drugs. Then she hooked up with a guy who she already knew had a girlfriend and yet she just figures that she would sleep with him and nothing will happen. She probably hooked up with the guy due to her depression and was looking for comfort but even if the guy return his love for her and they become a couple, do you seriously think that the girlfriend that got dumped would stop there? The girlfriend would probably beat the living hell out of her even more and her life would be even more hell and she would be called the newest slut in school for stealing boyfriend. Her life does suck more then others and she probably got what she deserved for making the wrong choice but not to this extent. Even this amount of bullying is pretty horrendous.
So are you saying that what I said about her being "mentally unwell" is not a fact after she admited to being diagnosed with depression, is suicidal, on drugs, cutting and anxiety disorder? I do not see what I said has been bullshit, please correct me where I am wrong.
Im mad at you because u talk of mentally unstable as an "execuse" as if it wasnt a valid reason for her ractions.
This was on /r/4chan, not sure if there was anything else. Too scared to go on real 4chan hehe
Hot damn it was worse than I thought based on this photo. This makes my school look like the happiest, most tolerant community on Earth in comparison. These kids need help.
I still stand neutrally on Amanda's death however.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
....You disgust me.
Uh... so you and your friends hated bullies, and you're solution was to "bully the bullies"? And then you felt good about it. And now you're mad at people judging her without knowing her situation in full, yet you feel fine to judge allhailthedead's comments without knowing him in full. Do you see any inconsistency with what you're posting?
On topic, I think it's heartbreaking that she thought that suicide was the best option. You would think that her previous actions would have had people close to her reach out and try to help.
There is definitely a difference. For example, I once was witnessing a bully constantly pick on a mentally handicapped kid that kept yelling at him "leave me alone." The bully wouldn't leave him alone. I walked up to the bully, shoved him against the locker, picked him up off the ground, and told him that if I ever saw him do that again I would beat the shit out of him. It felt good, I did not feel like a bully, and I have no regrets. In fact, I'm glad I did it.
There's also a difference between your stories.
In your story you're intervening between a bully and his target. When he refused to back down, you increased measures until he understood you were serious. In my opinion that's a justifiable action, and one to be proud of.
However in the other story, it sounded like one day a group of individuals decided that they were going to go around school and beat up all the bullies. To me this seems stupid and just as wrong as the actions a bully takes.
Agreed. There is a definite difference between the two stories.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
Honestly, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. So now you are a bully. Great job. Hope you are proud.
On topic. It is sad that things come to this. I remember anything bad seeming disproportionately awful in middle/high school. It is important to know how to deal with mistakes once you make them (because we all do). I just am so sad that she took her life...
I dont consider myself a bully, I took a stand against injustice, me and my friends accomplished something no adults (or words for that matter) could ever accomplish, I stood up for those who needed it, I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy; can u say that u did the same thing? or were u one of those who sat there in silence while people were bullied an dmistreated? Im sorry, I cant stand that kind of apathy,
I was one of those who was bullied (things got better as school went on though... so I am not complaining). And I didn't have a group of "friends" to help me go around and beat up all the bullies. I wasn't physically able to stop bullying (not saying I stayed silent about it though). What you described draws some parallels to "mob mentality" which I would consider to be... well bad.
I'm glad you want to take a stand against injustice, and I am glad there are people like you to stick up for the little guys. The idea of what you did (preventing bullying) is great, but I think the "mobish" type of way that you went about it in this specific instance was wrong.
What's even worse is the responses here, she didn't deserve it. Young people make stupid decisions, Hell I bet 95% of the people here who are over 25 recognise they made some really fucking stupid decisions in their teenage years. She was harassed so badly the only way out she could see was to kill herself. Imagine for a second that was your sister or daughter..... so sad. My thoughts go out to her family, they must be in pieces right now.
On October 13 2012 05:01 TheMooseHeed wrote: Coming from a guy I could never fully understand her perspective but I see bullying as just a fact of life, if she couldnt handle school bullying she would have been hard pressed to handle the real world which is full of even worse bullies.
I am however angered that she wasnt given the tools to deal with bullying from her parents and teachers etc
System let her down
Have you entered the "real world"? Is that a joke? The "real world" as you put it has a lot of people that generally speaking are much better at minding their own business and not gossiping about everything. What "real world" do you live in where bullies are worse? It's generally accepted that bullying is at its worse in middle-high school (imo mostly middle school, only time I was ever bullied was ~2 years, and not severely thank god).
Ok so maybe it isnt worse but in my experience the person who is most willing to be inconsiderate of other peoples feelings and be a dick generally can 1 up the 'nice' people. The stakes are much higher compared to school life where you have little real life things to worry about. The amount of times I have seen people bully others into getting something advantagous too themselves is unreal.
The old British empire basically became a super power because they were massive bullies.
On the topic of gossip when I worked at tk maxx during 6th form staff gossiped about each other maliciously all the time. I'm sure some people wept and complained about it and I recall someone leaving over it.
Just in my experience anyway which I will admit is not much as I am only 20
as nazghul said the world is brutal and nobody deserves this regardless of what they did the idea of starting a fresh when moving away or schools is something that should happen but for something like this to be constantly carried on is just wrong, even if there may have been a mistake in which she kept contact with certain people something like this shouldn't of happened and someone should have noticed it to do something about it....
school was a bad place for me i got bullied alot but i had to grit it and bear it even tho i had no friends i was happy that way because of communities in the games i played sc / w3 / wow i always had friendly company when i needed / wanted it... schools are such a bad place for young people now days if people see you as an outsider or a bit strange from the norm ... you get shunned instantly
its sad something like this has happened though as it sounds like it went on fora long time :[
Makes me feel sorry for all the bad bm i've dropped in the past although I can't imagine ever psychologically hurting someone so deeply that they go to these lengths. Makes me feel sad that people feel so poorly about themselves that they have to try to bring others even lower to make themselves happy. One day I hope that we can all live in a world where people respect others for being exactly as they are.
On October 13 2012 04:10 AngryMag wrote: kids can be real assholes, wasn't this bad when I went to school, things seem to get much worse. Don't know why though, blaming social media and stuff is just an easy explanation, the real reasons are much deeper I guess.
I knew a girl who got thrown in front of a bus (she wasn't hit, but it was close), and another guy who was thrown out a 2nd story window, a girl who threw a friends only party (pre-skins era) in a very large expensive house, over 200 people turned up, someone drove through her electric gates, people wrecked the house and a guy I knew killed a very expensive koi carp, one of my friends broke a metal crutch over a guys head, girls systematically bullied a girl to suicide (pre social media) and another died from anorexia under similar circumstances.
Those are just the things that pop into my head immediately, there are tonnes of others. Kids have always been assholes and will continue to be assholes, thankfully most of them grow out of it.
This girl was just unfortunate to not realize that there are methods to deal with people like this, and that her self esteem shouldn't be touched by his actions.
As a teenager you don't think that though, and unfortunately you are somewhat stuck and your friends / peers will all be especially judgmental.
Once you get out the other end you realize its not the end of the world, when you're in though that's not the case, there's not much that can be done about it really, some kids will commit suicide because they're too inexperienced to know alternatives.
The overwhelming majority do think that through, which is why the overwhelming majority dont kill themselves...
sad stuff, i think people need to be more forgiving to themselves in general. people make mistakes, its human nature. have to try and stop thinking about other peoples opinions. RIP
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
....You disgust me.
Uh... so you and your friends hated bullies, and you're solution was to "bully the bullies"? And then you felt good about it. And now you're mad at people judging her without knowing her situation in full, yet you feel fine to judge allhailthedead's comments without knowing him in full. Do you see any inconsistency with what you're posting?
On topic, I think it's heartbreaking that she thought that suicide was the best option. You would think that her previous actions would have had people close to her reach out and try to help.
There is definitely a difference. For example, I once was witnessing a bully constantly pick on a mentally handicapped kid that kept yelling at him "leave me alone." The bully wouldn't leave him alone. I walked up to the bully, shoved him against the locker, picked him up off the ground, and told him that if I ever saw him do that again I would beat the shit out of him. It felt good, I did not feel like a bully, and I have no regrets. In fact, I'm glad I did it.
There's also a difference between your stories.
In your story you're intervening between a bully and his target. When he refused to back down, you increased measures until he understood you were serious. In my opinion that's a justifiable action, and one to be proud of.
However in the other story, it sounded like one day a group of individuals decided that they were going to go around school and beat up all the bullies. To me this seems stupid and just as wrong as the actions a bully takes.
Agreed. There is a definite difference between the two stories.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
Honestly, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. So now you are a bully. Great job. Hope you are proud.
On topic. It is sad that things come to this. I remember anything bad seeming disproportionately awful in middle/high school. It is important to know how to deal with mistakes once you make them (because we all do). I just am so sad that she took her life...
I dont consider myself a bully, I took a stand against injustice, me and my friends accomplished something no adults (or words for that matter) could ever accomplish, I stood up for those who needed it, I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy; can u say that u did the same thing? or were u one of those who sat there in silence while people were bullied an dmistreated? Im sorry, I cant stand that kind of apathy,
I was one of those who was bullied (things got better as school went on though... so I am not complaining). And I didn't have a group of "friends" to help me go around and beat up all the bullies. I wasn't physically able to stop bullying (not saying I stayed silent about it though). What you described draws some parallels to "mob mentality" which I would consider to be... well bad.
I'm glad you want to take a stand against injustice, and I am glad there are people like you to stick up for the little guys. The idea of what you did (preventing bullying) is great, but I think the "mobish" type of way that you went about it in this specific instance was wrong.
I'm sorry to hear you had a rough time in school. I'm tired and didn't really elaborate on my story, but needless to say, there's a reason as to why people can bully, others are afraid of them,
they were a gang (5 of them) and one day we've had enough, Yes I understand your way of thinking, but in my opinion, our one-time act of violence was justified because it did prevent a lot of future acts of violence from them. Of course if we had kept beating them up repeatedly, we'd be no better than the bullies themselves, but that's not what happened.
Remember this was in high-school, teachers did nothing, on the school where I went people were horrible towards one another, the only way to survive (as pathetic as this may sound, its true) was to get tough, show people that u didn't take any crap from anyone.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
....You disgust me.
Uh... so you and your friends hated bullies, and you're solution was to "bully the bullies"? And then you felt good about it. And now you're mad at people judging her without knowing her situation in full, yet you feel fine to judge allhailthedead's comments without knowing him in full. Do you see any inconsistency with what you're posting?
On topic, I think it's heartbreaking that she thought that suicide was the best option. You would think that her previous actions would have had people close to her reach out and try to help.
There is definitely a difference. For example, I once was witnessing a bully constantly pick on a mentally handicapped kid that kept yelling at him "leave me alone." The bully wouldn't leave him alone. I walked up to the bully, shoved him against the locker, picked him up off the ground, and told him that if I ever saw him do that again I would beat the shit out of him. It felt good, I did not feel like a bully, and I have no regrets. In fact, I'm glad I did it.
There's also a difference between your stories.
In your story you're intervening between a bully and his target. When he refused to back down, you increased measures until he understood you were serious. In my opinion that's a justifiable action, and one to be proud of.
However in the other story, it sounded like one day a group of individuals decided that they were going to go around school and beat up all the bullies. To me this seems stupid and just as wrong as the actions a bully takes.
Agreed. There is a definite difference between the two stories.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
Honestly, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. So now you are a bully. Great job. Hope you are proud.
On topic. It is sad that things come to this. I remember anything bad seeming disproportionately awful in middle/high school. It is important to know how to deal with mistakes once you make them (because we all do). I just am so sad that she took her life...
I dont consider myself a bully, I took a stand against injustice, me and my friends accomplished something no adults (or words for that matter) could ever accomplish, I stood up for those who needed it, I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy; can u say that u did the same thing? or were u one of those who sat there in silence while people were bullied an dmistreated? Im sorry, I cant stand that kind of apathy,
I understand where you're coming from I think. I also did not stand idly by if I saw bullying occurring in my vicinity.
The problem with what you did, in my opinion, was that you chose people who had a history of bullying and judged and executed them based on your own sense of morality. If you were to witness an act of bullying and took actions to prevent it, then I would be the first to applaud your decisions. However, we're talking about seeking out individuals with a history and exacting revenge on them. That's not justice however you would like to view it. That's revenge. It's petty, and in a lot of cases, it's criminal.
So many villains in movies and video games have been created with the same premise. Death Wish anyone?
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
^ This.
She did alot of stupid shit and I guess you can say she kinda got what she deserved but she wasnt mentally well after that boob flash which triggered everything. I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider. Either way, it quiet sad to see that she had to endure such hardship and no one deserve such but it sadly is all trigger by her action.
Im not sure if I should laugh because of the imaturity, stupidity and the judgment int his post from some teenager who isnt fully grown up yet (a lot of people never gets pass the arrogant attitude that teenagers sport) Or cry because of the bullshit in this post... The part about mentally unwell makes me so angry with you that I would want to physically hurt you.
I dont get it? Why are you angry with me? She IS mentally unwell/unstable or sick or w/e. Why are you being mad at me for stating that fact? She admit to drug, cutting, anxiety issues and claimed to be diagnosed with deep depression.
Sure the stuff that happen to her is sad but can you truly admit that it wasnt HER fault? I understand that teenager are easily influenced by stuff but she Flash her boobs triggered her depression, anxiety and drugs. Then she hooked up with a guy who she already knew had a girlfriend and yet she just figures that she would sleep with him and nothing will happen. She probably hooked up with the guy due to her depression and was looking for comfort but even if the guy return his love for her and they become a couple, do you seriously think that the girlfriend that got dumped would stop there? The girlfriend would probably beat the living hell out of her even more and her life would be even more hell and she would be called the newest slut in school for stealing boyfriend. Her life does suck more then others and she probably got what she deserved for making the wrong choice but not to this extent. Even this amount of bullying is pretty horrendous.
So are you saying that what I said about her being "mentally unwell" is not a fact after she admited to being diagnosed with depression, is suicidal, on drugs, cutting and anxiety disorder? I do not see what I said has been bullshit, please correct me where I am wrong.
Im mad at you because u talk of mentally unstable as an "execuse" as if it wasnt a valid reason for her ractions.
What? Okay, by the looks of your name, it look like your from Sweden. Which probably explains your spelling errors.
I said specifically in my first post, "I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider."
I said that we must also consider the possibility that she might be mentally unwell. You probably just miss read or I might of just worded it poorly.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
....You disgust me.
Uh... so you and your friends hated bullies, and you're solution was to "bully the bullies"? And then you felt good about it. And now you're mad at people judging her without knowing her situation in full, yet you feel fine to judge allhailthedead's comments without knowing him in full. Do you see any inconsistency with what you're posting?
On topic, I think it's heartbreaking that she thought that suicide was the best option. You would think that her previous actions would have had people close to her reach out and try to help.
There is definitely a difference. For example, I once was witnessing a bully constantly pick on a mentally handicapped kid that kept yelling at him "leave me alone." The bully wouldn't leave him alone. I walked up to the bully, shoved him against the locker, picked him up off the ground, and told him that if I ever saw him do that again I would beat the shit out of him. It felt good, I did not feel like a bully, and I have no regrets. In fact, I'm glad I did it.
There's also a difference between your stories.
In your story you're intervening between a bully and his target. When he refused to back down, you increased measures until he understood you were serious. In my opinion that's a justifiable action, and one to be proud of.
However in the other story, it sounded like one day a group of individuals decided that they were going to go around school and beat up all the bullies. To me this seems stupid and just as wrong as the actions a bully takes.
Agreed. There is a definite difference between the two stories.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
Honestly, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. So now you are a bully. Great job. Hope you are proud.
On topic. It is sad that things come to this. I remember anything bad seeming disproportionately awful in middle/high school. It is important to know how to deal with mistakes once you make them (because we all do). I just am so sad that she took her life...
I dont consider myself a bully, I took a stand against injustice, me and my friends accomplished something no adults (or words for that matter) could ever accomplish, I stood up for those who needed it, I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy; can u say that u did the same thing? or were u one of those who sat there in silence while people were bullied an dmistreated? Im sorry, I cant stand that kind of apathy,
I was one of those who was bullied (things got better as school went on though... so I am not complaining). And I didn't have a group of "friends" to help me go around and beat up all the bullies. I wasn't physically able to stop bullying (not saying I stayed silent about it though). What you described draws some parallels to "mob mentality" which I would consider to be... well bad.
I'm glad you want to take a stand against injustice, and I am glad there are people like you to stick up for the little guys. The idea of what you did (preventing bullying) is great, but I think the "mobish" type of way that you went about it in this specific instance was wrong.
I'm sorry to hear you had a rough time in school. I'm tired and didn't really elaborate on my story, but needless to say, there's a reason as to why people can bully, others are afraid of them,
they were a gang (5 of them) and one day we've had enough, Yes I understand your way of thinking, but in my opinion, our one-time act of violence was justified because it did prevent a lot of future acts of violence from them. Of course if we had kept beating them up repeatedly, we'd be no better than the bullies themselves, but that's not what happened.
Remember this was in high-school, teachers did nothing, on the school where I went people were horrible towards one another, the only way to survive (as pathetic as this may sound, its true) was to get tough, show people that u didn't take any crap from anyone.
I understand now. I was only critical because I thought you were doing (due to my incomplete understanding) the very thing that I loathe so much... bullying. I wanted you to be someone that I could look up to (not a bully). I am glad that you took a stand against bullying, thank you.
On October 13 2012 05:01 TheMooseHeed wrote: Coming from a guy I could never fully understand her perspective but I see bullying as just a fact of life, if she couldnt handle school bullying she would have been hard pressed to handle the real world which is full of even worse bullies.
I am however angered that she wasnt given the tools to deal with bullying from her parents and teachers etc
System let her down
Have you entered the "real world"? Is that a joke? The "real world" as you put it has a lot of people that generally speaking are much better at minding their own business and not gossiping about everything. What "real world" do you live in where bullies are worse? It's generally accepted that bullying is at its worse in middle-high school (imo mostly middle school, only time I was ever bullied was ~2 years, and not severely thank god).
I dunno man, pretty much every job I've had there have been some fucking assholes who are working against you behind your back for little to no reason, probably to take the heat off themselves, I remember one of my old workmates calling me when I was in another room and basically telling me to go say something to the boss just so she could see some drama it was fucking weird.
People are just craftier and less conspicuous about it in the "real world".
I can't imagine how bad it is to grow up with the internet now, teenage years are a clusterfuck as it is.
On October 13 2012 05:45 NoobSkills wrote: Where the fuck are the parents? Too many things went on without the parents knowing. I blame them as much as the rest.
Agreed. This kind of behaviour means that there was not a lot of constructive parenting going on.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
People make mistakes, we have no idea what pushed her into it. Calling her stupid is... well.. stupid, you have no insight in her mind, her thoughts, why she did what she did, how desperately she was looking for respect and friends, warmth and social contact. We have no idea how her life was, yet somehow, so many people think they have a right to judge her.... hows is THAT not fucked up???
To people who share "allhailthedeads" opinion about this, get the f*ck out of here. You have no idea about anything, show some empathy and try to squeeze your fat ass into somebody elses pair of trousers...
....You disgust me.
Uh... so you and your friends hated bullies, and you're solution was to "bully the bullies"? And then you felt good about it. And now you're mad at people judging her without knowing her situation in full, yet you feel fine to judge allhailthedead's comments without knowing him in full. Do you see any inconsistency with what you're posting?
On topic, I think it's heartbreaking that she thought that suicide was the best option. You would think that her previous actions would have had people close to her reach out and try to help.
There is definitely a difference. For example, I once was witnessing a bully constantly pick on a mentally handicapped kid that kept yelling at him "leave me alone." The bully wouldn't leave him alone. I walked up to the bully, shoved him against the locker, picked him up off the ground, and told him that if I ever saw him do that again I would beat the shit out of him. It felt good, I did not feel like a bully, and I have no regrets. In fact, I'm glad I did it.
There's also a difference between your stories.
In your story you're intervening between a bully and his target. When he refused to back down, you increased measures until he understood you were serious. In my opinion that's a justifiable action, and one to be proud of.
However in the other story, it sounded like one day a group of individuals decided that they were going to go around school and beat up all the bullies. To me this seems stupid and just as wrong as the actions a bully takes.
Agreed. There is a definite difference between the two stories.
On October 13 2012 04:31 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I hate bullies... one day in highschool me and a couple of friends decided to beat the shit out of the bullies at our school... I can still very clearly remember the sound of their skulls hitting the wall very hard...shit felt good.
Honestly, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. So now you are a bully. Great job. Hope you are proud.
On topic. It is sad that things come to this. I remember anything bad seeming disproportionately awful in middle/high school. It is important to know how to deal with mistakes once you make them (because we all do). I just am so sad that she took her life...
I dont consider myself a bully, I took a stand against injustice, me and my friends accomplished something no adults (or words for that matter) could ever accomplish, I stood up for those who needed it, I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy; can u say that u did the same thing? or were u one of those who sat there in silence while people were bullied an dmistreated? Im sorry, I cant stand that kind of apathy,
I understand where you're coming from I think. I also did not stand idly by if I saw bullying occurring in my vicinity.
The problem with what you did, in my opinion, was that you chose people who had a history of bullying and judged and executed them based on your own sense of morality. If you were to witness an act of bullying and took actions to prevent it, then I would be the first to applaud your decisions. However, we're talking about seeking out individuals with a history and exacting revenge on them. That's not justice however you would like to view it. That's revenge. It's petty, and in a lot of cases, it's criminal.
So many villains in movies and video games have been created with the same premise. Death Wish anyone?
Actually, the time we jumped them they were trying to take money from my friend's little brother so either way, we did prevent bullying in action so to speak. Yes It was actions driven partly by hatred and rage, and we did of course overcommit, but we also knew that no words in the world would have had the same effect as we had on the change of their behavior. Today, i'd not do the same thing, of course, because I am now old and wise (hah... well older and wiser than I was back then!)
Ah yeah, I live near Vancouver so all of my friends are posting this story on Facebook... Anyways, I'm sure that many people live worse lives than she did and they don't commit suicide. Survival of the fittest, I suppose. It's too bad that some people feel the need to be mean to other people.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
^ This.
She did alot of stupid shit and I guess you can say she kinda got what she deserved but she wasnt mentally well after that boob flash which triggered everything. I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider. Either way, it quiet sad to see that she had to endure such hardship and no one deserve such but it sadly is all trigger by her action.
Im not sure if I should laugh because of the imaturity, stupidity and the judgment int his post from some teenager who isnt fully grown up yet (a lot of people never gets pass the arrogant attitude that teenagers sport) Or cry because of the bullshit in this post... The part about mentally unwell makes me so angry with you that I would want to physically hurt you.
I dont get it? Why are you angry with me? She IS mentally unwell/unstable or sick or w/e. Why are you being mad at me for stating that fact? She admit to drug, cutting, anxiety issues and claimed to be diagnosed with deep depression.
Sure the stuff that happen to her is sad but can you truly admit that it wasnt HER fault? I understand that teenager are easily influenced by stuff but she Flash her boobs triggered her depression, anxiety and drugs. Then she hooked up with a guy who she already knew had a girlfriend and yet she just figures that she would sleep with him and nothing will happen. She probably hooked up with the guy due to her depression and was looking for comfort but even if the guy return his love for her and they become a couple, do you seriously think that the girlfriend that got dumped would stop there? The girlfriend would probably beat the living hell out of her even more and her life would be even more hell and she would be called the newest slut in school for stealing boyfriend. Her life does suck more then others and she probably got what she deserved for making the wrong choice but not to this extent. Even this amount of bullying is pretty horrendous.
So are you saying that what I said about her being "mentally unwell" is not a fact after she admited to being diagnosed with depression, is suicidal, on drugs, cutting and anxiety disorder? I do not see what I said has been bullshit, please correct me where I am wrong.
Im mad at you because u talk of mentally unstable as an "execuse" as if it wasnt a valid reason for her ractions.
What? Okay, by the looks of your name, it look like your from Sweden. Which probably explains your spelling errors.
I said specifically in my first post, "I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider."
I said that we must also consider the possibility that she might be mentally unwell. You probably just miss read or I might of just worded it poorly.
On October 13 2012 05:45 NoobSkills wrote: Where the fuck are the parents? Too many things went on without the parents knowing. I blame them as much as the rest.
Them not knowing is a terrible thing, but it's not their fault. If she was depressed and shut off from the world, then how could they know? She probably wasn't willing to tell them much, if she had told them and they had ignored her then I would understand your post. But as is, I don't think they are to blame. What I really want to know is why the police did not find and arrest this guy who seemed to know everything about her, that's probably borderline stalking.
On October 13 2012 05:45 NoobSkills wrote: Where the fuck are the parents? Too many things went on without the parents knowing. I blame them as much as the rest.
Agreed. This kind of behaviour means that there was not a lot of constructive parenting going on.
It's getting harder and harder to parent nowadays, people are working more than ever for various economic reasons, you could argue that people shouldn't be allowed to have children or shouldn't have any if they can't afford to look at their kids properly but let's not go down that road, basically both parents have to work full time nowadays and the chances of the parents being together are very slim, so obviously the standard of parenting slips. You can blame the parents but honestly, it's fucking hard to raise a kid while trying to make a decent living.
She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
^ This.
She did alot of stupid shit and I guess you can say she kinda got what she deserved but she wasnt mentally well after that boob flash which triggered everything. I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider. Either way, it quiet sad to see that she had to endure such hardship and no one deserve such but it sadly is all trigger by her action.
Im not sure if I should laugh because of the imaturity, stupidity and the judgment int his post from some teenager who isnt fully grown up yet (a lot of people never gets pass the arrogant attitude that teenagers sport) Or cry because of the bullshit in this post... The part about mentally unwell makes me so angry with you that I would want to physically hurt you.
I dont get it? Why are you angry with me? She IS mentally unwell/unstable or sick or w/e. Why are you being mad at me for stating that fact? She admit to drug, cutting, anxiety issues and claimed to be diagnosed with deep depression.
Sure the stuff that happen to her is sad but can you truly admit that it wasnt HER fault? I understand that teenager are easily influenced by stuff but she Flash her boobs triggered her depression, anxiety and drugs. Then she hooked up with a guy who she already knew had a girlfriend and yet she just figures that she would sleep with him and nothing will happen. She probably hooked up with the guy due to her depression and was looking for comfort but even if the guy return his love for her and they become a couple, do you seriously think that the girlfriend that got dumped would stop there? The girlfriend would probably beat the living hell out of her even more and her life would be even more hell and she would be called the newest slut in school for stealing boyfriend. Her life does suck more then others and she probably got what she deserved for making the wrong choice but not to this extent. Even this amount of bullying is pretty horrendous.
So are you saying that what I said about her being "mentally unwell" is not a fact after she admited to being diagnosed with depression, is suicidal, on drugs, cutting and anxiety disorder? I do not see what I said has been bullshit, please correct me where I am wrong.
Im mad at you because u talk of mentally unstable as an "execuse" as if it wasnt a valid reason for her ractions.
What? Okay, by the looks of your name, it look like your from Sweden. Which probably explains your spelling errors.
I said specifically in my first post, "I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider."
I said that we must also consider the possibility that she might be mentally unwell. You probably just miss read or I might of just worded it poorly.
Im sorry.
Have you ever considered it from her point of view? She doesn't have any friends, didn't go outside during the summer at all, nobody except family speaks to her, she just sits at home all alone all the time. Now here comes this guy who says he likes her, wants to talk to her, probably makes her feel good about herself for the first time in ages, and all he wants it to have sex... Sure it's wrong since he has a GF but all she has to do to keep this good feeling or normality going is sleep with him. I don't know about you but I'd do the same thing she did, if I were in her boat.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
it's not easy having a good perspective at that age, hell, most people don't even have a good perspective in later years
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
Going to go with a little harsh there... To take a positive point from your post though... we should all be happy to have life at all.
On October 13 2012 04:59 Probe1 wrote: You can call it brutal all you like but if she was 26 instead of 16 nobody would give a fuck. She messed up and killed herself. Sad but from the information I've seen not exactly shocking.
i would give a fuck, and so should you. grow up, please
Thanks.
Some of the asnwers in this thread make me fucking disgusted. Where is the humanity? Where is the fucking humanity? We've all been teenagers, we all had our bad moments, and she didn't make out of hers. I find it so strange when people feel anything else than sadness and disappointment in our culture reading this story..
On October 13 2012 04:09 killa_robot wrote: Interesting they didn't mention 4chan at all.
If I'm not mistaken, I recall others saying their was a thread involving said girl the other day.
Though it could have just been them discussing the video I suppose.
You know, I sincerely hope she didn't kill herself because she posted tits to 4chan and was got upset when they told her she was, that would be a very dumb way to go.
Suicide is a desperate act by someone who is in intense pain and wants their pain to stop. That is a HUMAN response to extreme pain, not a selfish one. And over 90 percent of the people who die by suicide have a mental illness at the time of their death, so they are not thinking clearly.
Saying that a person who had severe clinical depression, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, PTSD, or a similar illness was engaging in an act of selfishness when they died by suicide – even though their thought process, mood, and judgment were greatly affected by their mental illness – is not only inaccurate, but downright cruel, to both the suicide angel and the suicide survivors.
And those who use the word “selfish” are merely helping perpetuate the STIGMA associated with suicide.
A suicidal action that manifests from intense, excruciating, unbearable pain associated with a serious mental illness has nothing to do with selfishness. Period.
I wish OP would update with this qoute, it would help a lot if people could understand others pain.
The frustrating thing I find with these types of events, is that it's hard to take a lesson away from it. Obviously, you can say that this teaches us to pay more attention to people in need, and to put into actions the words written here today. However, it's so difficult to approach people in this type of situation. All you can do is offer them support and try to be the friend that they need. But if they keep shoving you out, it's almost impossible for you to break through. The next time I see someone who is acting depressed, I'm definitely going to reach out more strongly. But if they push you away, what more can you do?
On October 13 2012 04:23 killa_robot wrote: Watched the video now....
She made so many damn mistakes. Flashed random people online, slept with a guy who had a girlfriend (granted he was at fault there too) and then lied to protect him (srsly?). Granted, the bullying was undeserved, and I feel sorry for her for that, but it's really hard to sympathize with her when she just continued to make the same mistakes and then was stupid enough to kill herself.
*Sigh
We live in a world where people are way too fucked up, and too many people are okay with it/ignore it. We're being killed by apathy.
Don't forget she drank bleach, turned into a alcoholist, drug user and cut herself multiple times. The blackmailing was uncalled for, but I can't sympathize for her either.
One of the worst parts about being a teenager is having to make adult decisions without having the maturity and life experiences to really comprehend the consequences. I've talked to quite a few young women who slept around indiscriminately in high school. Most of them all said their first time was because their then boyfriend said they loved them, and if they loved them back they would "do anything" for them.
But what's really sad is that so many of those girls said they were already having self worth issues. Their parents were never home, their Dad had left them, they had been sexually abused as a child, etc. They were all seeking to fill a void in their life. They wanted to feel loved and to be liked.
This young girl was obviously seeking approval and love when she took to having inappropriate conversations with guys on the internet. What was going on in her life that she had this void inside her to begin with?
Kids are going to be kids. Good and bad. The bullying is a sad reality of life, but giving in to peer pressure is only the embodiment of low self esteem, self worth, and a lack of moral compass/direction. Bullying, imo, can only affect you to this degree if you don't have a group of people behind you to support you, and tell you that you do matter, you are loved, and you are special before*** the bullying started taking place.
I feel so bad for this girl and her family. I pray everyday that between me and my wife, we can ensure our daughter doesn't suffer the same problems she did. I will always believe that when a man and a woman love each other, respect each other, live a life based on the foundations of God and Faith, and then teach their children the joy and happiness that comes with such a life that they will be strong enough to endure the hardships young children and teenagers are faced with.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
^ This.
She did alot of stupid shit and I guess you can say she kinda got what she deserved but she wasnt mentally well after that boob flash which triggered everything. I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider. Either way, it quiet sad to see that she had to endure such hardship and no one deserve such but it sadly is all trigger by her action.
Im not sure if I should laugh because of the imaturity, stupidity and the judgment int his post from some teenager who isnt fully grown up yet (a lot of people never gets pass the arrogant attitude that teenagers sport) Or cry because of the bullshit in this post... The part about mentally unwell makes me so angry with you that I would want to physically hurt you.
I dont get it? Why are you angry with me? She IS mentally unwell/unstable or sick or w/e. Why are you being mad at me for stating that fact? She admit to drug, cutting, anxiety issues and claimed to be diagnosed with deep depression.
Sure the stuff that happen to her is sad but can you truly admit that it wasnt HER fault? I understand that teenager are easily influenced by stuff but she Flash her boobs triggered her depression, anxiety and drugs. Then she hooked up with a guy who she already knew had a girlfriend and yet she just figures that she would sleep with him and nothing will happen. She probably hooked up with the guy due to her depression and was looking for comfort but even if the guy return his love for her and they become a couple, do you seriously think that the girlfriend that got dumped would stop there? The girlfriend would probably beat the living hell out of her even more and her life would be even more hell and she would be called the newest slut in school for stealing boyfriend. Her life does suck more then others and she probably got what she deserved for making the wrong choice but not to this extent. Even this amount of bullying is pretty horrendous.
So are you saying that what I said about her being "mentally unwell" is not a fact after she admited to being diagnosed with depression, is suicidal, on drugs, cutting and anxiety disorder? I do not see what I said has been bullshit, please correct me where I am wrong.
Im mad at you because u talk of mentally unstable as an "execuse" as if it wasnt a valid reason for her ractions.
What? Okay, by the looks of your name, it look like your from Sweden. Which probably explains your spelling errors.
I said specifically in my first post, "I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider."
I said that we must also consider the possibility that she might be mentally unwell. You probably just miss read or I might of just worded it poorly.
Im sorry.
Have you ever considered it from her point of view? She doesn't have any friends, didn't go outside during the summer at all, nobody except family speaks to her, she just sits at home all alone all the time. Now here comes this guy who says he likes her, wants to talk to her, probably makes her feel good about herself for the first time in ages, and all he wants it to have sex... Sure it's wrong since he has a GF but all she has to do to keep this good feeling or normality going is sleep with him. I don't know about you but I'd do the same thing she did, if I were in her boat.
Im sorry are you talking to me? If you are Im sure u misunderstood something I said. All my posts thus far has been about empathy with her and I sure as hell respect her.
On October 13 2012 04:59 Probe1 wrote: You can call it brutal all you like but if she was 26 instead of 16 nobody would give a fuck. She messed up and killed herself. Sad but from the information I've seen not exactly shocking.
i would give a fuck, and so should you. grow up, please
Thanks.
Some of the asnwers in this thread make me fucking disgusted. Where is the humanity? Where is the fucking humanity? We've all been teenagers, we all had our bad moments, and she didn't make out of hers. I find it so strange when people feel anything else than sadness and disappointment in our culture reading this story..
It's because some of the posters here are still at that age, so they wouldn't know what you or I know.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
^ This.
She did alot of stupid shit and I guess you can say she kinda got what she deserved but she wasnt mentally well after that boob flash which triggered everything. I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider. Either way, it quiet sad to see that she had to endure such hardship and no one deserve such but it sadly is all trigger by her action.
Im not sure if I should laugh because of the imaturity, stupidity and the judgment int his post from some teenager who isnt fully grown up yet (a lot of people never gets pass the arrogant attitude that teenagers sport) Or cry because of the bullshit in this post... The part about mentally unwell makes me so angry with you that I would want to physically hurt you.
I dont get it? Why are you angry with me? She IS mentally unwell/unstable or sick or w/e. Why are you being mad at me for stating that fact? She admit to drug, cutting, anxiety issues and claimed to be diagnosed with deep depression.
Sure the stuff that happen to her is sad but can you truly admit that it wasnt HER fault? I understand that teenager are easily influenced by stuff but she Flash her boobs triggered her depression, anxiety and drugs. Then she hooked up with a guy who she already knew had a girlfriend and yet she just figures that she would sleep with him and nothing will happen. She probably hooked up with the guy due to her depression and was looking for comfort but even if the guy return his love for her and they become a couple, do you seriously think that the girlfriend that got dumped would stop there? The girlfriend would probably beat the living hell out of her even more and her life would be even more hell and she would be called the newest slut in school for stealing boyfriend. Her life does suck more then others and she probably got what she deserved for making the wrong choice but not to this extent. Even this amount of bullying is pretty horrendous.
So are you saying that what I said about her being "mentally unwell" is not a fact after she admited to being diagnosed with depression, is suicidal, on drugs, cutting and anxiety disorder? I do not see what I said has been bullshit, please correct me where I am wrong.
Im mad at you because u talk of mentally unstable as an "execuse" as if it wasnt a valid reason for her ractions.
What? Okay, by the looks of your name, it look like your from Sweden. Which probably explains your spelling errors.
I said specifically in my first post, "I know using the "mentally unwell" is probably just an excuse but it a possibility to consider."
I said that we must also consider the possibility that she might be mentally unwell. You probably just miss read or I might of just worded it poorly.
Im sorry.
Have you ever considered it from her point of view? She doesn't have any friends, didn't go outside during the summer at all, nobody except family speaks to her, she just sits at home all alone all the time. Now here comes this guy who says he likes her, wants to talk to her, probably makes her feel good about herself for the first time in ages, and all he wants it to have sex... Sure it's wrong since he has a GF but all she has to do to keep this good feeling or normality going is sleep with him. I don't know about you but I'd do the same thing she did, if I were in her boat.
Im sorry are you talking to me? If you are Im sure u misunderstood something I said. All my posts thus far has been about empathy with her and I sure as hell respect her.
No, sorry for the confusion. I was talking to the other guy that posted, he seems to be set in his way of thinking and didn't consider her point of view.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
it's not easy having a good perspective at that age, hell, most people don't even have a good perspective in later years
True but she had no perspective at all, maybe some people are born like this, they are truly stupid that is, in that case then she got what she wanted. It's an instict to do everything to survive, not the contrary, maybe she abused drugs big time or her parents are pussies worried about a new plasma TV and not their daughter or something but this whole excuse about being bullied is only that, a dumb excuse for a sad ending.
I could understand suicide if somebody loses a limb, if you have a bad sickness or something but really for being bullied over social networks and school? Good thing those genes are gone for good.
On October 13 2012 06:04 Fumanchu wrote: The frustrating thing I find with these types of events, is that it's hard to take a lesson away from it. Obviously, you can say that this teaches us to pay more attention to people in need, and to put into actions the words written here today. However, it's so difficult to approach people in this type of situation. All you can do is offer them support and try to be the friend that they need. But if they keep shoving you out, it's almost impossible for you to break through. The next time I see someone who is acting depressed, I'm definitely going to reach out more strongly. But if they push you away, what more can you do?
In my opinion, its very hard for relatives and friends to deal with people who are depressed, I know this from my own experience. depressed people push others away for so many reasons, pride, panic, pain, whatever the reason might be, be sure that its not a logical reason, and people close to the victim should never feel guilty for not being able to take care of whoevers in need of help.
What one can do, is to contact authorities, professional psychologists etc. make sure that the depressed person gets someone to talk to, someone who either went through the same thing, or have enough education on the subject to be able to understand the persons situation anyway ( aka a professional)
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
If I were a mod, I would probably ban you so can reflect on your stupidity.
It doesn't matter if she was beautiful, rich or living in a good country. What matters is that she was not well, she was suffering. It disgusts me how you have absolutely ZERO idea about suicide, about people try to commit suicide and people committing suicide ; you are just throwing your opinions without thinking about them.
Every person react differently to situations like this. Some can easily overcome them ; some can't. It would appears Amanda was in the latter. Some can handle pressure, hate, pain ; she couldn't. She needed help, but she didn't get it (was it because she didn't look? Was it because she didn't know whom to confess to?)
Here, let me tell you this. Starving is painful, no one will disagree with that. Did you know that pain isn't just physical? Psychological pain is recognized and sometimes can be hard to fight against. You can easily set up laws against physical abuse ; but psychological abuse are much harder to locate. IMO. pain is pain ; it doesn't matter if its physical or psychological. And most people who opt for suicide are people suffering. So don't you dare judge them.
Could she have "survived" or found a way out of this, other than suicide? Yes.
Should we blame her because she "didn't try" hard enough? No, and saying that is plain stupid. Not everyone has access to information, not everyone know how to deal with stuffs like this. Yea, there are plenty of ressourses around (against suicide, against bully. There are also authorities that can help, etc), but maybe she didn't have access to them. Maybe she didn't even know those existed.
I don't see how a parent lets all this happen. The kids are assholes sure. The pervert is an asshole sure. But, how are the parents so far behind, on her computer usage, drugs, alcohol, bullying, hooking up, and probably weren't paying attention on whether or not she was taking her meds regularly. Meanwhile she does have nice cloths, a computer, her hair and nails look taken care of off that screen preview for the youtube video. There is a piece missing here with the parents despite the two groups of assholes mentioned above. Very sad story.
the problem i have with cyber bullying is, its so easy to avoid, can they not just shut down their facebook(make another if theyre really that desperate)? change their number? simple steps like that. sure the issue doesn't stop, but the "cyber-bullying" aspect sure does. lets face it, most of the people that DO get "cyber-bullied"... well their lives dont revolve around computers, theyre not system programmers, or website developers or coders etc. step away from the computer, and it stops.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
it's not easy having a good perspective at that age, hell, most people don't even have a good perspective in later years
True but she had no perspective at all, maybe some people are born like this, they are truly stupid that is, in that case then she got what she wanted. It's an instict to do everything to survive, not the contrary, maybe she abused drugs big time or her parents are pussies worried about a new plasma TV and not their daughter or something but this whole excuse about being bullied is only that, a dumb excuse for a sad ending.
I could understand suicide if somebody loses a limb, if you have a bad sickness or something but really for being bullied over social networks and school? Good thing those genes are gone for good.
how is this guy not temp banned yet? He must be a troll?
In the meantime, why dont you read up about suicide:
Put quite simply from suicide.org
Suicide is a desperate act by someone who is in intense pain and wants their pain to stop. That is a HUMAN response to extreme pain, not a selfish one. And over 90 percent of the people who die by suicide have a mental illness at the time of their death, so they are not thinking clearly.
Saying that a person who had severe clinical depression, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, PTSD, or a similar illness was engaging in an act of selfishness when they died by suicide – even though their thought process, mood, and judgment were greatly affected by their mental illness – is not only inaccurate, but downright cruel, to both the suicide angel and the suicide survivors.
And those who use the word “selfish” are merely helping perpetuate the STIGMA associated with suicide.
A suicidal action that manifests from intense, excruciating, unbearable pain associated with a serious mental illness has nothing to do with selfishness. Period.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion.
EDIT
Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish".
On October 13 2012 06:14 Minzy wrote: the problem i have with cyber bullying is, its so easy to avoid, can they not just shut down their facebook and make another? change their number? simple steps like that. sure the issue doesn't stop, but the "cyber-bullying" aspect sure does. lets face it, most of the people that DO get "cyber-bullied"... well their lives dont revolve around computers, theyre not system programmers, or website developers or coders etc. step away from the computer, and it stops.
What you are saying isn't exactly false, but I don't like how you are putting things into perspective...
WHY should the bullied be the one to make change? It just reminds me of several stories in which we were forcing a bullied child to change school.
The consequences should be on the bullies, not the bullied. The bullied have the rights to live a normal life (using internet, using facebook, going to a specific school).
I think the part that stood out the most was the 15 people standing around while she got beat up. What a bunch of fucking cowards, every single one of them. No one had the guts to step up and say "Guys, this is wrong. This is taking it too far."
I'm also disappointed that it was somehow HER decision to not press charges - WTF? If it were my kid I wouldn't give a flying fuck if she "didn't want to cause more trouble", I would file the charges for her whether she liked it or not (obviously she doesn't know the right course of action to take in regards to this). No one would get away with shit like that if it were my own kid. I think that would have been one of the few ways for her to regain some of her dignity - to see these pieces of shit taken away in handcuffs.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
If I were a mod, I would probably ban you so can reflect on your stupidity.
It doesn't matter if she was beautiful, rich or living in a good country. What matters is that she was not well, she was suffering. It disgusts me how you have absolutely ZERO idea about suicide, about people try to commit suicide and people committing suicide ; you are just throwing your opinions without thinking about them.
Every person react differently to situations like this. Some can easily overcome them ; some can't. It would appears Amanda was in the latter. Some can handle pressure, hate, pain ; she couldn't. She needed help, but she didn't get it (was it because she didn't look? Was it because she didn't know whom to confess to?)
Here, let me tell you this. Starving is painful, no one will disagree with that. Did you know that pain isn't just physical? Psychological pain is recognized and sometimes can be hard to fight against. You can easily set up laws against physical abuse ; but psychological abuse are much harder to locate. IMO. pain is pain ; it doesn't matter if its physical or psychological. And most people who opt for suicide are people suffering. So don't you dare judge them.
Could she have "survived" or found a way out of this, other than suicide? Yes.
Should we blame her because she "didn't try" hard enough? No, and saying that is plain stupid. Not everyone has access to information, not everyone know how to deal with stuffs like this. Yea, there are plenty of ressourses around (against suicide, against bully. There are also authorities that can help, etc), but maybe she didn't have access to them. Maybe she didn't even know those existed.
Go ahead and report me. This is what's wrong with society people have it too easy nowadays and it's all about being politically correct, I'm sure if I wrote some brainy answer saying the same thing but with beatiful words that make you feel like an intellectual trying to descifre what I said, then you wouldn't say anything does banning me changes she made a stupid choise?, deffinevitely not. Wake up some people are stupid, and this stupid society in which we live in doesn't help either, we have all these rules and all these created necessities that forces people to work 70 hours a week for having a bunch of plasma tv's that they don't need the real reason her parents didn't take care of her, and you as a good politically correct person decides to morally ban me as if she's going back to life, how about you respect what I have to say because maybe you don't like it but there is some truth in it.
I'm sure your solution is to pass some legislation against human nature encarcerating kids that bully like that solves anything, if "solutions" like that continue to be implemented then soon kids won't be able to play with each other, what a terrible world would that be. I was bullied so many years, people always beated me around, then I decided to practice martial arts and get some personality and that was soon over, that effort made me a better person, move on. She could have done a million things to solve her first world problems, but no, suicide and put a video on youtube, hah.
Things like this just break my heart. Yes you can point out all the things this girl did "wrong" but all I saw was a young woman from a broken home desperately looking for some compassion and solace from someone, anyone.
I've come across so many lonely people in my life looking for someone to, if anything, just be there and listen. I don't really think you can understand what its like to be in such a dark place unless you've been there yourself. You lose all perspective as this "thing" starts to consume you and it weighs you down more and more each day. Its like a demon hiding in a dark corner, you cant always see it but you know its there and it starts to take the pleasure out of life as you spend more and more time thinking about it. You look for a release but even if you find one its often fleeting and is never enough. You might cut yourself to feel something or take drugs or booze to try to make you forget, but what ever it is that is hurting you is still there waiting.
Its things like this that make me wish I could of had a chance to talk to this person before she did what she did.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
If I were a mod, I would probably ban you so can reflect on your stupidity.
It doesn't matter if she was beautiful, rich or living in a good country. What matters is that she was not well, she was suffering. It disgusts me how you have absolutely ZERO idea about suicide, about people try to commit suicide and people committing suicide ; you are just throwing your opinions without thinking about them.
Every person react differently to situations like this. Some can easily overcome them ; some can't. It would appears Amanda was in the latter. Some can handle pressure, hate, pain ; she couldn't. She needed help, but she didn't get it (was it because she didn't look? Was it because she didn't know whom to confess to?)
Here, let me tell you this. Starving is painful, no one will disagree with that. Did you know that pain isn't just physical? Psychological pain is recognized and sometimes can be hard to fight against. You can easily set up laws against physical abuse ; but psychological abuse are much harder to locate. IMO. pain is pain ; it doesn't matter if its physical or psychological. And most people who opt for suicide are people suffering. So don't you dare judge them.
Could she have "survived" or found a way out of this, other than suicide? Yes.
Should we blame her because she "didn't try" hard enough? No, and saying that is plain stupid. Not everyone has access to information, not everyone know how to deal with stuffs like this. Yea, there are plenty of ressourses around (against suicide, against bully. There are also authorities that can help, etc), but maybe she didn't have access to them. Maybe she didn't even know those existed.
Go ahead and report me. This is what's wrong with society people have it too easy nowadays and it's all about being politically correct, I'm sure if I wrote some brainy answer saying the same thing but with beatiful words that make you feel like an intellectual trying to descifre what I said, then you wouldn't say anything does banning me changes she made a stupid choise?, deffinevitely not. Wake up some people are stupid, and this stupid society in which we live in doesn't help either, we have all these rules and all these created necessities that forces people to work 70 hours a week for having a bunch of plasma tv's that they you don't need the real reason her parents didn't take care of her and you as a good politically correct person decides to morally ban me as if she's going back to life, how about you respect what I have to say because maybe you don't like it but there is some truth in it, period.
Or maybe you don't know shit about the situation or suicide and should educate yourself about the issue. It's a human response to extreme pain.
On October 13 2012 06:14 RogerX wrote: what i'm incredibly shocked and disappointed is that people just watched her getting bullied... This isn't the bystander effect is it?
Nobody helped her and some even encouraged her and watched her getting beaten up, thats disgusting...
Exactly. Absolute fucking cowards. Every one of them.
Mhm, most people here seem to be calling her pathethic to some extent indirectly. I am basically saying you guys couldn't be more off. Unless you have been bullied to her extent you shouldn't be allowed to comment on that, because honestly you don't know how it feels. I have not been myself but even the slightest things my friends do, as I myself deny it doesn't go unscattered. The human brain is pretty sentimental, even if most of you are to "cool" therefore deny it.. also remember kids preteens-teens especially don't have the same thinking patterns as you do nor do they have the same as the ones you recall you had. To be honest most of the posts here are outright futile and condescending.
On October 13 2012 06:14 RogerX wrote: what i'm incredibly shocked and disappointed is that people just watched her getting bullied... This isn't the bystander effect is it?
Nobody helped her and some even encouraged her and watched her getting beaten up, thats disgusting...
Exactly. Absolute fucking cowards. Every one of them.
Well hate to break the news for you but chances are you, yourself would also have been an observer who wouldn't do jackshit. That is why it still occurs.
Can't believe some of the stupidity on here. I know being as this site caters to adolescents with large egos, I have to accept that some people are just sheltered and uneducated, but as such, it has to be common knowledge that not everyone is not in complete control of their mental faculties.
Some people can overcome adversity (whether self-inflicted or not), some people can have motivation to complete tasks, etc...; but there are people that don't have those abilities. People that suffer from, or are susceptible to, addictions, peer-pressure, or any number of psychiatric problems, whether societal or biological.
It matters not that she brought some of it on herself, but that it was exacerbated and there was no one who truly tried to help someone in a compromised situation, both mentally and physically. Everyone of a negative opinion should probably try to read the literature surrounding the psychology of suicide victims, bullying and what it really does to the mind.
This is a sad story and i feel bad family of the girl but after watching that video (which felt like a big cry for attention, had she not learned her lesson about the internet yet?) i don't feel any remorse over this. I know as a human being i should and maybe i'm just a dick but this is ridiculous. There are things she could have done. She what? changed schools 4-5 times? But they were never able to find the guy that posted the pictures online? C'mon. Hire a fucking investigator to track that douche down.
Her parents could have done, well anything. By the looks of it they were half retarded or never there. Maybe both.
But mostly this girl fucked up. I get that in high school you don't really think about anything but yourself or how the world sees you but come the fuck on. You can't be so thick as to take your own life. That's childish. If she had such a problem with school, why not home school? Hell, why not drop out, work for a little bit and they come back and get the certificate? It seems to me like if she had such a huge problem with people seeing her boobs and making fun of stuff she did on the internet or at school then fucking remove those things. Why did no one suggest this? Parents? Family? maybe some form of friend?
Maybe i'm just an asshole this just screams new age survival of the fittest to me. I see too many things that could have been done for this girl, by her or someone close to her to fix her problems. Or at least make them better.
The only thing i see from this is bad Parenting skill. The girl need guidance and the parent is still pretty fucking oblivious to everything. The parent can teach that girl to say it is Rape and turn everything around and jailed that fucker in penal system for a long ass time. Too bad, that faggot parent would just blame it on social media and still denied their shitty ass parenting skill.
On October 13 2012 06:14 RogerX wrote: what i'm incredibly shocked and disappointed is that people just watched her getting bullied... This isn't the bystander effect is it?
Nobody helped her and some even encouraged her and watched her getting beaten up, thats disgusting...
Exactly. Absolute fucking cowards. Every one of them.
Well hate to break the news for you but chances are you, yourself would also have been an observer who wouldn't do jackshit. That is why it still occurs.
Speak for yourself bro, I think I and a lot of other people would have helped if the same situation presented itself - everyone in high school isn't as big a coward as you maybe were? It might still occur in some places, but certainly not everywhere. Not every kid is raised to be a giant piece of shit.
On October 13 2012 06:14 RogerX wrote: what i'm incredibly shocked and disappointed is that people just watched her getting bullied... This isn't the bystander effect is it?
Nobody helped her and some even encouraged her and watched her getting beaten up, thats disgusting...
Exactly. Absolute fucking cowards. Every one of them.
Well hate to break the news for you but chances are you, yourself would also have been an observer who wouldn't do jackshit. That is why it still occurs.
Speak for yourself bro, I think I and a lot of other people would have helped if the same situation presented itself - everyone in high school isn't as big a coward as you maybe were? It might still occur in some places, but certainly not everywhere. Not every kid is raised to be a giant piece of shit.
Honestly speaking, in high school I probably wouldn't have done much. Now that I'm older I would stand up for that person.
On October 13 2012 06:32 Akamu wrote: This is a sad story and i feel bad family of the girl but after watching that video (which felt like a big cry for attention, had she not learned her lesson about the internet yet?) i don't feel any remorse over this. I know as a human being i should and maybe i'm just a dick but this is ridiculous. There are things she could have done. She what? changed schools 4-5 times? But they were never able to find the guy that posted the pictures online? C'mon. Hire a fucking investigator to track that douche down.
Her parents could have done, well anything. By the looks of it they were half retarded or never there. Maybe both.
At one point she said her parents wanted to press charges, but that SHE didn't want to so it never happened. This is where I feel the parents screwed up big time. They needed to take the reigns and press charges on their own, this was way beyond her.
What a fucking joke. Don't be a whore? Excuse me, she wasn't in a relationship. The guy was. She owed nothing to the other side. If I'm hitting on a girl with a boyfriend and she sleeps with me - who's done worse? Me, the person who has cheated on no one, or the girl, who has also done the equal act of sleeping with someone but is committed not to do so.
Ridiculous. Insinuating that flashing online somehow means it's thus available for everyone to see (which yes, it is, and that's a consequence) is deserved is ridiculous. Especially, because you know, it was illegal for him to do so.
You did worse knowingly convincing her to sleep with you. You are a horrible person. If you know she has a boyfriend you should tell her how you feel then let her choose but not be a fucking dick and try and convince her to cheat.
Its people (whores) like yourself that make this world a worse place. Stop it. Just stop. Be straight up and honest if you like someone and let them choose. Then if they leave the person they are with you have every moral ground to stand on. But if you are just after a quick fuck and want to ruin relationships then FUCK YOU. People like you are the problem thinking you are innocent when you are causing horrible problems. Starts with relationships and then as you age you start ruining marriages that might have kids. Congratulations on justifying your actions because you weren't the one married so their fucked up kids because of the situation you create aren't your problem.
JUST STOP BEING WHORES PLEASE! Grow up and grow some respect for relationships. It will make everything healthier and happier.
Convincing? Who said it was convincing. How you can possibly say that the person in the relationship doesn't have more responsibility to not sleep around than the person not in a relationship is point blank fucking stupid. I have no commitment to anyone nor any covenant to uphold. Of course, point the finger at someone else, hilarious.
On October 13 2012 06:14 RogerX wrote: what i'm incredibly shocked and disappointed is that people just watched her getting bullied... This isn't the bystander effect is it?
Nobody helped her and some even encouraged her and watched her getting beaten up, thats disgusting...
Exactly. Absolute fucking cowards. Every one of them.
Well hate to break the news for you but chances are you, yourself would also have been an observer who wouldn't do jackshit. That is why it still occurs.
Speak for yourself bro, I think I and a lot of other people would have helped if the same situation presented itself - everyone in high school isn't as big a coward as you maybe were? It might still occur in some places, but certainly not everywhere. Not every kid is raised to be a giant piece of shit.
This. In my high school we had a few kids who would eat a lone and didn't have many friends. Naturally they were subjected to some ridicule but never harassment to the point where they'd want to commit suicide. Some of it was even "nice bullying" if that can even be a thing. One of the kids was voted homecoming king, obviously as a joke but no one ridiculed him, and he actually seemed to enjoy the positive attention. Bullying would go down but a lot of the "cool kids" were good enough people to stop their friends or refuse to take part is that crap. My friends and I were huge bullies in middle school, there was a girl we'd call "monkey" because she had hair on her arms. The girl actually went on to get hair removal because of us. She actually grew up to be intensely beautiful and thankfully never held a grudge for what we did. I still feel like shit sometimes knowing how I acted and I feel ashamed over 10 years later. I don't understand how a community can be so cruel that her only option would be to kill herself..
I obviously felt really bad watching the video, it's hard to comprehend how cruel people of that age can be to each other. My sadness quickly turned to disgust after getting on TL and reading the comments here. I thought this was a safe haven on the internet, being hardly moderated and all, but oh how wrong I was.
I mean, sure she made mistakes, flashing yourself in a webcam is nothing anybody would recommend, but does that justify her death even a slightest bit? Of course it doesn't. I can't understand why people bring it up, no matter how hard I try. How can her own stupidity justify what she had to go through? One mistake and your life is screwed to the point you're willing to drink bleach in order to end it. Doing dumb things is most of the time not illegal, this surely wasn't, but yet she "had it coming". Where are your sense of proportions? You know the concept of proportionality?
Furthermore, she's a kid! She would be 15 this day if she was still alive. How old was she then when she flashed herself? She was a lonely girl in her puberty, seeking the approval of anyone beside her parents, just like literally everyone does, and some douche manipulates her, when she's at most emotionally vulnerable stage of her entire life, into committing the simple act of lifting her shirt in front of a lifeless camera. Additionally people that age doesn't have a fully developed brain and can't grasp the consequences of their actions, the bullies themselves are proof of this.
Also, calling her a slut? For being picked up by and older guy with a girlfriend? Isn't he primarily the one that have committed the immoral act? Ever wondered why the words 'slut' and 'whore' are feminine, words with no real male counter part? The closest would be 'player' or 'pimp' I guess, but that's words with a positive connotation. Even if she was the one taking the initiative with this guy, which seems unlikely considering the apparent confidence level she was at, she did it in order to find a friend. You think anyone is horny enough to go out looking for someone to screw if you don't even have a single friend beside your parents? It's like suggesting a person who's on the verge of starving to death would contemplate on wether buying an iPhone 4 or waiting for number 5.
All in all, this shows the humanity's illusion of being civilized is just that, an illusion. Stuff like this helps me understand how the events in Germany during the 30's and 40's could happen. I'll pray that this story is just simply to ugly for some people to process, and that's why you put some of the blame on her, it's a defense mechanism, just as trolling sometime is, and I don't blame you. Reading the excuses just disgusts me, that's all.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
Wow, some people in this thread really need to get off their high horse and learn about depression and suicide. I really can't believe some people's hatred for the victim.
Bullying and the defense of it is never okay and just promotes one's unintelligence.
On October 13 2012 06:13 NoobSkills wrote: I don't see how a parent lets all this happen. The kids are assholes sure. The pervert is an asshole sure. But, how are the parents so far behind, on her computer usage, drugs, alcohol, bullying, hooking up, and probably weren't paying attention on whether or not she was taking her meds regularly. Meanwhile she does have nice cloths, a computer, her hair and nails look taken care of off that screen preview for the youtube video. There is a piece missing here with the parents despite the two groups of assholes mentioned above. Very sad story.
Yep the principal problem is the parents. Whenever i mocked someone (for real not for a joke/harrasing someone) be it family members or anyone inside school or outside i would get hit. When i pushed someone, i had to say sorry or i would get hit. Its just a matter of respect regardless of who is in front of you and a not very developped mentally teen (like an american living in his bubble) cannot have such respect. Nowadays, everyone think u shouldnt hit ur children but its the safest way to prevent things like this. Kids have no respect, they dont fear the punishment because they never got punished, they just do what they want without caring for anyone just wanting to be the collest in a social group.
This girl made stupid choices, greedy, not happy enough that the bullying calmed down she tried love and slept with someone when she knows he has a girlfriend... Being good-looking rly helps out to socialize but sometimes it can back-fire because it doesnt help you to make the right choices. The guy who posted it on facebook should just go to prison and perhaps he will understand what's being bullied and feeling fear all day long. I suppose his parents never scolled him/gave him a little sense of anything social or are dead because its hard to believe someone can act like this.
When she was in this state she needed someone to help because she was so ashamed of herself that she couldnt even turn to her parents or teachers. I read somewhere that "friends" of her were also very sad, i wonder if they got friendly with her after she died because it seems none of them called her or anything or perhaps they were also afraid to be bullied too but it doesnt explain why none talked to the teachers, friendship is a mystery it seems. Her parents should be ashamed too, not being able to tell if their daugter isnt well and not telling her not to post this kind of photos. Aside from that, there are always debate about gay-marriage and all but im sure the child of a couple like that will always be more tolerant than some spoiled brats.
Some people have a lot to mature before they can comprehend what actually happened with her and how big of a deal it is compared to anything she has done.
Sorry to the folks who think she deserved it, but you guys should really go back and really think about it before you make comments like that to people who actually understand the value of life.
On October 13 2012 06:32 Akamu wrote: This is a sad story and i feel bad family of the girl but after watching that video (which felt like a big cry for attention, had she not learned her lesson about the internet yet?) i don't feel any remorse over this. I know as a human being i should and maybe i'm just a dick but this is ridiculous. There are things she could have done. She what? changed schools 4-5 times? But they were never able to find the guy that posted the pictures online? C'mon. Hire a fucking investigator to track that douche down.
Her parents could have done, well anything. By the looks of it they were half retarded or never there. Maybe both.
But mostly this girl fucked up. I get that in high school you don't really think about anything but yourself or how the world sees you but come the fuck on. You can't be so thick as to take your own life. That's childish. If she had such a problem with school, why not home school? Hell, why not drop out, work for a little bit and they come back and get the certificate? It seems to me like if she had such a huge problem with people seeing her boobs and making fun of stuff she did on the internet or at school then fucking remove those things. Why did no one suggest this? Parents? Family? maybe some form of friend?
Maybe i'm just an asshole this just screams new age survival of the fittest to me. I see too many things that could have been done for this girl, by her or someone close to her to fix her problems. Or at least make them better.
Remove stuff from the internet? I guess you're new here, welcome!
In case you missed it, she would be 15 today, meaning she was even younger during most of the bullying. Don't expect her, an emotionally wrecked kid, to make wise decisions like you can do, sitting in your comfy chair thinking about how to act in a hypothetical scenario. If anything, her parents maybe could have made smarter choices, but we don't even know how much they knew about the bullying. Maybe she didn't even tell them about having flashed herself. Obviously they tried to move several time, a drastic action, but that didn't help. Nevertheless, even if her parents were dumb asses, does that really makes you unable the feel sympathy for her? If a psychopathic father kills his children, it's not a big deal because "the parent(s) were half retarded". Didn't quite understand that part, dumb parents partially justifying the death of a kid.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
You should know that she lives in US, most of US people have no clue about the outside world (they dont know they live in the richest country, have huge salaries for the work done etc...) and if they do they just dont give a shit about it and live their life without caring. This is especially true if they are young like she was and her bullies were.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
You should know that she lives in US, most of US people have no clue about the outside world (they dont know they live in the richest country, have huge salaries for the work done etc...) and if they do they just dont give a shit about it and live their life without caring. This is especially true if they are young like she was and her bullies were.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
You should know that she lives in US, most of US people have no clue about the outside world (they dont know they live in the richest country, have huge salaries for the work done etc...) and if they do they just dont give a shit about it and live their life without caring. This is especially true if they are young like she was and her bullies were.
did you even read the article at all?
Why read the article when you can spout off retarded comments about America? It would probably fit in 80% of the threads in General; it just so happened that unluckily, this one's from Canada.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
You should know that she lives in US, most of US people have no clue about the outside world (they dont know they live in the richest country, have huge salaries for the work done etc...) and if they do they just dont give a shit about it and live their life without caring. This is especially true if they are young like she was and her bullies were.
You should try reading the OP... nice USA bashing attempt though. What's up with French people and hating the US? Is it really all over that French/Freedom fries thing?
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
You should know that she lives in US, most of US people have no clue about the outside world (they dont know they live in the richest country, have huge salaries for the work done etc...) and if they do they just dont give a shit about it and live their life without caring. This is especially true if they are young like she was and her bullies were.
You should try reading the OP... nice USA bashing attempt though. What's up with French people and hating the US? Is it really all over that French/Freedom fries thing?
I'm half French and what's with generalization? A French says a retarded thing and you say French people hate the US? Nice French bashing attempt though.
Anyway, pain is always pain. And teens are hard years because you don't have the recoil to put your pain in perspective.
This thread is so disturbing. There are people here who seem to think she's weak because somehow this emotionally disturbed 15 year old girl should have been acting rationally. If that's how you feel, congratulations, you may be stable adult (maybe). But obviously that doesn't make you smart. Why the hell would you assume that everyone is stable, or everyone should be? Don't be idiots. Humans are emotional animals, you can't expect every person to be able to sustain this kind of abuse without being seriously disturbed. If YOU could, good for you - but you're not any better than those who can't.
Try to be reasonable. It doesn't matter if you can find examples of people who have it worse.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
Edit: @above: what do you say to anorexics when they die? People are starving and you think eating is bad, terrible character deserves it. You are literally inhumane
Basically i see the position come up that it is her fault and a little note at the end that her parents should haveraised her better.
That's the sadness of this story. She didn't have the decision making prowress we had when we were little, and really her flashing on the internet is akin to he first time we watched porn or when we stole a bra from our friends sister or something. The unfortunate part is creepy fux on the internet.
Furthermore, she was never able to self actualize because of her reputation. No security or self confidence.
Everyone who bullied her and that creep on the internet shud be jailed, and because of the nature of maturing children it wasnt her fault completely or even mostly
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
Says who, you? right lol.
Him, me, a whole bunch of other people who are disgusted with your statement.
it is a terrible tragedy to loose a young person like that. bullying happens everyday, and she was one of the many victims.
however i don't mean to offend, but bullying didn't take her life. She was definetely living in a disfunctional home which put a great burden on her back, and she broke and killed herself. a tragedy, but those kids are not at fault for her life. people kill themselves for more than one reason. we can accomplish nothing by blaming and shaming the young kids that bullied her. by all means lock up the guy who blackmailed her and distributed the pics, but kids will be kids and blaming them for a few punches and a few mean words does nothing for the good of society.
Too bad kids these days are not taught how to behave online and how to be safe. When i was 12 i wouldn't even post my real first name online, let alone where i live or pictures and such. but i guess my parents taught me better.
Though I never flashed any of my body or sent nudes, I too was harshly bullied in middle and high school. I know how it feels to be singled out and target by vicious attacks, even at such a young age. My dad died when I was 13, so I became depressed by that and didn't talk much and was a little bit of an outcast, and even just ignoring everyone and not causing any problems made me a target for this sort of behavior by people who think it is justifiably cool to degrade others. I contemplated suicide all through high school, because frankly, when the initial depression set in and I was bullied, it was a snowball effect from there. Even in my senior year of high school, at a point where I though I had broken out of my shell, people still continued to criticize and hate on me, due to my body (i was 6 foot, 135 pounds. SO SKINNY) and even in regards to people I hung out with. I had this friend Chris who was my best friend from 8th grade, and we never really got the chance to hang out in school due to not having classes together or time to hang out during school, but we would spend almost every day after school together, whether it be in person or over Ventrilo just talking. But, when he and I were to hang out in school together at any point, I would get mocked for being "gay" or a "follower" of him, due to him being popular and me not.
I know what sort of shit this girl went through. Bullying is a huge fucking deal, but I think that it is unstoppable. Kids are just going to continue to troll and parents are going to continue to be oblivious. It's hard to say that retaliation is not a valid reaction, because honestly, knocking heads is the only way you are going to prove that you are your own person and you are sick of it. I feel for this girl, and EVERYONE going through this, because it is crippling. I still feel depressed a lot, and I still feel the effects that this sort of treatment towards me had caused, but I wish there was some way to help this girl. It's sad that there was almost no resources available to help her, and instead just let her get humiliated and blacklisted by every kid in school. RIP.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Such a stupid and ignorant thing to say. No, despite what many idiots may say, it's not necessarily selfish to end your own life when you're experiencing unbearable pain and loneliness 24/7. I hate this mentality and it consists of merely idiotic victim blaming.
Really? You're calling her selfish? Did you read up on her story?
Anyone who can call someone this depressed as someone who is selfish because they are a friggin' middle schooler is unable to cope with immense pain and [cyber]bullying regardless of where they move, not to mention a cyberstalker in possession of child pornography, is an idiot.
No, she was not selfish.
I'm utterly amazed at all the people in this thread basically justifying the acts or even stating that "well you don't have to use social media" (because you know it isn't fucking INGRAINED in society now. It's hardly different than posting the damn picture of her on a poster at school. You can't escape social media if social media wants to focus on you).
Killing yourself is selfish. It's the definition of selfish, because you're caring more about your own pain than the pain that your family/people that care about you will feel.
That being said, all teenagers are unreservedly selfish, it's something about being that age with your whole life ahead of you and just figuring things out which make them self-centered.
To be frank you can't really call her on much of anything. She made dumb decisions, but everyone screws up, and it's a lot easier to do dumb things in high school when it's harder to really have perspective.
P.S I'm a 26 year old businessman (granted, a nerd as well) who has never had a facebook or twitter account because I don't think they're healthy. So no, you don't need to use social media.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
Says who, you? right lol.
Yes, me. Pain is all relative and personal. I was homeless for half a year and honestly the starving was far from the hardest part of it. Like I said she might have been less resilient and smart than most but saying that she deserved it is absolutely disgusting. She deserved none of that, she looked like a nice girl in seek for whatever affection she could get. She may have had a lack of character (like most teenagers) but hell she's the victim.
So I confirm it you're a disgusting individual. "she got what she deserved" Dumbass.
On October 13 2012 07:36 Nightsz wrote: Honestly, I can't feel sorry for her. Because she brought this on to herself.
She should have thought about the consequences about her actions, before she acted out without regard
God I'm done with this thread. The answers here are just amazing. She brought hatred and constant bullying on herself by flashing boobs at 13 and being desperate enough to have sex with a douche?
On October 13 2012 06:52 -Switch- wrote: i wish i could find that son of a bitch that blackmailed her
Yeah that fucker needs to be shot in the head, he definitely seemed like an adult. I'd do it with no remorse. Some people just don't deserve to be part of the human race.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Lucumo wrote: Honestly, all this bs about cyberbullying is so annoying. I mean, is it mandatory to use any social networking websites?
Exactly what I was thinking as the video went on, why does she even have a facebook account at this point?
This is all due to awesome parenting btw, sure just let your 12 year old daughter on the internet unsupervised w/ webcam. Then ignore her while she does drugs/alchohol and cuts herself.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Lucumo wrote: Honestly, all this bs about cyberbullying is so annoying. I mean, is it mandatory to use any social networking websites?
Exactly what I was thinking as the video went on, why does she even have a facebook account at this point?
This is all due to awesome parenting btw, sure just let your 12 year old daughter on the internet unsupervised w/ webcam. Then ignore her while she does drugs/alchohol and cuts herself.
She doesn't need to be on facebook for those pictures to circulate on there worldwide. Switching schools used to push the problem away, now it followed her.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Lucumo wrote: Honestly, all this bs about cyberbullying is so annoying. I mean, is it mandatory to use any social networking websites?
Exactly what I was thinking as the video went on, why does she even have a facebook account at this point?
This is all due to awesome parenting btw, sure just let your 12 year old daughter on the internet unsupervised w/ webcam. Then ignore her while she does drugs/alchohol and cuts herself.
I think this is closer to the truth than a lot of media people want to admit. It's impossible to judge since we can't know the whole situation but it's hard to ignore.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
Says who, you? right lol.
Him, me, a whole bunch of other people who are disgusted with your statement.
So because some people don't have perspective at that age, does that mean the whole world is like that? I guess the majority of the world's population at that age wouldn't have made that dumb ass decisition, does that mean I have to sympathise with her disgrace?, not at all I don't care neither do you, we will forget this in less than 5 minutes the world keeps moving and political correctness is a form of tyranny. I understand it where somebody or a group of people who had a real problem feel insulted, me being black for example I get a little pissed off when somebody is racist around, but she had no real problems if you think about it, the whole thing was an excuse and could have done it for some other dumb reason too, maybe she didn't deserve to live in the first place, you know nature has mysterious ways.
On October 13 2012 04:23 killa_robot wrote: Watched the video now....
She made so many damn mistakes. Flashed random people online, slept with a guy who had a girlfriend (granted he was at fault there too) and then lied to protect him (srsly?). Granted, the bullying was undeserved, and I feel sorry for her for that, but it's really hard to sympathize with her when she just continued to make the same mistakes and then was stupid enough to kill herself.
*Sigh
We live in a world where people are way too fucked up, and too many people are okay with it/ignore it. We're being killed by apathy.
Come on man you can't really mean that.. A young girl doing stupid shit is like standard. Only difference is that she got picked out by some really sick fucks who really exploited her weakness. Hard to imagine that people would actually go so far and really keep on bullying her even if they see how bad she is actuallly doing..
Edit: And the biggest asshole of the year award goes to: Nevermind86! congrats buddy!
On October 13 2012 04:23 killa_robot wrote: Watched the video now....
She made so many damn mistakes. Flashed random people online, slept with a guy who had a girlfriend (granted he was at fault there too) and then lied to protect him (srsly?). Granted, the bullying was undeserved, and I feel sorry for her for that, but it's really hard to sympathize with her when she just continued to make the same mistakes and then was stupid enough to kill herself.
*Sigh
We live in a world where people are way too fucked up, and too many people are okay with it/ignore it. We're being killed by apathy.
Come on man you can't really mean that.. A young girl doing stupid shit is like standard. Only difference is that she got picked out by some really sick fucks who really exploited her weakness. Hard to imagine that people would actually go so far and really keep on bullying her even if they see how bad she is actuallly doing..
They probably wanted to see if they could get her to kill herself.
The moral of the story is: sick fucks are out there. Take steps to protect yourself online, the same way that you take steps to protect yourself in real life. If you wouldn't go walking down dark alleys in gangland at 2 am, then don't publish your personal information alongside attention whoring like flashing.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
Says who, you? right lol.
Him, me, a whole bunch of other people who are disgusted with your statement.
So because some people don't have perspective at that age, does that mean the whole world is like that? I guess the majority of the world's population at that age wouldn't have made that dumb ass decisition, does that mean I have to sympathise with her disgrace?, not at all I don't care neither do you, we will forget this in less than 5 minutes the world keeps moving and political correctness is a form of tyranny. I understand it where somebody or a group of people who had a real problem feel insulted, me being black for example I get a little pissed off when somebody is racist around, but she had no real problems if you think about it, the whole thing was an excuse and could have done it for some other dumb reason too, maybe she didn't deserve to live in the first place, you know nature has mysterious ways.
Yeah...there are people in the world with real problems...like people in Somalia...
Even though she made some mistakes, she didn't deserve to go out like this. World's a fucked up place and i hope all the bullies will realize what they did when they are older and hopefully regret it, deeply.
On October 13 2012 04:23 killa_robot wrote: Watched the video now....
She made so many damn mistakes. Flashed random people online, slept with a guy who had a girlfriend (granted he was at fault there too) and then lied to protect him (srsly?). Granted, the bullying was undeserved, and I feel sorry for her for that, but it's really hard to sympathize with her when she just continued to make the same mistakes and then was stupid enough to kill herself.
*Sigh
We live in a world where people are way too fucked up, and too many people are okay with it/ignore it. We're being killed by apathy.
Come on man you can't really mean that.. A young girl doing stupid shit is like standard. Only difference is that she got picked out by some really sick fucks who really exploited her weakness. Hard to imagine that people would actually go so far and really keep on bullying her even if they see how bad she is actuallly doing..
Edit: And the biggest asshole of the year award goes to: Nevermind86! congrats buddy!
We really shouldn't be advocating flashing random people over the internet while you're under aged (or at all for that matter), and being a mistress, as a standard. Just because others do it and get away with it, doesn't mean we should consider it acceptable/normal behaviour.
And people are assholes, really not hard to imagine they'd do this, or do worse, if they had been given to opportunity.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
Says who, you? right lol.
Him, me, a whole bunch of other people who are disgusted with your statement.
So because some people don't have perspective at that age, does that mean the whole world is like that? I guess the majority of the world's population at that age wouldn't have made that dumb ass decisition, does that mean I have to sympathise with her disgrace?, not at all I don't care neither do you, we will forget this in less than 5 minutes the world keeps moving and political correctness is a form of tyranny. I understand it where somebody or a group of people who had a real problem feel insulted, me being black for example I get a little pissed off when somebody is racist around, but she had no real problems if you think about it, the whole thing was an excuse and could have done it for some other dumb reason too, maybe she didn't deserve to live in the first place, you know nature has mysterious ways.
It doesn't mean everyone is like that. It means some people are like that and you sympathize or at the very least not insult them. You don't know what it's like for them. You can point at examples of people who have it worse, but the fact that they have a tougher character doesn't mean that the people who don't should be disrespected.
Your tribal mentality may work for you. "Strong man better. *Grunt*." But that's a crude and pitiful mentality you're flaunting around. Decent people, unlike you, acknowledge the existence of people who need support to function. While animals may abandon their weak, civilized people take care of them until they're better. Don't be a lowly animal. Your lack of respect for her disturbed mind and your attitude is exactly what kept this girl from getting the help that could have led to her having a happy life in the future.
I'm going bold and i'll say that she was probably mentally unstable, before the turn of events. I mean the way she handled the whole situation was... Every single one of her decisions are plain attention seeking(as well as this video). But loneliness drives people insane i guess, if only there was any relative or something to guide her...
she did some things she didn't think through. Everyone does. But for most of people these stupid things die out, get forgotten,... This is just awful to hear.
Another reason why I've never used (nor intend to) any social media besides msn (when I was in highschool). If I want to talk to my friends, I give them a call or send them a text message (cellphone).
Fuck bullies, I hate them so much. In my first years of high school, my teeth were badly positioned (my braces solved it) and I got bullied by some people. In my eyes, I handled it through strength, my answer to the bullying wasn't morally correct but fuck that. I just 'bullied' the bullies back. I ripped on them twice as hard as they did on me (they were only 3-4 people anyway) and because I was a lot smarter, my jokes on them were a lot better and people started supporting me. I stopped bullying these people -I never cared about them in the first place- when they stopped bullying me.
Don't judge me as a hypocrit please, being bullied is an awful thing, you take away someone's youth, make their life a living hell. You're only young once, it's supposed to be an incredible time with almost no responsibilities or care in the world.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion.
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Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish".
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
Says who, you? right lol.
Him, me, a whole bunch of other people who are disgusted with your statement.
So because some people don't have perspective at that age, does that mean the whole world is like that? I guess the majority of the world's population at that age wouldn't have made that dumb ass decisition, does that mean I have to sympathise with her disgrace?, not at all I don't care neither do you, we will forget this in less than 5 minutes the world keeps moving and political correctness is a form of tyranny. I understand it where somebody or a group of people who had a real problem feel insulted, me being black for example I get a little pissed off when somebody is racist around, but she had no real problems if you think about it, the whole thing was an excuse and could have done it for some other dumb reason too, maybe she didn't deserve to live in the first place, you know nature has mysterious ways.
It doesn't mean everyone is like that. It means some people are like that and you sympathize or at the very least not insult them. You don't know what it's like for them. You can point at examples of people who have it worse, but the fact that they have a tougher character doesn't mean that the people who don't should be disrespected.
Your tribal mentality may work for you. "Strong man better. *Grunt*." But that's a crude and pitiful mentality you're flaunting around. Decent people, unlike you, acknowledge the existence of people who need support to function. While animals may abandon their weak, civilized people take care of them until they're better. Don't be a lowly animal. Your lack of respect for her disturbed mind and your attitude is exactly what kept this girl from getting the help that could have led to her having a happy life in the future.
Well, this pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly, only that I'd add that it takes blatant ignorance to approach a concept as severe as suicide with such a singular view. The whole "this is how my life is; time to juxtapose it over the entirety of mankind" mentality is not a legitimate brand of proof nor actionable piece of information, contrary to popular opinion.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
Says who, you? right lol.
Him, me, a whole bunch of other people who are disgusted with your statement.
So because some people don't have perspective at that age, does that mean the whole world is like that? I guess the majority of the world's population at that age wouldn't have made that dumb ass decisition, does that mean I have to sympathise with her disgrace?, not at all I don't care neither do you, we will forget this in less than 5 minutes the world keeps moving and political correctness is a form of tyranny. I understand it where somebody or a group of people who had a real problem feel insulted, me being black for example I get a little pissed off when somebody is racist around, but she had no real problems if you think about it, the whole thing was an excuse and could have done it for some other dumb reason too, maybe she didn't deserve to live in the first place, you know nature has mysterious ways.
It doesn't mean everyone is like that. It means some people are like that and you sympathize or at the very least not insult them. You don't know what it's like for them. You can point at examples of people who have it worse, but the fact that they have a tougher character doesn't mean that the people who don't should be disrespected.
Your tribal mentality may work for you. "Strong man better. *Grunt*." But that's a crude and pitiful mentality you're flaunting around. Decent people, unlike you, acknowledge the existence of people who need support to function. While animals may abandon their weak, civilized people take care of them until they're better. Don't be a lowly animal. Your lack of respect for her disturbed mind and your attitude is exactly what kept this girl from getting the help that could have led to her having a happy life in the future.
Well, this pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly, only that I'd add that it takes blatant ignorance to approach a concept as severe as suicide with such a singular view. The whole "this is how my life is; time to juxtapose it over the entirety of mankind" mentality is not a legitimate brand of proof nor actionable piece of information, contrary to popular opinion.
People do tend to get bottled up in their own perspective and extrapolate from there to form their entire world view.
Things are not worse today than before (in school), there's just more sensational articles published, coupled with people actually talking about issues today.
Although more evidence that facebook is retarded, yes?
She attended my school. She did a lot of really dumb things, that cue card thing is just from her side of it so it looks like she is the victim, and thats why kids were mean to her. I definitely don't agree with what they did though, don't get me wrong. I've never been bullied, and usually the bullying only comes when someone does something dumb, they don't get randomly picked on. But nothing she did should make her deserve this. Ah well. Fourth person in the last year from my school. We must be really suicidal 0.o
On October 13 2012 08:24 DDie wrote: I still don't know why bullying escalate the way it does in US/Canada, i guess it's a cultural thing?
Is it actually worse here? I really have no idea. Maybe it's just as bad everywhere else but we don't hear about it? I mean, these things happen all the time here, we just generally don't hear about it.
my dad used to talk about how teachers would pick on kids and hit them when he was in school. they were the real bullys. id say its a whole lot better now adays, people are just using extreme examples like this to pretend people are worse now
On October 13 2012 06:52 -Switch- wrote: i wish i could find that son of a bitch that blackmailed her
Yeah that fucker needs to be shot in the head, he definitely seemed like an adult. I'd do it with no remorse. Some people just don't deserve to be part of the human race.
you mean like people who call for others to be shot, or do it themselves. ye, fuck those guys...
Such a sad situation. My condolences to her family.
She just got caught up in something she couldn't control. She performed stupid flashing acts, yes, but from there it probably wasn't even her being fully in control of herself. And nobody deserves to be tormented and shunned like that, regardless of their mistakes.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
Says who, you? right lol.
Him, me, a whole bunch of other people who are disgusted with your statement.
So because some people don't have perspective at that age, does that mean the whole world is like that? I guess the majority of the world's population at that age wouldn't have made that dumb ass decisition, does that mean I have to sympathise with her disgrace?, not at all I don't care neither do you, we will forget this in less than 5 minutes the world keeps moving and political correctness is a form of tyranny. I understand it where somebody or a group of people who had a real problem feel insulted, me being black for example I get a little pissed off when somebody is racist around, but she had no real problems if you think about it, the whole thing was an excuse and could have done it for some other dumb reason too, maybe she didn't deserve to live in the first place, you know nature has mysterious ways.
Yeah...there are people in the world with real problems...like people in Somalia...
cue tee eff, man. There's 1 million suicides every year, but once again, we're talking about stories like this.
On October 13 2012 04:48 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: People are brutal, the reactions in this topic included.
But didn't you know? We should ostracize every kid who makes a mistake, we should belittle them and call them names and put them even farther down.
Sad that TL users are among the idiots and douchebags who say "got what she deserved". I'm ususally the one at the forefront of defending controversy things in these threads but the fact people are even equating punishment to this degree (or any frankly) is absurdly ridiculous and you should inwardly reflect on yourself and grow up.
On October 13 2012 05:06 Bobgrimly wrote: Simple rules for life. NEVER FLASH ONLINE. NEVER FLASH UNLESS YOU ARE HAPPY FOR THE WORLD TO SEE. Should be taught in schools as basic 101 internet and phone usage.
Also as a side note.... don't be a whore. Respect relationships and demand that anyone you partner with does too. Don't think you are cool cheating on someone or helping someone cheat. You are just a whore.
Her life could have been a lot easier and better (she wasn't ugly) if she hadn't been a bit of a whore. Its hard to sympathize with her when she did all that willingly. That's what started it all... she willingly fucked up her life. Maybe unknowingly cause she was a bimbo with no clue but that's like a moth to the flame. Maybe her parents should have taught her not to be a whore.
I will drill the above lessons into any kids I ever have simply because then they can make their own choices. And its not like this is new ground. This has been the rule since phones started taking pictures or webcams became remotely common (the last ten years).
DO NOT BE A WHORE. Sucks that kids are horrible. Don't give them easy reasons to hate you. Tell your kids!
What a fucking joke. Don't be a whore? Excuse me, she wasn't in a relationship. The guy was. She owed nothing to the other side. If I'm hitting on a girl with a boyfriend and she sleeps with me - who's done worse? Me, the person who has cheated on no one, or the girl, who has also done the equal act of sleeping with someone but is committed not to do so.
Ridiculous. Insinuating that flashing online somehow means it's thus available for everyone to see (which yes, it is, and that's a consequence) is deserved is ridiculous. Especially, because you know, it was illegal for him to do so.
I don't know why I'm getting so riled by this topic - probably because I'm always on the super conservative end of discussions and all the "what happened to caring about other people instead of keeping your money" debates. The lack of sympathy is utterly appalling to me to someone who is a clear victim in this situation.
On October 13 2012 05:23 Zaqwert wrote: I don't think bullying had anything to do with her suicide.
She probably has just had a lot of emotional and mental issues and knew that by posting a youtube video before killing herself it would give her a ton of post death attention and celebrity and it looks like it worked.
Kids have been bullied for tens of thousands of years, the recent moral panic and anti-bullying hysteria isn't going to help because that's not the real problem.
There's an explosion of depression and mental illness in the modern world but it has nothing to do with bullying.
Kids have been committing suicide for ages as well. It's just information spreads 30000x faster now, not to mention the fact images can be recorded and redistributed.
I guess everybody makes mistakes but it does sound like this particular case brought an awful lot on herself. I guess it should be a lesson more than anything.
Bullying sucks. I was bullied a lot from grade 6 through grade 9, and it did indeed make my life absolute hell.
But this girl needed guidance. She needed a family that could support her. It seemed her parents were divorced from the fact that she moved to her moms, and bounced around, etc. Obviously she had bad parents. She could have done SO MUCH to avoid the negativity in her life, but she had no help. Nobody to tell her "get the f*ck off facebook, get away from the computer, throw away your phone, and let's do xyz to make your life better."
And, I think the reason she was so glued to social media and other communication devices, is probably a result of that lack of presence in her life. She was alone, as she said. She needed some company, even if it was fraught with hate.
Perspective folks. Just because kids starve and die in Africa, doesn't mean it hurts less to have a living hell of a life in a civilized country where she has many material things at her disposal. It's irrelevant to your mental health. Suicide isn't something that comes easily, you know.
I really feel bad for things like this. Bullying goes unchecked in many MANY schools, despite the obvious severity of the problem and the horrible repercussions of it. Lazy teachers, shitty parents, bored kids, and a weak public school system. More should be done, but it's hard when schools hardly have the resources to TEACH the kids, let alone look after them.
Shit gets so much better after highschool, I remember some of my friends who I played Halo with got bullied, even in Grade 12 that turned around because most of us (Hockey team/Lacrosse team) stood up for them when shit hit the brick.
Tired of idiots going nowhere picking on the few who are simply different :D. I like diversity in people, why can't we all!
Anyway, sad story
Now that's what I call edgy
Yeah it's one of their better videos/songs and it fits really well.
I really don't understand why this is getting so much attention.
Shes a "hot" female that has commited suicide so its front page news all over the internet.
There are 100s of suicides everyday and for much more serious reasons than, "Ï Flashed on cam then fucked someone elses boyfriend and now people don't like me"
Then she has the nerve to post a Youtube video to seek attention. She probably hasn't even told the full story.
I am sorry that this post is angry but why are people wasting so much energy on this.
On October 13 2012 08:27 RagequitBM wrote: She attended my school. She did a lot of really dumb things, that cue card thing is just from her side of it so it looks like she is the victim, and thats why kids were mean to her. I definitely don't agree with what they did though, don't get me wrong. I've never been bullied, and usually the bullying only comes when someone does something dumb, they don't get randomly picked on. But nothing she did should make her deserve this. Ah well. Fourth person in the last year from my school. We must be really suicidal 0.o
Wow. And the conclusion you come to is that "we must be really suicidal". *facepalm* Something is obviously fucked up with the "culture" of your school that it drew 4 people to suicide for "doing something dumb".
On October 13 2012 08:24 DDie wrote: I still don't know why bullying escalate the way it does in US/Canada, i guess it's a cultural thing?
Is it actually worse here? I really have no idea. Maybe it's just as bad everywhere else but we don't hear about it? I mean, these things happen all the time here, we just generally don't hear about it.
Here in Brazil there are two types of schools, private ones(with superior education) and public ones(which are trash, seriously, public education here is a joke)
Saying that I went to a private school so my opinion may be biased. From experience i would say bullying was almost non-existant, not only in my school but in others as well, kids sometimes pick on someone, but that's just kids being kids.
Now to get to the point of pointing fingers at one specific person and constantly harassing him/her over the years, to have someone getting beat in front of the entire school just ''for the lulz? No, it doesn't happen here, never heard of anything like that.
Girls here do a LOT more than just flashing and hooking up with someone's else BF, and its no big deal.
On October 13 2012 05:01 TheMooseHeed wrote: Coming from a guy I could never fully understand her perspective but I see bullying as just a fact of life, if she couldnt handle school bullying she would have been hard pressed to handle the real world which is full of even worse bullies.
I am however angered that she wasnt given the tools to deal with bullying from her parents and teachers etc
System let her down
Have you entered the "real world"? Is that a joke? The "real world" as you put it has a lot of people that generally speaking are much better at minding their own business and not gossiping about everything. What "real world" do you live in where bullies are worse? It's generally accepted that bullying is at its worse in middle-high school (imo mostly middle school, only time I was ever bullied was ~2 years, and not severely thank god).
I dunno man, pretty much every job I've had there have been some fucking assholes who are working against you behind your back for little to no reason, probably to take the heat off themselves, I remember one of my old workmates calling me when I was in another room and basically telling me to go say something to the boss just so she could see some drama it was fucking weird.
People are just craftier and less conspicuous about it in the "real world".
I can't imagine how bad it is to grow up with the internet now, teenage years are a clusterfuck as it is.
I wouldn't say that's being bullied. That's more devious and filled with dicks, but it's not as much public ridicule/shaming etc. that we're talking about here. Even today in a meeting I had someone make me look really bad in a situation that he didn't even let me have any input on, which pissed me off, but I wouldn't say I was bullied, even if he was a dick. I tried to help him finish a task we were jointly assigned (with a third person who he's mentoring), he said they had it taken care of, wouldn't let me see the project process flow, and then didn't finish it, but I managed to be the one that looked bad in the process.
sounds to me like this girl had no more problems than the normal teen, she cheated around, she had a few friends, and she got yelled at by the other party. She just didnt have the parental guidance or maturity to handle it what-so-ever. I blame the parents in this case, and most others of teen suicide.
There is nothing inherently tragic about suicide. This belief is entirely cultural and hinges on the characteristic absence of faith in the modern age. Everyone dies, and fast. Obviously, she wasn't having too much fun and so she left and moved on to whatever pastures.
Perhaps if her mom or dad sat down with her at any point in her life to explain that people in general are retarded and that their opinion is the last thing you should ever care for (how about trying to mention that high school lasts a whopping 4 years) she might have had thought about it twice.
On October 13 2012 08:53 Ssoulle wrote: I really don't understand why this is getting so much attention.
Shes a "hot" female that has commited suicide so its front page news all over the internet.
There are 100s of suicides everyday and for much more serious reasons than, "Ï Flashed on cam then fucked someone elses boyfriend and now people don't like me"
Then she has the nerve to post a Youtube video to seek attention. She probably hasn't even told the full story.
I am sorry that this post is angry but why are people wasting so much energy on this.
Because there aren't that many hot chicks in Canada and we need as many as we can get
It sad that it started because of one mistake when she was younger and it just went on and on. Well it not always a good idea to publish too suicide news anyway since it might probe more to do so especially with the attention she get.
On October 13 2012 09:20 pookadin wrote: After reading through this, I have to say that we have the worst of TeamLiquid in this thread.
YOU are the worst of TeamLiquid. This place is CHOCK FUCKING FULL of elitists and general douchebags who think that they are smater than the average person simply becuase they play a strategy game instead of COD. Truth is that you guys are the ones who bring this site down, you are not any better than this girl or anyone else on this website.
On October 13 2012 08:53 Ssoulle wrote: I really don't understand why this is getting so much attention.
Shes a "hot" female that has commited suicide so its front page news all over the internet.
There are 100s of suicides everyday and for much more serious reasons than, "Ï Flashed on cam then fucked someone elses boyfriend and now people don't like me"
Then she has the nerve to post a Youtube video to seek attention. She probably hasn't even told the full story.
I am sorry that this post is angry but why are people wasting so much energy on this.
Because there aren't that many hot chicks in Canada and we need as many as we can get
What part of buttfuck Canada are you from? Even here in New Brunswick at UNB they're enough smoking women going around to quench any mans need! All jokes aside, I really don't know what you're talking about. I've never noticed in my travels any difference in the attractive ratings. Obviously going to Miama beach or the E-T in France is going to have the extra variable of an attraction :D but generally in normal places it seems linear.
On October 13 2012 09:20 pookadin wrote: After reading through this, I have to say that we have the worst of TeamLiquid in this thread.
YOU are the worst of TeamLiquid. This place is CHOCK FUCKING FULL of elitists and general douchebags who think that they are smater than the average person simply becuase they play a strategy game instead of COD. Truth is that you guys are the ones who bring this site down, you are not any better than this girl or anyone else on this website.
A good portion of people in the General forum hardly play SC2. I know once I got 1.3k masters I just kinda stopped playing and haven't played since sept 4th because I have school, a lot of people I would assume are uni students or in their 20's to 30's and just like the forum to converse ideas.
On October 13 2012 04:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: No matter how many mistakes she made nothing can ever justify extortion of a kid. By the time she hooked up with that guy she was probably completely messed up already.
I think this is what everyone is missing, is that she was a very impressionable child. Situations like this are exactly why Statutory rape laws exist, she was a child... For the people saying she sohuld have known better, I just don't understand how you can even think that any of this bullying is justifiable. Bullying is very serious and damaging, I can't fathom how people can sit and firmly believe that just because it's happened to them or someone they knew before, that it is ok to happen to anyone else. If even one life is damaged beyond repair, is lost tragically then it means that something has got to change. To reiterate what Nazgul said, the child was a victim of extortion, when at that age how can she be expected to be properly prepared to deflect it? A person's life is fighting for/saving, one day when we all realize that bullying is NOT acceptable, this world will be a much better place.
On October 13 2012 09:20 pookadin wrote: After reading through this, I have to say that we have the worst of TeamLiquid in this thread.
YOU are the worst of TeamLiquid. This place is CHOCK FUCKING FULL of elitists and general douchebags who think that they are smater than the average person simply becuase they play a strategy game instead of COD. Truth is that you guys are the ones who bring this site down, you are not any better than this girl or anyone else on this website.
Im certainly no elitist, infact I hardly play SC2 anymore but still visit these forums to keep up with the community and events. I dont know how you discerned all that off my post..you must be quick to jump to your own conclusions with little actual information.
I was merely expressing my disgust at some of the horrible posts in here calling this girl a whore, a stupid bitch etc etc..no one deserves this. Absolutely no one. Everyone makes mistakes, especially when they are teens. Thats called growing up.. No one deserves this kind of harassment to the point of doing what this poor girl did. I dont care if she was female, male, trans, black, white, asian..whatever.
On October 13 2012 09:20 pookadin wrote: After reading through this, I have to say that we have the worst of TeamLiquid in this thread.
There is good, and there is bad in this thread.
One thing I have to say is that a lot of people seem to be criticising her behaviour before she committed suicide (the video she uploaded), but I don't think anyone had stated that it isn't attention seeking, but a call for help.
Yes, she may be only one person out of how many suicide cases, and it may stand out more... It doesn't mean that we should live and let it die. Do something to recognise what mental disorders/depression/suicide really is about, and that it's not attention seeking behaviour, nor because she had done something "wrong".
Suicide isn't right or wrong. It isn't selfish but neither is it the correct way out. It's simply an escape from the real problem, one that we all need to fix.
Just... Don't abandon people when they're by themself. To abandon someone is a horrible thing to do, and you'd be surprised about what small acts of kindness can do. Let's all think from different perspectives and a broader viewpoint.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion.
EDIT
Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish".
You must be romanian ...
No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it..
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion.
EDIT
Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish".
You must be romanian ...
No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it..
It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
User was temp banned for this post.
Temp Ban for expression of personal opinion on dead people ? wtf? agree with everything he said except for last line maybe
That video is so painful to watch, especially knowing what happens to her later. She made a mistake, she endured such terrible things for it. So unfortunate that she was unable to find the support that she needed. Suicide should never be the answer
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion.
EDIT
Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish".
You must be romanian ...
No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it..
It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm.
Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic...
On October 13 2012 09:20 pookadin wrote: After reading through this, I have to say that we have the worst of TeamLiquid in this thread.
There is good, and there is bad in this thread.
One thing I have to say is that a lot of people seem to be criticising her behaviour before she committed suicide (the video she uploaded), but I don't think anyone had stated that it isn't attention seeking, but a call for help.
Yes, she may be only one person out of how many suicide cases, and it may stand out more... It doesn't mean that we should live and let it die. Do something to recognize what mental disorders/depression/suicide really is about, and that it's not attention seeking behavior, nor because she had done something "wrong".
Suicide isn't right or wrong. It isn't selfish but neither is it the correct way out. It's simply an escape from the real problem, one that we all need to fix.
Just... Don't abandon people when they're by themself. To abandon someone is a horrible thing to do, and you'd be surprised about what small acts of kindness can do. Let's all think from different perspectives and a broader viewpoint.
She didn't know how to ask for help. I feel like a lot of the things she complains about in her last video are things that can be dealt with pretty quickly if you just know who to ask for help. I feel bad for her but I also recognize that posting videos on Youtube isn't really calling for help as much as it is asking for attention. I myself have had a really hard time in the past asking for help, often you don't know who to ask, but its important that you ask and spread that information around locally. The internet is not a tool for people who feel depressed and suicidal unless all your looking for a therapist, psychiatrist, or cute pictures of animals.
I had a really hard time dealing with drug addiction but nobody could help me until I started asking for help and was completely honest about what was going on. It was hard, it hurt, it was embarrassing, and I didn't know who to ask. But I just realized at one point that I couldn't go on any further and I asked the next person I talked to for help, who led me to who could actually help me.
I am not trying to be heartless because I really feel bad that she felt she had nothing left to do but take her own life. But I feel like this all could have stopped at "someone was blackmailing me for sexual favors with a naked picture of me" which is where it all started. Being a Martyr for the bullied this way will not make an impact long term.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
User was temp banned for this post.
Temp Ban for expression of personal opinion on dead people ? wtf? agree with everything he said except for last line maybe
Theres a thing called respect and decency. He can speak him mind about her, but his lack of decency towards a suicide makes me cringe. I would have perma banned his ass.
i can't believe that there are so many people that are completely dismissing on the basis that she was "stupid"
she was a kid. she was 15 when she died. i'm 22 now and i feel i'm lucky that i grew up with the evolution of the internet into everyday life. i did some stupid stuff when i was a kid too, just none of it was captured on the internet. aside from which, making a few mistakes doesn't mean she deserved to die. anybody that holds that belief is a fucking idiot. humans make mistakes.
are people really just challenging the legitimacy of this being reported in the media? here's a newsflash - the media report things that will get a reaction. a kid getting shot in rwanda probably won't be reported. they're both sad events. direct your spite at the media.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion.
EDIT
Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish".
You must be romanian ...
No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it..
It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm.
Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic...
he was clearly being sarcastic. And the romanian thing is an inside joke from TL having to do with romanians that couldnt comprehend sarcasm.. It was funny maybe the first hundred times like back in 06. Now anyone that says it just looks like they showed up to the party 6 years late.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion.
EDIT
Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish".
You must be romanian ...
No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it..
It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm.
Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic...
Basically Romanians don't get jokes or sarcasm on TL. It's a proven fact(I mean....pattern) and it happens over and over again.
I'll break down his post for you:
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish"
First of all he's parodying the arguments against suicide here.
, and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Then he makes fun of people calling suicidal kids cowards when it takes balls of steel to kill yourself.
TLDR: He was sarcastic, and Romanians don't get sarcasm, I wish you were a romanian but you're a german.
This girl actually went to school with me before she changed schools. Unless there was another Amanda Todd at my school...
What happened is disgusting but she does have some fault in this. I can't imagine someone showing themselves naked to some random person on the internet and not expecting some horrific backlash after hundreds of these stories have happened now... It feels like smoking. It's so painfully obvious that it will have negative consequences down the road and people still do it...
Why were her parents not monitoring her internet usage in grade 7? Or at the very least have the computer in the living room or something.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
User was temp banned for this post.
Temp Ban for expression of personal opinion on dead people ? wtf? agree with everything he said except for last line maybe
Why he was temp banned
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
(herp derp)x2
Those are the most likely reasons. It;s fine to have a ridiculous opinion that berates yourself, it's another thing to be an idiot in the process.
This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever seen on TL. Not just for this awful story, but for all the disgusting opinions that have spilled out because of it. It boggles my mind how people are fucking blaming the victim. It's the same sickening mentality that allows stupid shit like "She was asking for it by wearing those clothes" or "he was begging to get shot" or whatever. No, showing your chest on the internet is not grounds for public shaming, extortion, stalking, and beatings.
Anyone who says this is in any way her fault (even if she did do something stupid, it's something of ill consequence unless a sick piece of shit does their best to ruin her life for it) needs to reevaluate their mindset, because it's a depraved, almost sociopathic one.
The gross inflation of member count has really brought the scum out of the woodwork.
I think people who are dismissing her as stupid just aren't putting themselves in her shoes. You don't exactly have things figured out, nor do you really see the big picture at her age.
Could she have alleviated/fixed some or a lot of her issues? Yes
Is that easy to do when you have anxiety, you're 15, your social life is completely crushed, and a ruthless stranger has exposed a naked photo of you to two of your high schools? No
Failure on the part of her parents, school staff, and just society in general to not reach out to someone CLEARLY troubled.
On October 13 2012 10:20 tokicheese wrote: This girl actually went to school with me before she changed schools. Unless there was another Amanda Todd at my school...
What happened is disgusting but she does have some fault in this. I can't imagine someone showing themselves naked to some random person on the internet and not expecting some horrific backlash after hundreds of these stories have happened now... It feels like smoking. It's so painfully obvious that it will have negative consequences down the road and people still do it...
Why were her parents not monitoring her internet usage in grade 7? Or at the very least have the computer in the living room or something.
Do you know how much stupid, gross shit people do when they are 12-13? Should they now be held to the same standard of conduct as politicians or EG players?
It's partially her fault ... why? For acting like a 13 year old?
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion.
EDIT
Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish".
You must be romanian ...
No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it..
It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm.
Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic...
Basically Romanians don't get jokes or sarcasm on TL. It's a proven fact(I mean....pattern) and it happens over and over again.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish"
First of all he's parodying the arguments against suicide here.
, and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Then he makes fun of people calling suicidal kids cowards when it takes balls of steel to kill yourself.
TLDR: He was sarcastic, and Romanians don't get sarcasm, I wish you were a romanian but you're a german.
wow i didn't think it would take sooo many posts to explain. Basically greeny K, if you had just clicked the "spoiler" thingy like this :> + Show Spoiler +
There's no fucking reason for this thread to exist. People commit suicide every day. Why is this girl's case so special that it warrants its own thread?
No one here has a fucking clue why she killed herself. It's an insult to her and her family to assume that you know why she killed herself because of some crap you read online. It's a tragedy, leave it at that.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion.
EDIT
Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish".
You must be romanian ...
No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it..
It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm.
Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic...
Basically Romanians don't get jokes or sarcasm on TL. It's a proven fact(I mean....pattern) and it happens over and over again.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish"
First of all he's parodying the arguments against suicide here.
On October 13 2012 10:38 Voltaire wrote: There's no fucking reason for this thread to exist. People commit suicide every day. Why is this girl's case so special that it warrants its own thread?
No one here has a fucking clue why she killed herself. It's an insult to her and her family to assume that you know why she killed herself because of some crap you read online. It's a tragedy, leave it at that.
lol did you even read the thread? the whole reason its a thread is because she told everyone why she did it before she did it.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion.
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Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish".
You must be romanian ...
No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it..
It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm.
Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic...
Basically Romanians don't get jokes or sarcasm on TL. It's a proven fact(I mean....pattern) and it happens over and over again.
I'll break down his post for you:
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish"
First of all he's parodying the arguments against suicide here.
, and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Then he makes fun of people calling suicidal kids cowards when it takes balls of steel to kill yourself.
TLDR: He was sarcastic, and Romanians don't get sarcasm, I wish you were a romanian but you're a german.
wow i didn't think it would take sooo many posts to explain. Basically greeny K, if you had just clicked the "spoiler" thingy like this :> + Show Spoiler +
spoiler
, you probably would have understood immediately.
Edit: thanks for breaking this down for me
First post wasn't clear, I second post explained it... I didn't ask for the other ones so suck a nut... JK, I love you
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever seen on TL. Not just for this awful story, but for all the disgusting opinions that have spilled out because of it. It boggles my mind how people are fucking blaming the victim. It's the same sickening mentality that allows stupid shit like "She was asking for it by wearing those clothes" or "he was begging to get shot" or whatever. No, showing your chest on the internet is not grounds for public shaming, extortion, stalking, and beatings.
It's not grounds for it, but it can lead to it. Just like taking a stroll through gang territory at 2 am isn't grounds for being assaulted, but can lead to it.
We teach children to be wary of strangers because we somehow expect children to play a part in keeping themselves safe from pedophiles. No one screams that PSA ads on stranger danger equate to blaming children for their own victimization. No one claims that a kid who ignored the advice and got molested as a result will blame himself whenever he hears someone say, "Don't take candy from strangers," so we should never, ever say that stuff to any children, ever.
Yet when it comes to telling women that exercising restraint in the expression of their sexuality will help minimize their risk of sexual assault/harassment, this is treated as blaming them, and telling women they were asking for it. The truth is, women should be able to dress however they want, and they can dress however they want--but when they do, it's only wise to minimize their other risk factors to compensate. In other words, if you're going to behave in ways that attract a lot of sexual attention from a lot of men (flashing people online), you should not make yourself vulnerable or an easy target (giving away your personal info). Conversely, you're going to behave in ways that make you vulnerable, you shouldn't behave in ways that attract everyone's attention, because a single bad person could target you.
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: Anyone who says this is in any way her fault (even if she did do something stupid, it's something of ill consequence unless a sick piece of shit does their best to ruin her life for it) needs to reevaluate their mindset, because it's a depraved, almost sociopathic one.
No, it's not. The depraved mindset is that of white knights who think it's okay to discourage others from taking responsibility for their own behavior, and in doing so encourage others to put themselves in danger.
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: The gross inflation of member count has really brought the scum out of the woodwork.
Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility.
On October 13 2012 10:20 tokicheese wrote: This girl actually went to school with me before she changed schools. Unless there was another Amanda Todd at my school...
What happened is disgusting but she does have some fault in this. I can't imagine someone showing themselves naked to some random person on the internet and not expecting some horrific backlash after hundreds of these stories have happened now... It feels like smoking. It's so painfully obvious that it will have negative consequences down the road and people still do it...
Why were her parents not monitoring her internet usage in grade 7? Or at the very least have the computer in the living room or something.
Do you know how much stupid, gross shit people do when they are 12-13? Should they now be held to the same standard of conduct as politicians or EG players?
It's partially her fault ... why? For acting like a 13 year old?
Nah. She has nothing but my sympathy.
That's such a bad excuse. You don't get any more innocence when your young in todays world with social media. Just because your 13 doesn't mean one stupid mistake can destroy your life. I bet you if this girl went to get a job and googled her name they might get pictures of her naked. That's why it's the parents responsibility to make sure what their kids are doing online isn't something like this. It's not like you need to hover 24/7 around the PC just put the computer in the family room.
Girl flashes her boobs at 13 to some creep and then the creep destroys her life. How many times has this exact same thing happened?
This whole drama played out a few times at my school, one girls huge bush and anothers pancake nips and pretty much everyone saw. That was just in my grade that I actually saw. We actually had a huge scandal where a bunch of gr11/12 boys had nude pictures taht gr9/10s sent them. And they keep fucking doing it lol... What do you expect to happen?
It's not like it's rocket science to not go flashing your body to strangers online. I mean what the hell do you think will happen. We had seminars in school in BC about this shit. Girl flashes boobs --> Creep now blackmails you for more shit --> your now at his mercy. I don't understand why people do this at all. You can go on 4chan and see hundreds of random girls of age/underage who decided flashing some random dude was a good idea and now they are going to be forever online with their professional and personal lives in the balance at the mercy of some creep on line.
I'm not claiming I didn't do anything stupid when I was younger. But this isn't the same world that I grew up in. Just like we live in an entirely different world than our parents grew up in. Sadly your time of innocence as a young teen doesn't exist any more.
On October 13 2012 10:38 Voltaire wrote: There's no fucking reason for this thread to exist. People commit suicide every day. Why is this girl's case so special that it warrants its own thread?
No one here has a fucking clue why she killed herself. It's an insult to her and her family to assume that you know why she killed herself because of some crap you read online. It's a tragedy, leave it at that.
lol did you even read the thread? the whole reason its a thread is because she told everyone why she did it before she did it.
You still don't understand the circumstances. You don't know what was going on in her life. The fact that you viewed a youtube video put up by a suicidal person doesn't make you an expert on her life.
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever seen on TL. Not just for this awful story, but for all the disgusting opinions that have spilled out because of it. It boggles my mind how people are fucking blaming the victim. It's the same sickening mentality that allows stupid shit like "She was asking for it by wearing those clothes" or "he was begging to get shot" or whatever. No, showing your chest on the internet is not grounds for public shaming, extortion, stalking, and beatings.
It's not grounds for it, but it can lead to it. Just like taking a stroll through gang territory at 2 am isn't grounds for being assaulted, but can lead to it.
We teach children to be wary of strangers because we somehow expect children to play a part in keeping themselves safe from pedophiles. No one screams that PSA ads on stranger danger equate to blaming children for their own victimization. No one claims that a kid who ignored the advice and got molested as a result will blame himself whenever he hears someone say, "Don't take candy from strangers," so we should never, ever say that stuff to any children, ever.
Yet when it comes to telling women that exercising restraint in the expression of their sexuality will help minimize their risk of sexual assault/harassment, this is treated as blaming victims for their victimization, and telling women they were asking for it. The truth is, women should be able to dress however they want, and they can dress however they want--but when they do, it's only wise to minimize their other risk factors to compensate. In other words, if you're going to behave in ways that attract a lot of sexual attention from a lot of men, you should not make yourself vulnerable or an easy target. If you're going to behave in ways that make you vulnerable, you should not dress in ways that will attract the sexual attention of every man at the bar.
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: Anyone who says this is in any way her fault (even if she did do something stupid, it's something of ill consequence unless a sick piece of shit does their best to ruin her life for it) needs to reevaluate their mindset, because it's a depraved, almost sociopathic one.
No, it's not. The depraved mindset is that of white knights who think it's okay to discourage others from taking responsibility for their own behavior, and in doing so encourage others to put themselves in danger.
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: The gross inflation of member count has really brought the scum out of the woodwork.
Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility.
You don't have a personal responsibility to not do things you want to do that don't harm anyone else just because other people have the potential to be assholes. It's simpler not to do things where the risk of other people being an asshole is high or the damage an asshole can do is extensive but that doesn't mean you're obligated to make that sacrifice, nor that you deserve the consequences if you don't. I would not advocate a child taking sweets from a stranger because of the asshole risk but that means that the child has been forced to make a sacrifice because the world is a shitty place. Refusing to live in fear or believing that other people are better than they are do not make you deserving of exploitation.
As for the brief attack on female empowerment you felt obligated to throw in there, the reason women need to oppose the whole "you deserved to be raped for leaving the kitchen" thing while we still teach kids to not take sweets from strangers is because we don't live in a world where the defence lawyer for a child molester stands up in court and says "men and women of the jury, how can you believe that the accused kidnapped this child when he was out there in the street taking sweets from any old stranger".
On October 13 2012 10:41 StateofReverie wrote: She showed her breasts? Something tells me there is a lot of missing info here
And the creep she showed them to got ahold of her info address school, everything and took screenshots of her boobs. Told the girl she had to give him a show or he'd give the pictures to everyone at school. She just ignored him. He went through with the threat and all the kids at her school got the pics on FB and shit.
Then the school kids drove her to switch school with there torture of her. Then the new school found out about it and they beat the shit outta her.
As much as it was her mistake, she was presumably young when it first started. What baffles me are these following questions though:
1. Why did she not delete her Facebook account? Would any person let social media ruin his/her life? 2. She said she switched schools. I know for a fact that doing so requires that a parent/guardian sign some papers. Who signed the papers? If it was one of her parents, then did the mother/father not ask for a good justification? 3. No police officer would go to a minor and say "Ur nudez got leaked on the internewts, k, bai". If the police came to her door at 4am, surely they spoke to a parent/guardian? 4. Schools in the U.S. are very close to one another (at least in my state). She knew it was a matter of time until the information would catch up. Why not switch states and even change names in order to escape the past and start a new future? 5. She was taken to the hospital for drinking fucking bleach. She was old enough to not mistake bleach for water, or even to assume that it was an accident. Surely a parent would realize that this was a suicidal attempt, yet they didn't take any future and concrete action?
It's a tragic to think that a girl endured so much for such a long time. It really saddens me that she killed herself. What saddens me more is the attitude of the people she believed she trusted, who turned around and bit her in the ass. Where the hell is the parents' response and intervention during the incidents, or even now, after it all ended for her?
On October 13 2012 11:00 Skeltons wrote: As much as it was her mistake, she was presumably young when it first started. What baffles me are these following questions though:
1. Why did she not delete her Facebook account? Would any person let social media ruin his/her life? 2. She said she switched schools. I know for a fact that doing so requires that a parent/guardian sign some papers. Who signed the papers? If it was one of her parents, then did the mother/father not ask for a good justification? 3. No police officer would go to a minor and say "Ur nudez got leaked on the internewts, k, bai". If the police came to her door at 4am, surely they spoke to a parent/guardian? 4. Schools in the U.S. are very close to one another (at least in my state). She knew it was a matter of time until the information would catch up. Why not switch states and even change names in order to escape the past and start a new future? 5. She was taken to the hospital for drinking fucking bleach. She was old enough to not mistake bleach for water, or even to assume that it was an accident. Surely a parent would realize that this was a suicidal attempt, yet they didn't take any future and concrete action?
It's a tragic to think that a girl endured so much for such a long time. It really saddens me that she killed herself. What saddens me more is the attitude of the people she believed she trusted, who turned around and bit her in the ass. Where the hell is the parents' response and intervention during the incidents, or even now, after it all ended for her?
Maybe her dad knows about it and fucking her too. You like conspiracy?
yeah whoever that dude was that was an "old guy friend" is really cruel thats taking advantage of a girls situation SOOOO much, she was so vulnerable and everything, sucks how i... or we .. live in a world with fucknuts like these people.
On October 13 2012 10:20 tokicheese wrote: This girl actually went to school with me before she changed schools. Unless there was another Amanda Todd at my school...
What happened is disgusting but she does have some fault in this. I can't imagine someone showing themselves naked to some random person on the internet and not expecting some horrific backlash after hundreds of these stories have happened now... It feels like smoking. It's so painfully obvious that it will have negative consequences down the road and people still do it...
Why were her parents not monitoring her internet usage in grade 7? Or at the very least have the computer in the living room or something.
Do you know how much stupid, gross shit people do when they are 12-13? Should they now be held to the same standard of conduct as politicians or EG players?
It's partially her fault ... why? For acting like a 13 year old?
Nah. She has nothing but my sympathy.
That's such a bad excuse. You don't get any more innocence when your young in todays world with social media. Just because your 13 doesn't mean one stupid mistake can destroy your life. I bet you if this girl went to get a job and googled her name they might get pictures of her naked. That's why it's the parents responsibility to make sure what their kids are doing online isn't something like this. It's not like you need to hover 24/7 around the PC just put the computer in the family room.
Girl flashes her boobs at 13 to some creep and then the creep destroys her life. How many times has this exact same thing happened?
This whole drama played out a few times at my school, one girls huge bush and anothers pancake nips and pretty much everyone saw. That was just in my grade that I actually saw. We actually had a huge scandal where a bunch of gr11/12 boys had nude pictures taht gr9/10s sent them. And they keep fucking doing it lol... What do you expect to happen?
It's not like it's rocket science to not go flashing your body to strangers online. I mean what the hell do you think will happen. We had seminars in school in BC about this shit. Girl flashes boobs --> Creep now blackmails you for more shit --> your now at his mercy. I don't understand why people do this at all. You can go on 4chan and see hundreds of random girls of age/underage who decided flashing some random dude was a good idea and now they are going to be forever online with their professional and personal lives in the balance at the mercy of some creep on line.
I'm not claiming I didn't do anything stupid when I was younger. But this isn't the same world that I grew up in. Just like we live in an entirely different world than our parents grew up in. Sadly your time of innocence as a young teen doesn't exist any more.
Every generation of teenagers believes they're the smartest, the savviest, and that they are the most qualified to pass judgement on each other and police themselves.
I want you to reread this post in ten years when you balls start to sag as low as mine. Then you'll realize how ridiculous it is to justify the demonization of a kid for doing stupid kid shit, and how ridiculous your, 'well gramps, times are a changing' argument actually is.
She made a stupid mistake. The people that bullied her are stupid. And apologist for bullies, in general, are so stupid they don't even realize how stupid they are.
While I often think that high schoolers are just immature and worry too much about what their peers think of them (I did), I have to admit that while I was in high school, that used to be everything.
On October 13 2012 11:00 Skeltons wrote: As much as it was her mistake, she was presumably young when it first started. What baffles me are these following questions though:
1. Why did she not delete her Facebook account? Would any person let social media ruin his/her life? 2. She said she switched schools. I know for a fact that doing so requires that a parent/guardian sign some papers. Who signed the papers? If it was one of her parents, then did the mother/father not ask for a good justification? 3. No police officer would go to a minor and say "Ur nudez got leaked on the internewts, k, bai". If the police came to her door at 4am, surely they spoke to a parent/guardian? 4. Schools in the U.S. are very close to one another (at least in my state). She knew it was a matter of time until the information would catch up. Why not switch states and even change names in order to escape the past and start a new future? 5. She was taken to the hospital for drinking fucking bleach. She was old enough to not mistake bleach for water, or even to assume that it was an accident. Surely a parent would realize that this was a suicidal attempt, yet they didn't take any future and concrete action?
It's a tragic to think that a girl endured so much for such a long time. It really saddens me that she killed herself. What saddens me more is the attitude of the people she believed she trusted, who turned around and bit her in the ass. Where the hell is the parents' response and intervention during the incidents, or even now, after it all ended for her?
Maybe her dad knows about it and fucking her too. You like conspiracy?
A kid died. At least show some fucking respect for the loss of human life if you can't think of anything better to do.
On October 13 2012 11:00 Skeltons wrote: As much as it was her mistake, she was presumably young when it first started. What baffles me are these following questions though:
1. Why did she not delete her Facebook account? Would any person let social media ruin his/her life? 2. She said she switched schools. I know for a fact that doing so requires that a parent/guardian sign some papers. Who signed the papers? If it was one of her parents, then did the mother/father not ask for a good justification? 3. No police officer would go to a minor and say "Ur nudez got leaked on the internewts, k, bai". If the police came to her door at 4am, surely they spoke to a parent/guardian? 4. Schools in the U.S. are very close to one another (at least in my state). She knew it was a matter of time until the information would catch up. Why not switch states and even change names in order to escape the past and start a new future? 5. She was taken to the hospital for drinking fucking bleach. She was old enough to not mistake bleach for water, or even to assume that it was an accident. Surely a parent would realize that this was a suicidal attempt, yet they didn't take any future and concrete action?
It's a tragic to think that a girl endured so much for such a long time. It really saddens me that she killed herself. What saddens me more is the attitude of the people she believed she trusted, who turned around and bit her in the ass. Where the hell is the parents' response and intervention during the incidents, or even now, after it all ended for her?
Maybe her dad knows about it and fucking her too. You like conspiracy?
A kid died. At least show some fucking respect for the loss of human life if you can't think of anything better to do.
Can't waiver the mind of some, best to leave it and move on. Getting caught up with people that lack any moral empathy is a losing battle, they're doing their own thing and we're doing anything. Individualism does that.
On October 13 2012 11:03 obesechicken13 wrote: While I often think that high schoolers are just immature and worry too much about what their peers think of them (I did), I have to admit that while I was in high school, that used to be everything.
I also remember kids beating and hating on other kids because they wanted them to know or care what other people thought.
On October 13 2012 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote: this poor kid. this poor fucking kid.
it's time like these that i wish social media was 21 and up.
Social media isn't to blame. Bullying has existed since the beginning of time.
There is no one to blame for this tragedy.
true dat.
well, actually, no... i can blame bullies. fuck bullies.
Nope. You don't know all the circumstances of her death. Stop prying into other people's personal matters.
she said she was bullied. unless I assume she's lying, than I can probably say that her being bullied didn't make her feel very good about herself. so I can blame bullies for being assholes, because they are assholes. I don't have to know any circumstances about her death to know that bullying is wrong. and prying would be if I was searching for information about the circumstances of her death, so chill.
Hello! Ive decided to tell you about my never ending story In 7th grade I would go with friends on webcam meet and talk to new people. Then got called stunning, beautiful, perfect, etc Then wanted me to flash... So I did... 1 year later... I got a msg on facebook From him... Don't know how he knew me.. It said... If you don't put on a show for me I will send ur boobs He knew my adress. School, relatives, friends family names. Christmas break.... Knock at my door at 4am... It was the police... my photo was sent to everyone I then got really sick and got... Anxiety, major deppresion and panic disorder I then moved and got into Drugs + Alcohol .... My anxiety got worse... couldn't go out A year past and the guy came back with my new list of friends and school. But made a facebook page My boobs were his profile pic... Cried every night, lost all my friends and respect people had for me... again... Then nobody liked me name calling, Judged... I can never get that photo back It's out there forever... I started cutting... I promised myself never again... Didn't have any friends and I sat at lunch alone So I moved Schools again.... Everything was better even though I sat still alone at lunch in the library everyday. After a month later I stated talking to an old guy friend We back and fourth texted and he started to say he.. Liked me...Led me on.. He had a girlfriend then he said come over my gf's on vacation So I did... huge mistake.... He hooked up with me.... I thought he liked me.... 1 week later I get a text get our of your school His girlfriend and 15 others came including Hiself... The girl and 2 others just said look around nobody likes you Infront of my new school (50) people... A guy than yelled just punch her already So she did.. She threw me to the ground a punched me several times Kids filmed it. I was all alone and left on the ground. I felt like a joke in this world... I thought nobody deserves this :/ I was alone..I lied and said it was my fault and my idea I didn't want him getting hurt, I thought he really liked me but he just wanted the sex... Someone yelled punch her already Teachers ran over but I just went and layed in a ditch and my dad found me. I wanted to die so bad... when he brought me home I drank bleach... It killed me inside and I thought I was gonna actully die Ambulence came and brought me to the hospital and flushed me After I got home all I saw was on facebook - She deserved it, did you wash the mud out of your hair? = I hope shes dead. nobody cared... I moved away to another city to my moms another school... I didnt wanna press charged because I wanted to move on. 6 months has gone by... people are posting the pics of bleach, clorex and ditches tagging me... I was doing alot better too... They said... She should try a different bleach, I hope she dies this time and isn't so stupid. They said I hope she sees this and kills herself. Why do I get this? I messed up but why follow me. I left your guys city... Im constanty crying now.. Everyday I think why am I still here? My anxiety is horrible now.. never went out this summer All from my past.. lifes never getting better.. cant go to school meet or be with people... constantly cutting. Im really depressed Im on anti deppresants now and councelling and a month ago this summer I overdosed... in hospital for 2 days Im stuck... whats left of me now... nothing stops I have nobody... I need someone =( my name is Amanda Todd....
Guy compliments her and asks for boob picture, she complies
Picture spreads
Depression, starts drugs and alcohol, new school new friends
Guy makes facebook account with boobs as profile pic
Loses friends again, starts cutting herself
Changes school again, hooks up with former male friend, has sex even though he has girlfriend
The girlfriend comes with 15 other people to new school and beats her up
Attempts suicide by drinking bleach, fails, moves city into new school
People still find her, tell her to kill herself, and not to fail the next time.
Her video comment during the posting of the video (she commits suicide 1 month later) + Show Spoiler +
I'm struggling to stay in this world, because everything just touches me so deeply. I'm not doing this for attention. I'm doing this to be an inspiration and to show that I can be strong. I did things to myself to make pain go away, because I'd rather hurt myself then someone else. Haters are haters but please don't hate, although im sure I'll get them. I hope I can show you guys that everyone has a story, and everyones future will be bright one day, you just gotta pull through. I'm still here aren't I ?
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever seen on TL. Not just for this awful story, but for all the disgusting opinions that have spilled out because of it. It boggles my mind how people are fucking blaming the victim. It's the same sickening mentality that allows stupid shit like "She was asking for it by wearing those clothes" or "he was begging to get shot" or whatever. No, showing your chest on the internet is not grounds for public shaming, extortion, stalking, and beatings.
It's not grounds for it, but it can lead to it. Just like taking a stroll through gang territory at 2 am isn't grounds for being assaulted, but can lead to it.
Oh boy, here it comes.
We teach children to be wary of strangers because we somehow expect children to play a part in keeping themselves safe from pedophiles. No one screams that PSA ads on stranger danger equate to blaming children for their own victimization. No one claims that a kid who ignored the advice and got molested as a result will blame himself whenever he hears someone say, "Don't take candy from strangers," so we should never, ever say that stuff to any children, ever.
Ok, so now, when a child who has been told not to take candy from strangers takes candy from strangers and dies by poisoning, you want the dead child to take responsibility for its actions? That it deserves any of the blame for the wrongdoing of others? Of course it's wise to advise caution, it's not a grounds for blaming the victim for the acts of the cruel.
Yet when it comes to telling women that exercising restraint in the expression of their sexuality will help minimize their risk of sexual assault/harassment, this is treated as blaming them, and telling women they were asking for it.
Oh my sweet lord.
You are literally championing victim blaming and the repression of women.
The truth is, women should be able to dress however they want, and they can dress however they want--but when they do, it's only wise to minimize their other risk factors to compensate. In other words, if you're going to behave in ways that attract a lot of sexual attention from a lot of men (flashing people online), you should not make yourself vulnerable or an easy target (giving away your personal info). Conversely, you're going to behave in ways that make you vulnerable, you shouldn't behave in ways that attract everyone's attention, because a single bad person could target you.
Look at you, right here, contradicting yourself. The cognitive dissonance is amazing. "Women should be able to dress however they want" which I also take as women should be able to express themselves as they see fit (so long as it doesn't harm others, golden rule), and you instantly turn around and say don't make yourself vulnerable because there are bad people and you should live in fear.
No, it's not. The depraved mindset is that of white knights who think it's okay to discourage others from taking responsibility for their own behavior, and in doing so encourage others to put themselves in danger.
I am not whiteknighting this girl. I even said what she did was stupid, from a common sense standpoint -- only that the level of her mistake did not fit the level of repercussions, and quite frankly, anything short of mild embarassment and quick fade into history is too much for something so trivial. I am specifically calling the mindset of people like you abhorrent.
That said, I'd rather be a whiteknight for a bullied, suicidal girl than a pompous know it all who blames her for making a mistake and being extorted and assaulted into suicidal depression.
Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility.
I dunno, I certainly feel bad for the friends and family of the girl, it's Amanda herself that I'm on the fence about. A lot of people like to flock to defend the victim for these types of stories but at the end of the day, if theres anything to be learned, is that it takes two to tango. Fixing the issue involves fixing society as well as growing some skin while you're at it, yet for some reason people react violently when the latter is brought up.
I dunno, I certainly feel bad for the friends and family of the girl, it's Amanda herself that I'm on the fence about. A lot of people like to flock to defend the victim for these types of stories but at the end of the day, if theres anything to be learned, is that it takes two to tango. Fixing the issue involves fixing society as well as growing some skin while you're at it, yet for some reason people react violently when the latter is brought up.
It would've been much better if she had thicker skin and could've coped better with the humiliation rather than take her life. She's not a bad person for being more emotionally frail than you might imagine yourself and others to be.
I dunno, I certainly feel bad for the friends and family of the girl, it's Amanda herself that I'm on the fence about. A lot of people like to flock to defend the victim for these types of stories but at the end of the day, if theres anything to be learned, is that it takes two to tango. Fixing the issue involves fixing society as well as growing some skin while you're at it, yet for some reason people react violently when the latter is brought up.
It would've been much better if she had thicker skin and could've coped better with the humiliation rather than take her life. She's not a bad person for being more emotionally frail than you might imagine yourself and others to be.
I don't like this sensationalist spin on the story, speaking as someone who routinely deals with suicide and depression and exacerbated circumstances there isn't nearly enough information for people to pass judgement on, in particularly the girl herself. We all agree that bullying is unwarranted and horrible, I don't think there is any point to speculate beyond that point on this specific case. Just reflect on it and don't pass on the same social injustices and harms to other people yourself.
Sad story. Could say I've been bullied when I was young and I've also done my share of bullying. Although what this girl faced must of been really hit her hard mentally. The harassment mentioned are very harsh. I guess it isn't easy for teenagers to delete their facebook/social media accounts because they want to stay "cool". But it's what she should've done. Some much can be discussed but no one has the facts.
I guess the parents did do something by changing schools but they should've got her some professional counseling. They should be super overprotecting after the first suicide attempt... Can you imagine your child attempting to commit suicide? I would freak out and do everything I can to make sure it doesn't happen again. We don't know whether or not the parents did go through with help but she never mentions anything about parents.
lots of kids on TL still in grade school. Please treat your peers with respect. If you're doing something to others that you wouldn't do to your own friends/self. Don't do it.
I dunno, I certainly feel bad for the friends and family of the girl, it's Amanda herself that I'm on the fence about. A lot of people like to flock to defend the victim for these types of stories but at the end of the day, if theres anything to be learned, is that it takes two to tango. Fixing the issue involves fixing society as well as growing some skin while you're at it, yet for some reason people react violently when the latter is brought up.
It would've been much better if she had thicker skin and could've coped better with the humiliation rather than take her life. She's not a bad person for being more emotionally frail than you might imagine yourself and others to be.
I don't think she's a bad person, I'm just finding it difficult to feel sorry for her over her friends and family. Also, love the cute passive aggression over the internet.
I dunno, I certainly feel bad for the friends and family of the girl, it's Amanda herself that I'm on the fence about. A lot of people like to flock to defend the victim for these types of stories but at the end of the day, if theres anything to be learned, is that it takes two to tango. Fixing the issue involves fixing society as well as growing some skin while you're at it, yet for some reason people react violently when the latter is brought up.
It would've been much better if she had thicker skin and could've coped better with the humiliation rather than take her life. She's not a bad person for being more emotionally frail than you might imagine yourself and others to be.
I don't think she's a bad person, I'm just finding it difficult to feel sorry for her over her friends and family. Also, love the cute passive aggression over the internet.
It's easy to feel worse for the family now, they're the ones who are having a bad time. But I think if you're honest with yourself you'll give some thought to how she felt before she killed herself. Being healthy ourselves, I bet we can't even imagine what it feels like to be in such emotional pain that suicide seems like the only way to go.
The fact that we can't even imagine it should be a clue about how hard it must have been for us while she was struggling with the idea of suicide. Some people will argue that it was irrational of her, but the fact that her pain may have been irrational doesn't change how intense it felt for her.
I dunno, I certainly feel bad for the friends and family of the girl, it's Amanda herself that I'm on the fence about. A lot of people like to flock to defend the victim for these types of stories but at the end of the day, if theres anything to be learned, is that it takes two to tango. Fixing the issue involves fixing society as well as growing some skin while you're at it, yet for some reason people react violently when the latter is brought up.
It would've been much better if she had thicker skin and could've coped better with the humiliation rather than take her life. She's not a bad person for being more emotionally frail than you might imagine yourself and others to be.
I don't think she's a bad person, I'm just finding it difficult to feel sorry for her over her friends and family. Also, love the cute passive aggression over the internet.
To an extent, it's pointless to feel sorry for the dead -- sympathy is more your own mechanism for coping with a story you have empathy towards, and there's no obligation to ever feel that. It's more about being outraged at the people and the condition of society that allows these things to happen, and the thought processes that waive it off as her fault.
I took a keen eye to you saying thicker skin, though. Until you live her exact situation, that's an unfair statement to make.
By the way, you do realize your last statement itself was cute passive aggression, no? :p
I remember watching that video a while back when it was first posted and I felt so bad for her after watching it I wish that I could have done something. I hope that there are things that can prevent these sort of tragedies but as a society we're doing a pretty bad job at it.
No one should be treated that way, no matter what they've done. It's inhuman. My condolences go out to the family.
On October 13 2012 11:46 Northern_iight wrote: Sad story. Could say I've been bullied when I was young and I've also done my share of bullying. Although what this girl faced must of been really hit her hard mentally. The harassment mentioned are very harsh. I guess it isn't easy for teenagers to delete their facebook/social media accounts because they want to stay "cool". But it's what she should've done. Some much can be discussed but no one has the facts.
I guess the parents did do something by changing schools but they should've got her some professional counseling. They should be super overprotecting after the first suicide attempt... Can you imagine your child attempting to commit suicide? I would freak out and do everything I can to make sure it doesn't happen again. We don't know whether or not the parents did go through with help but she never mentions anything about parents.
lots of kids on TL still in grade school. Please treat your peers with respect. If you're doing something to others that you wouldn't do to your own friends/self. Don't do it.
RIP Amanda Todd
I dont know if it's just me, or if I'll feel like this more when I'm older, but this is always the usual response from most parents and one of the worst responses to make imo. A lot of my friends that went through similar troubles never spoke with their parents because this type of attitude deterred them from doing so. Usually there isn't an issue with the kid, it's that the kid is currently dealing with an issue, they're different. The last thing I'd want to do to make my kid feel less socially awkward is send him/her to a shrink...
i'm sorry but if you can't take people trolling you over the internet, life is going to get insanely harder. it's a shame that she killed herself, but seriously people need to learn that taking anything serious over the internet is not the right way to go about things.
i'm one of those guys who argue with people in youtube comments (about politics and shit) and it's kind of like a hobby for me lol. i don't walk away from the computer "MAN FUCK THIS GUY, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE THINKS THAT". it doesn't affect my actual life in the least.
On October 13 2012 12:06 Silidons wrote: i'm sorry but if you can't take people trolling you over the internet, life is going to get insanely harder. it's a shame that she killed herself, but seriously people need to learn that taking anything serious over the internet is not the right way to go about things.
i'm one of those guys who argue with people in youtube comments (about politics and shit) and it's kind of like a hobby for me lol. i don't walk away from the computer "MAN FUCK THIS GUY, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE THINKS THAT". it doesn't affect my actual life in the least.
She wasn't trolled over the internet. She was ostracized and bullied at school when people found out about her flashing a dude on camera online, and said dude spread it to everyone in her school via social networking. Did you even give the slightest look at the OP?
On October 13 2012 12:06 Silidons wrote: i'm sorry but if you can't take people trolling you over the internet, life is going to get insanely harder. it's a shame that she killed herself, but seriously people need to learn that taking anything serious over the internet is not the right way to go about things.
i'm one of those guys who argue with people in youtube comments (about politics and shit) and it's kind of like a hobby for me lol. i don't walk away from the computer "MAN FUCK THIS GUY, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE THINKS THAT". it doesn't affect my actual life in the least.
......He sent a naked photo of a 14 year old girl to all of her classmates
On October 13 2012 12:06 Silidons wrote: i'm sorry but if you can't take people trolling you over the internet, life is going to get insanely harder. it's a shame that she killed herself, but seriously people need to learn that taking anything serious over the internet is not the right way to go about things.
i'm one of those guys who argue with people in youtube comments (about politics and shit) and it's kind of like a hobby for me lol. i don't walk away from the computer "MAN FUCK THIS GUY, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE THINKS THAT". it doesn't affect my actual life in the least.
She wasn't trolled over the internet. She was ostracized and bullied at school when people found out about her flashing a dude on camera online, and said dude spread it to everyone in her school via social networking. Did you even give the slightest look at the OP?
I don't think he has any comprehension of the situation at all
On October 13 2012 12:06 Silidons wrote: i'm sorry but if you can't take people trolling you over the internet, life is going to get insanely harder. it's a shame that she killed herself, but seriously people need to learn that taking anything serious over the internet is not the right way to go about things.
i'm one of those guys who argue with people in youtube comments (about politics and shit) and it's kind of like a hobby for me lol. i don't walk away from the computer "MAN FUCK THIS GUY, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE THINKS THAT". it doesn't affect my actual life in the least.
She wasn't trolled over the internet. She was ostracized and bullied at school when people found out about her flashing a dude on camera online, and said dude spread it to everyone in her school via social networking. Did you even give the slightest look at the OP?
Yeah Just finished reading the rest, she was in a tough situation, but obviously there could have been a better outcome to all of this. It's hard to get out of a situation like that once you're in it, I would have called the police and have them handle it I suppose.
Actually a similar type of thing happened at my high school few years ago. A picture of a girl from the school was sent to everyone and she was naked, and it got even worse because a friend of mine trolled a substitute teacher because another student had just got their phone taken away by him, and so my friend sent him the picture of that girl and the sub opened it up and looked at it.
I don't think it's the end of the world for nude pictures to get surfaced anymore, I mean it sure would be embarrassing but people need to realize that if you do take nude pictures, either of yourself or letting another take the pictures, chances are other people are going to see them.
Watched the whole video. On the one hand she DID do a lot of stupid things. However, being bullied for many years in the past, i can sympathize. Kids are fucking cruel, and if you make a mistake it just spirals out of control. Everyone is just trying to fit in, and sometimes the easiest way to is by being a dick.
On October 13 2012 12:06 Silidons wrote: i'm sorry but if you can't take people trolling you over the internet, life is going to get insanely harder. it's a shame that she killed herself, but seriously people need to learn that taking anything serious over the internet is not the right way to go about things.
i'm one of those guys who argue with people in youtube comments (about politics and shit) and it's kind of like a hobby for me lol. i don't walk away from the computer "MAN FUCK THIS GUY, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE THINKS THAT". it doesn't affect my actual life in the least.
She wasn't trolled over the internet. She was ostracized and bullied at school when people found out about her flashing a dude on camera online, and said dude spread it to everyone in her school via social networking. Did you even give the slightest look at the OP?
Yeah Just finished reading the rest, she was in a tough situation, but obviously there could have been a better outcome to all of this. It's hard to get out of a situation like that once you're in it, I would have called the police and have them handle it I suppose.
Actually a similar type of thing happened at my high school few years ago. A picture of a girl from the school was sent to everyone and she was naked, and it got even worse because a friend of mine trolled a substitute teacher because another student had just got their phone taken away by him, and so my friend sent him the picture of that girl and the sub opened it up and looked at it.
I don't think it's the end of the world for nude pictures to get surfaced anymore, I mean it sure would be embarrassing but people need to realize that if you do take nude pictures, either of yourself or letting another take the pictures, chances are other people are going to see them.
Obviously. Hindsight is always 20-20 as they say. The fact of the matter is that the bullying lead to this, whether or not the correct decision was made is besides the point. Attacking the disease and not the symptoms is what needs to happen here.
I dunno, I certainly feel bad for the friends and family of the girl, it's Amanda herself that I'm on the fence about. A lot of people like to flock to defend the victim for these types of stories but at the end of the day, if theres anything to be learned, is that it takes two to tango. Fixing the issue involves fixing society as well as growing some skin while you're at it, yet for some reason people react violently when the latter is brought up.
It would've been much better if she had thicker skin and could've coped better with the humiliation rather than take her life. She's not a bad person for being more emotionally frail than you might imagine yourself and others to be.
I don't think she's a bad person, I'm just finding it difficult to feel sorry for her over her friends and family. Also, love the cute passive aggression over the internet.
I think your view is messed up and delusional. I also don't know what you mean by friends, she had none. You'd kill yourself if you were the last man on earth.
if i read correctly, it looks like she wasnt happy in her school to begin with, and it was easier to move schools and then move again because people saw her (single, pretty dull/standard) topless pic. so i gather she or her father might have already had plans to leave town/the school , it wasnt all to do with the picture - probably she was already lonely, had few friends, and thought she could do better off elsewhere regardless.
moving a second time is weird, because people finding out at your new school that you have one (VERY tame) topless pic is hardly enough to ruin your life or have any impact whatsoever really. so it seems like they jumped the gun and had plans to move out of town anyway here.
ps young girls camming is really common, by no means necessarily an abusive event, no more than them choosing to wear skirts and heels and showing off irl. its freakin weird how the pic leaked, either it came through 4chan or that asshole really did threaten her and follow through with his threat.
whether they left the schools/town because they thought she was being stalked irl was not indicated so i would rule that out.
she now mentions alcohol, but it doesnt come up again. i would have said alcohol was a huge contributing factor to someones depression and demise, but she doesnt mention it more than that tiny reference. alcoholics will definately hide the fact that they are alcoholic and that it affects them greatly, but i dont necessarily see her becoming alcoholic as a loner 14-15yo who lives with parent and goes to school. so i feel like ruling out alcohol too
now the really messed up shit starts and follows with her suicide attempt. i think everything up until now feels to me like she is coping alright on the whole. so a tame nude got shown, its really tame... she moved schools, i think she was going to anyway...
but now she gets into a sexual and emotional relationship. this is the killer, for everyone. falling in love, being heartbroken. this is enough to really FUCK with someone. everything that happened before is irrelevent. now throw in a traumatic event of being beaten up with the dire trauma of heartbreak and betrayal...this alone is a recipe for danger
to the girl, her whole life story is relevent, it shows all her pain bit by bit. she wanted to show all the miserable things that happened to her.
BUT to the relevence of her suicidal state, the whole crap about the nude pic, stalker, changing schools, i think is negligable. you can cut all that out from the story.
it boils down to , lonely new girl at school gets heartfucked and beaten up (which makes the heartfucking worse).
as for the following facebook shit? well thats horrible. she was heartfucked and physically beaten and emotionally ravaged. her suicide was the direct result of that small group of people who done those actions.
its nothing to do with "the internet" or any other dumb shit people are talking about for some reason. most people can survive getting heartbroken, but compound it with being beaten and tormented when you are at your emotionally weakest and in absolute despair, it is easy to be pushed to the point of no return. throw in isolation/loneliness (and mayyybe alcohol) then its practically likely that a person would not survive.
I dunno, I certainly feel bad for the friends and family of the girl, it's Amanda herself that I'm on the fence about. A lot of people like to flock to defend the victim for these types of stories but at the end of the day, if theres anything to be learned, is that it takes two to tango. Fixing the issue involves fixing society as well as growing some skin while you're at it, yet for some reason people react violently when the latter is brought up.
It would've been much better if she had thicker skin and could've coped better with the humiliation rather than take her life. She's not a bad person for being more emotionally frail than you might imagine yourself and others to be.
I don't think she's a bad person, I'm just finding it difficult to feel sorry for her over her friends and family. Also, love the cute passive aggression over the internet.
I think your view is messed up and delusional. I also don't know what you mean by friends, she had none. You'd kill yourself if you were the last man on earth.
Lol, well thanks for sharing? I dont know what that last part has to do with anything, cut the hyperbole.
the death is sad buyt the blame goes just as much to her as everyone else. anyone raised even half right gets warned about the interwebs and not giving out info.. she did EVERYTHING i would hate my daughter for. i want boys for this very reason. im sorry i sound harsh but.. its not their fault she put herself in that position. they didnt have to take advantage of it but they did. and she killed herself over a mistake she made.. lesson learned for others hopfully... yet hundreds of other girls will find themselfs in the same spot
On October 13 2012 12:52 TapetalKarma wrote: the death is sad buyt the blame goes just as much to her as everyone else.
No she isn't, this is absurd to say.
anyone raised even half right gets warned about the interwebs and not giving out info.. she did EVERYTHING i would hate my daughter for. i want boys for this very reason.
Sexist follow up. Do not raise your children to believe it's right to blame victims for being abused. You would also be a horrible parent if you HATED your daughter for showing her breasts on the internet. That's an astounding lack of compassion and understanding of adolescent sexuality.
im sorry i sound harsh but..
It's not about being harsh, it's about stating an opinion that's backwards, unfair, and misogynistic.
its not their fault she put herself in that position. they didnt have to take advantage of it but they did.
There is no position she put herself in. It is entirely the actions of the culpable that creates the horrific position.
and she killed herself over a mistake she made..
Teenage girls do not kill themselves because they showed their breasts to one person. They kill themselves because society shames, ostracizes and extorts them for doing something so trivial.
lesson learned for others hopfully... yet hundreds of other girls will find themselfs in the same spot
You need to seriously rethink how you view both women and criminals.
On October 13 2012 04:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: No matter how many mistakes she made nothing can ever justify extortion of a kid. By the time she hooked up with that guy she was probably completely messed up already.
I agree. We all make mistakes, and she did several relatively minor mistakes. If you are making a minor mistake, you should be given a second chance. If it does not happen, then all those who refuse to give you a second chance or don't offer enough help are guilty as well.
On October 13 2012 12:52 TapetalKarma wrote: the death is sad buyt the blame goes just as much to her as everyone else. anyone raised even half right gets warned about the interwebs and not giving out info.. she did EVERYTHING i would hate my daughter for. i want boys for this very reason. im sorry i sound harsh but.. its not their fault she put herself in that position. they didnt have to take advantage of it but they did. and she killed herself over a mistake she made.. lesson learned for others hopfully... yet hundreds of other girls will find themselfs in the same spot
well she fucked someone's guy. it was a mistake because the girl she crossed killed her. a real tragedy. if she was stabbed with a knife out of revenge then it would be no different.
Sickening that people have to bring someone to the point of suicide just to make themselves feel better about their own insecurities, it really baffles me as to what is so fucking hard about just being nice to one another even if you have your differences. I both deal with and see shit like this in everyday life and the frightening thought of it all is that it's only getting worse and worse despite all the awareness and attention being raised to this issue. Honesty both adults and teenagers need to grow the fuck up and stop treating each other like such garbage, this generation as a whole is losing the little bit of kindness it had to begin with and trading it for the means to fit in and feel good about themselves at the expense of others.
The fact that people are blaming this girl for her outcome are obviously quiet oblivious to what depression is and can do to you, everyone makes mistakes and no one is perfect but to have your whole god damn life ruined over one small feeble mistake is sickening. FYI everyone gets horny and does stupid things because of it, it's part of life. It's sad that most girls will never know men to be anything but abusive assholes and pricks who are just using them. Humanity as a whole is supposed to progressing forward in evolution but when I read about shit like this it seems quiet the opposite.
On October 13 2012 13:43 Bippzy wrote: This is the "Lord of the Flies" Theory proving itself again and again.
Kids will be kids, and we shouldn't let them.(Right Guys? Right? It wasn't her fault...right?)
Definitely not entirely. She's the one who committed the final act, yes, but the things leading to it were the fault of others. What are you trying to say, that there's nothing we can even try to do in order to prevent these things from happening? I don't get it.
Just because it's typical for youngin's to be cruel doesn't mean that we should let little girls suffer this much because of it.
He was trying to confirm with the audience (us) that she is not to blame, and then questions himself because there is a large portion of replies in this thread that blame her for the things that happened.
He specifically said kids will be kids (evil, hateful, hurtful beings), and that we shouldn't let them [be kids].
On October 13 2012 14:15 TwoToneTerran wrote: He was trying to confirm with the audience (us) that she is not to blame, and then questions himself because there is a large portion of replys in this thread that blame her for the things that happened.
He specifically said kids will be kids (evil, hateful, hurtful beings), and that we shouldn't let them [be kids].
His writing style confused me I guess. "It wasn't her fault...right?" seemed sarcastic to my eye.
On October 13 2012 14:15 TwoToneTerran wrote: He was trying to confirm with the audience (us) that she is not to blame, and then questions himself because there is a large portion of replies in this thread that blame her for the things that happened.
He specifically said kids will be kids (evil, hateful, hurtful beings), and that we shouldn't let them [be kids].
Kids are selfish lazy bastards at a young age and we have to make them understand that they have to be nice to each other to function in a society. This works by forcing them to get used to doing things they dont like and to do things for others although the word "force" can go to the wrong extremes it doesnt have to.
Sadly however - since the '68 revolution - there has been a different trend in letting "kids be kids" and to allow them their freedom to develop themselves. This is all bullshit, because the childs selfishness will not unlearn itself and it is easiest to learn these things in a young age. Sure, some kids learn to be nice to others by themselves, but most dont. The worst kinds of selfish idiots then become financial managers to become rich by treating others poorly and thus ruin all our lives.
On October 13 2012 06:52 -Switch- wrote: i wish i could find that son of a bitch that blackmailed her
Yeah that fucker needs to be shot in the head, he definitely seemed like an adult. I'd do it with no remorse. Some people just don't deserve to be part of the human race.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Agreed.
As someone who has went through something similar and experienced depression, believe me suicide is by no means stupid, juvenile and selfish. Trust me if you live in total social isolation because your afraid of being mistreated, unfairly judged, and bullied your options seem to be very limited and almost anyone would pull the plug at that point. Please don't talk down on things you know nothing about.
Hello! Ive decided to tell you about my never ending story In 7th grade I would go with friends on webcam meet and talk to new people. Then got called stunning, beautiful, perfect, etc Then wanted me to flash... So I did... 1 year later... I got a msg on facebook From him... Don't know how he knew me.. It said... If you don't put on a show for me I will send ur boobs He knew my adress. School, relatives, friends family names. Christmas break.... Knock at my door at 4am... It was the police... my photo was sent to everyone I then got really sick and got... Anxiety, major deppresion and panic disorder I then moved and got into Drugs + Alcohol .... My anxiety got worse... couldn't go out A year past and the guy came back with my new list of friends and school. But made a facebook page My boobs were his profile pic... Cried every night, lost all my friends and respect people had for me... again... Then nobody liked me name calling, Judged... I can never get that photo back It's out there forever... I started cutting... I promised myself never again... Didn't have any friends and I sat at lunch alone So I moved Schools again.... Everything was better even though I sat still alone at lunch in the library everyday. After a month later I stated talking to an old guy friend We back and fourth texted and he started to say he.. Liked me...Led me on.. He had a girlfriend then he said come over my gf's on vacation So I did... huge mistake.... He hooked up with me.... I thought he liked me.... 1 week later I get a text get our of your school His girlfriend and 15 others came including Hiself... The girl and 2 others just said look around nobody likes you Infront of my new school (50) people... A guy than yelled just punch her already So she did.. She threw me to the ground a punched me several times Kids filmed it. I was all alone and left on the ground. I felt like a joke in this world... I thought nobody deserves this :/ I was alone..I lied and said it was my fault and my idea I didn't want him getting hurt, I thought he really liked me but he just wanted the sex... Someone yelled punch her already Teachers ran over but I just went and layed in a ditch and my dad found me. I wanted to die so bad... when he brought me home I drank bleach... It killed me inside and I thought I was gonna actully die Ambulence came and brought me to the hospital and flushed me After I got home all I saw was on facebook - She deserved it, did you wash the mud out of your hair? = I hope shes dead. nobody cared... I moved away to another city to my moms another school... I didnt wanna press charged because I wanted to move on. 6 months has gone by... people are posting the pics of bleach, clorex and ditches tagging me... I was doing alot better too... They said... She should try a different bleach, I hope she dies this time and isn't so stupid. They said I hope she sees this and kills herself. Why do I get this? I messed up but why follow me. I left your guys city... Im constanty crying now.. Everyday I think why am I still here? My anxiety is horrible now.. never went out this summer All from my past.. lifes never getting better.. cant go to school meet or be with people... constantly cutting. Im really depressed Im on anti deppresants now and councelling and a month ago this summer I overdosed... in hospital for 2 days Im stuck... whats left of me now... nothing stops I have nobody... I need someone =( my name is Amanda Todd....
Guy compliments her and asks for boob picture, she complies
Picture spreads
Depression, starts drugs and alcohol, new school new friends
Guy makes facebook account with boobs as profile pic
Loses friends again, starts cutting herself
Changes school again, hooks up with former male friend, has sex even though he has girlfriend
The girlfriend comes with 15 other people to new school and beats her up
Attempts suicide by drinking bleach, fails, moves city into new school
People still find her, tell her to kill herself, and not to fail the next time.
Her video comment during the posting of the video (she commits suicide 1 month later) + Show Spoiler +
I'm struggling to stay in this world, because everything just touches me so deeply. I'm not doing this for attention. I'm doing this to be an inspiration and to show that I can be strong. I did things to myself to make pain go away, because I'd rather hurt myself then someone else. Haters are haters but please don't hate, although im sure I'll get them. I hope I can show you guys that everyone has a story, and everyones future will be bright one day, you just gotta pull through. I'm still here aren't I ?
-AmandaTodd
Thanks for this and her youtube comment about still being here is the saddest one Read all comments, sad to see that a lot put the blame on her. Yes, she made mistakes with the flashing and hooking up with the guy but its safe to say that when she hooked up with him, she was emotionally fragile and needed someone and if what she says is true, she thought he liked her and such. Not trying to justify her decision to have sex with him but it looks like she was led on. Poor thing, depression and anxiety are really hard to deal with and suicide is no laughing matter either. RIP Amanda
On October 13 2012 12:06 Silidons wrote: i'm sorry but if you can't take people trolling you over the internet, life is going to get insanely harder. it's a shame that she killed herself, but seriously people need to learn that taking anything serious over the internet is not the right way to go about things.
i'm one of those guys who argue with people in youtube comments (about politics and shit) and it's kind of like a hobby for me lol. i don't walk away from the computer "MAN FUCK THIS GUY, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE THINKS THAT". it doesn't affect my actual life in the least.
User was banned for this post.
You don't even understand how it ruined her life. I'm glad you were banned.
This was on /r/4chan, not sure if there was anything else. Too scared to go on real 4chan hehe
Hot damn it was worse than I thought based on this photo. This makes my school look like the happiest, most tolerant community on Earth in comparison. These kids need help.
I still stand neutrally on Amanda's death however.
Indeed, this kind of shit is downright depressing...
I still don't understand why this asshole/stalker guy who was harassing her and extorting her for a "show" isn't in jail right now. I'm pretty sure that's entirely illegal not even mentioning the fact that this was a 13 yr old girl. And then sending her pic to all her friends... wtf isn't this distributing kiddie porn? If her family doesn't at the very least hire some private investigator to figure this out, they're just pathetic.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
This. There are always hundreds of different ways to solve problems and suicide is by far the most retarded one. And also to people who will claim that there's nothing you can do if you are being bullied, you are a flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society. There's always a way if you want it to be.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
This. There are always hundreds of different ways to solve problems and suicide is by far the most retarded one. And also to people who will claim that there's nothing you can do if you are being bullied, you are a flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society. There's always a way if you want it to be.
If you're being bullied by just a couple people sure, but if everyone around you ostracizes you even after repeatedly moving schools/town, I'm not sure what she could have done. I haven't been in her position and not many people can honestly say they have, so unless you can speak from personal experience I don't see how she could stop the bullying.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
This. There are always hundreds of different ways to solve problems and suicide is by far the most retarded one. And also to people who will claim that there's nothing you can do if you are being bullied, you are a flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society. There's always a way if you want it to be.
If you're being bullied by just a couple people sure, but if everyone around you ostracizes you even after repeatedly moving schools/town, I'm not sure what she could have done. I haven't been in her position and not many people can honestly say they have, so unless you can speak from personal experience I don't see how she could stop the bullying.
Well the first thing she could have done was to not kill herself because that's the most retarded thing you can do. Also do you honestly believe that all people in the world hated on her or it was just her perception. I believe the second is way more possible. She was obviously mentally deranged and it was her parents fault not to find her a proper treatment. đ
Also she was camwhoring at 13.
Karma police. This is what you get when you mess with us.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
This. There are always hundreds of different ways to solve problems and suicide is by far the most retarded one. And also to people who will claim that there's nothing you can do if you are being bullied, you are a flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society. There's always a way if you want it to be.
If you're being bullied by just a couple people sure, but if everyone around you ostracizes you even after repeatedly moving schools/town, I'm not sure what she could have done. I haven't been in her position and not many people can honestly say they have, so unless you can speak from personal experience I don't see how she could stop the bullying.
Well the first thing she could have done was to not kill herself because that's the most retarded thing you can do. Also do you honestly believe that all people in the world hated on her or it was just her perception. I believe the second is way more possible. She was obviously mentally deranged and it was her parents fault not to find her a proper treatment. đ
Also she was camwhoring at 13.
Karma police. This is what you get when you mess with us.
I think people really did hate her. Just look at some of the comments on her Youtube video, esp the ones from people who claim to live near her. So no, I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
Who cares that she cam whored at 13? Seemed like it was just a mistake, kids are dumb
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
This. There are always hundreds of different ways to solve problems and suicide is by far the most retarded one. And also to people who will claim that there's nothing you can do if you are being bullied, you are a flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society. There's always a way if you want it to be.
If you're being bullied by just a couple people sure, but if everyone around you ostracizes you even after repeatedly moving schools/town, I'm not sure what she could have done. I haven't been in her position and not many people can honestly say they have, so unless you can speak from personal experience I don't see how she could stop the bullying.
Well the first thing she could have done was to not kill herself because that's the most retarded thing you can do. Also do you honestly believe that all people in the world hated on her or it was just her perception. I believe the second is way more possible. She was obviously mentally deranged and it was her parents fault not to find her a proper treatment. đ
Also she was camwhoring at 13.
Karma police. This is what you get when you mess with us.
I think people really did hate her. Just look at some of the comments on her Youtube video, esp the ones from people who claim to live near her. So no, I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
I have enough fate in human society that I believe that all people didn't hate her and if you really think differently you are free to make youtube video with slides about it and take a stairway to heaven. Earth must be a really cold place for you.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
This. There are always hundreds of different ways to solve problems and suicide is by far the most retarded one. And also to people who will claim that there's nothing you can do if you are being bullied, you are a flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society. There's always a way if you want it to be.
If you're being bullied by just a couple people sure, but if everyone around you ostracizes you even after repeatedly moving schools/town, I'm not sure what she could have done. I haven't been in her position and not many people can honestly say they have, so unless you can speak from personal experience I don't see how she could stop the bullying.
Well the first thing she could have done was to not kill herself because that's the most retarded thing you can do. Also do you honestly believe that all people in the world hated on her or it was just her perception. I believe the second is way more possible. She was obviously mentally deranged and it was her parents fault not to find her a proper treatment. đ
Also she was camwhoring at 13.
Karma police. This is what you get when you mess with us.
I think people really did hate her. Just look at some of the comments on her Youtube video, esp the ones from people who claim to live near her. So no, I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
I have enough fate in human society that I believe that all people didn't hate her and if you really think differently you are free to make youtube video with slides about it and take a stairway to heaven. Earth must be a really cold place for you.
I never said that "all" people hated her, just that enough of them did that the average person didn't want to interact with her. I think this much is obvious. This has nothing to do with "faith" in human society just read the comments yourself.
And what the f*** is wrong with you, why are you harping about me now. I think differently from you so you think I should kill myself too? Is that to make yourself feel better? Kindly go f*** yourself. People who think like you don't even deserve to breath the air in this world.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
This. There are always hundreds of different ways to solve problems and suicide is by far the most retarded one. And also to people who will claim that there's nothing you can do if you are being bullied, you are a flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society. There's always a way if you want it to be.
If you're being bullied by just a couple people sure, but if everyone around you ostracizes you even after repeatedly moving schools/town, I'm not sure what she could have done. I haven't been in her position and not many people can honestly say they have, so unless you can speak from personal experience I don't see how she could stop the bullying.
Well the first thing she could have done was to not kill herself because that's the most retarded thing you can do. Also do you honestly believe that all people in the world hated on her or it was just her perception. I believe the second is way more possible. She was obviously mentally deranged and it was her parents fault not to find her a proper treatment. đ
Also she was camwhoring at 13.
Karma police. This is what you get when you mess with us.
I think people really did hate her. Just look at some of the comments on her Youtube video, esp the ones from people who claim to live near her. So no, I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
I have enough fate in human society that I believe that all people didn't hate her and if you really think differently you are free to make youtube video with slides about it and take a stairway to heaven. Earth must be a really cold place for you.
Not to be cynical but just observing things in my everyday life I feel like people mainly the younger generation really are just terrible people
It's horrible that she died, and the only reasonable way to prevent such incidents from occurring in the future is to educate children of internet age about how to protect themselves online. The alternative is censorship, which opens up a can of worms that I don't think anyone is prepared to deal with. I hate to say things like this because it sounds like blaming the victim, but the point of governance is to protect people with the maximum amount of efficiency and the minimum restriction on elemental freedoms. In this case, the path of least resistance is making sure that our children understand how to be safe on the internet. This doesn't just apply to things like keeping your identity and compromising information secret, but also to things like not clicking on suspicious links, what scams look like, and so on. This is all very important information in, well, the information age. Just like we had to teach kids to look both ways before they cross the street when cars got introduced, now we have to teach them to be careful online.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
This. There are always hundreds of different ways to solve problems and suicide is by far the most retarded one. And also to people who will claim that there's nothing you can do if you are being bullied, you are a flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society. There's always a way if you want it to be.
You realize you just said a 15 year old who was both physically and mentally assaulted, made the most "retarded" choice out of hundreds of choices? Just read that over to yourself a couple of times and really comprehend what you've posted on a public forum. Quite fucking clearly from the perspective of an adult who isn't being bullied there are other options for a girl like Amanda, but she was 15, with a broken family and no friends... So before you call others "flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society", maybe you should learn to be more empathetic. And ffs show some respect for the dead, asshole.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
This. There are always hundreds of different ways to solve problems and suicide is by far the most retarded one. And also to people who will claim that there's nothing you can do if you are being bullied, you are a flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society. There's always a way if you want it to be.
If you're being bullied by just a couple people sure, but if everyone around you ostracizes you even after repeatedly moving schools/town, I'm not sure what she could have done. I haven't been in her position and not many people can honestly say they have, so unless you can speak from personal experience I don't see how she could stop the bullying.
Well the first thing she could have done was to not kill herself because that's the most retarded thing you can do. Also do you honestly believe that all people in the world hated on her or it was just her perception. I believe the second is way more possible. She was obviously mentally deranged and it was her parents fault not to find her a proper treatment. đ
Also she was camwhoring at 13.
Karma police. This is what you get when you mess with us.
So true. Come over here to Vancouver and share your views. We'll see what karma does.
It's highly amusing that people talk about her or her parents taking 'responsibility' but don't seem to care if people that harassed her, beat her or tried to extort a fourteen year-old girl are held accountable for their actions.
People like this have their heads so far up their fucking asses that their sense of self-superiority must smell like shit.
On October 13 2012 17:15 pookadin wrote: I read in a Reddit post comments from kids who went to her school and neighboring schools, that they are having a party to celebrate her death. WTF..
Wow, if that's true I have never heard of kids being any more evil than that. What is the most shocking to me is that these kids are around 14-18 years old, that's just twisted. Sometimes I wish I believed in hell, or something similar, because clearly some people deserve it.
On October 13 2012 17:15 pookadin wrote: I read in a Reddit post comments from kids who went to her school and neighboring schools, that they are having a party to celebrate her death. WTF..
On October 13 2012 17:15 pookadin wrote: I read in a Reddit post comments from kids who went to her school and neighboring schools, that they are having a party to celebrate her death. WTF..
Wow, if that's true I have never heard of kids being any more evil than that. What is the most shocking to me is that these kids are around 14-18 years old, that's just twisted. Sometimes I wish I believed in hell, or something similar, because clearly some people deserve it.
If this "party" goes down lets just say what comes around will come around with an iron fist.
On October 13 2012 17:15 pookadin wrote: I read in a Reddit post comments from kids who went to her school and neighboring schools, that they are having a party to celebrate her death. WTF..
I would very much like a source on that. That's something very, VERY extreme, and I'm tentative to take it without some evidence.
If it is true, I'm liable to say something just as extreme in return.
On October 13 2012 17:15 pookadin wrote: I read in a Reddit post comments from kids who went to her school and neighboring schools, that they are having a party to celebrate her death. WTF..
I would very much like a source on that. That's something very, VERY extreme, and I'm tentative to take it without some evidence.
If it is true, I'm liable to say something just as extreme in return.
Not sure how reputable reddit is as a source..but with the all kinds of fucked up around this story it sounds about right =/
[–]mr_unsatisfied 51 points 9 hours ago This poor girl lived a few blocks away from my mothers house. She was threatened to show her body on webcam or else have her photos plastered all over the school. This is how aggressive kids have gotten over the years. I will give the name of the school were she was bullied so some of these kids can get it through their heads that this is not funny. Dr. Charles Best Secondary school. Just to give you a sense at how messed up some of these kids are, they had a party when they found out she hung herself! Schools are afraid to discipline these kinds of actions, because of potential law suits from the parents. The police seem to turn their heads to such activity in the schools. We have to realize that they will be the future drug dealers on the streets if there is no drastic punishment for these types of serious actions. Bullying will not go away if we let them do as they wish in the hallways! RIP Amanda Todd and to everyone that partied after her death, your time will come that someone will party when you kill yourself as well!
[–]exleyman 1 point 1 hour ago The party is tonight, I heard about it at school this morning.
On October 13 2012 17:15 pookadin wrote: I read in a Reddit post comments from kids who went to her school and neighboring schools, that they are having a party to celebrate her death. WTF..
Holy shit... So i graduated highschool 2 years ago on the outskirts of Vancouver. When we had the scandal in our school the police and our vice principal were legally allowed to hack into accounts to find the nude picture of the lgs. I can't imagine this kind of shit going on. Like the talks of her attempted suicide and this party. I can't imagine it at all.
We had next to no bullying in my year. Some people got a bit of ribbing after parties (making out with someone, passing out, getting way too drunk) but it was 99% just friendly joking. Most of our grad class were all friendly with each other and this was a class of 100+ people. This is just unreal...
No one is blaming the victim. If you leave a hundred dollar bill, sunglasses, aftermarket radio, laptop, goldbricks sitting visible in your car in a high high crime rate area is that not incredibly stupid? Your putting yourself at so much risk. No carhoppet would just get off with saying He was asking for it! That's not what anyone is saying and it's an incredibly pathetic white knight straw man. Sadly you cannot do things like this in reality without a possible consequence because there are fucking disgusting human beings out there. Plugging your ears and going Lalalalalalalala doesn't help anyone.
What people are saying is that there needs to better education for parents and for children to efficiently as possible reduce the risk. The parents and the administration were pathetic. If this girl was being bullied this badly publicly neither clearly did not do their jobs properly. The adminstrarion should have noticed these issues bullying on Facebook is incredibly obvious and if the death celebrations on the attempted suicide should have been a massive sign. Look at that fucking comment on her YouTube "I can't hang on anylonger". How do you miss these massive signs if your keeping a close eye on this clearly troubled poor girl as they should have been when she was already a fucking suicide threat.
You can argue from a fantasy land where your actions dont increase your chance of being a victim of crime but when you hide allyour expensive shit in your car you should think of this post.
On October 13 2012 04:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: No matter how many mistakes she made nothing can ever justify extortion of a kid. By the time she hooked up with that guy she was probably completely messed up already.
Extortion is only part of the problem. Don't forget that people everywhere, her school, community, etc., attacked her for it. No one even sympathized with her or felt the need to help her and stop the bullying. I am baffled that none of the authorities knew about it. We live in a sick society.
I think I will hold my tongue for now. It is very possible that this is not the case, and as such I don't want to make any inflammatory remarks, no matter how harsh my judgment of such things can be.
On October 13 2012 17:11 knOxStarcraft wrote: You realize you just said a 15 year old who was both physically and mentally assaulted, made the most "retarded" choice out of hundreds of choices? Just read that over to yourself a couple of times and really comprehend what you've posted on a public forum. Quite fucking clearly from the perspective of an adult who isn't being bullied there are other options for a girl like Amanda, but she was 15, with a broken family and no friends... So before you call others "flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society", maybe you should learn to be more empathetic. And ffs show some respect for the dead, asshole.
lolz at you people white knighting a dead girl on a starcraft forum. I can't feel empathy for someone who take their own life, might be because of my religious views or because of the way I was raised up and I especially can't feel empathy for a 13 years old camwhore.
A kid dies in Africa because of hunger every 27 seconds. We should have empathy for them. They didn't have a choice or a chance. She had both and she was too retarded to see it.
Allow me to start with how very unfortunate and sad it is that this young girl has committed suicide.
However we have a very tinted version of the story and I want you all to remember that. Yes her bullies were very much in the wrong and that is beyond doubt. But I think Amanda Todd is much less someone who was severely depressed, more a teenager that got herself into a state over the events that occurred and made a decision to end her life in the heat of the moment.
What stood out at me was how everyone seemed to suddenly know that she drank bleach in the aftermath to the public humiliation, at her new school from the boy she liked and his girlfriend (shown by their posting of stuff like "she should have drunk a better bleach"). Yes these comments are absolutely out of order, but you wonder whether Amanda had said to people "I drank bleach to attempt suicide"? Whether she had a reputation at the school for attention seeking, being a whore (whether justified or not, we don't know all the facts) and anything else.
Remember I'm not condoning the actions of the bullies whatsoever, I just wonder how much Amanda brought the bullying on herself and whether she took her life irrationally and without proper thought. Feel free to disagree with me, I just request that you do it in a composed manner and with solid facts.
At the video she said she did drugs and alcohol, isnt it right? And she was showing boobs online? Teenagers like this makes me more sick than anything else. Behaving like brats and screaming YOLO and SWAG. For me she is just another spoiled kid and her family is to blame for raising her this way. I am really suprised people give her sympathy. People die everyday and there are kids way younger than this girl who works their ass of every single day for food and you want me to feel sorry for this girl just because she was on the news? No way in hell.
On October 13 2012 17:11 knOxStarcraft wrote: You realize you just said a 15 year old who was both physically and mentally assaulted, made the most "retarded" choice out of hundreds of choices? Just read that over to yourself a couple of times and really comprehend what you've posted on a public forum. Quite fucking clearly from the perspective of an adult who isn't being bullied there are other options for a girl like Amanda, but she was 15, with a broken family and no friends... So before you call others "flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society", maybe you should learn to be more empathetic. And ffs show some respect for the dead, asshole.
lolz at you people white knighting a dead girl on a starcraft forum. I can't feel empathy for someone who take their own life, might be because of my religious views or because of the way I was raised up and I especially can't feel empathy for a 13 years old camwhore.
A kid dies in Africa because of hunger every 27 seconds. We should have empathy for them. They didn't have a choice or a chance. She had both and she was too retarded to see it.
If you can't feel empathy for a 15 year old who made some mistakes, and killed herself, then you're a sick, sick human being.
Maybe I was 100% oblivious but my high school experience was incredibly tame. I can't imagine an entire school going against someone for sharing naked photos of someone. It has been 6 years since I was in high school but damn have things really changed that much?
On October 13 2012 17:11 knOxStarcraft wrote: You realize you just said a 15 year old who was both physically and mentally assaulted, made the most "retarded" choice out of hundreds of choices? Just read that over to yourself a couple of times and really comprehend what you've posted on a public forum. Quite fucking clearly from the perspective of an adult who isn't being bullied there are other options for a girl like Amanda, but she was 15, with a broken family and no friends... So before you call others "flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society", maybe you should learn to be more empathetic. And ffs show some respect for the dead, asshole.
lolz at you people white knighting a dead girl on a starcraft forum. I can't feel empathy for someone who take their own life, might be because of my religious views or because of the way I was raised up and I especially can't feel empathy for a 13 years old camwhore.
A kid dies in Africa because of hunger every 27 seconds. We should have empathy for them. They didn't have a choice or a chance. She had both and she was too retarded to see it.
If you can't feel empathy for a 15 year old who made some mistakes, and killed herself, then you're a sick, sick human being.
Dude mistake at 15 y/o is when you forget your homework at home, when you don't prepare enough for test at school or when you dont do the dishes before your parents come back from work. If you do drugs, drink alcohol and show your body to strangers online, what do you expect seriously
On October 13 2012 17:11 knOxStarcraft wrote: You realize you just said a 15 year old who was both physically and mentally assaulted, made the most "retarded" choice out of hundreds of choices? Just read that over to yourself a couple of times and really comprehend what you've posted on a public forum. Quite fucking clearly from the perspective of an adult who isn't being bullied there are other options for a girl like Amanda, but she was 15, with a broken family and no friends... So before you call others "flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society", maybe you should learn to be more empathetic. And ffs show some respect for the dead, asshole.
lolz at you people white knighting a dead girl on a starcraft forum. I can't feel empathy for someone who take their own life, might be because of my religious views or because of the way I was raised up and I especially can't feel empathy for a 13 years old camwhore.
A kid dies in Africa because of hunger every 27 seconds. We should have empathy for them. They didn't have a choice or a chance. She had both and she was too retarded to see it.
If you can't feel empathy for a 15 year old who made some mistakes, and killed herself, then you're a sick, sick human being.
Dude mistake at 15 y/o is when you forget your homework at home, when you don't prepare enough for test at school or when you dont do the dishes before your parents come back from work. If you do drugs, drink alcohol and show your body to strangers online, what do you expect seriously
I'm sure she didn't expect to be stalked and fucking bullied to death; is that what you think someone should expect? And do you even know what empathy means?
On October 13 2012 17:59 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: Maybe I was 100% oblivious but my high school experience was incredibly tame. I can't imagine an entire school going against someone for sharing naked photos of someone. It has been 6 years since I was in high school but damn have things really changed that much?
It may be certain districts + relation to socioeconomical status as well. My school down in Australia was one of the best with pretty much a near 95% of people getting into University, and we were relatively tight-knit, but I've heard of schools in lower SES areas that have nearly a 50% drop-out rate after Year 10
EDIT: And some people need to get priorities right, or learn to say "It's sad that a girl has lost her life" and say nothing more after that. Post things in what you would say in real life
On October 13 2012 17:38 Smug wrote: However we have a very tinted version of the story and I want you all to remember that. Yes her bullies were very much in the wrong and that is beyond doubt. But I think Amanda Todd is much less someone who was severely depressed, more a teenager that got herself into a state over the events that occurred and made a decision to end her life in the heat of the moment.
"In the heat of the moment"? This went on long enough for her to switch schools and move multiple times. With no friends, severe depression, relentless hate that followed her wherever she went, and no hope to move on from her mistakes, do you really think she simply worked herself up and just kinda decided to commit suicide?
As for my thoughts, I think she was stupid and did stupid things, but I can sort of see that if she had no friends and nobody who liked her at all, combined with her damaged mental health, she would've definitely been easily manipulated by the guy she ended up sleeping with. It's a combination of teenage stupidity, loneliness and desperation. Yes, a retarded move to make, but explainable.
More importantly, these people are disgusting wastes of space and it makes me sick. Won't anything happen to them? I hope to god there are consequences for them.
Any death like this is tragic, and those who can't feel even a shred of empathy because people dying is commonplace or because there are deaths in Africa every few seconds are fast losing respect from me.
On October 13 2012 17:11 knOxStarcraft wrote: You realize you just said a 15 year old who was both physically and mentally assaulted, made the most "retarded" choice out of hundreds of choices? Just read that over to yourself a couple of times and really comprehend what you've posted on a public forum. Quite fucking clearly from the perspective of an adult who isn't being bullied there are other options for a girl like Amanda, but she was 15, with a broken family and no friends... So before you call others "flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society", maybe you should learn to be more empathetic. And ffs show some respect for the dead, asshole.
lolz at you people white knighting a dead girl on a starcraft forum. I can't feel empathy for someone who take their own life, might be because of my religious views or because of the way I was raised up and I especially can't feel empathy for a 13 years old camwhore.
A kid dies in Africa because of hunger every 27 seconds. We should have empathy for them. They didn't have a choice or a chance. She had both and she was too retarded to see it.
If you can't feel empathy for a 15 year old who made some mistakes, and killed herself, then you're a sick, sick human being.
Dude mistake at 15 y/o is when you forget your homework at home, when you don't prepare enough for test at school or when you dont do the dishes before your parents come back from work. If you do drugs, drink alcohol and show your body to strangers online, what do you expect seriously
I'm sure she didn't expect to be stalked and fucking bullied to death; is that what you think someone should expect? And do you even know what empathy means?
Im pretty sure she didnt expect it, but for me it's not suprising she was stalked. And I really don't see it as she was bullied to death. She commited suicide. As I see it, it is story of spoiled brat who thought you can live your life without consequences and do whatever you want, but when she got tasted of real world she couldn't handle it. This is how morality works. If you misbehave and do something that is wrong, you won't go to jail (thats how law works), but instead you are going to be treated like trash (thats how morality works). The worse your behaviour the worse reaction from your surroundings. It's something natural and it prevents most people from doing whatever they want, because they fear they gonna be exiled from society. But some people just have to force it i guess.
On October 13 2012 04:23 killa_robot wrote: Watched the video now....
She made so many damn mistakes. Flashed random people online, slept with a guy who had a girlfriend (granted he was at fault there too) and then lied to protect him (srsly?). Granted, the bullying was undeserved, and I feel sorry for her for that, but it's really hard to sympathize with her when she just continued to make the same mistakes and then was stupid enough to kill herself.
*Sigh
We live in a world where people are way too fucked up, and too many people are okay with it/ignore it. We're being killed by apathy.
It was sad that she died but really go over to that guys house ? I don't understand that I feel like she knew it was a bad idea and did it anyway knowing exactly what was going to happen. That just seems outrageous , Its sad how little teenagers respect themselves to go and do that with someone who was clearly out to get laid. It makes me so angry .
I was bullied as a kid cause of my aspergers and tried to kill myself when I was 17 but I realized how stupid and selfish I was being. I really got a wake-up call and realized I really wanted to live so I made an effort to change things and stopped doing activieies or versions of them that got me bullied in the first place.
On October 13 2012 17:11 knOxStarcraft wrote: You realize you just said a 15 year old who was both physically and mentally assaulted, made the most "retarded" choice out of hundreds of choices? Just read that over to yourself a couple of times and really comprehend what you've posted on a public forum. Quite fucking clearly from the perspective of an adult who isn't being bullied there are other options for a girl like Amanda, but she was 15, with a broken family and no friends... So before you call others "flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society", maybe you should learn to be more empathetic. And ffs show some respect for the dead, asshole.
lolz at you people white knighting a dead girl on a starcraft forum. I can't feel empathy for someone who take their own life, might be because of my religious views or because of the way I was raised up and I especially can't feel empathy for a 13 years old camwhore.
A kid dies in Africa because of hunger every 27 seconds. We should have empathy for them. They didn't have a choice or a chance. She had both and she was too retarded to see it.
If you can't feel empathy for a 15 year old who made some mistakes, and killed herself, then you're a sick, sick human being.
Dude mistake at 15 y/o is when you forget your homework at home, when you don't prepare enough for test at school or when you dont do the dishes before your parents come back from work. If you do drugs, drink alcohol and show your body to strangers online, what do you expect seriously
I'm sure she didn't expect to be stalked and fucking bullied to death; is that what you think someone should expect? And do you even know what empathy means?
Im pretty sure she didnt expect it, but for me it's not suprising she was stalked. And I really don't see it as she was bullied to death. She commited suicide. As I see it, it is story of spoiled brat who thought you can live your life without consequences and do whatever you want, but when she got tasted of real world she couldn't handle it. This is how morality works. If you misbehave and do something that is wrong, you won't go to jail (thats how law works), but instead you are going to be treated like trash (thats how morality works). The worse your behaviour the worse reaction from your surroundings. It's something natural and it prevents most people from doing whatever they want, because they fear they gonna be exiled from society. But some people just have to force it i guess.
I wish that our society, that the circumstances surrounding her death, and that everything she did and that others did, didn't result in her death. At a very proximal level, obviously suicide is "her fault", but this fails to capture the full picture of what's going on. She made bad decisions, yes, but bad things also happened to her, and she felt that there was no way out. Whatever happened, she didn't deserve this. Whatever your personal beliefs about morality are, obviously something should have gone differently here. Whether an intervention from her parents, mental health professionals, or a concerned friend should have happened, the implication of blame on her I perceive in your posting is terrible. Everyone is at least partially at fault for their actions-- but nobody deserves to be driven to suicide.
Some people here make me really sick. Even after her death, yes i know it was a suicide, she gets blamed for everything she has done? Does she really deserve so much hatred? Damn it some of you must really detest her, because she committed suicide. I know it's not ok, but don't judge her so easily. I am also aware of her stupid mistakes but this: "Oh you're getting bullied in your school and on the Internet? Deal with it!, "Everyone hates you? Deal with it!", "Oh you have Borderline personality disorder, Depressions and a drug problem? Deal with it!", "Nobody helped you? Deal with it!", "You committed suicide? Ahhh now i hate you even more. Have some respect for the people who don't have a choice like the kids in Africa stupid whore."
On October 13 2012 18:45 Undecan wrote: Some people here make me really sick. Even after her death, yes i know it was a suicide, she gets blamed for everything she has done? Does she really deserve so much hatred? Damn it some of you must really detest her, because she committed suicide. I know it's not ok, but don't judge her so easily. I am also aware of her stupid mistakes but this: "Oh you're getting bullied in your school and on the Internet? Deal with it!, "Everyone hates you? Deal with it!", "Oh you have Borderline personality disorder, Depressions and a drug problem? Deal with it!", "Nobody helped you? Deal with it!", "You committed suicide? Ahhh now i hate you even more. Have some respect for the people who don't have a choice like the kids in Africa stupid whore."
Dammit is the whole world a fucking nightmare?
Thats not what people are saying , lots of the people who are coming off as negative is because she engaged in questionable actions even after she got in trouble for doing the exact same thing prior.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
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Holy cow, why does he get temp banned?! It is the freaking truth. I understand how this made her sad and depressed and her life took really unfortunate turns. However, she brought that on her own 100%. It is not bullying to be pissed after someone fucks your boyfriend. Showing her tits to some stranger you meet on the internet was a bad idea... who would have thought. What happened after she did that was incredible mean and should have gotten punished, still there was a real easy way to prevent that from happening. Don't Show Your Boobs To Strangers!
Nobody deserves to be treated the way she was treated. Of course she did some stupid stuff and was bullied therefore, but bullying her EVEN after she switched schools is simply sick. Nobody deserves to be bullied EVERYWHERE for the rest of her life. If you can even be save after moving to a different place then i can definitely understand why she suicided although i dont agree with the solution.
Still dont understand why she didnt call the police though.
On October 13 2012 18:56 Bam Lee wrote: Nobody deserves to be treated the way she was treated. Of course she did some stupid stuff and was bullied therefore, but bullying her EVEN after she switched schools is simply sick. Nobody deserves to be bullied EVERYWHERE for the rest of her life. If you can even be save after moving to a different place then i can definitely understand why she suicided although i dont agree with the solution.
Still dont understand why she didnt call the police though.
No but repeating actions that caused the problem and not learning from mistakes she made doesn't help Also if social media is the way they are getting a hold of you to bully you DISABLE IT . She didn't try to solve the problem take away the power of the bully over you don't let him keep getting a hold of you on facebook.
Wow isn't it nice to see a whole bunch of twenty-something year old guys bashing on a 14 year old girl. Do you guys realise that you are no better than the bullies that lead her to her suicide. In fact you are even worse, because at least they have the defense of being young and immature.
What an awful thought to think that a girls life was ruined by a relatively tiny mistake. And yet you say that she deserved what happened to her? I can imagine that would have been the exact same mentality of the bullies that were bullying her as well.
If you think she deserved what happened to her, or that she is a bad person for committing suicide, then you are a really sad individual and I feel sorry for you.
Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
This is why parents need to survey their kids activities online, and I am not thinking in particular on Amanda Todd, but those people who feel like they need to bully others.
So many people are horrible online, because they somehow do not think it is real people and real feelings they are dealing with, and they themselves suffer from self-loathing, but walk a path to bully. A lot carry this to off line as well. I think one of the contributors is that parents feel bullying is a problem society needs to deal with, rather than act pro-actively, and take care of their kids, and realize their kids are so ashamed to tell them what is going on.
This is very sad - and not only when it comes to this kind of end.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
I agree, but you cannot explain that to spoiled teenager that parents do everything for, they believe they live in world where sun revolves around them...
This is one sad story, from many aspects and questioning many social and moral.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
I agree that her actions brought it on her self but it is a sad loss of life.
p.s. Don't make claims that your going to go hunt down kids who get bullied and kill them Kthnx
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
You do understand that depression is a disease right? That it affects how you behave and affects how you feel and in most cases requres proffesional medical treatment? TLDR - you disgust me.
Im sorry for this girl, she made some bad mistakes and was obviously unable to resolve issues that did arise after that.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
-_- Jeez they sure have a lot in life.
Is social isolation comparable to children suffering from diseases and famine? No, of course not, but just because there is something worse doesn't mean that it isn't horrible in it's own right and psychological diseases are very very real. The human mind is both amazing and frightening, people left isolated with nobody to support you will just spiral downwards.
I just don't feel any sympathy for her, at all. She made so many mistakes and probably expected no consequences to come from said mistakes. Yes, she is immature and yes, teens can be cruel, but I just can't understand how somebody can throw their life away for stupid reasons that nobody will remember after highschool. Parents must feel devastated but they are to blame aswell, I don't think they reacted well to the fact that she tried to drink bleach in her first attempt.
This is coming from somebody who got bullied nonstop for reasons I had no control over, I fell in depression and I had suicide toughts very often. It's hard to hang on, but for fuck sakes, don't be so selfish, think about your parents, people that actually care about you and not those bullies who are basicly more insecure than you will ever be.
Now, one thing that's really kind of pissing me off and it is kinda off topic, but many people, especially in the "RIP Amanda Todd" facebook page are all "sad" about her dying writing RIP everywhere and poems and such. The hypocrisy (spelling?) oozing from that page is just sickening and probably half of the people in there a) never got bullied or b) were the bullies themselves.
I guess that's about it. Sorry for the terrible grammar and spelling.
You do understand that depression is a disease right? That it affects how you behave and affects how you feel and in most cases requres proffesional medical treatment? TLDR - you disgust me.
No. AIDS is a disease. Malaria is a disease. Cholera is a disease. Depression is a state of mind, resulting from the person affected being unable to deal with its surroundings and/or life itself.
Is social isolation comparable to children suffering from diseases and famine? No, of course not, but just because there is something worse doesn't mean that it isn't horrible in it's own right and psychological diseases are very very real. The human mind is both amazing and frightening, people left isolated with nobody to support you will just spiral downwards.
You make it sound like it's ineviteable. Yet there are children/teenagers who´ve been through much worse than having no friends and being bullied (say, being raped, physically abused etc.) and don't have the sudden impulse to kill themselves. The relation between what people did to her and what her reaction to it was, is just totally out of line. You don't commit suicide over being bullied. Period. I mean, what's next? Oh damn, my grades in school are bad, I better go kill myself. Oh noes, my girlfriend/boyfriend broke up with me, better go commit suicide. Come on..
You do understand that depression is a disease right? That it affects how you behave and affects how you feel and in most cases requres proffesional medical treatment? TLDR - you disgust me.
No. AIDS is a disease. Malaria is a disease. Cholera is a disease. Depression is a state of mind, resulting from the person affected being unable to deal with its surroundings and/or life itself.
Wow you're ignorant. Please back up your argument with your medical qualifications.
Depression IS a disease and has been considered a medical disease for a long time.
The whole situation looks weird to me. I personally see nothing wrong with stuff like flashing on the webcam or having weird interests and all the other stuff people are commonly bullied for, that's probably because you got to have specific "bully mentality" or something like that. Her response to this is also pretty inadequate, I guess it's well known to anyone that the only proper reaction to bullying is ignoring it, and if the bullies make ignoring them impossible by going violent and harassing you in real life and not in the social network then there are legal means of protection available. There is no reason whatsoever a sane person would hurt him/herself or even suicide for such reason, that's just beyond illogical.
Is social isolation comparable to children suffering from diseases and famine? No, of course not, but just because there is something worse doesn't mean that it isn't horrible in it's own right and psychological diseases are very very real. The human mind is both amazing and frightening, people left isolated with nobody to support you will just spiral downwards.
You make it sound like it's ineviteable. Yet there are children/teenagers who´ve been through much worse than having no friends and being bullied (say, being raped, physically abused etc.) and don't have the sudden impulse to kill themselves. The relation between what people did to her and what her reaction to it was, is just totally out of line. You don't commit suicide over being bullied. Period. I mean, what's next? Oh damn, my grades in school are bad, I better go kill myself. Oh noes, my girlfriend/boyfriend broke up with me, better go commit suicide. Come on..
Ask yourself the question: In what state of mind does a person need to be in for them to contemplate suicide? Throwing yourself into nothingness, game over and become nothing but a clump of carbon. Just because you can't picture this doesn't mean that what they are feeling isn't real. I agree though it's not inevitable, nor are most diseases and famine, but it needs to be treated.
Wow you're ignorant. Please back up your argument with your medical qualifications.
Depression IS a disease and has been considered a medical disease for a long time.
It's not like you are actually backing up anything either. Depression is being referred to as a disease only by popular demand, just like stress/burnouts, obesity and all kinds of addictions. It basically is like this: I have a problem, I have too weak of a will to help myself, so the only rational conclusion is: I must be sick / have some sort of disease. All problems in modern society have been handled like this. But let me tell you one thing; obesity isnt a disease, it is just you eating too much. Addictions are no disease, it is just you, who needs to stop drinking/whatever you´re doing. And depression is no disease, it is just you, who needs to stop bitching about your life.
Wow you're ignorant. Please back up your argument with your medical qualifications.
Depression IS a disease and has been considered a medical disease for a long time.
It's not like you are actually backing up anything either. Depression is being referred to as a disease only by popular demand, just like stress/burnouts, obesity and all kinds of addictions. It basically is like this: I have a problem, I have too weak of a will to help myself, so the only rational conclusion is: I must be sick / have some sort of disease. All problems in modern society have been handled like this. But let me tell you one thing; obesity isnt a disease, it is just you eating too much. Addictions are no disease, it is just you, who needs to stop drinking/whatever you´re doing. And depression is no disease, it is just you, who needs to stop bitching about your life.
Are you speaking from experience from overcoming your environment? Or are you speaking from an advantageous position of never having to deal with being on the social periphery?
Wow you're ignorant. Please back up your argument with your medical qualifications.
Depression IS a disease and has been considered a medical disease for a long time.
It's not like you are actually backing up anything either. Depression is being referred to as a disease only by popular demand, just like stress/burnouts, obesity and all kinds of addictions. It basically is like this: I have a problem, I have too weak of a will to help myself, so the only rational conclusion is: I must be sick / have some sort of disease. All problems in modern society have been handled like this. But let me tell you one thing; obesity isnt a disease, it is just you eating too much. Addictions are no disease, it is just you, who needs to stop drinking/whatever you´re doing. And depression is no disease, it is just you, who needs to stop bitching about your life.
Its a mental disorder Being depressed =/= Suicidal behavior But may lead there in severe cases. There are many things we dont know about mental disorders but "The effectiveness of antidepressants is none to minimal in those with mild or moderate depression but significant in those with very severe cases." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder
Disclaimer the following is my personal conclusions and experiences: As many mental disorders they seem to be mostly a classification of symptoms that seem to generally coincide in both occurence and treatment.
I hope that you never get to experience the following but will still be able to understand. You can reach the point were leaving this life feels like best solution even when you know that it probably isnt by applying logic. The logic still cant change the feeling.
Is social isolation comparable to children suffering from diseases and famine? No, of course not, but just because there is something worse doesn't mean that it isn't horrible in it's own right and psychological diseases are very very real. The human mind is both amazing and frightening, people left isolated with nobody to support you will just spiral downwards.
You make it sound like it's ineviteable. Yet there are children/teenagers who´ve been through much worse than having no friends and being bullied (say, being raped, physically abused etc.) and don't have the sudden impulse to kill themselves. The relation between what people did to her and what her reaction to it was, is just totally out of line. You don't commit suicide over being bullied. Period. I mean, what's next? Oh damn, my grades in school are bad, I better go kill myself. Oh noes, my girlfriend/boyfriend broke up with me, better go commit suicide. Come on..
You're right, we shouldn't let people kill themselves. We should stop them before they reach a point where they would want to. That's the only logical conclusion to what you're saying. That, or you're saying that noone has ever committed suicide.
You're right, we shouldn't let people kill themselves. We should stop them before they reach a point where they would want to. That's the only logical conclusion to what you're saying. That, or you're saying that noone has ever committed suicide.
Neither nor, actually. You might want to re-read my post, as I didn't imply anything like that. And where is that "noone has ever committed suicide" coming from? Can't see the relation to this at all, sorry.
On October 13 2012 17:38 Smug wrote: However we have a very tinted version of the story and I want you all to remember that. Yes her bullies were very much in the wrong and that is beyond doubt. But I think Amanda Todd is much less someone who was severely depressed, more a teenager that got herself into a state over the events that occurred and made a decision to end her life in the heat of the moment.
"In the heat of the moment"? This went on long enough for her to switch schools and move multiple times. With no friends, severe depression, relentless hate that followed her wherever she went, and no hope to move on from her mistakes, do you really think she simply worked herself up and just kinda decided to commit suicide?
In my experience (pretty limited although from observations + sister has had severe schizophrenia for past 8 years and been in and out of mental units) there are two vague groups of people who commit suicide. Those who plan it silently, acting normal in order to not tip anyone off to their intentions and those that almost move too fast to think the situation through, and to decide whether it's the right decision.
On October 13 2012 20:17 TemNoc wrote: You make it sound like it's ineviteable. Yet there are children/teenagers who´ve been through much worse than having no friends and being bullied (say, being raped, physically abused etc.) and don't have the sudden impulse to kill themselves. The relation between what people did to her and what her reaction to it was, is just totally out of line. You don't commit suicide over being bullied. Period. I mean, what's next? Oh damn, my grades in school are bad, I better go kill myself. Oh noes, my girlfriend/boyfriend broke up with me, better go commit suicide. Come on..
Gratz, did you just discover people are different from each others ? That's like, one of the first thing you learn when you start studying psychology.
The question isn't about why did she suicides, but why she shouldn't. You can totally be raped in your past, but still have friends, back-up, or just a goal in life, anything that can just let you continue to appreciate life. Some people will need a lot of reconfort to be back in track in tough situations, while others don't give a fuck in awful ones. Not like everyone can be as strong as you are - because you probably think you are, true or not, not if that matters anyway - nor will make absolutely no mistake their entire life.
Hell, there even are people who suicide just because of boredom. I'll not say it's not stupid, but I can understand the process. Cause in the end, suicide still is a stupid act, whatever the reason is.
That being said, you were wrong two times. First of all, she didn't have a sudden impulse to put an end to her life. It took something like months, maybe years ? And a lot of tries too. Not to mention the schools. It let a lot of times to prevent her from doing that. And it already happens that some guys suicide because of failed grades at school. You know, being under pressure from the family, those things, it can really mess with the mind of a young person.
When one think about himself as a failure, it's really hard to give them confidence once again. Especially when the only one to do it is a psychiatrist. Because, well, rest of the time, he's on his own.
I'm not going to weigh in on this Depression argument because frankly I'm out of my depth, not that it seems many other people really care about that...
I'd love to know though how this was actually let to happen? In all seriousness there wasn't one person in any of her schools willing to stand up for her? It's on a different scale completely granted but I went out of my way to befriend people who were getting bullied, stopped fights, with my decisions being constantly challenged
"Why are you friends with that freak" etc etc
I am just shocked to find out there was so little response as far as I can tell and also the crazy pack mentality these school children had.
The person that was bullying her too..Wow...That's just sick. There's not even any possible chance you can view it as just schoolyard bullying & something that went a little too far. It was malicious, targeted and frankly frightening that someone could possibly go that far.. Sickening really.
If youv got no friends and are hated by everyone why would you use facebook.
If that were me id have moved like she did, stopped using that facebook or maybe any form of social media, changed name and appearance a bit, started again fresh. I doubt her parents would have minded any of this considering she was suicidal.
She shouldn't be put in this position to start with ofc but stuff like this is pretty hard to stop. People instead need to learn to not share excessive information over the internet.
Also depression is definitely a disease anyone contesting that is ignorant. Its not just about willpower and hurdles etc there are actual biological factors behind it, its not just like being unhappy.
On October 13 2012 20:17 TemNoc wrote: You make it sound like it's ineviteable. Yet there are children/teenagers who´ve been through much worse than having no friends and being bullied (say, being raped, physically abused etc.) and don't have the sudden impulse to kill themselves. The relation between what people did to her and what her reaction to it was, is just totally out of line. You don't commit suicide over being bullied. Period. I mean, what's next? Oh damn, my grades in school are bad, I better go kill myself. Oh noes, my girlfriend/boyfriend broke up with me, better go commit suicide. Come on..
Gratz, did you just discover people are different from each others ? That's like, one of the first thing you learn when you start studying psychology.
The question isn't about why did she suicides, but why she shouldn't. You can totally be raped in your past, but still have friends, back-up, or just a goal in life, anything that can just let you continue to appreciate life. Some people will need a lot of reconfort to be back in track in tough situations, while others don't give a fuck in awful ones. Not like everyone can be as strong as you are - because you probably think you are, true or not, not if that matters anyway - nor will make absolutely no mistake their entire life.
Hell, there even are people who suicide just because of boredom. I'll not say it's not stupid, but I can understand the process. Cause in the end, suicide still is a stupid act, whatever the reason is.
That being said, you were wrong two times. First of all, she didn't have a sudden impulse to put an end to her life. It took something like months, maybe years ? And a lot of tries too. Not to mention the schools. It let a lot of times to prevent her from doing that. And it already happens that some guys suicide because of failed grades at school. You know, being under pressure from the family, those things, it can really mess with the mind of a young person.
When one think about himself as a failure, it's really hard to give them confidence once again. Especially when the only one to do it is a psychiatrist. Because, well, rest of the time, he's on his own.
No idea what you´re talking about, but you seem to have missed my point entirely. Maybe re-read the post I was replying to for more context.
As for your 2nd paragraph, I really do think it's about why somebody would suicide. You claim people even kill themselves over less than bullying (i.e. bad grades). I say, like I did in a previous post, that this is totally out of proportion. If somebody is really going to end his own life, due to matters like that, it basically means, that he's willing to sacrifice all he has, and all the chances at something he could have, over a temporary problem like being pressured by your parents or bullied at school. To me such a consequence is totally inappropriate and incomprehensible. If a person takes his own life over something like this, it is probably for the better of it anyways, since this very person wouldn't make it much further in his life, without getting to the same point again.
And please don't expect me to shed a single tear for somebody who deliberately ends his life, hurting his entire family and friends (if there are any), giving up all chances and hope for the future and forfeiting at the slightest (yes, I said slightest) obstacle to overcome in ones life.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
The individualistic personality at work. I hope you don't have children, and if you do they are removed from your care. Absolutely pathetic empathy for a childs mistake escalating out of control.
It's funny seeing all of the bully mentality this thread is holding. These are the exact people who would be spitting in her food or pushing her against lockers calling her "whore". Pathetic.
Is social isolation comparable to children suffering from diseases and famine? No, of course not, but just because there is something worse doesn't mean that it isn't horrible in it's own right and psychological diseases are very very real. The human mind is both amazing and frightening, people left isolated with nobody to support you will just spiral downwards.
You make it sound like it's ineviteable. Yet there are children/teenagers who´ve been through much worse than having no friends and being bullied (say, being raped, physically abused etc.) and don't have the sudden impulse to kill themselves. The relation between what people did to her and what her reaction to it was, is just totally out of line. You don't commit suicide over being bullied. Period. I mean, what's next? Oh damn, my grades in school are bad, I better go kill myself. Oh noes, my girlfriend/boyfriend broke up with me, better go commit suicide. Come on..
Chemically some people have drastically different levels of serotonin which is why you see people get bullied much more but stick with it over the ones who resort to suicide. Obviously it's the wrong decision but similar to a bear smothering its cub and killing itself in a cage, that's how the person feels, caged.
On October 13 2012 17:15 pookadin wrote: I read in a Reddit post comments from kids who went to her school and neighboring schools, that they are having a party to celebrate her death. WTF..
WTF. Now they may not be sad she is gone but celebrating her death man that is twisted
On October 13 2012 17:15 pookadin wrote: I read in a Reddit post comments from kids who went to her school and neighboring schools, that they are having a party to celebrate her death. WTF..
WTF. Now they may not be sad she is gone but celebrating her death man that is twisted
They should invite some of the people in this thread, they'd fit right in.
On October 13 2012 17:15 pookadin wrote: I read in a Reddit post comments from kids who went to her school and neighboring schools, that they are having a party to celebrate her death. WTF..
WTF. Now they may not be sad she is gone but celebrating her death man that is twisted
I can understand where she is coming from, I had very embarrassing things that were brought to my middle school administrations attention that got me suspended for a whole year. That was 8th grade, next year I passed enough "requirements" to be let back into the main population and I was alone.....very alone. Even the kids who were my friends before hand turned their backs on me to be with the "popular" kids. I know what it's like to constantly get in fights every day and never having anyone to talk too. I can also imagine some of the conversations she had with her parents and the endless feelings of just wanting it all to end. (I myself tried to kill myself a few times but each time survived.)
That said and I know I'll get a lot of flack for this...I feel like she just didn't have good coping skills. I channeled my anger into learning martial arts and violent video games. And the more they tried to bully me, the more we'd get into physical altercations, and win/lose the more they'd leave me alone because I wasn't an easy target. I guess I was just lucky in that I was able to keep the "light" at the end of my black tunnel in view as I squeaked by(graduated in the bottom 10% of my class even though I was taking AP classes)
Shit gets so much better after highschool, I remember some of my friends who I played Halo with got bullied, even in Grade 12 that turned around because most of us (Hockey team/Lacrosse team) stood up for them when shit hit the brick.
Tired of idiots going nowhere picking on the few who are simply different :D. I like diversity in people, why can't we all!
Anyway, sad story
This so much. There's nothing negative about being "different". We're all the same in that we're all different. And it's good that way.
The internet is a dangerous tool. It almost provokes the real scum in this world - because they're not showing themselves. There's no empathy because there's no faces, all we are is usernames and maybe an icon. We're "not" people online and that's the real danger.
Unbelievable. I'd like to have a few words with some of the folks on this thread, in person.
I cannot imagine the pain this poor girl endured. God rest her soul. I can only imagine what her parents are going through right now. That video is the saddest thing I have ever watched.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
given your comments, I somehow doubt that you actually care even a little bit about any of that.
TL;DR: when I see one more pathetic, attention whore and/or depressive fool, making some idiotic comment on TL, telling me how tough and cool and unsympathetic they are, I swear to god, I'm gonna thank my mom and dad that they didn't raise a fucking retard.
amidoinitrite?
edit: oh fucking wow. in the middle of all the bullshit spewing from your posts, i missed this little gem:
With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
i love how you put: "with all due respect" in front of it to, like that's not the most disrespectful thing you could possibly say. fucking cool story bra, have fun posting maybe 30 more times before you get fucking banned. (also it's funny how you didn't say society is better off without the bullies....)
I hope her death will make people think twice before they say something malicious to someone. If only for one moment, it would be a moment to remember. The the day when humans were slightly less aggressive and slightly more considerate.
Is social isolation comparable to children suffering from diseases and famine? No, of course not, but just because there is something worse doesn't mean that it isn't horrible in it's own right and psychological diseases are very very real. The human mind is both amazing and frightening, people left isolated with nobody to support you will just spiral downwards.
You make it sound like it's ineviteable. Yet there are children/teenagers who´ve been through much worse than having no friends and being bullied (say, being raped, physically abused etc.) and don't have the sudden impulse to kill themselves. The relation between what people did to her and what her reaction to it was, is just totally out of line. You don't commit suicide over being bullied. Period. I mean, what's next? Oh damn, my grades in school are bad, I better go kill myself. Oh noes, my girlfriend/boyfriend broke up with me, better go commit suicide. Come on..
Not all people are equally strong. Many of those you mention go through life suffering years upon years after the events, though.
You can't put a level of degree saying this is not tough enough to suffer, so much that you can no longer see a way out. She couldn't. People losing jobs, relationships, friendships, foundations in life, family members, not getting grades, react differently. Some people are more sensitive than others. Some are tough skinned. Some are tough skinned because they do not care about anything. Being in pain, means it hurts. Some feel like they only feel pain in life. Some feel more pain because their intentions were good, and they got exploited, than others. You can't just put your own mindset down on everyone and say, "well, i can survive this". I wonder even if you have felt anything even remotely close to this kind of pain. You can't just say well, someone had it worse. People place values into different things, and when that value is removed, they feel empty and torn apart.
And there is absolutely no reasoning or justification in the world that condones that she had to go through this torment. No matter if she was too trusting or not. Too dependent on acceptance or not. She tried to get away from it all, but it kept pursuing her, either in physical abuse, or later being so depressed, that she lost social skills, and at a loss that she saw no way out.
The people in this thread blaming the victim fucking disgust me, and in my opinion some of the worst bullies should be facing criminal charges. My thoughts are also with her family.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
given your comments, I somehow doubt that you actually care even a little bit about any of that.
TL;DR: when I see one more pathetic, attention whore and/or depressive fool, making some idiotic comment on TL, telling me how tough and cool and unsympathetic they are, I swear to god, I'm gonna thank my mom and dad that they didn't raise a fucking retard.
amidoinitrite?
edit: oh fucking wow. in the middle of all the bullshit spewing from your posts, i missed this little gem:
With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
i love how you put: "with all due respect" in front of it to, like that's not the most disrespectful thing you could possibly say. fucking cool story bra, have fun posting maybe 30 more times before you get fucking banned.
So from the fact that I express my disliking towards attentionwhores and people that dwell in their depressions, thinking of it as the worst disease out there, you derive that I am a depressive fool and attentionwhore myself? I'm afraid you lost me somewhere along that impressive way of logic..
The "with all due respect" actually is meant sarcastic, as I don't hold any respect for suiciders. If you´d thought before you judged me, this might have occured to you.
Oh and "amidoinitrite?": Yea you´re doing it right, unless you didn't contribute anything to this discussion and didn't mention the girl this thread is about or your opinion on what happened at all. Now that I think about it, all you´ve done was posting some hate-filled lines, letting your anger about whatever is troubling you, out on me. However, it seems like that's all you wanted to do in the first place. Congrats.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
given your comments, I somehow doubt that you actually care even a little bit about any of that.
TL;DR: when I see one more pathetic, attention whore and/or depressive fool, making some idiotic comment on TL, telling me how tough and cool and unsympathetic they are, I swear to god, I'm gonna thank my mom and dad that they didn't raise a fucking retard.
amidoinitrite?
edit: oh fucking wow. in the middle of all the bullshit spewing from your posts, i missed this little gem:
With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
i love how you put: "with all due respect" in front of it to, like that's not the most disrespectful thing you could possibly say. fucking cool story bra, have fun posting maybe 30 more times before you get fucking banned.
So from the fact that I express my disliking towards attentionwhores and people that dwell in their depressions, thinking of it as the worst disease out there, you derive that I am a depressive fool and attentionwhore myself? I'm afraid you lost me somewhere along that impressive way of logic..
The "with all due respect" actually is meant sarcastic, as I don't hold any respect for suiciders. If you´d thought before you judged me, this might have occured to you.
Oh and "amidoinitrite?": Yea you´re doing it right, unless you didn't contribute anything to this discussion and didn't mention the girl this thread is about or your opinion on what happened at all. Now that I think about it, all you´ve done was posting some hate-filled lines, letting your anger about whatever is troubling you, out on me. However, it seems like that's all you wanted to do in the first place. Congrats.
People like you are the reason why people like her commit suicide. No understanding, no empathy, no effort to understand at all. You don't have any idea what it's like and you don't need to because your life is fine. I hope that some day your life comes crashing down and people will laugh at you, beat you around, look down on you and you won't be able to do anything against it. Now do I really want that? Fuck no, nobody deserves that. But I guess people like you will never understand otherwise. Society would be better off without you.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
given your comments, I somehow doubt that you actually care even a little bit about any of that.
TL;DR: when I see one more pathetic, attention whore and/or depressive fool, making some idiotic comment on TL, telling me how tough and cool and unsympathetic they are, I swear to god, I'm gonna thank my mom and dad that they didn't raise a fucking retard.
amidoinitrite?
edit: oh fucking wow. in the middle of all the bullshit spewing from your posts, i missed this little gem:
With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
i love how you put: "with all due respect" in front of it to, like that's not the most disrespectful thing you could possibly say. fucking cool story bra, have fun posting maybe 30 more times before you get fucking banned.
So from the fact that I express my disliking towards attentionwhores and people that dwell in their depressions, thinking of it as the worst disease out there, you derive that I am a depressive fool and attentionwhore myself? I'm afraid you lost me somewhere along that impressive way of logic..
The "with all due respect" actually is meant sarcastic, as I don't hold any respect for suiciders. If you´d thought before you judged me, this might have occured to you.
Oh and "amidoinitrite?": Yea you´re doing it right, unless you didn't contribute anything to this discussion and didn't mention the girl this thread is about or your opinion on what happened at all. Now that I think about it, all you´ve done was posting some hate-filled lines, letting your anger about whatever is troubling you, out on me. However, it seems like that's all you wanted to do in the first place. Congrats.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
given your comments, I somehow doubt that you actually care even a little bit about any of that.
TL;DR: when I see one more pathetic, attention whore and/or depressive fool, making some idiotic comment on TL, telling me how tough and cool and unsympathetic they are, I swear to god, I'm gonna thank my mom and dad that they didn't raise a fucking retard.
amidoinitrite?
edit: oh fucking wow. in the middle of all the bullshit spewing from your posts, i missed this little gem:
With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
i love how you put: "with all due respect" in front of it to, like that's not the most disrespectful thing you could possibly say. fucking cool story bra, have fun posting maybe 30 more times before you get fucking banned.
So from the fact that I express my disliking towards attentionwhores and people that dwell in their depressions, thinking of it as the worst disease out there, you derive that I am a depressive fool and attentionwhore myself? I'm afraid you lost me somewhere along that impressive way of logic..
The "with all due respect" actually is meant sarcastic, as I don't hold any respect for suiciders. If you´d thought before you judged me, this might have occured to you.
Oh and "amidoinitrite?": Yea you´re doing it right, unless you didn't contribute anything to this discussion and didn't mention the girl this thread is about or your opinion on what happened at all. Now that I think about it, all you´ve done was posting some hate-filled lines, letting your anger about whatever is troubling you, out on me. However, it seems like that's all you wanted to do in the first place. Congrats.
You're a fucking disgusting person you know that.
The worst part is that he'd never dare say anything like this in real life. The internet just has no consequences.
People like you are the reason why people like her commit suicide. No understanding, no empathy, no effort to understand at all. You don't have any idea what it's like and you don't need to because your life is fine. I hope that some day your life comes crashing down and people will laugh at you, beat you around, look down on you and you won't be able to do anything against it. Now do I really want that? Fuck no, nobody deserves that. But I guess people like you will never understand otherwise. Society would be better off without you.
And here I thought it was because of the people who blackmailed her with nude pictures and bullied her at school. Or was it the parents that didn't realize their daughter was deeply depressed? Or her so-called friends who ditched on her in the blink of an eye? Also, spare me from your holdless assumptions, you do not know anything about my life or how it's been.
Now I´d like you to go back on topic. If anybody still feels like insulting me, for whatever reason, go ahead and do it via PM.
On October 13 2012 23:28 OneOddOrange wrote: The people in this thread blaming the victim fucking disgust me, and in my opinion some of the worst bullies should be facing criminal charges. My thoughts are also with her family.
I completely agree with you about criminal charges. Don't know about the US laws on that, but in Russia you may face up to 5 years in prison for this. + Show Spoiler +
Article 110. Incitement to Suicide
Incitement of a person to commit or attempt to commit suicide by means of threats, cruel treatment of a person, or systematic denigration of the human dignity of the victim shall be punishable by restraint of liberty for a term of up to three years or by deprivation of liberty for a term, of up to five years.
That doesn't mean that suicide is an acceptable reaction to bullying, there is no reason to blame the victim but it's OK to say that the idea of suicide as a solution to such problem is completely wrong.
wtf? Do some of you guys really have no compassion at all?
Not everyone is equally strong else there would be no such things as real life "heroes." People are deemed heroes because they are stronger than your average person.
Look at Asia. Hell, lets look at Japan a country with the one of the highest suicide rates in the world (mostly coming from students who can't handle the academic stress). There are numerous stories of how students commit suicide because they couldn't get into the target school or got a "B" instead of an "A." Just because they are not strong or don't meet your standard shouldn't mean they should be mocked and ridiculed.
Also, she was a teenager. Do you have any idea how self-esteem works for females? Let alone a teenage girl? Some jackass was playing on her emotion back in 7th grade. She felt good. Confident. So no shit she was gonna fulfill their request. I mean she made a small mistake but she was in middle school. Kids never make the greatest decisions.*
But if you want to keep arguing pathetically that what she did is wrong and deserved some insults and consequences, fine. But she died because of bullying. She was mocked and ridiculed and bullied for some extensive time. I don't care what you say or think but bullying is wrong. Period. And for death to result because of bullying is the most shittiest thing you can do.
*edit: Kids are over dramatic. They let the emotions get the best of them. Just because you can't relate to the person or understand or "walk a mile in their shoe" shouldn't mean you should impose your standards and experience onto someone else. That is sheer ignorance.
You know, I pity you because by your own admission you are basically dead inside. No one deserves the treatment she had to endure. Everyone has a breaking point. Those people did everything in their power to push her over the edge and they succeeded. To life is our strongest instinct and they killed that. Saying that you don't respect people committing suicide is basically saying you have no respect for people. Because contrary to public opinion we are not in control of everything and we are not responsible for everything that happens to us. Sometimes we face more than we can endure. To pretend this is not the case is lying to yourself.
You know, I pity you because by your own admission you are basically dead inside. No one deserves the treatment she had to endure. Everyone has a breaking point. Those people did everything in their power to push her over the edge and they succeeded. To life is our strongest instinct and they killed that. Saying that you don't respect people committing suicide is basically saying you have no respect for people. Because contrary to public opinion we are not in control of everything and we are not responsible for everything that happens to us. Sometimes we face more than we can endure. To pretend this is not the case is lying to yourself.
^^well written
I really do hate some of the elitist bullshit I come across sometimes in TL and irl.
You know, I pity you because by your own admission you are basically dead inside. No one deserves the treatment she had to endure. Everyone has a breaking point. Those people did everything in their power to push her over the edge and they succeeded. To life is our strongest instinct and they killed that. Saying that you don't respect people committing suicide is basically saying you have no respect for people. Because contrary to public opinion we are not in control of everything and we are not responsible for everything that happens to us. Sometimes we face more than we can endure. To pretend this is not the case is lying to yourself.
Whilst death is always a sad thing, a lot of it was because of what she did to herself. I'm sorry, people go through far worse things every day. She had a nice life handed to her. She looked good, doesn't seem like she grew up in a poor family/country etc. The things she did to herself is her mistake - and hers alone.
She was an idiot and while that doesn't justify death, there are worse things happening every single minute we live.
One of the Top 10 worst TL threads I've read all year. Though I'm probably bias because I had someone close to me (sister) take her own life. Though not for reasons of being bullied. Most of you don't understand what happened, and never will.
I really don't understand people that feel so sorry for her. There's so much shit going on in the world to feel sorry about yet some random teenager that commits suicide seems to create an outrage of compassion bigger than real tragedies often involving many lives.
And since I'm on it i can't understand most of the actions this girl did. The story just seems like some made up bullshit. She lost all her friends because of a photo of boobs? Really? I'm pretty sure if a photo of my dick got public on the internet I wouldn't lose all my friends if any. Except I assume her boobs were actually nice to look at, so what's the problem? And if she really was so sensitive etc. why no one had helped her: parents, teachers, psychologist? Everyone hated her because of the boobs? Also you don't have to have a facebook account.
Seriously the whole global mourning after her saddens me more then this whole story.
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever seen on TL. Not just for this awful story, but for all the disgusting opinions that have spilled out because of it. It boggles my mind how people are fucking blaming the victim. It's the same sickening mentality that allows stupid shit like "She was asking for it by wearing those clothes" or "he was begging to get shot" or whatever. No, showing your chest on the internet is not grounds for public shaming, extortion, stalking, and beatings.
It's not grounds for it, but it can lead to it. Just like taking a stroll through gang territory at 2 am isn't grounds for being assaulted, but can lead to it.
We teach children to be wary of strangers because we somehow expect children to play a part in keeping themselves safe from pedophiles. No one screams that PSA ads on stranger danger equate to blaming children for their own victimization. No one claims that a kid who ignored the advice and got molested as a result will blame himself whenever he hears someone say, "Don't take candy from strangers," so we should never, ever say that stuff to any children, ever.
Yet when it comes to telling women that exercising restraint in the expression of their sexuality will help minimize their risk of sexual assault/harassment, this is treated as blaming victims for their victimization, and telling women they were asking for it. The truth is, women should be able to dress however they want, and they can dress however they want--but when they do, it's only wise to minimize their other risk factors to compensate. In other words, if you're going to behave in ways that attract a lot of sexual attention from a lot of men, you should not make yourself vulnerable or an easy target. If you're going to behave in ways that make you vulnerable, you should not dress in ways that will attract the sexual attention of every man at the bar.
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: Anyone who says this is in any way her fault (even if she did do something stupid, it's something of ill consequence unless a sick piece of shit does their best to ruin her life for it) needs to reevaluate their mindset, because it's a depraved, almost sociopathic one.
No, it's not. The depraved mindset is that of white knights who think it's okay to discourage others from taking responsibility for their own behavior, and in doing so encourage others to put themselves in danger.
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: The gross inflation of member count has really brought the scum out of the woodwork.
Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility.
You don't have a personal responsibility to not do things you want to do that don't harm anyone else just because other people have the potential to be assholes. It's simpler not to do things where the risk of other people being an asshole is high or the damage an asshole can do is extensive but that doesn't mean you're obligated to make that sacrifice, nor that you deserve the consequences if you don't.
Personal responsibility means acting in a responsible manner, which most people would define as including taking appropriate safety precautions.
Nowhere did I suggest that you deserve the consequences of risky behavior. What I'm pointing out is that it's stupid to deny that those risks exist, or to encourage others to engage in risky behavior.
On October 13 2012 10:54 KwarK wrote: I would not advocate a child taking sweets from a stranger because of the asshole risk but that means that the child has been forced to make a sacrifice because the world is a shitty place. Refusing to live in fear or believing that other people are better than they are do not make you deserving of exploitation.
Again, I never brought up anything about "deserving". Don't strawman my argument into victim blaming. Walking down gangland streets at 2 am doesn't make you deserving of assault, but it sure is a bad idea. Acknowledging it's foolishness and the safety risks of that act is not victim blaming, it's promoting responsible behavior.
On October 13 2012 10:54 KwarK wrote: As for the brief attack on female empowerment you felt obligated to throw in there, the reason women need to oppose the whole "you deserved to be raped for leaving the kitchen" thing while we still teach kids to not take sweets from strangers is because we don't live in a world where the defence lawyer for a child molester stands up in court and says "men and women of the jury, how can you believe that the accused kidnapped this child when he was out there in the street taking sweets from any old stranger".
It's not an attack on female empowerment, quite the opposite. The biggest obstacle to female empowerment is the tendency of society to infantilize women. Refusing to even advocate, let alone ask or expect, responsible behavior from women is treating them as less than children.
Your characterization of rape trials is ludicrous and betrays a complete lack of familiarity with rape cases and/or the consumption of feminist propaganda. Here in the real world, sexual behavior is an issue because rape trials hinge upon consent, which is often difficult to improve. It's not a matter of victim blaming, it's a critical matter of establishing whether or not consent was given.
On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote: We teach children to be wary of strangers because we somehow expect children to play a part in keeping themselves safe from pedophiles. No one screams that PSA ads on stranger danger equate to blaming children for their own victimization. No one claims that a kid who ignored the advice and got molested as a result will blame himself whenever he hears someone say, "Don't take candy from strangers," so we should never, ever say that stuff to any children, ever.
Ok, so now, when a child who has been told not to take candy from strangers takes candy from strangers and dies by poisoning, you want the dead child to take responsibility for its actions? That it deserves any of the blame for the wrongdoing of others? Of course it's wise to advise caution, it's not a grounds for blaming the victim for the acts of the cruel.
No one is saying she deserved what happened. The point being made is that attracting sexual attention + disclosing personal information is a bad idea.
On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote: Yet when it comes to telling women that exercising restraint in the expression of their sexuality will help minimize their risk of sexual assault/harassment, this is treated as blaming them, and telling women they were asking for it.
Oh my sweet lord.
You are literally championing victim blaming and the repression of women.
White knights like you repress women by reducing them to helpless objects with no agency or influence over their fates. A true egalitarian treats women like adults. We have no problem with telling men that refraining from insulting others will reduce their risk of violent assault, and this isn't treated as blaming them. Why do you think we should treat women as less capable than men?
On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote: The truth is, women should be able to dress however they want, and they can dress however they want--but when they do, it's only wise to minimize their other risk factors to compensate. In other words, if you're going to behave in ways that attract a lot of sexual attention from a lot of men (flashing people online), you should not make yourself vulnerable or an easy target (giving away your personal info). Conversely, you're going to behave in ways that make you vulnerable, you shouldn't behave in ways that attract everyone's attention, because a single bad person could target you.
Look at you, right here, contradicting yourself. The cognitive dissonance is amazing. "Women should be able to dress however they want" which I also take as women should be able to express themselves as they see fit (so long as it doesn't harm others, golden rule), and you instantly turn around and say don't make yourself vulnerable because there are bad people and you should live in fear.
Your reading comprehension is terrible. Women should be able to express their sexuality however they want, the same way that men should be able to walk around gangland while wearing flashy jewelry. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so without taking proper precautions.
On October 14 2012 00:22 TwoToneTerran wrote: Everyone who is saying she brought this on herself and deserves the blame should be permabanned. Dredges of society.
And where exactly did I say that, pray tell?
You must be terrified of discussing the actual points, if you're reduced to lying and calling for censoring.
You know, I pity you because by your own admission you are basically dead inside. No one deserves the treatment she had to endure. Everyone has a breaking point. Those people did everything in their power to push her over the edge and they succeeded. To life is our strongest instinct and they killed that. Saying that you don't respect people committing suicide is basically saying you have no respect for people. Because contrary to public opinion we are not in control of everything and we are not responsible for everything that happens to us. Sometimes we face more than we can endure. To pretend this is not the case is lying to yourself.
Whilst death is always a sad thing, a lot of it was because of what she did to herself. I'm sorry, people go through far worse things every day. She had a nice life handed to her. She looked good, doesn't seem like she grew up in a poor family/country etc. The things she did to herself is her mistake - and hers alone.
She was an idiot and while that doesn't justify death, there are worse things happening every single minute we live.
It is true that from an objective viewpoint worse things happen. But guess what: it was her life. You can say: bad things happen all the time and they are worse. But she had to endure it. And subjective suffering is not comparable to anything that happens somewhere far away. Suffering is relative. She let him have her picture cause she trusted him. Then he blackmailed her, spread the photos after she didn't comply. She changed school two times and wherever she went she was bullied for this, she was beaten up for this. Her parents knew it and tried to help her. She was suffering from depression taking antidepressants. Those people founded a RIP Facebook page for her before she even died. This mistake defined the entire end of her life. This was her very personal Hell that she could not escape from it. And here is the simple truth: the behavior of the bullies isn't justifiable and this is their responsibility. They created this hell. In the beginning this was her mistake but she can not be responsible for what people made out of that.
On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote: Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility.
One Word: THIRTEEN.
[Defacer drops mic. Internet applauds.]
Congratulations, you completely missed the context. This was referring to TwoToneTerran's characterization of advocating safety as "victim blaming".
On October 14 2012 00:22 TwoToneTerran wrote: Everyone who is saying she brought this on herself and deserves the blame should be permabanned. Dredges of society.
They are just ignorant, and/or not wise enough yet. Most will be. Some may be bullies themselves, and can't accept that their actions can lead to this.
I used to be ignorant after my brother died of medicine overdose, and was working as a database constructor for a place where people had tried to commit suicide. Even though I was forbidden to talk to them, I, one day told them that suicide was a selfish act. Overall slightly different, but still unempathetic and ignorant, because I was still grieving my loss, but also because I felt that there were other ways, not understanding.
Suicide is a cry out for help, while feeling no one listens or cares enough, and the pain doesn't feel like it is stopping.
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
On October 14 2012 00:27 sunprince wrote: No one is saying she deserved what happened. The point being made is that attracting sexual attention + disclosing personal information is a bad idea.
Firstly, lots of people are saying she deserved what happened. I mean, they're literally saying "This is 100% her fault, she brought it on herself." And you yourself are applying the same mentality of abusing the term "personal responsibility" to somehow mitigate the trauma she experienced.
And yes, it's a bad idea. But it shouldn't be and no one should be blamed for when others take it too far and hurt them for it.
On October 13 2012 11:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:
White knights like you repress women by reducing them to helpless objects with no agency or influence over their fates. A true egalitarian treats women like adults. We have no problem with telling men that refraining from insulting others will reduce their risk of violent assault, and this isn't treated as blaming them. Why do you think we should treat women as less capable than men?
Was JFK a white knight? Acknowledging and pointing out the societal inequalities doesn't make you a whiteknight. You have a twisted view of criminal responsibility. Women get mistreated sexually more than men, by men, and their sexuality is treated as taboo by EVERYONE, including other women.
TREATS WOMEN LIKE ADULTS? SHE WAS FIFTEEN. I don't treat any 15 year olds like adults. I don't force any level of personal responsibility for being stupid and horny and making a minor mistake on adolescents, especially girls who are much more prone to this kind of slut shaming. It's not sexist to understand and point out the sexism in the world. That's like calling me a racist for pointing out that black people are unfairly tried in the court of law relative to white people.
On October 13 2012 11:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Your reading comprehension is terrible. Women should be able to express their sexuality however they want, the same way that men should be able to walk around gangland while wearing flashy jewelry. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so without taking proper precautions.
Yeah, but then you said she should be afraid of bad people. Like, the one bad person on the internet who tracked her down and extorted her for sex and then leaked her mistake to a bunch of fucked up youths who lack any form of compassion. You don't blame the bad person for being bad, you blame the victim for doing something to make herself feel better at the cost of harming no one. You have your priorities on wrong if you look at this story and don't put all of the blame on the extortioners.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
You seem to have all the data, and yet you are throwing half of it out of the window, when trying to make a conclusion.
Yes, you can get lured, when you want to be accepted, and feel like no one loves you. Everyone wants to be loved. Sometimes you place trust in people to be sincere, because you want to believe they are. When you have placed that trust, then you are willing to do things that you normally wouldn't.
Yes, you are right, they are mostly deluding themselves into feeling alone, that doesn't make the feeling any different. If you feel no one loves you, then that emotions seem as real, as if it was. If you feel alone, then that emotion is as real, as if you were. You recognize that feelings are subjective, and yet you do not understand the implications of that. Even if you are the most spoiled brat in the world, if you feel at pain, then you are. When you are, few go around with the mantra - they have it so much worse in NorthKorea, or Africa or whatever, because your pain still feel real. And all people want to feel love. Those who are spoiled are used to love in abundance, and getting faced with the opposite will feel like excruciating pain. Imagine this: Someone tells you, you are their moon, star, and shining moment - putting you on a pedestal, and then that pedestal is suddenly removed, and that person no longer feels this way - all you were told, feels like lies, and the depths you can fall into can be very lasting. In the other end, if hardship feels like your daily dose since birth, then you are more tough skinned, because you expect nothing else.
This girl trusted people, and was exploited for her inexperience and being gullible. When you place trust in some, in a desperate attempt to be accepted and feeling loved, and you get treated like dirt, then the effect can be devastating.
On October 14 2012 00:27 sunprince wrote: No one is saying she deserved what happened. The point being made is that attracting sexual attention + disclosing personal information is a bad idea.
Firstly, lots of people are saying she deserved what happened. I mean, they're literally saying "This is 100% her fault, she brought it on herself." And you yourself are applying the same mentality of abusing the term "personal responsibility" to somehow mitigate the trauma she experienced.
Noting that she was irresponsible does not mitigate her trauma. It merely points out a mistake that others would do well to avoid.
On October 14 2012 00:27 sunprince wrote: White knights like you repress women by reducing them to helpless objects with no agency or influence over their fates. A true egalitarian treats women like adults. We have no problem with telling men that refraining from insulting others will reduce their risk of violent assault, and this isn't treated as blaming them. Why do you think we should treat women as less capable than men?
Was JFK a white knight? Acknowledging and pointing out the societal inequalities doesn't make you a whiteknight. You have a twisted view of criminal responsibility -- it's apparent here that you are also misogynistic because you view a woman showing her tits as worse than a male doing it.
At no point have I stated anything to suggest that flashing tits is a "bad" thing, merely that it attracts attention, and pairing that attention with giving out personal information is risky behavior. I'm actually quite supportive of nudity of all sorts, but I acknowledge the reality that it can be risky behavior in certain situations.
On October 13 2012 11:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:Women get mistreated sexually more than men, by men, and their sexuality is treated as taboo by EVERYONE, including other women.
[Citation needed]. Men are sexually assaulted nearly as often as women in the general population, and more overall when you add in prison rape. In the first world, female sexuality is pretty much only considered taboo by religious and social conservatives today, whereas male sexuality is still pretty damn taboo in general (it's just called creep shaming instead of slut shaming when directed at men).
On October 13 2012 11:23 TwoToneTerran wrote: TREATS WOMEN LIKE ADULTS? SHE WAS FIFTEEN. I don't treat any 15 year olds like adults. I don't force any level of personal responsibility for being stupid and horny and making a minor mistake on adolescents, especially girls who are much more prone to this kind of slut shaming. It's not sexist to understand and point out the sexism in the world. That's like calling me a racist for pointing out that black people are unfairly tried in the court of law relative to white people.
I'm referring to your general stance on victim blaming, not the particular subject of the OP. It's sexist when your understanding of sexism boils down to "protect the helpless women", instead of understanding how the infantilization of women is crucial to holding them back. The egalitarian thing to do is to treat women the way you treat men, like adults with agency.
On October 14 2012 00:27 sunprince wrote: Your reading comprehension is terrible. Women should be able to express their sexuality however they want, the same way that men should be able to walk around gangland while wearing flashy jewelry. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so without taking proper precautions.
Yeah, but then you said she should be afraid of bad people. Like, the one bad person on the internet who tracked her down and extorted her for sex and then leaked her mistake to a bunch of fucked up youths who lack any form of compassion.
Everyone should be afraid of bad people. It's a bad idea to attract attention while vulnerable, regardless of your gender. You have a right to act irresponsibly, but it's important that we don't pretend that it's a good idea. That doesn't imply living in fear, no more than telling children not to take candy from strangers or telling men not to hang out in gang territory implies encouraging them to live in fear.
On October 13 2012 11:23 TwoToneTerran wrote: You don't blame the bad person for being bad, you blame the victim for doing something to make herself feel better at the cost of harming no one. You have your priorities on wrong if you look at this story and don't put all of the blame on the extortioners.
Wrong. You can blame the bad person for being bad, but ultimately you can only control your own behavior. It would be nice if the world was a nice place where a woman could walk down the street nude at night without being sexually assaulted, but in the real world you must accept that there are potentially bad people out there and protecting yourself is a good idea. I put all of the blame on the bullies, but I'm insisting that her behavior was foolish.
I'm a guy and I'll admit I cried thinking about this. It's heartbreaking for myself and so many others to hear because, even if you don't know the girl, if you've ever felt depressed but you're still here, then you know just how destroyed and lonely she must have felt just before she did it.
It's one of those things that when you read, you just wish so much that you could have been there... that you could have said or done anything for her...
If you let anything good come of this, next time you see someone being bullied, remember Amanda and don't hesitate for a second to help them, no matter what the risk is, it can't be worse than this.
The poor kid must have had so much love that she couldn't express or share, and now she'll never be able to grow or blossom that into something truly inspiring. Also, I can't help but feel a little blame for the pharmecutical companies and their fucking depression medication lobbying. Those drugs make you feel NUMBED emotionally, and that includes the positive energy it sometimes takes to get through this. If anti-anxiety drugs away your own anxiety of death, then suddenly suicide seems so much more viable.
But I'm no expert and that's just my own opinion. I have a lot of respect for Liquid'Nony and I believe he's speaked highly of his own anti-depressive medication in the past so I could indeed be very wrong.
Either way, this is something that should be sorrowful for all of us.
On October 14 2012 00:39 TwoToneTerran wrote: TREATS WOMEN LIKE ADULTS? SHE WAS FIFTEEN. I don't treat any 15 year olds like adults. I don't force any level of personal responsibility for being stupid and horny and making a minor mistake on adolescents, especially girls who are much more prone to this kind of slut shaming. It's not sexist to understand and point out the sexism in the world. That's like calling me a racist for pointing out that black people are unfairly tried in the court of law relative to white people.
It is a debatable position, as to how much personal responsibility should be expected of young teenagers with regard to this issue. But they obviously should take some personal responsibility for *some* things, because that's the natural way for kids to become fully responsible adults. They don't take on responsibilities all at once, but learn things gradually. Its just like how we expect kids not to walk into traffic without looking both ways, or that they understand not to get into a van with a stranger (can't think of another good example right now). Parents can't hold the hand of their kids all the time, especially not when they're teens, so there has to be some level of intelligence on the teen's part to do the right thing.
I think we should definitely be lenient and acknowledge that a girl this young can make a mistake and not be fully aware of the consequences. But speaking how how they *should* be treated...15 year old girls have brains, they can figure things out...and that's often the age when they start experimenting with a lot of things they're technically not supposed to be doing. I feel like as long as they've been properly informed (just like with the D.A.R.E. program in school to inform kids about drugs), they should have the common sense necessary to take more responsibility for the things they post online.
Really there is no alternative. You're not going to stop bullying completely unless you have a very costly, invasive system that monitors interactions between teenagers. Maybe for now kids are unaware of these things (I'm not entirely sure how true that is across the board)...but at least for the future, I think kids need to be made aware either by their parents or the school and then take personal responsibility.
RIP Amanda Todd. All I have to say is what in the fuck is wrong with that dude who stalked her over the years and continued to hand out the video to students in the schools she attended. Hope there is a hell, for sadists like these.
Yes, she made incredibly stupid mistakes. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, in a way she brought this on herself.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHE DESERVED *ANY* OF WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH. There is a BIG difference. Wherever she is, I hope she has found the happiness she was seeking...rest now, Amanda, you deserve your peace...-sniff-
On October 14 2012 01:19 tMomiji wrote: Yes, she made incredibly stupid mistakes. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, in a way she brought this on herself.
She brought it on herself to get harrassed and her life ruined multiple times by the same person?
That is interesting. I'd see the ppl at fault who obviously had the goal to ruin someone's life.
On October 14 2012 01:19 tMomiji wrote: Yes, she made incredibly stupid mistakes. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, in a way she brought this on herself.
She brought it on herself to get harrassed and her life ruined multiple times by the same person?
That is interesting. I'd see the ppl at fault who obviously had the goal to ruin someone's life.
None of the statements you quoted were false. tMomiji made perfectly clear that she was not at fault. Why would you cut of his quote?
On October 14 2012 00:16 habermas wrote: I really don't understand people that feel so sorry for her. There's so much shit going on in the world to feel sorry about yet some random teenager that commits suicide seems to create an outrage of compassion bigger than real tragedies often involving many lives.
And since I'm on it i can't understand most of the actions this girl did. The story just seems like some made up bullshit. She lost all her friends because of a photo of boobs? Really? I'm pretty sure if a photo of my dick got public on the internet I wouldn't lose all my friends if any. Except I assume her boobs were actually nice to look at, so what's the problem? And if she really was so sensitive etc. why no one had helped her: parents, teachers, psychologist? Everyone hated her because of the boobs? Also you don't have to have a facebook account.
Seriously the whole global mourning after her saddens me more then this whole story.
One man dies and it is a tragedy, thousands die and it's a statistics
So yes, she will far more attention than she deserves because she made a video on youtube and people love drama. Also in such an individualist society, it's so easy to get a response through emotions, we could cry over all the kids who suffer in coltan mines so we can get our cool gadgets, but there's so many ... Plus they don't have good sob stories to tell , unlike one brat who showed her body to some random guy because her parents didn't educate her properly on what the internet is
Note that i'm not saying "she got what she deserved", she made mistakes and it ended up hurting her a lot, enough that she deems it worth a suicide, nor am i saying we should all cry for the hundreds of thousands who die so that we can live more comfortably... I merely wanted to point out the hypocrisy of the western world
On October 14 2012 00:16 habermas wrote: I really don't understand people that feel so sorry for her. There's so much shit going on in the world to feel sorry about yet some random teenager that commits suicide seems to create an outrage of compassion bigger than real tragedies often involving many lives.
And since I'm on it i can't understand most of the actions this girl did. The story just seems like some made up bullshit. She lost all her friends because of a photo of boobs? Really? I'm pretty sure if a photo of my dick got public on the internet I wouldn't lose all my friends if any. Except I assume her boobs were actually nice to look at, so what's the problem? And if she really was so sensitive etc. why no one had helped her: parents, teachers, psychologist? Everyone hated her because of the boobs? Also you don't have to have a facebook account.
Seriously the whole global mourning after her saddens me more then this whole story.
I merely wanted to point out the hypocrisy of the western world
Thank you, this is the place and time for that. You really enlightened us.
i find it hard to express an opinion since we really wont ever know what actually happened - Whats her fould what was not, hard to tell . Its another sad story of our species.
I wonder what kind of parents she had, to be able to do all those bad mistakes they must have not had much postitive influence towards her. Sad story. Coulda been stopped. Why didn't the school step in? So many questions, but the fact is, it didn't matter the stuff she did, or what kind of person she was, no one deserves to suffer so much at the hands of others being idiots. To force her into a state in which she decided to kill herself.
On October 14 2012 01:19 tMomiji wrote: Yes, she made incredibly stupid mistakes. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, in a way she brought this on herself.
She brought it on herself to get harrassed and her life ruined multiple times by the same person?
That is interesting. I'd see the ppl at fault who obviously had the goal to ruin someone's life.
None of the statements you quoted were false. tMomiji made perfectly clear that she was not at fault. Why would you cut of his quote?
I guess people like to twist words. Thank you for seeing this.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
On October 14 2012 01:47 Lip the Pencilboy wrote: i find it hard to express an opinion since we really wont ever know what actually happened - Whats her fould what was not, hard to tell . Its another sad story of our species.
The point is that, from a bystander's point of view, passing judgement in this case is a non-issue; By definition of the interiority of suicide and suicidal ideation, it is impossible for a third-party to make a valid judgement as it pertains to the "rightness" of the girls actions. Instead we ought to simply mourn her death and do what we can to prevent these sorts of situations from happening.
It's too late for her, but parents should take greater care of their children, so that they don't end up like this. She was left alone with a computer connected to the internet at a young age, and it's very easy to make mistakes when you're young, inexperienced and there's no one else to prevent it. I don't think she deserved it, because of her naivety. I just hope there is a special place in hell for her stalker
On October 14 2012 02:24 teamsolid wrote: The amount of victim blaming in this thread just makes me completely sick. I had no idea so many people in this world lack empathy.
I can see where they are coming from - to some extent, and only some. When I first saw this story, I didn't post because my gut reaction was something along the lines of "stupid ho, who cares if she's gone" etc etc. Then I slept on it, woke up, and immediately punched myself in the face. Hard. Yeah she made stupid decisions, but think about it: Who HASN'T? We were all young once; we've all done stupid things when we should have known better. Every single one of us. Her stupid decisions are no excuse for the abuse she received. Nobody deserves what happened to her. Period.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
On October 14 2012 02:24 teamsolid wrote: The amount of victim blaming in this thread just makes me completely sick. I had no idea so many people in this world lack empathy.
I can see where they are coming from - to some extent, and only some. When I first saw this story, I didn't post because my gut reaction was something along the lines of "stupid ho, who cares if she's gone" etc etc. Then I slept on it, woke up, and immediately punched myself in the face. Hard. Yeah she made stupid decisions, but think about it: Who HASN'T? We were all young once; we've all done stupid things when we should have known better. Every single one of us. Her stupid decisions are no excuse for the abuse she received. Nobody deserves what happened to her. Period.
Everyone makes mistakes, everyone has shit happen to them.
But most of us put our heads down and get on with it because there are far more important things in the world than some kids being assholes. Killing yourself is just stupid. Especially when it stems from getting your tits out on webcam to a bunch of strangers.
It makes people with real mental health issues who are at risk from suicide every day seem less significant that this is so popularised. People need to straighten out their priorities.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
It's true...I remember being tormented that way back when I was around her age and I really did try to cut myself off from everyone to make the pain stop. But unlike her I made -sure- I didn't do anything stupid. I feel sorry for her, because the stalking issue was just creepy and horrible, and I know what it's like to literally be the laughingstock of the entire school, but sleeping with a boy who she knew full well had a girlfriend? (At that age????) And then wondering why she was labeled as...well, a slut? That's the one thing I cannot find an excuse for. She didn't deserve what happened to her, I will not say that nor will you EVER hear me say that, but...she's just not as blameless as so many people make her out to be.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're also part of the "if girls dress revealing they invite rape onto themselves" crowd as-well.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
It seems strange bizarre and wrong to you and I that she cut herself off and that she showed her breasts over the internet. You blame a young girl for making those decisions, I say that their were other factors in her life that caused her to make those decisions and, as a child, she shouldn't be held responsible. She didn't make conscience decisions to cut herself off or to flash that guy; she did it because of unconscious forces that she has no control over.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
It's true...I remember being tormented that way back when I was around her age and I really did try to cut myself off from everyone to make the pain stop. But unlike her I made -sure- I didn't do anything stupid. I feel sorry for her, because the stalking issue was just creepy and horrible, and I know what it's like to literally be the laughingstock of the entire school, but sleeping with a boy who she knew full well had a girlfriend? (At that age????) And then wondering why she was labeled as...well, a slut? That's the one thing I cannot find an excuse for. She didn't deserve what happened to her, I will not say that nor will you EVER hear me say that, but...she's just not as blameless as so many people make her out to be.
I think it's fairly obvious she slept with that boy because she was incapable of giving her own life validation herself and tried to find it in that boy. The problem here is bad parenting combined with a shitty environment that punished her for needing others to find fulfillment which isn't healthy, but not many kids can do that at that age.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're also part of the "if girls dress revealing they invite rape onto themselves" crowd as-well.
Am I right?
I KNEW this would come up. -settles down and waits for the flame war to begin-
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
It's true...I remember being tormented that way back when I was around her age and I really did try to cut myself off from everyone to make the pain stop. But unlike her I made -sure- I didn't do anything stupid. I feel sorry for her, because the stalking issue was just creepy and horrible, and I know what it's like to literally be the laughingstock of the entire school, but sleeping with a boy who she knew full well had a girlfriend? (At that age????) And then wondering why she was labeled as...well, a slut? That's the one thing I cannot find an excuse for. She didn't deserve what happened to her, I will not say that nor will you EVER hear me say that, but...she's just not as blameless as so many people make her out to be.
I think it's fairly obvious she slept with that boy because she was incapable of giving her own life validation herself and tried to find it in that boy. The problem here is bad parenting combined with a shitty environment that punished her for needing others to find fulfillment which isn't healthy, but not many kids can do that at that age.
You may be right, but I'll always remain torn. Perhaps I'm just cold and harsh in judging others because others have been cold and harsh in judging me through my life, haha. All I can say for sure is that she didn't *deserve* what happened to her. Did she invite it? Personally I think so, but it's still a matter for debate. Is she to blame? Partially, but the bastard who stalked her is much more so to blame. Shame on him. Should she have known better? I think absolutely yes.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're also part of the "if girls dress revealing they invite rape onto themselves" crowd as-well.
Am I right?
Get out. That is the best response you're going to get from me.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
It seems strange bizarre and wrong to you and I that she cut herself off and that she showed her breasts over the internet. You blame a young girl for making those decisions, I say that their were other factors in her life that caused her to make those decisions and, as a child, she shouldn't be held responsible. She didn't make conscience decisions to cut herself off or to flash that guy; she did it because of unconscious forces that she has no control over.
Once again you're deflecting all the blame.
"She didn't make conscience decisions to cut herself off or to flash that guy; she did it because of unconscious forces that she has no control over."
This makes my brain hurt. I can't believe people actually think this.
"and, as a child, she shouldn't be held responsible."
By that logic teenagers who murder people shouldn't be held accountable by their actions.
On October 14 2012 01:19 tMomiji wrote: Yes, she made incredibly stupid mistakes. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, in a way she brought this on herself.
She brought it on herself to get harrassed and her life ruined multiple times by the same person?
That is interesting. I'd see the ppl at fault who obviously had the goal to ruin someone's life.
None of the statements you quoted were false. tMomiji made perfectly clear that she was not at fault. Why would you cut of his quote?
I guess people like to twist words. Thank you for seeing this.
Didnt twist anything.
Nowhere in his post did he make it clear that it was not her fault. Instead, he drops this nice sentence here:
Yes, she made incredibly stupid mistakes. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, in a way she brought this on herself.
Followed by a funny
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHE DESERVED *ANY* OF WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH. There is a BIG difference
Flashing titts may not be the smartest decision, but it is absolutely NOT her responsibility that some messed up ppl go on a harrass spree and she did NOT bring this on herself.
If one of my ex gfs actually took a pic of my dick and would now try to ruin my life, am I responsible for that in a way? :D Am I really responsible for other ppl's utterly useless below mustard IQ?
Even though I am not a native english speaking person, but meaning sth. and the written down sentence often exclude themselves.
You may be right, but I'll always remain torn. Perhaps I'm just cold and harsh in judging others because others have been cold and harsh in judging me through my life, haha. All I can say for sure is that she didn't *deserve* what happened to her. Did she invite it? Personally I think so, but it's still a matter for debate. Is she to blame? Partially, but the bastard who stalked her is much more so to blame. Shame on him. Should she have known better? I think absolutely yes.
Did she deserve it?
NO!!!!!
This pretty much sums up all my reactions to this, anyone, regardless of age should never give out personal information over the internet or send pictures of yourself, tits or no tits. Also, randomly hooking up for sex, especially in high school can never, ever end well. On another note, I find it interesting that the original description of the video says she wants to be an inspiration to others to be strong. Yet she killed herself anyway, is there possibly something after the video that we don't know. Anyone have any other info to add to this thread?
On October 14 2012 01:19 tMomiji wrote: Yes, she made incredibly stupid mistakes. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, in a way she brought this on herself.
She brought it on herself to get harrassed and her life ruined multiple times by the same person?
That is interesting. I'd see the ppl at fault who obviously had the goal to ruin someone's life.
None of the statements you quoted were false. tMomiji made perfectly clear that she was not at fault. Why would you cut of his quote?
I guess people like to twist words. Thank you for seeing this.
Didnt twist anything.
Nowhere in his post did he make it clear that it was not her fault. Instead, he drops this nice sentence here:
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHE DESERVED *ANY* OF WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH. There is a BIG difference
Flashing titts may not be the smartest decision, but it is absolutely NOT her responsibility that some messed up ppl go on a harrass spree and she did NOT bring this on herself.
If one of my ex gfs actually took a pic of my dick and would now try to ruin my life, am I responsible for that in a way? :D Am I really responsible for other ppl's utterly useless below mustard IQ?
Even though I am not a native english speaking person, but meaning sth. and the written down sentence often exclude themselves.
On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote: only the stupid commit suicide.
No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER?
Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being.
What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic.
@Below:
I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious.
I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions.
From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent.
But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death.
On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote: only the stupid commit suicide.
No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
Don't take this the wrong way, but i'd like to see some proof for that statement, i know some very dumb and very depressed people.
On October 14 2012 02:24 teamsolid wrote: The amount of victim blaming in this thread just makes me completely sick. I had no idea so many people in this world lack empathy.
In this particular case, while I don't agree, I understand where they're coming from. She made a lot of bad decisions which led to the clusterfuck that was the last part of her life.
The fact that she was bullied is sad and shouldn't happen, but it was... foreseeable
On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote: only the stupid commit suicide.
No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER?
Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being.
What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic.
@Below:
I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious.
I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions.
From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent.
But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death.
Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible.
On October 14 2012 02:24 teamsolid wrote: The amount of victim blaming in this thread just makes me completely sick. I had no idea so many people in this world lack empathy.
In this particular case, while I don't agree, I understand where they're coming from. She made a lot of bad decisions which led to the clusterfuck that was the last part of her life.
The fact that she was bullied is sad and shouldn't happen, but it was... foreseeable
Pretty much. I'm not sure why people on BOTH sides can't understand that this case is not black and white.
On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote: only the stupid commit suicide.
No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER?
Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being.
What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic.
@Below:
I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious.
I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions.
From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent.
But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death.
Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible.
Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this...
@Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died.
On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote: only the stupid commit suicide.
No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER?
Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being.
What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic.
@Below:
I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious.
I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions.
From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent.
But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death.
Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible.
Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this...
@Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died.
I don't get how you can say someone who meets people online and shows them their boobs and fucks guys in commited relationships is completely free of blame.. Yes she met the wrong people. Yes she was bullied and what the people did with that photo was disgusting. Still she provided all the opurtinities.
And that is what I wish everyone would take away from this. Think before doing something, avoid situations like that. You cannot only rely on others to keep you out of harm, you have to do your part as well.
Obviously this is an extreme case and I wish whoever published that facebook page and black mailed her and just kept fucking up her life would face serious consequences. Still, it was very preventable.
Edit: Also, people who say they don't care at all are either complete sociopaths or, and this is way more likely, 14 yo boys who try to look tough over the interwebz. In other words, your standart Forum idiot..
On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote: only the stupid commit suicide.
No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER?
Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being.
What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic.
@Below:
I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious.
I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions.
From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent.
But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death.
Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible.
Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this...
@Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died.
That part is, sure. I don't think anyone is denying that...and if they are that's nuts.
What I'm referring to is that someone pointing out that she made really stupid decisions is somehow twisted into saying that she deserved what happened to her, or some crap. Yeah - she made bad decisions and continually made bad decisions when she should have known better. Anyone who tries to deny that is just blind to the facts. But does making bad decisions make someone deserving of the hell she went through? My answer, for the hundredth time, is a big, resounding, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote: only the stupid commit suicide.
No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER?
Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being.
What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic.
@Below:
I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious.
I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions.
From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent.
But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death.
Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible.
Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this...
@Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died.
I don't get how you can say someone who meets people online and shows them their boobs and fucks guys in commited relationships is completely free of blame.. Yes she met the wrong people. Yes she was bullied and what the people did with that photo was disgusting. Still she provided all the opurtinities.
And that is what I wish everyone would take away from this. Think before doing something, avoid situations like that. You cannot only rely on others to keep you out of harm, you have to do your part as well.
Obviously this is an extreme case and I wish whoever published that facebook page and black mailed her and just kept fucking up her life would face serious consequences. Still, it was very preventable.
Edit: Also, people who say they don't care at all are either complete sociopaths or, and this is way more likely, 14 yo boys who try to look tough over the interwebz. In other words, your standart Forum idiot..
Thank you; this is what I'm talking about. I hope the people who hurt her do get punished - severely - because they had no right to do that to her, no matter how bad the decision she made. Unfortunately, these people (I use that term loosely) will always be out there and you have to be careful!! T-T I wish someone had warned her...then none of this would have happened...
I guess where we disagree is that to me the problem isn't about showing your breasts or coping with bullying, etc, it's about the underlying desolation of society and how it's possible for people to become so disillusioned in their search for human connection that they don't see an alternative to this action.
Maybe if people hugged instead of taunted each other, these opportunities wouldn't have existed.
Then again, I'm sure you have a point, but I just can't stomach to judge a late person in their position.
I like to remember with insight Until it becomes obsessive and trite Now I'm driven to believe That if man is only free locked in a prison of memories Then maybe I'd rather be a slave To an amnestic mentality
On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote: only the stupid commit suicide.
No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER?
Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being.
What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic.
@Below:
I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious.
I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions.
From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent.
But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death.
Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible.
Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this...
@Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died.
I don't get how you can say someone who meets people online and shows them their boobs and fucks guys in commited relationships is completely free of blame.. Yes she met the wrong people. Yes she was bullied and what the people did with that photo was disgusting. Still she provided all the opurtinities.
And that is what I wish everyone would take away from this. Think before doing something, avoid situations like that. You cannot only rely on others to keep you out of harm, you have to do your part as well.
Obviously this is an extreme case and I wish whoever published that facebook page and black mailed her and just kept fucking up her life would face serious consequences. Still, it was very preventable.
Edit: Also, people who say they don't care at all are either complete sociopaths or, and this is way more likely, 14 yo boys who try to look tough over the interwebz. In other words, your standart Forum idiot..
Lol "committed relationships". Is that like the "in French it means something else" thing?
I can't believe you're actually arguing people making mistakes means they're "providing opportunities" for this kind of shit. If that's what you want people to take away from this you have your own problems.
Listen to people around you every once and a while. Make them not feel alone (nothing turns friends into absentees faster than depression, yet you need nothing more at that time), don't wait until they're trending on Twitter. And certainly don't make other people's life hell. Be a fucking human being. Maybe some ideas for take aways?
On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote: only the stupid commit suicide.
No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER?
Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being.
What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic.
@Below:
I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious.
I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions.
From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent.
But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death.
Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible.
Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this...
@Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died.
I don't get how you can say someone who meets people online and shows them their boobs and fucks guys in commited relationships is completely free of blame.. Yes she met the wrong people. Yes she was bullied and what the people did with that photo was disgusting. Still she provided all the opurtinities.
And that is what I wish everyone would take away from this. Think before doing something, avoid situations like that. You cannot only rely on others to keep you out of harm, you have to do your part as well.
Obviously this is an extreme case and I wish whoever published that facebook page and black mailed her and just kept fucking up her life would face serious consequences. Still, it was very preventable.
Edit: Also, people who say they don't care at all are either complete sociopaths or, and this is way more likely, 14 yo boys who try to look tough over the interwebz. In other words, your standart Forum idiot..
Lol "committed relationships". Is that like the "in French it means something else" thing?
I can't believe you're actually arguing people making mistakes means they're "providing opportunities" for this kind of shit. If that's what you want people to take away from this you have your own problems.
Listen to people around you every once and a while. Make them not feel alone (nothing turns friends into absentees faster than depression, yet you need nothing more at that time), don't wait until they're trending on Twitter. And certainly don't make other people's life hell. Be a fucking human being. Maybe some ideas for take aways?
This is the kind of post i appreciate. I simply don't understand people who look at this and take away that "hah this means its stupid to show anyone your boobs" instead of "Hey, look at what society allowed to happen to this girl, this means that next time you see someone who could be hurting inside, take the time from your day to be a human"
She did things she shouldn't have, but these people went out of their way to torment her, like they didn't have anything else to do.
I'd also say the medical attention she received was shabby(A total flop, since she's dead). The psychiatrist(s) in question failed to identify or put enough emphasis on the root of the problem-cyberbullying. Sure, antidepressants and counselling sessions help, but what's the point if the stressors are not sufficiently dealt with? They even had a huge warning sign shoved up their noses when she overdosed(a patient who's known to be suicidal no less).
Extremely sad, as it brings back memories for me. I recently was able to overcome my depression and social anxiety partially due to bullying in school. I too attempted suicide in 3 different attempts, but luckily was unsuccessful. I am truly sorry for her family as well as her true friends loss. The feeling of loneliness can take its toll.
On October 14 2012 02:30 zimp wrote: all these bans makes me not express my thoughts.
You are fine to express your thoughts and negative ones at that.
Most bans were NOTE** paraphrased
"biggest rage quit ever" "multiple times calling her a "whore" and then leading into saying if he was a girl with her he'd beat the shit out of her too"
Those were why the bans hit, not because they had negative outlook on the situation, there is a difference between having an opinion that is unpopular and showing no empathy nor respect and acting like a child, thus the ban ensued.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
I'm sure you can relate from that high horse of yours. And she -IS- juvenile, not a great thinker, are you?
haha, names every single thing a teenager is. Stupid, selfish and well, they're literally juvenile. That guy right there eh?
On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote: Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility.
One Word: THIRTEEN.
[Defacer drops mic. Internet applauds.]
Congratulations, you completely missed the context. This was referring to TwoToneTerran's characterization of advocating safety as "victim blaming".
Again: THIRTEEN.
YOU are completely missing the context. Using the suicide of a tormented and bullied thirteen year-old as an example for why people should take responsibility for their 'safety' is the most ridiculous agenda ever, and absolutely beneath you. I KNOW you're smarter than this.
It's like taking the passengers in the planes that were hijacked during 9-11, and using them for a cautionary tale about why we shouldn't trust strangers. It's a totally inappropriate opportunity to make a rather lame observation.
Furthermore, your simply wrong -- she absolutely, actively took precautionary measures. She made one mistake when she was thirteen and subsequently moved schools and entire towns. Do these not count as radical steps to protect her own safety?
Seriously dude, pick better battles. This one is dumb.
On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote: Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility.
One Word: THIRTEEN.
[Defacer drops mic. Internet applauds.]
Congratulations, you completely missed the context. This was referring to TwoToneTerran's characterization of advocating safety as "victim blaming".
Again: THIRTEEN.
YOU are completely are missing the context. Using the suicide of a tormented and bullied thirteen year-old as an example for why people should take responsibility for their 'safety' is the most ridiculous agenda ever, and absolutely beneath you. I KNOW you're smarter than this.
It's like taking the passengers in the planes that where hijacked during 9-11, and using it as a cautionary tale for why we shouldn't trust strangers. It's a totally inappropriate opportunity to make a rather lame observation.
Furthermore, your simply wrong -- she absolutely, actively took precautionary measures. She made one mistake when she was thirteen and subsequently moved schools and entire towns. Do these not count as radical steps to protect her own safety?
Seriously dude, pick better battles. This one is dumb.
On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote: Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility.
One Word: THIRTEEN.
[Defacer drops mic. Internet applauds.]
Congratulations, you completely missed the context. This was referring to TwoToneTerran's characterization of advocating safety as "victim blaming".
Again: THIRTEEN.
YOU are completely are missing the context. Using the suicide of a tormented and bullied thirteen year-old as an example for why people should take responsibility for their 'safety' is the most ridiculous agenda ever, and absolutely beneath you. I KNOW you're smarter than this.
It's like taking the passengers in the planes that where hijacked during 9-11, and using it as a cautionary tale for why we shouldn't trust strangers. It's a totally inappropriate opportunity to make a rather lame observation.
Furthermore, your simply wrong -- she absolutely, actively took precautionary measures. She made one mistake when she was thirteen and subsequently moved schools and entire towns. Do these not count as radical steps to protect her own safety?
Seriously dude, pick better battles. This one is dumb.
Exactly. It's a good analogy even if it isn't perfect.
"The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."
On a personal note, I think a lot of these things she got bullied for were her own conscious decisions. Flashing tits, giving the guy a show, hooking up with that other guy, are all decisions she made, and that was her downfall.
THAT BEING SAID, that in no way excuses the people who said that to her. Anyone who would tell someone to go kill themselves, anyone who would tell someone that nobody likes them, anybody at all who would have the gall, the nature, the lack of character to tell someone that is subhuman. Those people are all animals, disgusting subhuman beings who do not deserve the goodwill they get. I'm in high school now, but I have never met anyone who would tell someone to go kill themselves. I have never been told to go kill myself. I have never told someone to go kill themselves. Maybe it's because I'm a rich white kid who goes to a private school, maybe this stuff does happen around me and I just don't see it, but my life must clearly not be indicative of the world. Shit man. These people...... how can people be this cruel.....
On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote: only the stupid commit suicide.
No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER?
Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being.
What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic.
@Below:
I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious.
I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions.
From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent.
But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death.
Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible.
Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this...
@Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died.
I don't get how you can say someone who meets people online and shows them their boobs and fucks guys in commited relationships is completely free of blame.. Yes she met the wrong people. Yes she was bullied and what the people did with that photo was disgusting. Still she provided all the opurtinities.
And that is what I wish everyone would take away from this. Think before doing something, avoid situations like that. You cannot only rely on others to keep you out of harm, you have to do your part as well.
Obviously this is an extreme case and I wish whoever published that facebook page and black mailed her and just kept fucking up her life would face serious consequences. Still, it was very preventable.
Edit: Also, people who say they don't care at all are either complete sociopaths or, and this is way more likely, 14 yo boys who try to look tough over the interwebz. In other words, your standart Forum idiot..
I'm about to vomit from all the slut-shaming in this thread... I mean it seriously is beginning to sound like she raped the guy or something. Forgive me if I'm wrong but aren't the following points pretty much fact at this point? 1. Girl is not in a relationship 2. Girl decides to have sex with someone 3. Guy is in a relationship 4. Guy decides to have sex with someone I fail to see where there is a problem with the woman in this situation. The three of them are not in a poly amorous relationship. She has no ethical obligation to the guy's girlfriend. She has no responsibility to ensure the monogamy of someone else's relationship. That is true unless you believe that monogamy is part of society's ethical framework, a notion I would dispute.
On October 14 2012 06:54 BaconofWar wrote: On a personal note, I think a lot of these things she got bullied for were her own conscious decisions. Flashing tits, giving the guy a show, hooking up with that other guy, are all decisions she made, and that was her downfall.
THAT BEING SAID, that in no way excuses the people who said that to her. Anyone who would tell someone to go kill themselves, anyone who would tell someone that nobody likes them, anybody at all who would have the gall, the nature, the lack of character to tell someone that is subhuman. Those people are all animals, disgusting subhuman beings who do not deserve the goodwill they get. I'm in high school now, but I have never met anyone who would tell someone to go kill themselves. I have never been told to go kill myself. I have never told someone to go kill themselves. Maybe it's because I'm a rich white kid who goes to a private school, maybe this stuff does happen around me and I just don't see it, but my life must clearly not be indicative of the world. Shit man. These people...... how can people be this cruel.....
Your personal note oversimplifies the situation; while that does make these continuing occurances easier to comprehend it misses the issue and provides no suggestion on how to prevent or respond to this shit.
I disagree. You are not automatically part of the problem if you are not part of the solution. This way of thinking is really bad and I will explain why:
In this situation, you are only considering two possibilities: 1. You are trying to solving the problem. 2. You are trying to not solve the problem.
In this way of thinking, everyone is 100% committed to one side. This means that you automatically support a stance and are also against a stance.
Of course this cannot be true because people are for or against an idea on different levels. Would you say that the bullies are just as much part of the problem as, say myself, who did nothing to prevent this from happening? How about the people who are going to wear pink shirts on the following Monday? Would you say that they are doing just as much to solve the problem as Matthew Wong, who is going to actively talk to people about bullying?
Wong even discusses on the topic of “pink day” in his article: “But frankly, I believe that is one of the stupidest things to do. Bash me if you want, but hear me out. Wearing pink may raise awareness for the problem of bullying, but it does NOTHING to FIX the problem.”
Is he perhaps grouping those people who are going to wear pink with the bullies themselves as they are not solving the problem? I would say that what he is doing will simply have a greater impact than the pink shirt-wearers. Therefore, we must use a different scale to confront this problem.
First, we must consider the alternate possibilities. Our first two cases are fine as they are, but we must add one more:
1. You are trying to solving the problem. 2. You are trying to not solve the problem. 3. You are not trying to solve the problem.
In the case, “You are not trying to solve the problem”, the individual is neutral on the matter. They are not for or against the idea. They are either oblivious to the problem or they cannot decide which stance to commit to. An example would be the idea of abortion. Many people are against the idea and many people are for it. There are many people who can’t decide whether it is right or wrong, and there are say, children, who don’t even know what abortion is so they have no stance. These are the people who fit into category three, “You are not trying to solve the problem”. These people are not working for or against one side. Consequently, they are neutral. There are varying degrees of neutrality though. People in the neutral zone are more likely to change their mind often. When they hear a positive argument for one side, they may lean one way, whereas, if they hear a positive argument for the other side, they may lean back the other way.
A scale of zero to ten is much better than for or against. It gives much more data on a person’s point of view and is more accurate.
I suggest the scale start at 0-3 being for, 3-7 being neutral, and 7-10 being against. The topic is “Do you actively prevent bullying from happening?”
In this situation, I would say that most people would be rated at 5. Although people may be against bullying, they do not actively try to prevent it from happening.
People rated at a 7 might be the pink shirt-wearers, but the people at 9 would Wong and others who have a greater impact.
Likewise, people who are rated 3 would be the ones that watch their friends bully another person without stopping it, and people at 1 would be the bullies themselves.
Forgive the cliché but, I believe that people need to stop thinking in black and white and realize that there are shades of grey as well. Please don’t use logical fallacies such as the false dilemma. And lastly, criticize everything; it is the way to find the best possible answer.
Keep in mind that there are no right or wrong ways of doing things; there are simply better or worse ways.
On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote: Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility.
One Word: THIRTEEN.
[Defacer drops mic. Internet applauds.]
Congratulations, you completely missed the context. This was referring to TwoToneTerran's characterization of advocating safety as "victim blaming".
Again: THIRTEEN.
YOU are completely missing the context. Using the suicide of a tormented and bullied thirteen year-old as an example for why people should take responsibility for their 'safety' is the most ridiculous agenda ever, and absolutely beneath you. I KNOW you're smarter than this.
It's like taking the passengers in the planes that were hijacked during 9-11, and using them for a cautionary tale about why we shouldn't trust strangers. It's a totally inappropriate opportunity to make a rather lame observation.
Furthermore, your simply wrong -- she absolutely, actively took precautionary measures. She made one mistake when she was thirteen and subsequently moved schools and entire towns. Do these not count as radical steps to protect her own safety?
Seriously dude, pick better battles. This one is dumb.
What exactly is wrong with saying that young teens should be more aware of the dangers of posting images of themselves on the internet?
I am genuinely confused as to why it would be a bad, almost immoral thing to do from the way you make it sound. How is supporting a call for safety a "ridiculous agenda"? Its a perfectly reasonable thing to point out, given the circumstances, as it was one of the things that led to her death, and is something that more young teens should be made aware of in order to avoid similar fates from other cyber-bullies and the ensuing pain of depression. If your only criticism after that is that it's a "lame" observation, well okay then, but your insulting attacks are unnecessary and unhelpful to what was a point meant to bring light and awareness to what potential victims can do to avoid these situations.
Also your 9-11 example doesn't really work...because not trusting strangers is an extreme way of dealing with the problem. The appropriate remark would be that there needs to be better security measures aboard airplanes (well fortified cockpit doors with locks?), and at that point I don't think the analogy has much to do with this situation.
But moreover, how is it inappropriate? Yes someone died, but why should that mean that we aren't allowed to discuss things that could help other teens? No one is going to her funeral and telling the mother "boy what she did was pretty dumb"...we are simply having an intellectual discussion on how these problems should be avoided in the future. If anything it is the *moral* thing to do to talk about how to avoid these problems while the issue is still fresh in everyone's mind. Why is it a bad thing to promote safety? I mean...are we supposed to be in mourning for at least a week before we're allowed to talk about how to help other teens avoid similar fates? It just seems way to hypersensitive.
Also the precautionary measures aren't the ones he is talking about. He is strictly referring to her decisions made online, which you referred to as "one mistake". It is a significant mistake, and awareness does need to be raised on the seriousness of it.
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out things that teens can do to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*; this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out that kids can do things to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*, this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
Exactly. I agree. People SHOULD be holding the bullies and the person that actively tried to defame and extort her accountable. That would be taking the situation seriously.
Expecting a 13 year old to stop acting like a 13 year is the exact OPPOSITE of taking the situation seriously.
To people who think suicide is selfish: Get off your religious high horse and think about how things in life actually affect people who don't have the mental fortitude to shake it off and try to be happy.
To people who say anything along the lines of "She deserved it": I sincerely hope you die alone knowing that no one loves you
On October 14 2012 07:30 SoulSever wrote: To people who think suicide is selfish: Get off your religious high horse and think about how things in life actually affect people who don't have the mental fortitude to shake it off and try to be happy.
To people who say anything along the lines of "She deserved it": I sincerely hope you die alone knowing that no one loves you
Let me fix that for you. Has nothing to do with religion .
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out that kids can do things to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*, this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
Exactly. I agree. People SHOULD be holding the bullies and the person that actively tried to defame and extort her accountable. That would be taking the situation seriously.
Expecting a 13 year old to stop acting like a 13 year is the exact OPPOSITE of taking the situation seriously.
So flashing people over a webcam is a 13 year old being a 13 year old? I...really have to disagree here. Here's a question: Where were her parents to teach her that this kind of stuff is dangerous and can have dire consequences...as, sadly, seen?
"There ain't no flame that can blaze enough, to trump being hated for the way you love, Cry yourself to sleep and hate waking up; it's a cold world y'all, shame on us."
It truly is a cold, horrible world when you can't feel the warmth of another person's sincere caring in love and human connection.
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out that kids can do things to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*, this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
Exactly. I agree. People SHOULD be holding the bullies and the person that actively tried to defame and extort her accountable. That would be taking the situation seriously.
Expecting a 13 year old to stop acting like a 13 year is the exact OPPOSITE of taking the situation seriously.
So flashing people over a webcam is a 13 year old being a 13 year old? I...really have to disagree here. Here's a question: Where were her parents to teach her that this kind of stuff is dangerous and can have dire consequences...as, sadly, seen?
What 13 year old always listens to every "dire and dangerous" warning their parent has ever said?
Every single teenager ever alive has done something stupid. The internet simply provides a means to relay it to the world and make every mistake permanent.
On October 14 2012 07:30 SoulSever wrote: To people who think suicide is selfish: Get off your religious high horse and think about how things in life actually affect people who don't have the mental fortitude to shake it off and try to be happy.
To people who say anything along the lines of "She deserved it": I sincerely hope you die alone knowing that no one loves you
Let me fix that for you. Has nothing to do with religion .
I'm not a biblical expert but suicide being a sin is definitely where people get the idea that it's shameful and selfish
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out that kids can do things to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*, this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
Exactly. I agree. People SHOULD be holding the bullies and the person that actively tried to defame and extort her accountable. That would be taking the situation seriously.
Expecting a 13 year old to stop acting like a 13 year is the exact OPPOSITE of taking the situation seriously.
So flashing people over a webcam is a 13 year old being a 13 year old? I...really have to disagree here. Here's a question: Where were her parents to teach her that this kind of stuff is dangerous and can have dire consequences...as, sadly, seen?
My wife once told me that her and her friends, when they were 12 and 13, used to call those neighborhood sex chat lines during sleepovers and pretend to hot, sexy ladies. They used a power drill for sound effects.
Boys and girls at that age are fucking stupid, dude, and do totally inappropriate shit. No amount of parenting can curb it. What this girl did was stupid girl-shit, and her punishment was to be stalked and tormented for two years, despite relocating to a different town or school. That is and shouldn't be considered a 'normal', expected or tolerable consequence.
Honestly, I think if she was a drug-dealing 18 year-old prostitute that stole from her johns, maybe, just maybe, I'd be more willing to argue the merits of karma and personal responsibility.
On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
If I were a mod, I would probably ban you so can reflect on your stupidity.
It doesn't matter if she was beautiful, rich or living in a good country. What matters is that she was not well, she was suffering. It disgusts me how you have absolutely ZERO idea about suicide, about people try to commit suicide and people committing suicide ; you are just throwing your opinions without thinking about them.
Every person react differently to situations like this. Some can easily overcome them ; some can't. It would appears Amanda was in the latter. Some can handle pressure, hate, pain ; she couldn't. She needed help, but she didn't get it (was it because she didn't look? Was it because she didn't know whom to confess to?)
Here, let me tell you this. Starving is painful, no one will disagree with that. Did you know that pain isn't just physical? Psychological pain is recognized and sometimes can be hard to fight against. You can easily set up laws against physical abuse ; but psychological abuse are much harder to locate. IMO. pain is pain ; it doesn't matter if its physical or psychological. And most people who opt for suicide are people suffering. So don't you dare judge them.
Could she have "survived" or found a way out of this, other than suicide? Yes.
Should we blame her because she "didn't try" hard enough? No, and saying that is plain stupid. Not everyone has access to information, not everyone know how to deal with stuffs like this. Yea, there are plenty of ressourses around (against suicide, against bully. There are also authorities that can help, etc), but maybe she didn't have access to them. Maybe she didn't even know those existed.
Being banned from TeamLiquid.net should definitely trigger some hardcore self reflection. Yeah.
This is a really sad story, I have been seeing that picture of her topless all over the place. Then today I see it again today, and read about this here. People always talk about how evil, and cruel the kids are... but really it's the parents of both parties who are really to blame. She even said she was alone and needed somebody, and the kids who bullied her, their parents... the teachers, the school system, the community. It's time for people to stop ignoring this bullshit. If your kid is being bullied call the fucking cops, get a lawyer, and press charges. If your kid is bullying someone maybe they are the ones that should have to move schools, not the innocent kid being picked on. Why does it always have to be the victim that runs away, or tries to hide, our society is embarrassing.
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out that kids can do things to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*, this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
Exactly. I agree. People SHOULD be holding the bullies and the person that actively tried to defame and extort her accountable. That would be taking the situation seriously.
Expecting a 13 year old to stop acting like a 13 year is the exact OPPOSITE of taking the situation seriously.
You want to hold the kids who were being idiotic kids responsible for her death which means essentially making them murderers. Or would you like to hold the most likely totally anonymous pervert who joined her webchat responsible? I'd like to hold her parents responsible, because that is where the blame should go.
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out that kids can do things to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*, this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
Exactly. I agree. People SHOULD be holding the bullies and the person that actively tried to defame and extort her accountable. That would be taking the situation seriously.
Expecting a 13 year old to stop acting like a 13 year is the exact OPPOSITE of taking the situation seriously.
So flashing people over a webcam is a 13 year old being a 13 year old? I...really have to disagree here. Here's a question: Where were her parents to teach her that this kind of stuff is dangerous and can have dire consequences...as, sadly, seen?
Where were they when she was doing drugs / alcohol? Where were they when she was hooking up? Where were they when she most likely was not regularly taking her meds. Where were they when her child was beaten up?
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out that kids can do things to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*, this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
Exactly. I agree. People SHOULD be holding the bullies and the person that actively tried to defame and extort her accountable. That would be taking the situation seriously.
Expecting a 13 year old to stop acting like a 13 year is the exact OPPOSITE of taking the situation seriously.
So flashing people over a webcam is a 13 year old being a 13 year old? I...really have to disagree here. Here's a question: Where were her parents to teach her that this kind of stuff is dangerous and can have dire consequences...as, sadly, seen?
My wife once told me that her and her friends, when they were 12 and 13, used to call those neighborhood sex chat lines during sleepovers and pretend to hot, sexy ladies. They used a power drill for sound effects.
Boys and girls at that age are fucking stupid, dude, and do totally inappropriate shit. No amount of parenting can curb it. What this girl did was stupid girl-shit, and her punishment was to be stalked and tormented for two years, despite relocating to a different town or school. That is and shouldn't be considered a 'normal', expected or tolerable consequence.
Honestly, I think if she was a drug-dealing 18 year-old prostitute that stole from her johns, maybe, just maybe, I'd be more willing to argue the merits of karma and personal responsibility.
that story made me lol so hard
The thing people are talking about is that there could be better education for parents and for children about these types of things. Maybe that education will help some girl make a better choice than this girl did and maybe it will save their lives.
^ I have to agree with this post above. So much bad shit happens and the parents get no blame for it.
Some kids who beat the shit out of my friend one night, broke his orbital, knocked out fucking teeth, knocked him out and stole the guys bike. Later that year there was a youth pastor who broke up a fight between some kids over a girl and then he got the shit beaten out of him, curb stomped, kicked in the face while on the gorund and he died from the beating from the same kids. They eventually found one of the kids that did this months and months later while the police were looking for him at his fucking parents house both times they were trying to find the kid. Like how the fuck is that not a crime from the parents for A) raising a piece of fucking trash child B) hiding a fucking felon twice after police contacted them about their son.
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out that kids can do things to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*, this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
Exactly. I agree. People SHOULD be holding the bullies and the person that actively tried to defame and extort her accountable. That would be taking the situation seriously.
Expecting a 13 year old to stop acting like a 13 year is the exact OPPOSITE of taking the situation seriously.
You want to hold the kids who were being idiotic kids responsible for her death which means essentially making them murderers. Or would you like to hold the most likely totally anonymous pervert who joined her webchat responsible? I'd like to hold her parents responsible, because that is where the blame should go.
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out that kids can do things to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*, this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
Exactly. I agree. People SHOULD be holding the bullies and the person that actively tried to defame and extort her accountable. That would be taking the situation seriously.
Expecting a 13 year old to stop acting like a 13 year is the exact OPPOSITE of taking the situation seriously.
So flashing people over a webcam is a 13 year old being a 13 year old? I...really have to disagree here. Here's a question: Where were her parents to teach her that this kind of stuff is dangerous and can have dire consequences...as, sadly, seen?
Where were they when she was doing drugs / alcohol? Where were they when she was hooking up? Where were they when she most likely was not regularly taking her meds. Where were they when her child was beaten up?
Um, you know assaulting, harassing people, and stalking them is illegal, or at minimum, morally wrong, don't you? There's a whole long list of ways that society or parents or her school could have intervened prior to her suicide.
And I would say that moving towns and schools is a pretty drastic action, taken by her parents, wouldn't you say?
Instead of asking where the victims parents her, maybe you should be asking who the parents of the kids that constantly harassed her are hiding. Sheesh.
On October 14 2012 09:29 ImadeThisForYou wrote: Too funny people saying it was selfish. Where were you when she was feeling suicidal? Exactly...
Please, feel free to get on my level.
Not knowing her, which is why I do not (and cannot) feel any empathy for her death.
If she said something or told someone, then she would prolly be alive and still nobody would know her.
I think there's something that video isn't telling us. A second side of the story, just like with Kony and Trayvon Martin.
I was talking to my girlfriend today about this actually.
We will only ever get one side of the story. If anyone says anything even remotely negative about this girl people will ask for their head on a pike. Hell my gfs sister met her a few times and she said that she was just really bitchy to everyone. It's impossible to judge what really happened. I find it hard to believe there was tons of hate messages on her facebook saying use better bleach and shit because it's so public. Any parent or school administrator who was informed of the bullying would see that in half a second.
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out that kids can do things to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*, this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
Exactly. I agree. People SHOULD be holding the bullies and the person that actively tried to defame and extort her accountable. That would be taking the situation seriously.
Expecting a 13 year old to stop acting like a 13 year is the exact OPPOSITE of taking the situation seriously.
You want to hold the kids who were being idiotic kids responsible for her death which means essentially making them murderers. Or would you like to hold the most likely totally anonymous pervert who joined her webchat responsible? I'd like to hold her parents responsible, because that is where the blame should go.
On October 14 2012 07:54 tMomiji wrote:
On October 14 2012 07:25 Defacer wrote:
It is not *lame* or *stupid* to point out that kids can do things to avoid consequences that could lead to their *death*, this is a serious moral matter that needs to be considered from all sides, and treated with more respect. I sincerely hope you revise your position, and avoid belittling others who are only trying to help...
Exactly. I agree. People SHOULD be holding the bullies and the person that actively tried to defame and extort her accountable. That would be taking the situation seriously.
Expecting a 13 year old to stop acting like a 13 year is the exact OPPOSITE of taking the situation seriously.
So flashing people over a webcam is a 13 year old being a 13 year old? I...really have to disagree here. Here's a question: Where were her parents to teach her that this kind of stuff is dangerous and can have dire consequences...as, sadly, seen?
Where were they when she was doing drugs / alcohol? Where were they when she was hooking up? Where were they when she most likely was not regularly taking her meds. Where were they when her child was beaten up?
Um, you know assaulting, harassing people, and stalking them is illegal, or at minimum, morally wrong, don't you? There's a whole long list of ways that society or parents or her school could have intervened prior to her suicide.
And I would say that moving towns and schools is a pretty drastic action, taken by her parents, wouldn't you say?
Obviously what the bullies did was horrible but the parents had to have been negligent for this to occur too. If my child was being bullied to this extent that people claim I would not hesitate to move across town and to a new school and possibly change their name as well. I'm curious if the parents actually contacted the school administration about the bullying at all. We kicked a ball in gym one day and it hit a kid and we ran over and said sorry and the next day we all got pulled out of out classes in another block and the kids parents were there with the principle because they thought we were bullying him lol. This is in the same school district btw as Todd's btw. Do you really think if there were kids on her facebook saying "kill yourself" "use better bleach" the administrators wouldn't contact the police and press charges?
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
As horrible as it is to say this it's because she's an attractive white girl. Look up missing white woman syndrome.
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
not everyone is strong willed like you... if you don't care about a "weak willed" person, good for you
a young teenager makes a mistake and as a result gets stalked, extorted, blackmailed, gets the shit kicked out of her, and stalked even after moving through two different schools. she's just a kid, but i guess she should have been a "stronger willed" kid
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
not everyone is strong willed like you... if you don't care about a "weak willed" person, good for you
a young teenager makes a mistake and as a result gets stalked, extorted, blackmailed, gets the shit kicked out of her, and stalked even after moving through two different schools. she's just a kid, but i guess she should have been a "stronger willed" kid
shouldve gone to a parent about it, shouldnt have done it in the first place. could throw those around all day, i just dont see what is so special about her case. this stuff happens a lot, and no one else gives the coverage to those people. there are entire organizations devoted to stopping bullying that get less coverage than this story.
This story is incredibly sad, I have a lot of empathy for the girl, and I can't believe people are calling her "stupid" and saying "she deserved it" or whatever as if you've never done anything retarded when you were 12 years old. Hell, people do stupid shit at age 16, 18, 20, etc. and still they don't deserve a fate like this.
To the asshole(s) who said that they can't feel sympathy because they were bullied too, just for being themselves, or for more valid reasons, you are truly the worst kind of person. I was bullied as well, for "being myself", but that's still a choice I made to follow my own path and not attempt to fit in. I brought it on myself. Everyone who is bullied does, in some way. Anyone can avoid bullying if they really try to, but it's simply unrealistic to expect a young child to have that kind of willpower, and that's why we try to stop the bullies instead of telling those who are bullied to change themselves or grow a pair.
That being said, I don't feel like this is really a case of "bullying", per se. This is one creeper who extorted her and ruined her life (and if I ever find him in person, I'll cut his throat), knowing that it's within kids' nature to turn against her after discovering such a thing, and just not giving a fuck. I guess what I'm trying to say is that this boils down to apathy. I'm not in high school anymore, but if I were, and I saw a girl going through a hard time because of some irrelevant mistake like flashing her boobs, I'd help her out. Most of the problem was within her own mind, and though I believe she could've fought through it, it's really up to those around her to support her and tell her it's not such a big deal.
As parents of future generations, all we can really do is to teach our kids to help those who are going through a tough time, and show empathy towards others.
On October 14 2012 09:29 ImadeThisForYou wrote: Too funny people saying it was selfish. Where were you when she was feeling suicidal? Exactly...
Please, feel free to get on my level.
Not knowing her, which is why I do not (and cannot) feel any empathy for her death.
If she said something or told someone, then she would prolly be alive and still nobody would know her.
I think there's something that video isn't telling us. A second side of the story, just like with Kony and Trayvon Martin.
I was talking to my girlfriend today about this actually.
We will only ever get one side of the story. If anyone says anything even remotely negative about this girl people will ask for their head on a pike. Hell my gfs sister met her a few times and she said that she was just really bitchy to everyone. It's impossible to judge what really happened. I find it hard to believe there was tons of hate messages on her facebook saying use better bleach and shit because it's so public. Any parent or school administrator who was informed of the bullying would see that in half a second.
She could have been the most obnoxious human being in the world but it still doesn't justify how she was treated by other students.
On October 14 2012 09:29 ImadeThisForYou wrote: Too funny people saying it was selfish. Where were you when she was feeling suicidal? Exactly...
Please, feel free to get on my level.
Not knowing her, which is why I do not (and cannot) feel any empathy for her death.
If she said something or told someone, then she would prolly be alive and still nobody would know her.
I think there's something that video isn't telling us. A second side of the story, just like with Kony and Trayvon Martin.
I was talking to my girlfriend today about this actually.
We will only ever get one side of the story. If anyone says anything even remotely negative about this girl people will ask for their head on a pike. Hell my gfs sister met her a few times and she said that she was just really bitchy to everyone. It's impossible to judge what really happened. I find it hard to believe there was tons of hate messages on her facebook saying use better bleach and shit because it's so public. Any parent or school administrator who was informed of the bullying would see that in half a second.
There are tons of bitchy/whiny 13-15 year-olds in middle/high school. There are even slutty ones who sleep around the whole school. I'm pretty sure most of them don't get bullied by everyone for it. Why does she deserve it?
I am guessing those hateful messages on facebook are PMs/SMS or emails.
What annoys me about this story, and every other one like it, is that bullying and suicide has become yet another bandwagon that people can hop on and off of whenever a juicy story hits the front page.
Hundreds of thousands of people show their "support", whatever that's supposed to be worth, but do the parents who are posting their empathy stop and talk to their own kids about being mean? Do the kids and teenagers actually consider their own actions? Or does everyone just turn a blind eye and pretend their kids aren't part of the problem and their own attitudes are horrible.
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
not everyone is strong willed like you... if you don't care about a "weak willed" person, good for you
a young teenager makes a mistake and as a result gets stalked, extorted, blackmailed, gets the shit kicked out of her, and stalked even after moving through two different schools. she's just a kid, but i guess she should have been a "stronger willed" kid
I concur with the weak willed statement, it's a sentiment I've supported for a long time now.
She could have been stronger willed but the ultimate problem lies in parenting. Even if she is a "kid", for what reason did she believe it was a good idea to randomly webchat with strangers on the internet and expose herself. That was a bad move, period, there's no other way to look at it. This isn't a reason to excuse the bullies, bullying is wrong anyways. But, the problem is the younger generations now seem to have a lack of understanding of the word: consequence. Whether through the school system or better parenting, that idea needs to be reinforced so children understand actions carry a weight and promote them to think and act logically.
The same thing goes on with the phenomenon of slut shaming. If you don't want to be called a slut, don't set your facebook profile to a shot of you in a thong, don't dress provocatively to the point were the areola is one shaky foot step away, don't act skanky and sexually touch the opposite gender all the time. However, they will do so, and then get angry at being called a slut, not realizing there's consequence to their choice and if they don't want to be stereotyped as that, then don't behave/dress like them. You don't see individuals in the professional world dressing in any way that associates them with a bad group. It applies to these girls as well.
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
There's nothing special about this except that she's a 'white girl'. Welcome to AmeriKKKa.
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
As horrible as it is to say this it's because she's an attractive white girl. Look up missing white woman syndrome.
Things blow up like this because they reach the media and the media runs with it. While what you say might be true (she looked more Asian than Caucasian to me anyways), I think people when complaining about this stuff highly underestimate the variable of randomness.
On October 14 2012 09:29 ImadeThisForYou wrote: Too funny people saying it was selfish. Where were you when she was feeling suicidal? Exactly...
Please, feel free to get on my level.
Not knowing her, which is why I do not (and cannot) feel any empathy for her death.
If she said something or told someone, then she would prolly be alive and still nobody would know her.
I think there's something that video isn't telling us. A second side of the story, just like with Kony and Trayvon Martin.
I was talking to my girlfriend today about this actually.
We will only ever get one side of the story. If anyone says anything even remotely negative about this girl people will ask for their head on a pike. Hell my gfs sister met her a few times and she said that she was just really bitchy to everyone. It's impossible to judge what really happened. I find it hard to believe there was tons of hate messages on her facebook saying use better bleach and shit because it's so public. Any parent or school administrator who was informed of the bullying would see that in half a second.
She could have been the most obnoxious human being in the world but it still doesn't justify how she was treated by other students.
How do you know she wasn't lying about her treatment?
You won't ever find out because if someone even though about coming forward with evidence that she was full of shit they would be crucified
On October 14 2012 09:29 ImadeThisForYou wrote: Too funny people saying it was selfish. Where were you when she was feeling suicidal? Exactly...
Please, feel free to get on my level.
Not knowing her, which is why I do not (and cannot) feel any empathy for her death.
If she said something or told someone, then she would prolly be alive and still nobody would know her.
I think there's something that video isn't telling us. A second side of the story, just like with Kony and Trayvon Martin.
I was talking to my girlfriend today about this actually.
We will only ever get one side of the story. If anyone says anything even remotely negative about this girl people will ask for their head on a pike. Hell my gfs sister met her a few times and she said that she was just really bitchy to everyone. It's impossible to judge what really happened. I find it hard to believe there was tons of hate messages on her facebook saying use better bleach and shit because it's so public. Any parent or school administrator who was informed of the bullying would see that in half a second.
There are tons of bitchy/whiny 13-15 year-olds in middle/high school. There are even slutty ones who sleep around the whole school. I'm pretty sure most of them don't get bullied by everyone for it. Why does she deserve it?
I am guessing those hateful messages on facebook are PMs/SMS or emails.
So there should be shitloads of evidence then right? It's not hard to get into someones face book account or look at their phone history. She claimed people were celebrating her attempted suicide on her wall how would that be difficult to see?
I realize I look like a huge dick for asking these questions but I can't believe that the school and administration would miss these massive massive signs of bullying. She got the shit kicked out of her at school by a bunch of kids how would that get missed? If someone is that incompetent in the counselling department at both schools they NEED to be canned.
Bullying is a criminal offence in BC ESPECIALLY physical assault.
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies....
WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up. I mean, really? It'd turn my stomach to hear that being said about a grown ass man, but your talking about a young girl who spent years, the entirety of her teen life going through this experience, being taught that all of life is pain.
You make me sick, but if you were to die now I'd still be sympathetic, sorrowful, etc, it shocks me to hear that you can't find an ounce of compassion in your soul.
People don't say "LOL IM GONNA KILL MYSELF NOW COS PEOPLE ARE MEAN TO ME AFTER A MISTAKE I MADE"
Nobody wants to do that... the natural will to live is as strong in these people as it is is anyone else, they've just lost all hope in a future of anything but internal agony.
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies....
WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up.
You act like your crying for her. Do you honestly care if she died? Do you start crying when you hear about soldiers being killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? What about the children in Syria? Or the innocent children killed in the drug war in mexico? I know you don't because it is physically impossible to care for 6 billion people as if they are your family.
If anything I am angrier at the kids that did this too her than I feel sorry for her. Don't get me wrong this is a tragedy for her family and I do extend my best wishes to them and I wish things could be different but I'm sure she would rather her death be used to help the people who are suffering what she did rather than a massive pity party.
On October 13 2012 04:23 killa_robot wrote:Granted, the bullying was undeserved, and I feel sorry for her for that, but it's really hard to sympathize with her when she just continued to make the same mistakes and then was stupid enough to kill herself.
(for reference, I'm quoting the part of the post that I disagree with, but in the whole post isn't so extreme, don't rail on killa because of what I've quoted out of context)
I understand this sentiment as well. I felt this way for a while, but then I realized we're talking about a girl who is between the ages of 11 and 13 between the two really bad incidents.
No one would say the decisions she made were smart, or that she always did the right thing and never deserved any resentment from any of her peers... but at the end of the day we're talking about a child who clearly and obviously DESPERATELY craved love of someone she could respect.
Her video only mildly touches on it, but her parents were separated for most of her childhood, and when you see her behavior it's clear that her upbringing clearly had some really rough times. She was depressed because of her family situation even before she started making bad choices, before they started snapping back at her, but obviously those are the proverbial straws that broke the camel's back.
There are so many things wrong with her picture. Bullying definitely didn't help things, but it's not the end of the story either.
In the end, how much of the blame can you really lay on a child who hurt herself by doing stupid things? We don't say the kids who drink the blue stuff under the sink got what they deserved! They're still too young to know the gravity of what their actions mean. Same thing here.
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies....
WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up.
You act like your crying for her. Do you honestly care if she died? Do you start crying when you hear about soldiers being killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? What about the children in Syria? Or the innocent children killed in the drug war in mexico? I know you don't because it is physically impossible to care for 6 billion people as if they are your family.
If anything I am angrier at the kids that did this too her than I feel sorry for her. Don't get me wrong this is a tragedy for her family and I do extend my best wishes to them and I wish things could be different but I'm sure she would rather her death be used to help the people who are suffering what she did rather than a massive pity party.
I did cry for her. Soldiers being killed in Iran and Afghanistan is different for so many different reasons... you're talking about adults who signed up to get paid to go war and kill hundreds of thousands of asian civilians who got killed in battle by political/ideological warriors that opposed them. But I'd still never in a million years say I felt no sympathy for them. Their families who lost a loved one as well as the souls on the battlefield who may have had so many other unfulfilled dreams.
I can't pretend that this didn't affect me more because I'm a young person in western society, I can relate to this story to a much further extent. Also, unlike those, this is so much more easily preventable and just a sad reflection of our society. Also, suicide =/= murder. Suicide is special because it's so much different what drives someone to take their own life than the simple spite of taking someone else's.
I.E: It's more significant to me, the depression she faced for 2 years in order to be driven to kill herself, than her death itself.
They are my family. We're all family. And this world is fucking crazy, every action creates a different result so all we can do is go along with it, and play out our lives with exercising as much of the love inside us as humanly possible.
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies....
WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up.
You act like your crying for her. Do you honestly care if she died? Do you start crying when you hear about soldiers being killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? What about the children in Syria? Or the innocent children killed in the drug war in mexico? I know you don't because it is physically impossible to care for 6 billion people as if they are your family.
If anything I am angrier at the kids that did this too her than I feel sorry for her. Don't get me wrong this is a tragedy for her family and I do extend my best wishes to them and I wish things could be different but I'm sure she would rather her death be used to help the people who are suffering what she did rather than a massive pity party.
I did cry for her. Soldiers being killed in Iran and Afghanistan is different for so many different reasons... you're talking about adults who signed up to get paid to go war and kill hundreds of thousands of asian civilians who got killed in battle by political/ideological warriors that opposed them. But I'd still never in a million years say I felt no sympathy for them. Their families who lost a loved one as well as the souls on the battlefield who may have had so many other unfulfilled dreams.
I can't pretend that this didn't affect me more because I'm a young person in western society, I can relate to this story to a much further extent. Also, unlike those, this is so much more easily preventable and just a sad reflection of our society. Also, suicide =/= murder. Suicide is special because it's so much different what drives someone to take their own life than the simple spite of taking someone else's.
I.E: It's more significant to me, the depression she faced for 2 years in order to be driven to kill herself, than her death itself.
They are my family. We're all family. And this world is fucking crazy, every action creates a different result so all we can do is go along with it, and play out our lives with exercising as much of the love inside us as humanly possible.
^ I love my shirt
I would argue that it could be considered a murder morally if a specific person drove her to kill herself.
I'll admit the soldiers were a shitty example but you totally ignored the children in Mexico and Syria who were murdered in cold blood. Why do you feel so much more emotion for this random girl who is possible halfway across the continent rather than a child who lived in a border town in Mexico.
^ You could argue that, but the thing is I'm not really interested in the wrong actions that the other people took, or having any anger with them. I'm just sad about the despair this beautiful young person faced and remorseful that there's nothing any of us can do now to help them.
I think a lot of you are taking this on from a somewhat logical 20+ year old male point of view. Please don't make assumptions about her if you don't know what it's like to be a 13-15 year old female.
I feel for her, because everyone does stupid things and makes mistakes in their lives. Unfortunately, she was just extraordinarily reprimanded for her actions by bullies who probably don't realize how much they affected her. Do you really think that those kids who sent her messages like "I hope you die" really meant it? Years from now, those words are going to haunt them when they think back to this situation. Human beings are brutal, teens especially.
On October 14 2012 11:54 lilsusie wrote: I think a lot of you are taking this on from a somewhat logical 20+ year old male point of view. Please don't make assumptions about her if you don't know what it's like to be a 13-15 year old female.
I feel for her, because everyone does stupid things and makes mistakes in their lives. Unfortunately, she was just extraordinarily reprimanded for her actions by bullies who probably don't realize how much they affected her. Do you really think that those kids who sent her messages like "I hope you die" really meant it? Years from now, those words are going to haunt them when they think back to this situation. Human beings are brutal, teens especially.
Yes I do think that the kids who said I hope you die ment it. They are fucking kids! Kids these days have never been more cruel, more undisiplined and more hateful.
School cannt punish kids the way they need to so the problem won't ever be fixed. Unbanning the strap for usage would be a great way to fix the problem.
On October 14 2012 11:54 lilsusie wrote: I think a lot of you are taking this on from a somewhat logical 20+ year old male point of view. Please don't make assumptions about her if you don't know what it's like to be a 13-15 year old female.
I feel for her, because everyone does stupid things and makes mistakes in their lives. Unfortunately, she was just extraordinarily reprimanded for her actions by bullies who probably don't realize how much they affected her. Do you really think that those kids who sent her messages like "I hope you die" really meant it? Years from now, those words are going to haunt them when they think back to this situation. Human beings are brutal, teens especially.
Yes I do think that the kids who said I hope you die ment it. They are fucking kids! Kids these days have never been more cruel, more undisiplined and more hateful.
School cannt punish kids the way they need to so the problem won't ever be fixed. Unbanning the strap for usage would be a great way to fix the problem.
The problem is really with parents, not kids, so I don't think allowing any sort of punishment would fix anything. Before the kids give a shit, the parents need to give a shit, and most of them don't.
I'm convinced at this point that somewhere along the line, Amanda was bullshitting through her teeth. Not all of it, but definitely some areas (the bleach, the messages she was getting). I'm just waiting to see if there's anything that either proves or disproves my point.
What's sadder is that people only cared about her after she killed herself. I doubt she would ever have been able to find the support she needed if she continued living.
This kind of thing happens in college and beyond too, it's not just limited to high school age groups... I'm sad now, doesn't music help people? Music helped me. I'm starting to think maybe making music targeted at depressed/bullied people isn't the answer, maybe I need to take a more active role.
You see, I'd like to be making music for a living, and preferably music that helps people overcome stuff like this. I'd rather not be a psychotherapist. These bullied people need to start going on youtube more and meeting up with each other. People gotta stick together, yo.
On October 14 2012 12:45 meegrean wrote: What's sadder is that people only cared about her after she killed herself. I doubt she would ever have been able to find the support she needed if she continued living.
I agree 100%, all the kids in here school didn't give 2 shits until she killed herself.
How about the guy who screenshotted the webcam and used that as blackmail. What the fuck is that? She was 12 or 13 at the time.. that's so pathetic.
I wonder how many kids are going to kill themselves before this kind of stuff can be stopped. It's sad that the only way they get attention is through suicide which I'm sure doesn't help with trying to make the right decision.
On October 14 2012 12:45 meegrean wrote: What's sadder is that people only cared about her after she killed herself. I doubt she would ever have been able to find the support she needed if she continued living.
this is the saddest thing and it is probably true.
The interesting thing is... Everyone says she made mistakes but never deserved the treatment she got. What is incredibly ironic is that people should know this world is a fucked up place, and by doing something as incredibly stupid as what she did, it's just my opinion that in a way, she did deserve it. Pardon my insensitivity, but people need to exercise more caution. Life does not have a get out of jail free card all of the time. When you fuck up, you pay. She chose to pay with her life. It's sad, but its the truth.
I guess i shall wait for the ban, but honest thoughts.
I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like.
This sees so weird to me.... Why would a "Beautiful, Perfect whatever" girl get bullied and be hated for everyone for flashing a random dude once :/.... I'll never understand this fucking world
On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote: I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like.
This is what i thought too. I know people pretty well who have made the same "mistakes" and have went on and been a little messed up or normal. That's why I can't believe people say it's her fault. This more of reflects nearly the worst in society that exists and the inhumaneness of youth shown in The Lord of the Flies.
It sucks. And those on facebook hoping she dies should be punished. It sends a strong message....and they deserve it
So sad to see her die like that, I googled her name and there were memes of her and stuff... It's dumb, I hope the kids that bullied feel bad that she is dead now, and get the full punishment. Sure she made some mistakes in life but she was young, I'm sure everyone did some stupid stuff in their young life.
On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote: I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like.
THANK YOU.
Now it's the internet's obligation to systematically destroy you.
^^^^^^^ (I'm kidding guys. I know some of you in this thread aren't very bright or don't understand women at all, but please, refrain from destroying this lady.)
On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote: I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like.
THANK YOU.
Now it's the internet's obligation to systematically destroy you.
^^^^^^^ (I'm kidding guys. I know some of you in this thread aren't very bright or don't understand women at all, but please, refrain from destroying this lady.)
On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote: I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like.
it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out
what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions
i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions
On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote: I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like.
it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out
what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions
i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions
So brave and judgemental from behind that computer screen over there, huh?
On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote: I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like.
it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out
what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions
i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions
'is it common' and 'it's not uncommon' is sort of the same thing, bro.
That aside, I absolutely disagree with you that, firstly, flashing someone as a child is hypersexual or amoral and that, even if it were, it would be wrong for a woman to be either of these things. Hypersexuality as defined by an unusually high sex drive is only very loosely related to this sort of behavior; it's much more about looking for love and approval in places where you one shouldn't, at an age where you don't yet know any better. And yet maybe if society didn't place so much value on a woman's sexuality, what women's bodies looked like, and what men she's seeing or getting approval from, we wouldn't have so many teenage girls seeking to define themselves through their bodies in the first place. As for 'amoral,' I take it you have never watched any porn, then? lol.
You obviously have issues with women's sexuality, though. That's okay. I'm sorry she hurt you, whoever she was.
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies....
WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up.
You act like your crying for her. Do you honestly care if she died? Do you start crying when you hear about soldiers being killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? What about the children in Syria? Or the innocent children killed in the drug war in mexico? I know you don't because it is physically impossible to care for 6 billion people as if they are your family.
If anything I am angrier at the kids that did this too her than I feel sorry for her. Don't get me wrong this is a tragedy for her family and I do extend my best wishes to them and I wish things could be different but I'm sure she would rather her death be used to help the people who are suffering what she did rather than a massive pity party.
I did cry for her. Soldiers being killed in Iran and Afghanistan is different for so many different reasons... you're talking about adults who signed up to get paid to go war and kill hundreds of thousands of asian civilians who got killed in battle by political/ideological warriors that opposed them. But I'd still never in a million years say I felt no sympathy for them. Their families who lost a loved one as well as the souls on the battlefield who may have had so many other unfulfilled dreams.
I can't pretend that this didn't affect me more because I'm a young person in western society, I can relate to this story to a much further extent. Also, unlike those, this is so much more easily preventable and just a sad reflection of our society. Also, suicide =/= murder. Suicide is special because it's so much different what drives someone to take their own life than the simple spite of taking someone else's.
I.E: It's more significant to me, the depression she faced for 2 years in order to be driven to kill herself, than her death itself.
They are my family. We're all family. And this world is fucking crazy, every action creates a different result so all we can do is go along with it, and play out our lives with exercising as much of the love inside us as humanly possible.
^ I love my shirt
I would argue that it could be considered a murder morally if a specific person drove her to kill herself.
I'll admit the soldiers were a shitty example but you totally ignored the children in Mexico and Syria who were murdered in cold blood. Why do you feel so much more emotion for this random girl who is possible halfway across the continent rather than a child who lived in a border town in Mexico.
Because we know her story. When I hear the stories of many of those children I feel equally saddened and spend time/effort attempting to help them. In many cases however, more effort is going to be put into cases like this, because it's more reachable on an individual level. It takes a huge amount of logistics to make a difference in Mexico or Syria. Most people don't even know where to get started.
The problem I have is that people like you say "why do you bleeding hearts think any of us should put any effort in now when we didn't before?" And it's fundamentally wrong. People are constantly putting effort into making the world a better place. New stories like this are constantly precipitating people to new positive actions they weren't undertaking before because they awaken us to experiences that we understand from our own lives, or to issues we weren't previously aware of, or to caveats in the actions that we were already taking that we didn't think of before hand. The few find it offensive that people would ask them to stop being lazy and rather make a positive difference in the world, not the majority. And frankly, that's pretty much the worst reason to be offended I can think of.
It's an absolutely HORRIBLE ideology to live by "things will still go wrong tomorrow, so why even bother trying today?" On every level, it's bad philosophy.
this shit pisses me off so much.. i go on facebook and i see tons of people freaking out over amanda todd, saying how bad they feel.. they have no idea what the real internet is like, they have no idea that amanda was big in tinychat and 4chan. they're just fucking blindly bandwagoning, and they're going to end up crucifying the internet.
you know what caused amanda todd's suicide? it was her classmates, not this idiot online sending pictures of her boobs around. it was the culture around her that told them it was okay to do that shit. yet they all get this bullshit pass, putting off society's problem onto the internet. i would have been this girl's friend, i would have messaged her on the 9th, the day before she drank that bleach. and you know what? i would have been able to connect with her because we both derived our culture from the internet. society defends her but they have no idea wtf they're defending, she was an internet girl through and through.
i grieve for the loss of one of our own, not for the loss of another human.. as far as i'm concerned, people who don't frequent the internet have no perspective. i hope that eventually i can have an equitable reason to drink bleach, because normal society sure justified her doing it..
On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote: I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like.
it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out
what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions
i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions
'is it common' and 'it's not uncommon' is sort of the same thing, bro.
That aside, I absolutely disagree with you that, firstly, flashing someone as a child is hypersexual or amoral and that, even if it were, it would be wrong for a woman to be either of these things. Hypersexuality as defined by an unusually high sex drive is only very loosely related to this sort of behavior; it's much more about looking for love and approval in places where you one shouldn't, at an age where you don't yet know any better. And yet maybe if society didn't place so much value on a woman's sexuality, what women's bodies looked like, and what men she's seeing or getting approval from, we wouldn't have so many teenage girls seeking to define themselves through their bodies in the first place. As for 'amoral,' I take it you have never watched any porn, then? lol.
You obviously have issues with women's sexuality, though. That's okay. I'm sorry she hurt you, whoever she was.
I'll agree with him actually about the morality of it, and I think it IS a bad thing for a woman to be, and a stupid thing for a woman to do... that being said, we're talking about an 11 year old. I find it horrific that anyone would refuse to feel sympathy or would find fault and deservedness in someone who fucked up her life with bad decisions before she was even an adult. That's the whole point of childhood. They are people who haven't learned how to make good decisions yet.
On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote: i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies....
WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up.
You act like your crying for her. Do you honestly care if she died? Do you start crying when you hear about soldiers being killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? What about the children in Syria? Or the innocent children killed in the drug war in mexico? I know you don't because it is physically impossible to care for 6 billion people as if they are your family.
If anything I am angrier at the kids that did this too her than I feel sorry for her. Don't get me wrong this is a tragedy for her family and I do extend my best wishes to them and I wish things could be different but I'm sure she would rather her death be used to help the people who are suffering what she did rather than a massive pity party.
I did cry for her. Soldiers being killed in Iran and Afghanistan is different for so many different reasons... you're talking about adults who signed up to get paid to go war and kill hundreds of thousands of asian civilians who got killed in battle by political/ideological warriors that opposed them. But I'd still never in a million years say I felt no sympathy for them. Their families who lost a loved one as well as the souls on the battlefield who may have had so many other unfulfilled dreams.
I can't pretend that this didn't affect me more because I'm a young person in western society, I can relate to this story to a much further extent. Also, unlike those, this is so much more easily preventable and just a sad reflection of our society. Also, suicide =/= murder. Suicide is special because it's so much different what drives someone to take their own life than the simple spite of taking someone else's.
I.E: It's more significant to me, the depression she faced for 2 years in order to be driven to kill herself, than her death itself.
They are my family. We're all family. And this world is fucking crazy, every action creates a different result so all we can do is go along with it, and play out our lives with exercising as much of the love inside us as humanly possible.
^ I love my shirt
I would argue that it could be considered a murder morally if a specific person drove her to kill herself.
I'll admit the soldiers were a shitty example but you totally ignored the children in Mexico and Syria who were murdered in cold blood. Why do you feel so much more emotion for this random girl who is possible halfway across the continent rather than a child who lived in a border town in Mexico.
Because we know her story. When I hear the stories of many of those children I feel equally saddened and spend time/effort attempting to help them. In many cases however, more effort is going to be put into cases like this, because it's more reachable on an individual level. It takes a huge amount of logistics to make a difference in Mexico or Syria. Most people don't even know where to get started.
The problem I have is that people like you say "why do you bleeding hearts think any of us should put any effort in now when we didn't before?" And it's fundamentally wrong. People are constantly putting effort into making the world a better place. New stories like this are constantly precipitating people to new positive actions they weren't undertaking before because they awaken us to experiences that we understand from our own lives, or to issues we weren't previously aware of, or to caveats in the actions that we were already taking that we didn't think of before hand. The few find it offensive that people would ask them to stop being lazy and rather make a positive difference in the world, not the majority. And frankly, that's pretty much the worst reason to be offended I can think of.
It's an absolutely HORRIBLE ideology to live by "things will still go wrong tomorrow, so why even bother trying today?" On every level, it's bad philosophy.
I've actually been saying the exact opposite in all of my posts. Don't put words in my mouth.... I was pointing out how strange it is imo to act like they are emotionally shredded because of this girl that they never even knew existed until earlier today. Idk maybe I'm just an asshole... I mean we had 2 kids commit suicide in my highschool while I was there and there was no media frenzy about their tragic ends...
I have said over and over again that this incident needs to lead to some changes in the education young kids get about on line actions and their consequences, the same for parents and there needs to be massive change at these schools this girl was at. The administration was incompetent as fuck if half the shit she claims happened actually did happen.
Having said that I don't know what this girl says is true or not. Some of the claims she made were outrageous. Like the gang of girls beating her up on school grounds and then nothing happening because of that. That would lead to fucking criminal charges for the girls involved. The people on line saying that they wished she drank better bleach on her wall is pretty much as public as you can get and yet there is still no evidence. I'm sure she didn't fabricate the entire story and then randomly killed herself but I'm pretty sure there is more to this story that will come light like most of these threads on TL like the Trayvon Martin shooting or that Kony scam.
Also if the guy made a FB account with child pornography as the display picture how could they not trace it to the creep that did this to her? They charged kids at my school for having CP on their phones from girls a year or two younger than them.
^She was 13 when she flashed the guy.
On a side note I wonder if cases like this where a girl felt lonely, isolated and abused and when they commit suicide they suddenly become famous and almost become a martyr to other people in the situation and there might be copy cat suicides to hopefully be worth more in death than in life to the people around them? I know copy cat suicides are a big problem when suicides are publicized but I wonder if how this girl is being portrayed in the media is especially attractive to people in her position.
On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote: I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like.
it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out
what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions
i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions
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Oh god, this post makes me so fucking sick... what a horrible way to start the day, I'm probably going to be depressed for the rest of the week after reading that.
She was young she made mistakes, it happens... It's really sad how mean people can be to each other, I read youtube comments and I can't understand how stupid people can be, it's depressing. RIP
On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote: I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like.
it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out
what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions
i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions
'is it common' and 'it's not uncommon' is sort of the same thing, bro.
That aside, I absolutely disagree with you that, firstly, flashing someone as a child is hypersexual or amoral and that, even if it were, it would be wrong for a woman to be either of these things. Hypersexuality as defined by an unusually high sex drive is only very loosely related to this sort of behavior; it's much more about looking for love and approval in places where you one shouldn't, at an age where you don't yet know any better. And yet maybe if society didn't place so much value on a woman's sexuality, what women's bodies looked like, and what men she's seeing or getting approval from, we wouldn't have so many teenage girls seeking to define themselves through their bodies in the first place. As for 'amoral,' I take it you have never watched any porn, then? lol.
You obviously have issues with women's sexuality, though. That's okay. I'm sorry she hurt you, whoever she was.
I'll agree with him actually about the morality of it, and I think it IS a bad thing for a woman to be, and a stupid thing for a woman to do... that being said, we're talking about an 11 year old. I find it horrific that anyone would refuse to feel sympathy or would find fault and deservedness in someone who fucked up her life with bad decisions before she was even an adult. That's the whole point of childhood. They are people who haven't learned how to make good decisions yet.
Well, what she and I have done is obviously stupid because if you do this sort of thing to get approval or love, it's the wrong place to go looking for it. Now that I'm a lot older than that, I understand that showing people on the internet your boobs (for free; it's another matter if it's your job) isn't going to get you any sort of respect. Doing it on webcam without making sure your head and your boobs aren't in the same frame is stupid as well; a boob-shot alone isn't going to make for very good blackmail material, after all.
That said, though, I don't understand what's so amoral about it. Obviously I no longer do this stuff, but I never had any 'omg what did I do I'm such a slut' existential crisis over it; I wanted to play with my sexuality, so I did. The way I went about it was silly and immature, but I do not agree that there is anything wrong with toying with your growing sexuality on principle. The only people really who I think have a leg to stand on here are those who never did anything stupid and attention-seeking and desperate in relation to sex as teenagers/children, and teenage boys for sure do enough of this themselves, just in different ways. While teenage girls will be more likely to wear short skits, flirt around, or take sexy pictures of themselves and post them on facebook/send them to a boyfriend, teenage boys will be more likely to run around trying girls to have sex with them, asking for these sorts of pictures online or in private, send girls cock pictures on SkypeMe (never saw more cocks in the entirety of my life than I did on Skype or omegle, lol), spend a whole lot of time looking at porn, etc. etc.
It's a time for each sex to test their boundaries. I don't think it is inherently amoral, even if it is immature by nature.
Her sleeping with the guy who had a gf, now that I'll admit was a pretty bad decision. Even so, as some people have pointed out, it seems incredibly sexist to blame her for this in its entirety when the guy is a lot more to blame for knowingly cheating on his girlfriend with a girl who he knew had no friends and would be unlikely to rat him out and systematically reject and ignore her thereafter.
Bottom line, most teens are idiots. Her 'sins' seem like nothing out of the ordinary.
I agree with the rest of your post, though. Some posters on tl.net make it seem like they've never done anything stupid at 11-14.
On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote: I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like.
it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out
what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions
i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions
'is it common' and 'it's not uncommon' is sort of the same thing, bro.
That aside, I absolutely disagree with you that, firstly, flashing someone as a child is hypersexual or amoral and that, even if it were, it would be wrong for a woman to be either of these things. Hypersexuality as defined by an unusually high sex drive is only very loosely related to this sort of behavior; it's much more about looking for love and approval in places where you one shouldn't, at an age where you don't yet know any better. And yet maybe if society didn't place so much value on a woman's sexuality, what women's bodies looked like, and what men she's seeing or getting approval from, we wouldn't have so many teenage girls seeking to define themselves through their bodies in the first place. As for 'amoral,' I take it you have never watched any porn, then? lol.
You obviously have issues with women's sexuality, though. That's okay. I'm sorry she hurt you, whoever she was.
I'll agree with him actually about the morality of it, and I think it IS a bad thing for a woman to be, and a stupid thing for a woman to do... that being said, we're talking about an 11 year old. I find it horrific that anyone would refuse to feel sympathy or would find fault and deservedness in someone who fucked up her life with bad decisions before she was even an adult. That's the whole point of childhood. They are people who haven't learned how to make good decisions yet.
Well, what she and I have done is obviously stupid because if you do this sort of thing to get approval or love, it's the wrong place to go looking for it. Now that I'm a lot older than that, I understand that showing people on the internet your boobs (for free; it's another matter if it's your job) isn't going to get you any sort of respect. Doing it on webcam without making sure your head and your boobs aren't in the same frame is stupid as well; a boob-shot alone isn't going to make for very good blackmail material, after all.
That said, though, I don't understand what's so amoral about it. Obviously I no longer do this stuff, but I never had any 'omg what did I do I'm such a slut' existential crisis over it; I wanted to play with my sexuality, so I did. The way I went about it was silly and immature, but I do not agree that there is anything wrong with toying with your growing sexuality on principle. The only people really who I think have a leg to stand on here are those who never did anything stupid and attention-seeking and desperate in relation to sex as teenagers/children, and teenage boys for sure do enough of this themselves, just in different ways. While teenage girls will be more likely to wear short skits, flirt around, or take sexy pictures of themselves and post them on facebook/send them to a boyfriend, teenage boys will be more likely to run around trying girls to have sex with them, asking for these sorts of pictures online or in private, send girls cock pictures on SkypeMe (never saw more cocks in the entirety of my life than I did on Skype or omegle, lol), spend a whole lot of time looking at porn, etc. etc.
It's a time for each sex to test their boundaries. I don't think it is inherently amoral, even if it is immature by nature.
Her sleeping with the guy who had a gf, now that I'll admit was a pretty bad decision. Even so, as some people have pointed out, it seems incredibly sexist to blame her for this in its entirety when the guy is a lot more to blame for knowingly cheating on his girlfriend with a girl who he knew had no friends and would be unlikely to rat him out and systematically reject and ignore her thereafter.
Bottom line, most teens are idiots. Her 'sins' seem like nothing out of the ordinary.
I agree with the rest of your post, though. Some posters on tl.net make it seem like they've never done anything stupid at 11-14.
What your saying is is that what she did was normal. I'm not 13 year old girl but I doubt most 13 year old girls are going online and showing strangers their boobs especially with all of the education about the consequences of this now. You get bombarded in school now with stuff about this. Especially with some girl like this popping up every year where some girl kills herself over the harrassment.
The parents of the bullies and this girl are Terrible parents if all of what she claims are true. The administration at this school should be fucking gutted because try obviously are incompetent if thus obvious case of severe harassment was missed.
The guy who cheated is a total douche bag but it takes two to tango. She still had sex with a guy who she knew was dating someone. They are both equally at fault for that. I feel like their is more to the story on this part than she let on though.
I saw this story on CNN before she committed suicide, so sad. Bad decisions on both sides...
How are children being raised nowadays? I'll admit, in the past I didn't really follow news, but everyday now it seems like there's a story on bullying/cyber bullying. Has there been an increase of it or is it just getting more coverage now due to social media? Or are kids these days just get raised differently that leads to these sort of situations?
She lives relatively close to me, this was a tough one to swallow.
It sucks that she made that video 1 month prior but it didn't go viral so no one really knew, I would have tried to message her or something and I'm sure many others would try to help as well.
What your saying is is that what she did was normal. I'm not 13 year old girl but I doubt most 13 year old girls are going online and showing strangers their boobs especially with all of the education about the consequences of this now. You get bombarded in school now with stuff about this. Especially with some girl like this popping up every year where some girl kills herself over the harrassment.
The parents of the bullies and this girl are Terrible parents if all of what she claims are true. The administration at this school should be fucking gutted because try obviously are incompetent if thus obvious case of severe harassment was missed.
The guy who cheated is a total douche bag but it takes two to tango. She still had sex with a guy who she knew was dating someone. They are both equally at fault for that. I feel like their is more to the story on this part than she let on though.
I do think it is normal, yes. Which is not to say that everyone does it -- of course they don't -- but most teenage girls test their boundaries in some ways. Some do it online and some do it by wearing mini-skirts and make-up, flirting around, or posting sexy pics of themselves on their facebook. I think all of these things are done for the same reason and to the same end, usually -- to test boundaries, to toy with their awakening sexuality, to figure out the world around them and how they fit in it as a sexual being, etc. Sometimes it's also just to get attention and approval. I don't know how many of my classmates at the time were sending anyone nude pictures, but I'd say a good majority were doing at least one of those things mentioned for similar reasons why Amanda probably did it. It wasn't a bad school for troubled kids or anything, either; I went to a pretty good science middle school.
I also don't think 'education about the consequences' really helps when it comes to teenagers, at least not in any substantial way. Didn't you also have education about the dangers of alcohol and drugs, and how many kids did you know who drank or smoked cigs or joints anyway? Maybe it's extremely different where you're from, but I'm pretty sure there was literally no kid in my class left who hadn't yet had alcohol by the time we were 16.
Yes, she is at fault for sleeping with the guy who had a girlfriend. I still think he was more at fault, though. It's more morally corrupt to cheat than to facilitate cheating; if you sleep with someone who is taken, it is not exactly morally sound, but you don't owe the significant other of the person you're sleeping with anything. They do. If you cheat on someone, you violate a vow you gave to them, either explicitly or implicitly; you break no such vow if you're the 'other' person involved, although normal laws of behavior dictate that you should probably think twice about it.
^ Saying we shouldn't educate kids more about this because they will do it anyways is just silly. Even if it only helps some kids make better decisions isn't it worth it? I mean some people still smoke knowing it will kill them but way less people smoke because of the education. Parents need better education about this stuff to. Honestly would you have flashed if the pc was in the living room of your house? Administrators need better education about cyber bullying because apparently they can't even figure out this blatant case of brutal bullying how the he'll would they notice more subtle bullying.
I agree with pretty much everything else you said though.
Murders will always be unavoidable. Suicides will always be avoidable. A depression and despair surrounds suicide that makes it additionally heartbreaking. Ever heard the phrase "At least they died happy"? Trying to cope through drugs... and? Sexuality isn't immortal. Drugs aren't immoral. being depressed isn't immoral and if she masturbated on cam for people so much, then what could they possibly be blackmailing her with? to do what? You have no proof for that. Both stories are tragic, the way you treat the victim in this case is disgusting.
Your judgement of her is sickening. "suicidal" no... she's DEAD. She's not suicidal anymore, she's committed suicide, you bastard, funny how you left that out just for her "summary" so there was more room for making stuff up about her evil, evil sexuality.
There will always be parents that cant take care of their kids. Too bad that innocent kids take the consequences. I dont think many of the people critizising her choice and calling her stupid know how to spell to depression.
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
I'm sorry but could you perhaps direct me to the proof that she is lying. Not saying it's not true but I just don't have the time to scour this entire thread or the internet. If the only proof is word of mouth, then I would be highly skeptical considering there are a lot of jackasses in this situation that could just say whatever they wanted.
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
I'm sorry but could you perhaps direct me to the proof that she is lying. Not saying it's not true but I just don't have the time to scour this entire thread or the internet. If the only proof is word of mouth, then I would be highly skeptical considering there are a lot of jackasses in this situation that could just say whatever they wanted.
Proof would be the various pictures circulating. She claimed she flashed once, then from that was blackmailed, when there are multiple photos out there which prove it wasn't a one time thing. Given their nature, you'd have to search for the proof yourself on some shaddy sites (like /b/).
Point is people are taking everything she said at face value, without even considering she could be more at fault then she claimed.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
Poor thing... No one deserves that sort of thing to happen to them. Anyone who thinks she was dumb, come ON; she did something for a joke that she thought would be harmless, in front of the people she thought were her friends. Don't tell me you haven't done stupid things to impress mates. And this is why there is no God... Unless, truly, the meek inherit the Earth, and up there in Heaven this girl has it much better... I think we should all be damn grateful our lives haven't turned out like that :/ R.I.P.
Even if that image up there is true, that she did essentially do "sex shows" - what you gotta remember, is that possibly, if the dice had rolled differently, in another world, time and place, that could have been you. The environmental factors affecting her situation....
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
I'm sorry but could you perhaps direct me to the proof that she is lying. Not saying it's not true but I just don't have the time to scour this entire thread or the internet. If the only proof is word of mouth, then I would be highly skeptical considering there are a lot of jackasses in this situation that could just say whatever they wanted.
She could also have Made half the shit up that she said. Neither of us know which is why we should wait until all the facts come in. Your listening to the word of a girl who had everything to gain by making herself seem as innocent as possible. I don't trust that random unsourced picture and you shouldn't listen to Todd. Wait for the investigation to finish.
I have issues with her story because Some of the stuff she claims screams fake. If she was really beaten up on school grounds by a gang of girls they would have had charges pressed on them. If there really was a guy with child porn as his display picture on Facebook wouldn't it be shut down? If people were really texting her that they wished she had died from drinking bleach it would be all over her phone history.
If she is telling the truth about how bad it was the people who were responsible for her well being obviously were negligent as fuck and deserve to be fired
You should know that bad things are being said about Amanda, probably from people like yourself who somehow don't understand that medias will pick up stories and run with them. That girl has 9600 likes on her Facebook (that matters why?) but most people who die in such ways are never really heard about.
Not only that little image of yours present an extremely biased portrait of the situations, I think the most disturbing is that you seem to think that it has a point or something, by depicting a little girl as "bad" for having led a pretty bad lifestyle. She was a kid. It blows my mind that people think it's fair to pass a negative judgment on a girl who consumed drugs when she was emotionally and mentally disturbed, as if it made her less of a person. Come on.
On October 15 2012 07:31 SuperSloth wrote: She brought it on herself.
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
The ONLY defense YOU, or anyone else on this board to defend the actions of these bullies, or the people that extorted or assaulted her, is by dragging her name in the mud. And comparing her to some other poor girl. THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE.
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A SMEAR CAMPAIGN.
What's next ? Are you going to explain to me that date rape doesn't count, if the girl is drunk and has a reputation for being a slut anyways? Or that if a black teenager is walking down the street with a hoodie, that is just cause for tracking and following that kid with a gun? That if a girl posts nude pictures of herself, she deserves to be harassed and bullied and followed where ever she goes?
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
I'm sorry but could you perhaps direct me to the proof that she is lying. Not saying it's not true but I just don't have the time to scour this entire thread or the internet. If the only proof is word of mouth, then I would be highly skeptical considering there are a lot of jackasses in this situation that could just say whatever they wanted.
Proof would be the various pictures circulating. She claimed she flashed once, then from that was blackmailed, when there are multiple photos out there which prove it wasn't a one time thing. Given their nature, you'd have to search for the proof yourself on some shaddy sites (like /b/).
Point is people are taking everything she said at face value, without even considering she could be more at fault then she claimed.
I wouldn't even know where to begin searching to verify the truth. Tried some quick googlefu and I couldn't find anything that would sway my opinion against her. Again, not saying that me not finding evidence means it doesn't exist. It's that I'm yet to be convinced if I don't see any evidence. Maybe you can pm me or something.
On October 15 2012 07:19 tokicheese wrote: She could also have Made half the shit up that she said. Neither of us know which is why we should wait until all the facts come in. Your listening to the word of a girl who had everything to gain by making herself seem as innocent as possible. I don't trust that random unsourced picture and you shouldn't listen to Todd. Wait for the investigation to finish.
I'm not absolutely convinced by anyone. It's more that I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt considering she's dead... Not that being dead necessarily grants you any special privileges but the possible circumstances leading to her death might warrant it. In this case, she claims it was due to constant harassment which is not unreasonable. In a reasonable situation, you would give the victim the benefit of the doubt, not the perpetrators. It may not be the case every time if the victim is actually a victim, but generally, it's not wrong to give the potential victim the benefit of the doubt especially when they have dealt with the consequences (her being dead) while the potential perpetrators have not. Giving the benefit of the doubt is not the same as making up your mind.
I have issues with her story because Some of the stuff she claims screams fake. If she was really beaten up on school grounds by a gang of girls they would have had charges pressed on them. If there really was a guy with child porn as his display picture on Facebook wouldn't it be shut down? If people were really texting her that they wished she had died from drinking bleach it would be all over her phone history.
If she is telling the truth about how bad it was the people who were responsible for her well being obviously were negligent as fuck and deserve to be fired
As outsiders, we probably don't have any real perspective on the matter to objectively judge the situation anyway. It could be the case that everything she said was entirely true or partially true. And if partially true, then you have to determine what is relevant. Also, there are lots of factors that could allow unlikely things to work out. Not only that but it's entirely possible that some of your issues about her story could just be premature conjectures due to the lack of details like the guy's account not being shut down (maybe it was?).
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
My question is why would it matter if she happened to be lying, and was a crack addicted prostitute? I'm not saying it's the case, but why would it matter? The fact is that she was pushed to suicide. Whether or not her poor lifestyle made it tough for her, there's no reason to pass harsh judgments on a person who obviously was defenseless to the world and had trouble dealing with her stuff. No matter her story, it's sad. And people who go out of their way to somehow try to make her look bad or something, what the hell are they all about?
That's not to say we should know the truth, but seriously, it doesn't matter. Don't fucking rail against dead kids.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
Its the jungle, kill or be killed. In this case, she performed both of these deeds.
A jungle environment pushes the humanity to the absolutely limit for survival. This brings the best of one's potential to the maximum and creates a sturdy character for the future. The fact that people have been turning more and more sensitive in this country already spells doom for its inhabitant.
What ever happen to the tough mentality of the women in the early colonization of Canada?
Instead of feeling pity for this gal, we should look at her shortcomings that leads to such trauma so that NOBODY in the future even commits the same mistake twice as her.
Beside she clearly don't give a fuck about the rest of the world: + Show Spoiler +
Give me one reason why the world shouldn't reciprocate the same.
Yeah, about that picture I posted seems to have fired shit up a bit I didn't make the picture and don't necessarily stand by everything it says but I was mainly looking at the amount of media coverage these 2 stories where getting compared to eachother while one is alot "more" of a victim in my opinion and gets almost no attention at all.
On October 15 2012 08:32 Headshothank wrote: Yeah, about that picture I posted seems to have fired shit up a bit I didn't make the picture and don't necessarily stand by everything it says but I was mainly looking at the amount of media coverage these 2 stories where getting compared to eachother while one is alot "more" of a victim in my opinion and gets almost no attention at all.
to be fair it would be more appropriate in a thread about sexism/racism in the media generally. RIP threads tend to be more for condolences than discussion.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
Its the jungle, kill or be killed. In this case, she performed both of these deeds.
A jungle environment pushes the humanity to the absolutely limit for survival. This brings the best of one's potential to the maximum and creates a sturdy character for the future. The fact that people have been turning more and more sensitive in this country already spells doom for its inhabitant.
What ever happen to the tough mentality of the women in the early colonization of Canada?
Instead of feeling pity for this gal, we should look at her shortcomings that leads to such trauma so that NOBODY in the future even commits the same mistake twice as her.
Beside she clearly don't give a fuck about the rest of the world: + Show Spoiler +
Give me one reason why the world shouldn't reciprocate the same.
It's entirely within the realm of possibility that this girl carried fault. It's also entirely possible that it's not all her fault. If the girl carried some of the fault, then sure, there are some things to learn from her. But your post leaves out that there is also something to be learned if it turns that it wasn't entirely her fault.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
Its the jungle, kill or be killed. In this case, she performed both of these deeds.
A jungle environment pushes the humanity to the absolutely limit for survival. This brings the best of one's potential to the maximum and creates a sturdy character for the future. The fact that people have been turning more and more sensitive in this country already spells doom for its inhabitant.
What ever happen to the tough mentality of the women in the early colonization of Canada?
Instead of feeling pity for this gal, we should look at her shortcomings that leads to such trauma so that NOBODY in the future even commits the same mistake twice as her.
Beside she clearly don't give a fuck about the rest of the world: + Show Spoiler +
Give me one reason why the world shouldn't reciprocate the same.
In a thread full of contenders, you probably win the award for stupidest post.
Also, if we eradicated every teenage girl who ever took a Facebook picture of themselves giving the middle finger, we'd probably have a population crisis on our hands.
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
The ONLY defense YOU, or anyone else on this board to defend the actions of these bullies, or the people that extorted or assaulted her, is by dragging her name in the mud. And comparing her to some other poor girl. THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE.
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A SMEAR CAMPAIGN.
What's next ? Are you going to explain to me that date rape doesn't count, if the girl is drunk and has a reputation for being a slut anyways? Or that if a black teenager is walking down the street with a hoodie, that is just cause for tracking and following that kid with a gun? That if a girl posts nude pictures of herself, she deserves to be harassed and bullied and followed where ever she goes?
And seriously, where's the mods?
You have no clue what your are talking about. All hes doing is pointing out a better perspective on the whole situation. There are many teen suicides due to bullying because of how the person looks but no one cares, at least not to this extent. Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
Its the jungle, kill or be killed. In this case, she performed both of these deeds.
A jungle environment pushes the humanity to the absolutely limit for survival. This brings the best of one's potential to the maximum and creates a sturdy character for the future. The fact that people have been turning more and more sensitive in this country already spells doom for its inhabitant.
What ever happen to the tough mentality of the women in the early colonization of Canada?
Instead of feeling pity for this gal, we should look at her shortcomings that leads to such trauma so that NOBODY in the future even commits the same mistake twice as her.
Beside she clearly don't give a fuck about the rest of the world: + Show Spoiler +
Give me one reason why the world shouldn't reciprocate the same.
OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH YEAH. HIGH SCHOOL IS THE REAL WORLD MAN. IT AIN'T LIKE IT WAS BACK THEN OLD MAN. WE'RE THE FUTURE, AND THE FUTURE IS HARD. SO TOUGHEN UP BUTTERCUP. OR ELSE THESE HALLWAYS WILL EAT YOU ALIVE.
I HEAR ITS TACO TUESDAY IN THE CAF' TODAY, BRO. GONNA TO STOP THIS SNACK ATTACK DEAD, SON. THAT'S HOW WE DO. YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, GRANDPA???
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
The ONLY defense YOU, or anyone else on this board to defend the actions of these bullies, or the people that extorted or assaulted her, is by dragging her name in the mud. And comparing her to some other poor girl. THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE.
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A SMEAR CAMPAIGN.
What's next ? Are you going to explain to me that date rape doesn't count, if the girl is drunk and has a reputation for being a slut anyways? Or that if a black teenager is walking down the street with a hoodie, that is just cause for tracking and following that kid with a gun? That if a girl posts nude pictures of herself, she deserves to be harassed and bullied and followed where ever she goes?
And seriously, where's the mods?
You have no clue what your are talking about. All hes doing is pointing out a better perspective on the whole situation. There are many teen suicides due to bullying because of how the person looks but no one cares, at least not to this extent. Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Really... reallly... I want to tell you to kill yourself. Know why? Because unlike Amanda, who's only "crime" was to have a sexuality and try to survive with her pain by taking drugs, you're saying disgusting, heartless and sickening things about another person. How the fuck can you sit there and not realize that saying those things about another person who never hurt you is actually abhorrent and what you do with your own body is not?
@Defacer: Dude, I'm a teenager and I'm not dumb :/ otherwise, I've agreed with everything you've said.
On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote: Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Fuck, teenagers are dumb, too.
You shouldn't get to riled up. Mentioned it on the first page (or second) of this thread. Many kids/teens are simply assholes, you won't talk sense into them. They either learn through age or from being on the wrong end of some bully stuff and in some cases never. That's just how it is, although I don't know about the reasons... Reading this thread basically is a pretty clear example..
Well she did a huge mistake and instead of dealing with the consequences and talking to an authority figure right away she let everything snowball out of control. I'm sad that nobody isolated her from this situation with everything she was going through, from mutilation to attempted suicide.But tbh when you don't learn from doing the same mistakes several times it's rather pathetic. How much does it take for you to get the fuck off facebook?
In the end, everything she ever did was for attention. She craved it so much she scrolled through her fb feed and watched her old classmates post stupid bullshit instead of going outside and seeing the world for what it really is. I realize she was depressed and wish someone would have been there to push her in the right direction, but I still do not feel pity for her. American culture does this to people sadly, that's the way it is.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
Its the jungle, kill or be killed. In this case, she performed both of these deeds.
A jungle environment pushes the humanity to the absolutely limit for survival. This brings the best of one's potential to the maximum and creates a sturdy character for the future. The fact that people have been turning more and more sensitive in this country already spells doom for its inhabitant.
What ever happen to the tough mentality of the women in the early colonization of Canada?
Instead of feeling pity for this gal, we should look at her shortcomings that leads to such trauma so that NOBODY in the future even commits the same mistake twice as her.
Beside she clearly don't give a fuck about the rest of the world: + Show Spoiler +
Give me one reason why the world shouldn't reciprocate the same.
It's entirely within the realm of possibility that this girl carried fault. It's also entirely possible that it's not all her fault. If the girl carried some of the fault, then sure, there are some things to learn from her. But your post leaves out that there is also something to be learned if it turns that it wasn't entirely her fault.
Also, that photo lacks context?
The first thing that we have to examine is how did she manage the crisis of her topless photos spreading out. She clearly got upset and went into an emotional ride. But did she seek help for the harassment?
For ALL of the non Canadians out there, I would guarantee you that if you say something like "I hope you die in a hellhole." in a school environment, once reported, you will positively get punishment or some sort of intervention by the school's admins.
In the case of Fb comment to her wall, this further gives her the proof to solicify her case to the Police Department in which ALL parties involved will receive a suspension.
So why didn't do that when it ingrained genetically in Kindergarten period to ask help from superiors when things end up being miserable? And judging from various of her pictures floating online, she does look VERY confident in herself and have the guts to make a stand for herself with the middle finger picture and her display of lesbianism to the web (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=309950.18).
But yet she couldn't stand up on her own by simply telling on the bullies.
Not only that she didn't try to improve her image by sincerely feeling remorseful for the incident and try to expose the boy for this unfortunate event, she also further tarnished herself by sleeping around knowingly that the target have already someone else on the side.
Think about it, you caught your wife sleeping around with another man. Wouldn't it be nature to try to contravene with the third party of your relationship? That's exactly what the girlfriend of the boyfriend did, she put her in her place. So that is justifiable.
She completely have the power to turn this situation upon the boy for being a pervert and by grouping up her friends so that the boy would never get laid again for his creepy maneuver and be praised for generation to come. Despite of that, she chose to make one bad decisions after another and ultimate the most degenerate taboo of all, taking your own life.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
Its the jungle, kill or be killed. In this case, she performed both of these deeds.
A jungle environment pushes the humanity to the absolutely limit for survival. This brings the best of one's potential to the maximum and creates a sturdy character for the future. The fact that people have been turning more and more sensitive in this country already spells doom for its inhabitant.
What ever happen to the tough mentality of the women in the early colonization of Canada?
Instead of feeling pity for this gal, we should look at her shortcomings that leads to such trauma so that NOBODY in the future even commits the same mistake twice as her.
Beside she clearly don't give a fuck about the rest of the world: + Show Spoiler +
Give me one reason why the world shouldn't reciprocate the same.
In a thread full of contenders, you probably win the award for stupidest post.
Also, if we eradicated every teenage girl who ever took a Facebook picture of themselves giving the middle finger, we'd probably have a population crisis on our hands.
Stop the generalization RIGHT NOW. You are thinking extremely one dimensional.
The key here is that the other girls who take pictures of themselves are tough as fuck.
You obviously have never went up to one of them to insult them in the face, they will fire you back like Soviet Russia in Cold War with Nuclear Missile all the way from Cuba.
I would say that those girls rules the internet and would survive extremely well in later stage of their life.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
Its the jungle, kill or be killed. In this case, she performed both of these deeds.
A jungle environment pushes the humanity to the absolutely limit for survival. This brings the best of one's potential to the maximum and creates a sturdy character for the future. The fact that people have been turning more and more sensitive in this country already spells doom for its inhabitant.
What ever happen to the tough mentality of the women in the early colonization of Canada?
Instead of feeling pity for this gal, we should look at her shortcomings that leads to such trauma so that NOBODY in the future even commits the same mistake twice as her.
Beside she clearly don't give a fuck about the rest of the world: + Show Spoiler +
Give me one reason why the world shouldn't reciprocate the same.
OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH YEAH. HIGH SCHOOL IS THE REAL WORLD MAN. IT AIN'T LIKE IT WAS BACK THEN OLD MAN. WE'RE THE FUTURE, AND THE FUTURE IS HARD. SO TOUGHEN UP BUTTERCUP. OR ELSE THESE HALLWAYS WILL EAT YOU ALIVE.
I HEAR ITS TACO TUESDAY IN THE CAF' TODAY, BRO. GONNA TO STOP THIS SNACK ATTACK DEAD, SON. THAT'S HOW WE DO. YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, GRANDPA???
Fuck, teenagers are dumb.
That's the attitude, keep it up and you won't take shit from anyone.
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
The ONLY defense YOU, or anyone else on this board to defend the actions of these bullies, or the people that extorted or assaulted her, is by dragging her name in the mud. And comparing her to some other poor girl. THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE.
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A SMEAR CAMPAIGN.
What's next ? Are you going to explain to me that date rape doesn't count, if the girl is drunk and has a reputation for being a slut anyways? Or that if a black teenager is walking down the street with a hoodie, that is just cause for tracking and following that kid with a gun? That if a girl posts nude pictures of herself, she deserves to be harassed and bullied and followed where ever she goes?
And seriously, where's the mods?
You have no clue what your are talking about. All hes doing is pointing out a better perspective on the whole situation. There are many teen suicides due to bullying because of how the person looks but no one cares, at least not to this extent. Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Really... reallly... I want to tell you to kill yourself. Know why? Because unlike Amanda, who's only "crime" was to have a sexuality and try to survive with her pain by taking drugs, you're saying disgusting, heartless and sickening things about another person. How the fuck can you sit there and not realize that saying those things about another person who never hurt you is actually abhorrent and what you do with your own body is not?
@Defacer: Dude, I'm a teenager and I'm not dumb :/ otherwise, I've agreed with everything you've said.
Thanks ... however ...
Most teenagers like nitram have a false sense of entitlement and self-importance that allow them to past judgement on others.
Trust me. To all the high schoolers out there: nothing you believe in or have accomplished will matter in ten years. NONE of it. That's how unimportant you are, as a person, right now. You can be the star of your high school basketball team. Unless your name is Lebron James, ten years from now no one will give two-shits.
To actively destroy a young girls 'life' before it's even started is unfair and ridiculous.
On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote: Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Fuck, teenagers are dumb, too.
You shouldn't get to riled up. Mentioned it on the first page (or second) of this thread. Many kids/teens are simply assholes, you won't talk sense into them. They either learn through age or from being on the wrong end of some bully stuff and in some cases never. That's just how it is, although I don't know about the reasons... Reading this thread basically is a pretty clear example..
I can't help it. The fact that there is essentially a piece of child-porn in this thread (I don't care if there's little dots on it) disguised as 'a talking point' is fucking disgusting.
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
I'm sorry but could you perhaps direct me to the proof that she is lying. Not saying it's not true but I just don't have the time to scour this entire thread or the internet. If the only proof is word of mouth, then I would be highly skeptical considering there are a lot of jackasses in this situation that could just say whatever they wanted.
Proof would be the various pictures circulating. She claimed she flashed once, then from that was blackmailed, when there are multiple photos out there which prove it wasn't a one time thing. Given their nature, you'd have to search for the proof yourself on some shaddy sites (like /b/).
Point is people are taking everything she said at face value, without even considering she could be more at fault then she claimed.
I wouldn't even know where to begin searching to verify the truth. Tried some quick googlefu and I couldn't find anything that would sway my opinion against her. Again, not saying that me not finding evidence means it doesn't exist. It's that I'm yet to be convinced if I don't see any evidence. Maybe you can pm me or something.
On October 15 2012 07:19 tokicheese wrote: She could also have Made half the shit up that she said. Neither of us know which is why we should wait until all the facts come in. Your listening to the word of a girl who had everything to gain by making herself seem as innocent as possible. I don't trust that random unsourced picture and you shouldn't listen to Todd. Wait for the investigation to finish.
I'm not absolutely convinced by anyone. It's more that I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt considering she's dead... Not that being dead necessarily grants you any special privileges but the possible circumstances leading to her death might warrant it. In this case, she claims it was due to constant harassment which is not unreasonable. In a reasonable situation, you would give the victim the benefit of the doubt, not the perpetrators. It may not be the case every time if the victim is actually a victim, but generally, it's not wrong to give the potential victim the benefit of the doubt especially when they have dealt with the consequences (her being dead) while the potential perpetrators have not. Giving the benefit of the doubt is not the same as making up your mind.
I have issues with her story because Some of the stuff she claims screams fake. If she was really beaten up on school grounds by a gang of girls they would have had charges pressed on them. If there really was a guy with child porn as his display picture on Facebook wouldn't it be shut down? If people were really texting her that they wished she had died from drinking bleach it would be all over her phone history.
If she is telling the truth about how bad it was the people who were responsible for her well being obviously were negligent as fuck and deserve to be fired
As outsiders, we probably don't have any real perspective on the matter to objectively judge the situation anyway. It could be the case that everything she said was entirely true or partially true. And if partially true, then you have to determine what is relevant. Also, there are lots of factors that could allow unlikely things to work out. Not only that but it's entirely possible that some of your issues about her story could just be premature conjectures due to the lack of details like the guy's account not being shut down (maybe it was?).
You would be surprised the amount of information that is attached to handles and tags that you use on a daily basis. Check out Pipl.com and see what is linked to your email address or username.
A bit of creative thinking can get you a long way when it comes to finding someone. I actually do a bit of this for a living. Combine it with some tools that anyone can get to with a credit card, you can turn up anyone (At least in the US)
No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking.
On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote: Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Fuck, teenagers are dumb, too.
You shouldn't get to riled up. Mentioned it on the first page (or second) of this thread. Many kids/teens are simply assholes, you won't talk sense into them. They either learn through age or from being on the wrong end of some bully stuff and in some cases never. That's just how it is, although I don't know about the reasons... Reading this thread basically is a pretty clear example..
I can't help it. The fact that there is essentially a piece of child-porn in this thread (I don't care if there's little dots on it) disguised as 'a talking point' is fucking disgusting.
Again, where are the mods?
Well, you have to take into account that there is a lot of dumb stuff written on TL (especially since SC2 member explosion) and the mods have also other stuff to do in their lives. I guess the hammer will go down in the next days, you will see a whole lot of red in here
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
Its the jungle, kill or be killed. In this case, she performed both of these deeds.
A jungle environment pushes the humanity to the absolutely limit for survival. This brings the best of one's potential to the maximum and creates a sturdy character for the future. The fact that people have been turning more and more sensitive in this country already spells doom for its inhabitant.
What ever happen to the tough mentality of the women in the early colonization of Canada?
Instead of feeling pity for this gal, we should look at her shortcomings that leads to such trauma so that NOBODY in the future even commits the same mistake twice as her.
Beside she clearly don't give a fuck about the rest of the world: + Show Spoiler +
Give me one reason why the world shouldn't reciprocate the same.
It's entirely within the realm of possibility that this girl carried fault. It's also entirely possible that it's not all her fault. If the girl carried some of the fault, then sure, there are some things to learn from her. But your post leaves out that there is also something to be learned if it turns that it wasn't entirely her fault.
Also, that photo lacks context?
The first thing that we have to examine is how did she manage the crisis of her topless photos spreading out. She clearly got upset and went into an emotional ride. But did she seek help for the harassment?
For ALL of the non Canadians out there, I would guarantee you that if you say something like "I hope you die in a hellhole." in a school environment, once reported, you will positively get punishment or some sort of intervention by the school's admins.
In the case of Fb comment to her wall, this further gives her the proof to solicify her case to the Police Department in which ALL parties involved will receive a suspension.
So why didn't do that when it ingrained genetically in Kindergarten period to ask help from superiors when things end up being miserable? And judging from various of her pictures floating online, she does look VERY confident in herself and have the guts to make a stand for herself with the middle finger picture and her display of lesbianism to the web (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=309950.18).
But yet she couldn't stand up on her own by simply telling on the bullies.
Not only that she didn't try to improve her image by sincerely feeling remorseful for the incident and try to expose the boy for this unfortunate event, she also further tarnished herself by sleeping around knowingly that the target have already someone else on the side.
Think about it, you caught your wife sleeping around with another man. Wouldn't it be nature to try to contravene with the third party of your relationship? That's exactly what the girlfriend of the boyfriend did, she put her in her place. So that is justifiable.
She completely have the power to turn this situation upon the boy for being a pervert and by grouping up her friends so that the boy would never get laid again for his creepy maneuver and be praised for generation to come. Despite of that, she chose to make one bad decisions after another and ultimate the most degenerate taboo of all, taking your own life.
I don't think anyone is arguing that she made some bad decisions. More importantly, if her claims are true, then her aggressors also are in the wrong. Not siding with the girl doesn't mean you (not saying you are personally) have to side with the opposite side as a lot of people here are suggesting. Many seem to take the extreme stances that either the girl is completely innocent or that she entirely deserved everything coming to her.
On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote: Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Fuck, teenagers are dumb, too.
You shouldn't get to riled up. Mentioned it on the first page (or second) of this thread. Many kids/teens are simply assholes, you won't talk sense into them. They either learn through age or from being on the wrong end of some bully stuff and in some cases never. That's just how it is, although I don't know about the reasons... Reading this thread basically is a pretty clear example..
I can't help it. The fact that there is essentially a piece of child-porn in this thread (I don't care if there's little dots on it) disguised as 'a talking point' is fucking disgusting.
Again, where are the mods?
Let's be real. The picture isn't what's important to you. You just don't want evidence to undermine the victim narrative that white knights like you depend on. You don't have an answer to the actual content expressed by the picture, so of course you resort to censorship to undermine the discussion. God forbid that people don't feel sympathy for a pretty white girl, regardless of the circumstances.
On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote: No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking.
There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
The ONLY defense YOU, or anyone else on this board to defend the actions of these bullies, or the people that extorted or assaulted her, is by dragging her name in the mud. And comparing her to some other poor girl. THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE.
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A SMEAR CAMPAIGN.
What's next ? Are you going to explain to me that date rape doesn't count, if the girl is drunk and has a reputation for being a slut anyways? Or that if a black teenager is walking down the street with a hoodie, that is just cause for tracking and following that kid with a gun? That if a girl posts nude pictures of herself, she deserves to be harassed and bullied and followed where ever she goes?
And seriously, where's the mods?
You have no clue what your are talking about. All hes doing is pointing out a better perspective on the whole situation. There are many teen suicides due to bullying because of how the person looks but no one cares, at least not to this extent. Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Really... reallly... I want to tell you to kill yourself. Know why? Because unlike Amanda, who's only "crime" was to have a sexuality and try to survive with her pain by taking drugs, you're saying disgusting, heartless and sickening things about another person. How the fuck can you sit there and not realize that saying those things about another person who never hurt you is actually abhorrent and what you do with your own body is not?
@Defacer: Dude, I'm a teenager and I'm not dumb :/ otherwise, I've agreed with everything you've said.
Her crime is that shes a stupid slut. That is entirely her fault and she got bullied because of it. People that look bad can't help it, she can. She was a pathetic, weak human being.
What I wrote is sickening? Is that coming from someone that wants to tell people to kill themselves because of a forum post...
On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote: No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking.
There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
No, being a slut, you effectively increase your chance of getting impregnated by anyone. Could be a totally stranger at XX's drunk party or it could be someone whom you thought would be your one-in-a-million prince charming. And getting yourself in that situation yearn sever consequences to put a halt on your goals and future. So unless that your plan is to ultimately getting implemented with seeds, don't be one.
Safe slut don't exist, someone could easily poke a hole in a condom and would ruin your life.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're also part of the "if girls dress revealing they invite rape onto themselves" crowd as-well.
Am I right?
Get out. That is the best response you're going to get from me.
On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote: I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that.
She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions.
I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
It seems strange bizarre and wrong to you and I that she cut herself off and that she showed her breasts over the internet. You blame a young girl for making those decisions, I say that their were other factors in her life that caused her to make those decisions and, as a child, she shouldn't be held responsible. She didn't make conscience decisions to cut herself off or to flash that guy; she did it because of unconscious forces that she has no control over.
Once again you're deflecting all the blame.
"She didn't make conscience decisions to cut herself off or to flash that guy; she did it because of unconscious forces that she has no control over."
This makes my brain hurt. I can't believe people actually think this.
"and, as a child, she shouldn't be held responsible."
By that logic teenagers who murder people shouldn't be held accountable by their actions.
The laws regarding murder takes into account whether the murder was a crime of passion or planned and done in cold blood. It seems very clear to me that even with your analogy, Amanda is not as guilty of her crimes as a 1st degree murderer is of theirs.
But your analogy is also awful. If you think for even a second there is any comparison to be made between flashing your tits over the internet, where any impact at all is intended to increase the pleasure of all parties, and deliberately ending another human being's life, stop posting.
And the people who actually believe that is like 99% of the psychology community.
On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote: No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking.
There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
No, being a slut, you effectively increase your chance of getting impregnated by anyone. Could be a totally stranger at XX's drunk party or it could be someone whom you thought would be your one-in-a-million prince charming. And getting yourself in that situation yearn sever consequences to put a halt on your goals and future. So unless that your plan is to ultimately getting implemented with seeds, don't be one.
Part of being safe is properly utilizing birth control. You're not one of those religious/social conservatives who believes in abstience until marriage, are you?
On October 15 2012 09:37 Xiphos wrote: Safe slut don't exist, someone could easily poke a hole in a condom and would ruin your life.
"Safe drinking doesn't exist, someeone could easily put drugs in your drink and ruin your life."
On October 14 2012 07:30 SoulSever wrote: To people who think suicide is selfish: Get off your religious high horse and think about how things in life actually affect people who don't have the mental fortitude to shake it off and try to be happy.
To people who say anything along the lines of "She deserved it": I sincerely hope you die alone knowing that no one loves you
Suicide is selfish. That does not mean I'm angry at the people who commit suicide or think they're bad people; but it's ultimately a decision you make with only the solipsistic self in mind.
On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote: No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking.
There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
No, being a slut, you effectively increase your chance of getting impregnated by anyone. Could be a totally stranger at XX's drunk party or it could be someone whom you thought would be your one-in-a-million prince charming. And getting yourself in that situation yearn sever consequences to put a halt on your goals and future. So unless that your plan is to ultimately getting implemented with seeds, don't be one.
Part of being safe is properly utilizing birth control. You're not one of those religious/social conservatives who believes in abstience until marriage, are you?
On October 15 2012 09:37 Xiphos wrote: Safe slut don't exist, someone could easily poke a hole in a condom and would ruin your life.
"Safe drinking doesn't exist, someeone could easily put drugs in your drink and ruin your life."
Do you see why your logic is ridiculous?
"Safe walking doesn't exist, you could easily get hit by lightning" The best way to maximize longevity (if that's your only value) is to stay in your house whenever possible and eat only incredibly plain food.
On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote: Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Fuck, teenagers are dumb, too.
You shouldn't get to riled up. Mentioned it on the first page (or second) of this thread. Many kids/teens are simply assholes, you won't talk sense into them. They either learn through age or from being on the wrong end of some bully stuff and in some cases never. That's just how it is, although I don't know about the reasons... Reading this thread basically is a pretty clear example..
I can't help it. The fact that there is essentially a piece of child-porn in this thread (I don't care if there's little dots on it) disguised as 'a talking point' is fucking disgusting.
Again, where are the mods?
Let's be real. The picture isn't what's important to you. You just don't want evidence to undermine the victim narrative that white knights like you depend on. You don't have an answer to the actual content expressed by the picture, so of course you resort to censorship to undermine the discussion. God forbid that people don't feel sympathy for a pretty white girl, regardless of the circumstances.
On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote: No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking.
There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
I'm being entirely honest. The last thing I want to see when I come to TL is the topless pic of a thirteen year old that lead to the constant bullying and harassment that drove her into suicidal depression. The same 'points' could have been made with a different photo.
Is ther something I should know about you sunprince? Do you think that photo is defensible? Interesting? Some how adds to the discussion?
Note to high school: someone acting slutty isn't enough of a reason to hate or ostracize them. Over the next 15 or so years youre going to meet a lot of sluts. Some of them are mean, some of them are nice. You don't have to like them, but you don't have to actively hate or resent them either.
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
My question is why would it matter if she happened to be lying, and was a crack addicted prostitute? I'm not saying it's the case, but why would it matter? The fact is that she was pushed to suicide. Whether or not her poor lifestyle made it tough for her, there's no reason to pass harsh judgments on a person who obviously was defenseless to the world and had trouble dealing with her stuff. No matter her story, it's sad. And people who go out of their way to somehow try to make her look bad or something, what the hell are they all about?
That's not to say we should know the truth, but seriously, it doesn't matter. Don't fucking rail against dead kids.
How the fuck does it not matter? People are going to get criminal charges because of this of course the fucking truth matters. Just because she may have exaggerated shit doesn't mean the people who did this to her are going to walk free but it will decide what they are charged with and how long they are sentenced too. Do you really mean to tell me that her making up a story about a gang beating and convicting those kids of something that didn't happen doesn't matter...?
There is so much white knighting in this thread it's pretty unreal. No one is saying she deserved this or that the bullies should get off. But she DID BRING THIS ON HERSELF. SHE TOOK THE PICTURES. That doesn't make what those assholes did right but she made a mistake in her life. She is not some angel above criticism because she killed herself. Why can't we discuss what she did wrong to prevent this from occurring in the future?
Telling people to kill themselves is kinda hilarious in this thread because that's one of the reasons that made this girl kill herself.
On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote: No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking.
There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
No, being a slut, you effectively increase your chance of getting impregnated by anyone. Could be a totally stranger at XX's drunk party or it could be someone whom you thought would be your one-in-a-million prince charming. And getting yourself in that situation yearn sever consequences to put a halt on your goals and future. So unless that your plan is to ultimately getting implemented with seeds, don't be one.
Part of being safe is properly utilizing birth control. You're not one of those religious/social conservatives who believes in abstience until marriage, are you?
On October 15 2012 09:37 Xiphos wrote: Safe slut don't exist, someone could easily poke a hole in a condom and would ruin your life.
"Safe drinking doesn't exist, someeone could easily put drugs in your drink and ruin your life."
Do you see why your "logic" is ridiculous?
I'm fairly sure the actual problem with being a slut is the social attitude and irresponsibility that comes with it, rarely is anyone responsible with their relationships or themselves if they adopt that attitude. But it's a personal issue not inherent to being promiscuous or sexually active.
In my opinion, she had a string of very unfortunate events happening. I feel sorry for her, she does not deserve what happened, even if it was due to her actions. You people judging her stupid on her decisions are equally blind and stupid, by your inexperience in dealing with others. She was a teen, a kid to some. She does not know how to deal with her situation at first because she wants to keep it private from others. She does not have that mentality yet and now, never will. Ask yourself this, would you hide something embarassing from your parents when you were her age. Most teens try to fix their own problems by themselves and that's just their mentality, because they want to be more independent. Some of you people are judging her decisions and actions like she was an adult. I did stupid stuff as a teen too, and I'm sure most of you did the same as well. You can judge and say your opinion, but at the end of the day, it doesn't even help the situation to current teens who have the same or similar problems. We have to educate our youth and keep our eyes more aware of these things.
I have a little sister in highschool still, and sometimes I have to slap her around on the stupid things she does to herself or to others, but I don't blame her on it. It is something she has to experience and learn on her own. My sister's mistakes she has to deal and solve it both by herself, family, and friends, but we never blame her for doing stupid things. It it what we have to deal with, and what my sister has to deal with.
With social media nowadays, it is easier to spread rumors and information than it was years ago. It is harder for older people to get the truth about what younger people do nowadays on the internet, and how to solve them.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
You love putting words in my mouth rofl...
When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal and treated her word like gospel I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death and a zit popping nerd rofl. You have been white knighting all over this thread over some girl you don't know you can give it a rest now...
No couple of years back, trust me in the time of middle school, girls were fucking smart back then. They knew exactly the consequences of displaying your body on the internet is a big no no. We had groups and groups of people coming in to tell us how does internet work and the result of putting one files out there could be widespread.
Flashforward some years, teens are much more knowledgeable to these type of information because their older siblings, peers and medias have all insinuated it and no way they could escape from the power of peer to peer conversations on the topic. Just on the subway a year ago, I've seen 12 years old taking pictures of themselves there with one of them saying "Hey delete that picture, I don't want it to go over the internet." When I was 12, I was playing with Beyblades and Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Kids these days are astute as ever. We may be living in the most technological savvy generation of all time.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
You love putting words in my mouth rofl...
When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal...
Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF.
Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself.
On October 15 2012 10:00 Xiphos wrote: No couple of years back, trust me in the time of middle school, girls were fucking smart back then. They knew exactly the consequences of displaying your body on the internet is a big no no. We had groups and groups of people coming in to tell us how does internet work and the result of putting one files out there could be widespread.
Flashforward some years, teens are much more knowledgeable to these type of information because their older siblings, peers and medias have all insinuated it and no way they could escape from the power of peer to peer conversations on the topic. Just on the subway a year ago, I've seen 12 years old taking pictures of themselves there with one of them saying "Hey delete that picture, I don't want it to go over the internet." When I was 12, I was playing with Beyblades and Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Kids these days are astute as ever. We may be living in the most technological savvy generation of all time.
I don't think kids have gotten smarter/dumber. It's just that the continual advances of the information has given them more ways to screw themselves over.
On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote: Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Fuck, teenagers are dumb, too.
You shouldn't get to riled up. Mentioned it on the first page (or second) of this thread. Many kids/teens are simply assholes, you won't talk sense into them. They either learn through age or from being on the wrong end of some bully stuff and in some cases never. That's just how it is, although I don't know about the reasons... Reading this thread basically is a pretty clear example..
I can't help it. The fact that there is essentially a piece of child-porn in this thread (I don't care if there's little dots on it) disguised as 'a talking point' is fucking disgusting.
Again, where are the mods?
Let's be real. The picture isn't what's important to you. You just don't want evidence to undermine the victim narrative that white knights like you depend on. You don't have an answer to the actual content expressed by the picture, so of course you resort to censorship to undermine the discussion. God forbid that people don't feel sympathy for a pretty white girl, regardless of the circumstances.
On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote: No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking.
There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
I'm being entirely honest. The last thing I want to see when I come to TL is the topless pic of a thirteen year old that lead to the constant bullying and harassment that drove her into suicidal depression. The same 'points' could have been made with a different photo.
Is ther something I should know about you sunprince? Do you think that photo is defensible? Interesting? Some how adds to the discussion?
The photo is part of what makes the image effective in demonstrating the double standard. There are less controversial photos which could have been used, but the photo itself isn't child pornography (the depiction of sexually explicit activities involving a child). Regardless, my actual point was to call out the disingenuous argument being advanced (something I do often here on TL).
On October 15 2012 09:45 Defacer wrote: Note to high school: someone acting slutty isn't enough of a reason to hate or ostracize them. Over the next 15 or so years youre going to meet a lot of sluts. Some of them are mean, some of them are nice. You don't have to like them, but you don't have to actively hate or resent them either.
Yep, it's important to call out irresponsible behavior like giving out your personal information to the Internet, but there's nothing wrong with sluts and slut-shaming is lame.
On October 15 2012 10:00 Xiphos wrote: No couple of years back, trust me in the time of middle school, girls were fucking smart back then. They knew exactly the consequences of displaying your body on the internet is a big no no. We had groups and groups of people coming in to tell us how does internet work and the result of putting one files out there could be widespread.
Flashforward some years, teens are much more knowledgeable to these type of information because their older siblings, peers and medias have all insinuated it and no way they could escape from the power of peer to peer conversations on the topic. Just on the subway a year ago, I've seen 12 years old taking pictures of themselves there with one of them saying "Hey delete that picture, I don't want it to go over the internet." When I was 12, I was playing with Beyblades and Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Kids these days are astute as ever. We may be living in the most technological savvy generation of all time.
While true to some aspects, the playing field has changed, as it always will. It's harder for parents these days, because they use their experience in their youths to pass down their values to their kids. Values will always be the same, but the situations will never be. Hard for some parents to understand that. A good parent is not always about having their kids keep out of trouble, it's also about helping and solving the problem when it happens.
I come from an asian upbringing, and my friends from highschool were also asian. They kept out of trouble for the most part of their youth in school, but when they became adults and experienced an adult life... man... it was hell giving them advice when things don't go their way. I wasn't as fortunate as they were growing up, and I had a lot of problems and issues come up in my life, but I learned to deal and solve them. Even though I didn't experience exactly what they went through, I just told them on how their mentality and whatever values they have to themselves to get by their own issues. Be humble enough to know what just because whatever works for you, does not work for others, and that goes by values too.
Teens don't really have the patience to absorb and learn this from their parents. They tend to go out there and make their own mistakes and try to solve whatever issues and problems they have on their own. Not every teen does this, but you can be sure that there are those individuals that do. I watched my parents struggling trying to raise my older siblings, because they came from a third world country trying to raise kids in America. My siblings might have the same values in some aspects of life as my parents, but their environment is totally different. Just dealing with it took a toll on my family. I'm sure even in a different household, different family, everyone has their own issues and ways to deal with their youth back then and today. I'm just telling people to be more aware of what teens do nowadays, because using your own experience to understand someone's elses will be a challenge.
On October 15 2012 10:10 zbedlam wrote: The white knights are out in force in this thread.
She didn't deserve to die by any means, but how is this on the news?
Not sure why you're not also mentioning how the opposite is true. Just as how there are people blindly defending her, there are also people blindly attacking her. Some neutrality would be nice.
There are lots of random possible reasons how this could get on the news. Does it mean it's more newsworthy than some other story? Not necessarily but you don't have to be a negative nancy about it like it's some conspiracy or reflection of societal views.
On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote: No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking.
There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
No, being a slut, you effectively increase your chance of getting impregnated by anyone. Could be a totally stranger at XX's drunk party or it could be someone whom you thought would be your one-in-a-million prince charming. And getting yourself in that situation yearn sever consequences to put a halt on your goals and future. So unless that your plan is to ultimately getting implemented with seeds, don't be one.
Part of being safe is properly utilizing birth control. You're not one of those religious/social conservatives who believes in abstience until marriage, are you?
On October 15 2012 09:37 Xiphos wrote: Safe slut don't exist, someone could easily poke a hole in a condom and would ruin your life.
"Safe drinking doesn't exist, someeone could easily put drugs in your drink and ruin your life."
Do you see why your "logic" is ridiculous?
I'm fairly sure the actual problem with being a slut is the social attitude and irresponsibility that comes with it, rarely is anyone responsible with their relationships or themselves if they adopt that attitude. But it's a personal issue not inherent to being promiscuous or sexually active.
Yeah, there are potentially negative things correlated with being a slut, but there's nothing wrong with being a slut per se.
Just like the are potentially negative things correlated with being a gamer (out of shape, obsessive, undersexed, immature), but there's nothing wrong with being a gamer per se.
LOL obviously someone isn't very familiar with the media paparazis. There are so many cases where a sex scandal video tapes of some female celebrity went viral and they got scrutinized all over the place and got people following them to the edge of the planet to hear the TMZ of her story.
We live in a very cruel environment, deal with it. Just from the reaction of the the people saying that she is an angel and would be there for her only after the incident have occurred. She posted up that video of herself that she is indeed planning to go suicidal, where were you back then? Why didn't you go up to her yourself and attempt to repair things? Why didn't hire psychiatrist or lock her up in rehab for depression treatment?
For god's sake, she have stated that she was drinking bleach. Isn't that enough to get your attention? But no, only after she have done it, people decided to 'feel' for her. In one way or another, EVERY single one of people who knew her and didn't help is responsible for her decision and should ALL be condemned.
Another thing, go over to Fb over her memorum board and check out every single comment there is on there. About 85% of them all states that "Aww she was a beautiful girl.", "So sad to see such a cute girl go."
She wouldn't get nearly as attention if her appearance wasn't above average. This is why the world is so wrong. Its because of the superficiality exhibited by the people. Those people who mourn for her death because of her beauty are even worse than the one putting 100% blame on her.
The question is why don't you treat her just like any other suicidal teens and mourn for her?
On October 15 2012 10:20 Xiphos wrote: LOL obviously someone isn't very familiar with the media paparazis. There are so many cases where a sex scandal video tapes of some female celebrity went viral and they got scrutinized all over the place and got people following them to the edge of the planet to hear the TMZ of her story.
We live in a very cruel environment, deal with it. Just from the reaction of the the people saying that she is an angel and would be there for her only after the incident have occurred. She posted up that video of herself that she is indeed planning to go suicidal, where were you back then? Why didn't you go up to her yourself and attempt to repair things? Why didn't hire psychiatrist or lock her up in rehab for depression treatment?
For god's sake, she have stated that she was drinking bleach. Isn't that enough to get your attention? But no, only after she have done it, people decided to 'feel' for her. In one way or another, EVERY single one of people who knew her and didn't help is responsible for her decision and should ALL be condemned.
Another thing, go over to Fb over her memorum board and check out every single comment there is on there. About 85% of them all states that "Aww she was a beautiful girl.", "So sad to see such a cute girl go."
She wouldn't get nearly as attention if her appearance wasn't above average. This is why the world is so wrong. Its because of the superficiality exhibited by the people. Those people who mourn for her death because of her beauty are even worse than the one putting 100% blame on her.
The question is why don't you treat her just like any other suicidal teens and mourn for her?
You could probably dedicate your life to every attention seeking teenager that cuts him/herself. Too many of them and honestly within a month or so everyone has forgotten about her and there will be another poor girl that was mentally unstable and killed herself. All that will be left is grieving parents that may never get over the shit their selfish daughter pulled.
On October 15 2012 10:20 Xiphos wrote: LOL obviously someone isn't very familiar with the media paparazis. There are so many cases where a sex scandal video tapes of some female celebrity went viral and they got scrutinized all over the place and got people following them to the edge of the planet to hear the TMZ of her story.
We live in a very cruel environment, deal with it. Just from the reaction of the the people saying that she is an angel and would be there for her only after the incident have occurred. She posted up that video of herself that she is indeed planning to go suicidal, where were you back then? Why didn't you go up to her yourself and attempt to repair things? Why didn't hire psychiatrist or lock her up in rehab for depression treatment?
For god's sake, she have stated that she was drinking bleach. Isn't that enough to get your attention? But no, only after she have done it, people decided to 'feel' for her. In one way or another, EVERY single one of people who knew her and didn't help is responsible for her decision and should ALL be condemned.
Another thing, go over to Fb over her memorum board and check out every single comment there is on there. About 85% of them all states that "Aww she was a beautiful girl.", "So sad to see such a cute girl go."
She wouldn't get nearly as attention if her appearance wasn't above average. This is why the world is so wrong. Its because of the superficiality exhibited by the people. Those people who mourn for her death because of her beauty are even worse than the one putting 100% blame on her.
The question is why don't you treat her just like any other suicidal teens and mourn for her?
That's because most people try to improve the world or their surroundings other than improving on themselves. People like to think that they are perfect or flawless, but in reality, you can only do so much to help yourself and those around you. Can't help out everyone in the world, so you can't know about it or do so much except give your say. Nothing wrong in thinking like this, but it is not selfish to think and work on yourself first than help the world. If you cannot help or improve yourself, then why consider helping the world when you need the help? Yes, we don't live in an ideal world, but there's nothing wrong in working towards your ideal life no matter what gets thrown at you.
On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote: Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Fuck, teenagers are dumb, too.
You shouldn't get to riled up. Mentioned it on the first page (or second) of this thread. Many kids/teens are simply assholes, you won't talk sense into them. They either learn through age or from being on the wrong end of some bully stuff and in some cases never. That's just how it is, although I don't know about the reasons... Reading this thread basically is a pretty clear example..
I can't help it. The fact that there is essentially a piece of child-porn in this thread (I don't care if there's little dots on it) disguised as 'a talking point' is fucking disgusting.
Again, where are the mods?
Let's be real. The picture isn't what's important to you. You just don't want evidence to undermine the victim narrative that white knights like you depend on. You don't have an answer to the actual content expressed by the picture, so of course you resort to censorship to undermine the discussion. God forbid that people don't feel sympathy for a pretty white girl, regardless of the circumstances.
On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote: No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking.
There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
I'm being entirely honest. The last thing I want to see when I come to TL is the topless pic of a thirteen year old that lead to the constant bullying and harassment that drove her into suicidal depression. The same 'points' could have been made with a different photo.
Is ther something I should know about you sunprince? Do you think that photo is defensible? Interesting? Some how adds to the discussion?
The photo is part of what makes the image effective in demonstrating the double standard. There are less controversial photos which could have been used, but the photo itself isn't child pornography (the depiction of sexually explicit activities involving a child). Regardless, my actual point was to call out the disingenuous argument being advanced (something I do often here on TL).
On October 15 2012 09:45 Defacer wrote: Note to high school: someone acting slutty isn't enough of a reason to hate or ostracize them. Over the next 15 or so years youre going to meet a lot of sluts. Some of them are mean, some of them are nice. You don't have to like them, but you don't have to actively hate or resent them either.
Yep, it's important to call out irresponsible behavior like giving out your personal information to the Internet, but there's nothing wrong with sluts and slut-shaming is lame.
I know your TL persona well enough to understand it's your standard build to call bullshit on people, but I am not bullshitting when I say I genuinely find that photo fucking gross and irrelevant to discussing the circumstances of her death.
I don't need childhood head shots of Jerry Sandusky's victims or the exit wound in JFK's lifeless corpse to discuss those topics either.
It's not like this girl was a homicidal maniac or even a felon. Even if people want to argue that she is somehow to blame for how she was treated, its no reason to mistreat her now. People should grow up and show some respect for the dead, especially someone who was practically a kid. That's not 'white knighting,' that's common decency.
Damn. A lot of young'ins in here. Maybe when you grow up you'll get some empathy for other people.
She's a female. They aren't known to be logical, no offense. Add to that the fact she's a teenager. Those guys don't use much logic either. Add to that the fact she's lonely. Everyone needs to be understood or, if nothing else, at least have someone real to talk to, otherwise they go crazy. Add to that the fact she's moving geographically every few months so she can't make a solid group of friends which means she has to move again. It's a vicious cycle. Compounded, all of that will do a mental number on anybody.
@Pleiades, what are you trying to say? That people should improve on themselves first and then others? Yeah I agree on that, hear me out. But this all go back to the post made by Headshothank with the contrast between the two cases. People shouldn't discriminate, period. Amanda shouldn't get more attention than anyone else in the world. But yet because of her statuses, this changes everything.
Shania Gray did nothing to bring that fate upon herself but her board have gotten more hatred and ignorance than Amanda's who actually arrived at this conclusion in her own peril (not completely but a major part). And the biggest difference is that one have been murdered by a second party whereas the subject here have no respect for her life in which this could definitely been avoided. She is still in the Driver's seat. So in a sense, you could say that she have decide to walk down this path. And anyone who arbitrarily chose to take her life isn't a fighter to face the reality but a mere coward.
There are much more people giving support to her case. Fuck this is completely disgusting.
There are much more people giving support to her case. Fuck this is completely disgusting.
Because it went viral? Why is it disgusting, because other issues that are possibly more important aren't brought up?
At the end of the day, all we can do is change what happens in what we see. If I see someone that is depressed and possibly suicidal, I would talk to them. This case of Amanda Todd reminds us that if we can, do something. Not to defend her actions, not to call her a "slut" (which I believe to be inappropriate but I won't go into this), but to simply look at what has happened to her and what we could personally do. Calling for the perpetrators for their heads to be bashed in will not be good, nor is saying that people defending her are "white knighting" and "elitist". Just let this case tell you what you think is right or wrong.
There are much more people giving support to her case. Fuck this is completely disgusting.
Because it went viral? Why is it disgusting, because other issues that are possibly more important aren't brought up?
At the end of the day, all we can do is change what happens in what we see. If I see someone that is depressed and possibly suicidal, I would talk to them. This case of Amanda Todd reminds us that if we can, do something. Not to defend her actions, not to call her a "slut" (which I believe to be inappropriate but I won't go into this), but to simply look at what has happened to her and what we could personally do. Calling for the perpetrators for their heads to be bashed in will not be good, nor is saying that people defending her are "white knighting" and "elitist". Just let this case tell you what you think is right or wrong.
You are still instilled bias and double standards in this case though.
Go and read the contrast between the two cases. NOT everyone agrees with your thought process. In fact evidence shows that most of the people disagree with your mentality of always trying to cheer someone up. You would expect the ratio of the words of encouragement and disdain to be somewhat identical despite of the viral-ness. But no it isn't, people treated her better where a case could have been absolutely avoided. And that's why I find it disgusting of such hypocritical nature of the people.
It's sad that help couldn't be reached in time but you know, high school student's seek that sort of affection from their peers because you'd be shunned otherwise.
Still to this day the amount of high school peers that actually feels the need to either lend a helping hand or defend someone is still in the minority and that of itself points at a very old and serious problem that has yet to be remedied.
Reading some of the comments in this thread almost disgusts me. This poor girl made a mistake when she was very young and it haunted her until the day she died. Keep in mind she was 15 years old when she died. That is incredibly young; she had almost no time to develop. Even if a lot of what happened was her fault, it's clear she regretted her mistakes and tried to learn from them.
What she had to go through was horrible. Especially at her age, no one should be without a friend like she was and no one should have to go through being bullied. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't experienced either.
My deepest condolences for her and her family. Everyone makes stupid mistakes, but she definitely didn't deserve that level of abuse :/
Her video should help raise awareness for a while and may save some people from teetering off the edge like she did. Even if it's only for a little bit before everyone forgets about this ......
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
You love putting words in my mouth rofl...
When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal...
Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF.
Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself.
So your going to tell me that her actions didn't play a part in this seriously? She showed her tits to some stranger. That's not a big deal at all it doesn't make her a bad person and she certainly did not deserve what happened to her. But you can't say her actions didn't play a part in it because thats just not true. She made a horrible decision and the douche bag who harassed her made it worse.
It's so cute how you and other pathetic white knights attack people that even remotely question this girls status as a saint and twist peoples words to make them blame the victim when it's clear that's not what I am doing at all.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
You love putting words in my mouth rofl...
When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal...
Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF.
Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself.
So your going to tell me that her actions didn't play a part in this seriously? She showed her tits to some stranger. That's not a big deal at all it doesn't make her a bad person and she certainly did not deserve what happened to her. But you can't say her actions didn't play a part in it because thats just not true. She made a horrible decision and the douche bag who harassed her made it worse.
It's so cute how you and other pathetic white knights attack people that even remotely question this girls status as a saint and twist peoples words to make them blame the victim when it's clear that's not what I am doing at all.
Pathetic white knights? Get a hold of yourself. There's nothing pathetic in a man's vehement defense of a dead child.
Her actions may be viewed as misguided, but that picture that was posted earlier tried to depict her as a "dumb slut" if I may, which even if it were true it still wouldn't change ANYTHING. The picture was trying to make her look bad, as if it wasn't so bad that she died, because she was "promiscuous". And you stand here in defense of this?
How dare you call anyone pathetic. What a small man you are.
I feel like a lot of the story is missing or some of the things she said aren't true.
Stuff like 'the police knocked on our door at 4am' when the photos were circulated just doesn't make any sense... It isn't the kind of thing the police would make a house call on out of the blue at 4am. I can't even imagine them making any investigations at all unless it was reported, since I doubt they would even know who she was or where she lived. And even if they did why is there no mention of her parents? You would think the police would have talked to her parents about this when they made the house call. And after something like that happening you would think her parents would keep a much closer eye on her if they were even half decent parents.
It's the same deal with the bleach; it seems that half the school some how managed to find out about it yet for some reason now neither her parents nor the police or any healthcare professionals seemed to know about it. One would think since she said it almost killed her that she would have wound up in hospital, and that somebody there would have been suspicious about her state of mind and kept an eye on her. I mean this happening combined with her photo incident, previous attempted suicides, cutting and a drug and alcohol addiction is surely enough for the authorities to question her parents and potentially even have her taken into administrative care.
Not saying that this isn't tragic; it is, and it depresses the hell out of me that people like those involved in her bullying even exist on this planet. I just think that the real story needs to surface before anyone can make any judgements on this. And I think her parents need to be subject to much more scrutiny if everything Amanda said does turn out to be true.
Edit: It is also unfortunate that things like this only seem to perpetuate the notion that people only care about stuff like this happening when it happens to young, attractive females.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
You love putting words in my mouth rofl...
When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal...
Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF.
Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself.
So your going to tell me that her actions didn't play a part in this seriously? She showed her tits to some stranger. That's not a big deal at all it doesn't make her a bad person and she certainly did not deserve what happened to her. But you can't say her actions didn't play a part in it because thats just not true. She made a horrible decision and the douche bag who harassed her made it worse.
It's so cute how you and other pathetic white knights attack people that even remotely question this girls status as a saint and twist peoples words to make them blame the victim when it's clear that's not what I am doing at all.
Pathetic white knights? Get a hold of yourself. There's nothing pathetic in a man's vehement defense of a dead child.
Her actions may be viewed as misguided, but that picture that was posted earlier tried to depict her as a "dumb slut" if I may, which even if it were true it still wouldn't change ANYTHING. The picture was trying to make her look bad, as if it wasn't so bad that she died, because she was "promiscuous". And you stand here in defense of this?
How dare you call anyone pathetic. What a small man you are.
Kindly point me to where I called her a slut? I never said she deserved it so chill the fuck out. I just said we can't take her words at face value because she could be lying. How many times has it happened in this forum where a story happens and then it takes a total 180 when the full story is known?
It seems like your attributing all the mean shit in this thread to me when I have been nothing but respectful to her. Now your calling me a small man for "attacking" a child because I have been so mean to her.
How dare I question her story and not blindly attack people on the internet who even question her status as perfect! I think your the one who needs to grow up.
It's really pathetic how you blindly throw yourself at this girls feet when we literally know nothing about the full story.
To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face. You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
You love putting words in my mouth rofl...
When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal...
Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF.
Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself.
So your going to tell me that her actions didn't play a part in this seriously? She showed her tits to some stranger. That's not a big deal at all it doesn't make her a bad person and she certainly did not deserve what happened to her. But you can't say her actions didn't play a part in it because thats just not true. She made a horrible decision and the douche bag who harassed her made it worse.
It's so cute how you and other pathetic white knights attack people that even remotely question this girls status as a saint and twist peoples words to make them blame the victim when it's clear that's not what I am doing at all.
Pathetic white knights? Get a hold of yourself. There's nothing pathetic in a man's vehement defense of a dead child.
Her actions may be viewed as misguided, but that picture that was posted earlier tried to depict her as a "dumb slut" if I may, which even if it were true it still wouldn't change ANYTHING. The picture was trying to make her look bad, as if it wasn't so bad that she died, because she was "promiscuous". And you stand here in defense of this?
How dare you call anyone pathetic. What a small man you are.
Kindly point me to where I called her a slut? I never said she deserved it so chill the fuck out. I just said we can't take her words at face value because she could be lying. How many times has it happened in this forum where a story happens and then it takes a total 180 when the full story is known?
It seems like your attributing all the mean shit in this thread to me when I have been nothing but respectful to her. Now your calling me a small man for "attacking" a child because I have been so mean to her.
How dare I question her story and not blindly attack people on the internet who even question her status as perfect! I think your the one who needs to grow up.
It's really pathetic how you blindly throw yourself at this girls feet when we literally know nothing about the full story
You never called her a slut, if you knew how to read you'd understand that I'm saying that based on your support of the previously posted picture that depicted Amanda Todd as a "slut", basically.
And I don't think that I'm pathetic for defending the girl (throwing myself at her feet? what are you even trying to do?). Once again you're showing that you don't quite understand what I'm saying. I was quite clear in saying that it doesn't even matter what the story is - this girl, no matter how bad she acted, evokes sadness.
If you need me to further explain my posts, just ask instead of completely deforming what I'm saying.
On October 15 2012 12:38 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote: To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face. You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
She's was not a boy. And that's not what everyone is taught, so if they don't do it it's because it doesn't occur to them. Is that their fault too?
Come on. How are people convinced that being attacked by others is not the fault of those other people. Honestly how does that even happen? Your brain is capable of so much.
On October 15 2012 12:38 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote: To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face. You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
Um, no?
If you're physical weaker than them it'll just piss them off and they'll do it more often.
3/10, 1/10 if you're not trolling, because you clearly have no idea at all about being bullied by people who are physically stronger than you are.
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
You love putting words in my mouth rofl...
When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal...
Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF.
Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself.
So your going to tell me that her actions didn't play a part in this seriously? She showed her tits to some stranger. That's not a big deal at all it doesn't make her a bad person and she certainly did not deserve what happened to her. But you can't say her actions didn't play a part in it because thats just not true. She made a horrible decision and the douche bag who harassed her made it worse.
It's so cute how you and other pathetic white knights attack people that even remotely question this girls status as a saint and twist peoples words to make them blame the victim when it's clear that's not what I am doing at all.
So, what exactly are your trying to achieve by arguing that she isn't a saint? It doesn't justify what happened to her or how people treated her.
Is it the amount of attention this suicide has received? Do you feel that there are more saintly people that have been bullied and persecuted unfairly? Sure, that's probably true. But that doesn't that make cyberstalking and bullying in general less of an issue.
Should society be admonished, because this poor girl foreshadowed her depression and suicide so publicly, while even more miserable people died more quietly, without recognition? Perhaps. But this is how society has always been.
So ultimately, what's your point? You basically taking pot shots at a dead girl, dude.
On October 15 2012 12:38 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote: To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face. You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
did you get that from the movies or something? i have witnessed something like that before and it did not turn out well for the kid getting bullied, it will just piss the bullies off and they will get more agressive.
There are much more people giving support to her case. Fuck this is completely disgusting.
Because it went viral? Why is it disgusting, because other issues that are possibly more important aren't brought up?
At the end of the day, all we can do is change what happens in what we see. If I see someone that is depressed and possibly suicidal, I would talk to them. This case of Amanda Todd reminds us that if we can, do something. Not to defend her actions, not to call her a "slut" (which I believe to be inappropriate but I won't go into this), but to simply look at what has happened to her and what we could personally do. Calling for the perpetrators for their heads to be bashed in will not be good, nor is saying that people defending her are "white knighting" and "elitist". Just let this case tell you what you think is right or wrong.
You are still instilled bias and double standards in this case though.
Go and read the contrast between the two cases. NOT everyone agrees with your thought process. In fact evidence shows that most of the people disagree with your mentality of always trying to cheer someone up. You would expect the ratio of the words of encouragement and disdain to be somewhat identical despite of the viral-ness. But no it isn't, people treated her better where a case could have been absolutely avoided. And that's why I find it disgusting of such hypocritical nature of the people.
I never said "cheer them up". You talk with them. Saying things such as "Don't worry, things will get better" are things depressed people will generally not want to hear. Sometimes they just want to talk.
But I do agree with your sentimentality of the hypocritical nature of people, but unfortunately we're all hypocritical, me included
On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote: i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes...
You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority.
"Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it."
For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
You love putting words in my mouth rofl...
When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal...
Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF.
Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself.
So your going to tell me that her actions didn't play a part in this seriously? She showed her tits to some stranger. That's not a big deal at all it doesn't make her a bad person and she certainly did not deserve what happened to her. But you can't say her actions didn't play a part in it because thats just not true. She made a horrible decision and the douche bag who harassed her made it worse.
It's so cute how you and other pathetic white knights attack people that even remotely question this girls status as a saint and twist peoples words to make them blame the victim when it's clear that's not what I am doing at all.
So, what exactly are your trying to achieve by arguing that she isn't a saint? It doesn't justify what happened to her or how people treated her.
Is it the amount of attention this suicide has received? Do you feel that there are more saintly people that have been bullied and persecuted unfairly? Sure, that's probably true. But that doesn't that make cyberstalking and bullying in general less of an issue.
Should society be admonished, because this poor girl foreshadowed her depression and suicide so publicly, while even more miserable people died more quietly, without recognition? Perhaps. But this is how society has always been.
So ultimately, what's your point? You basically taking pot shots at a dead girl, dude.
How the fuck am I taking pot shots Jesus Christ. I said that we should not take her word as 100% truth. Your acting like she is a saint who cannot tell a lie and anyone who says anything that could even be remotely taken as negative towards her is an ass hole and is responsible for her death. Just because she might have exaggerated a bit doesn't mean I don't want the bullies to be persecuted.
I have never once said she deserved this. I said she made a poor choice and the results of that came back to haunt her because of some fucked up individual but I never once said anything close to her deserving it.
Your just putting words in my mouth I never said that this doesnt deserve attention once in this thread and I have said over and over and over that this case needs to lead to better education for young girls and their parents. Also that the school administrations need to be fired for being shitty at their jobs.
But okay apparently people like me are responsible for her death for not taking what she says as an absolute truth and waiting for more evidence. Extraordinary claims require Extraordinary Evidence.
She made a BUNCH of bad decisions down the line, I think we can all agree with that. But no amount of bad decisions justified the treatment she received from her peers.
Now some of the words used in the description are bad, whether she dead or not. But I mean the facts of it, are they all true?
Maybe. A better question would be why, exactly, would it matter or make a difference if it was true? Is two years of tormenting, stalking and harassment suddenly justifiable?
On October 15 2012 13:05 geokilla wrote: So bad mouthing and everything is bad.... But is this true? All I heard from her death is what I saw on TV 2 nights ago.
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Now some of the words used in the description are bad, whether she dead or not. But I mean the facts of it, are they all true?
It's some 14 year old on 4chan exploiting both situations to make a ham-fisted point about "hypocrisy in the media", complete with a quote from a Pulitzer winner for extra intellect points. I'm not even sure why you posted it.
On October 15 2012 13:05 geokilla wrote: So bad mouthing and everything is bad.... But is this true? All I heard from her death is what I saw on TV 2 nights ago.
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Now some of the words used in the description are bad, whether she dead or not. But I mean the facts of it, are they all true?
It's some 14 year old on 4chan exploiting both situations to make a ham-fisted point about "hypocrisy in the media", complete with a quote from a Pulitzer winner for extra intellect points. I'm not even sure why you posted it.
LOL. I didn't even notice that. Toni Morrison would vomit if she saw this.
On October 15 2012 13:05 geokilla wrote: So bad mouthing and everything is bad.... But is this true? All I heard from her death is what I saw on TV 2 nights ago.
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Now some of the words used in the description are bad, whether she dead or not. But I mean the facts of it, are they all true?
It's some 14 year old on 4chan exploiting both situations to make a ham-fisted point about "hypocrisy in the media", complete with a quote from a Pulitzer winner for extra intellect points. I'm not even sure why you posted it.
LOL. I didn't even notice that. Toni Morrison would vomit if she saw this.
Well, having read Toni Morrison I don't think she should even dignify it with a response and would instead carry on to do things that matter.
To the people saying highschool is terrible nowadays, it isn't. Most highschools are quite normal stuff like this rarely ever happens. Also you don't need any social networking in highschool, I'm getting through just fine wihout a facebook.
I think that it's important for those discussing that the discussion being had here actually has no moral value what so ever, unless you are taken action on your words and actively doing something surrounding the situation of this person's passing. It may have great personal or ideological value to you, but the moral standing of arguing on either side of an event which you can no longer affect is mute. I hope that those of you who've made proclamations to protect and help those in need who are treated unfairly would stick to their guns on that one as many in our communities are already doing. It's a pretty simple phrase that describes this: "Give flowers to me while I'm alive".
I find it extremely insidious that simply because the Shiana's story failed to go viral (I'm guessing largely because there's no controversy. If you put any person in a room with the rapist and a baseball bat we'd all know what to do) Amanda's story doesn't deserve to. As if there's nothing to learn from what happened to Amanda simply because bad things have happened to other people as well.
It's ridiculous. It's absolutely nonsensical philosophy. As if the narratives that compel us in life have to depend on body count or gravity of depravity in order to be valid.
Amanda's story is compelling because she's a child who was killed by things that many of us experience in our own lives, and are not unthinkable acts that only rare and exceptionally deranged individuals perpetrate. The fact that the discussion about Amanda is lively ABSOLUTELY lends no legitimacy that the issue of Shiana isn't as valuable. As if somehow I had only spent less time thinking about Amanda and more time thinking about Shiana all of a sudden rapists wouldn't be able to rape any more.
Either way, we should start to learn here that facebook can be extremely dangerous.
Since so much has been said in this thread, it seems reasonable that I have a great number of thoughts. Perhaps the length of this post will be offset by - what I hope - are my civilly-written insights:
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I'm curious about this fixation of some to assign singular blame in this incident.
It is completely possible that more than one party is at least partially blameworthy in some degree. It is also completely possible that many other things not even yet listed are at least contributory to the events that transpired. It is also completely possible that there is no one, sufficient cause suitable for succinct explanation of what happened.
It seems quite possible that, like most everything, there is overdetermination in 'the cause.' Or at the very least, there is a multiplicity of convening factors that - only when together - actually led to what did happen.
- You could say that the parents of Amanda were at fault insofar as they did not sufficiently intervene in some way to - prevent this; or that they 'should' have raised a better child - You could also say that Amanda was at fault, insofar as it was her actual actions that contributed to or even catalyzed certain events - You could say that it was the bullies' fault, insofar as they were the ones that created the actual social situation that apparently broke her - You could also say that it was the bullies' parents fault, insofar as they should have raised non-bully children - You could say that it was the blackmailer's fault for commiting blackmail - You could also say that it was the school's fault for not intervening in some meaningful way - You could say that it was a doctor's fault for not noticing anything peculiar when she was taken to hospital - You could also say it was the Facebook administration's fault for not policing its site well enough - You could say that it was the internet's fault, insofar as it was involved in enabling the events that transpired - You could even say that Britain is at fault for having launched an expedition to claim new land that eventually led to the creation of Canadian society that eventually led to today's society in 2012.
All of these things you can say. And in some senses, they would all be true if you were to say them. That doesn't make them all important. In philosophy, one might call any of the above an INUS condition - something that is an insufficient but necessary element of a condition that is unnecessary but sufficient. Pointing to any one of them, or even a group of them, in isolation and saying 'if this hadn't happened. . .' is not the strongest kind of claim to make.
There also is a limit to how useful one's counterfactual proposals can go before they stop being important. For example, if you were to say 'IF she had been more mature and considerate towards the consequences of her actions and did not have the body of a 13-year old and did not live in a society where . . .' the example becomes so distorted that it might as well not even be the same case.
Certainly, it is logically possible that everything about the situation could have been other than what it was. She may even be alive in some possible world. 'She' could even have been the next break-out foreign terran star at IPL5, coming out of the open bracket and taking down the zerg bonjwa, Avilo, in the grand finals. - But this sort of logical possibilty is not what most mean when talking about how things could have been different.
Considering the multiplicity of factors and possibilities that could have still cropped up and led to the same conclusion, drawing the line of which a condition is 'the cause' or 'merely a factor' is spurious at best. Proximate vs ultimate cause is tricky like that. The whole butterfly -> tornado on other side of world thing as well.
I'm not even going to touch on blame vs dessert here. That would make this post stupidly long.
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There are also a number of statements being made about the mental sophistication of teenagers and there (in)ability to employ reason. - Is it so wild to think that some teenagers are quite smart? But that some are also not that smart? - There are some who actively employ reasoning in action-consequence deliberations. But there are also some who are very impulsive and reactionary - Some teenagers are very reserved and mature. Others are rather outlandish and immature.
I admit that I do not have at hand the specific evidence, but as a student of psychology once upon a time, I recall there being some research that during adolescence, the brain's neural pathways begin to physically restructure and continue to develop into an 'adult brain'. The last thing restrurctured / developed is supposedly the part of the (adult) brain chiefly responsible for cognitions about future consequences. And this development does not fully complete until the early 20s.
That is to say, there's some spectre of evidence to suggest that the 'full powers of reason' are not totally available to teenagers. Certainly, some of it may be, depending on a variety of factors and progress of both physical and mental development it may vary accordingly from person to person.
So, in a certain sense, teenagers are not given the benefit of the doubt and are presumed to be 'not full rational agents.' It is for that reason that children or young teens are actually not capable of legally committing murder EXCEPT when there is an explicit determination that the cognitive levels of the person are sufficiently 'adult' in nature.
Even so, I should think it important to point out that even with a sufficiently developed brain, very few people actually employ rational-logical claim-reason-complexes in everyday life unless they have been specifically trained to do so. It simply isn't 'natural.' To expect it from a barely-teenage girl is questionable at best.
Sure, it would be nice if we could expect those things. But there's this whole thing about tempering one's expectations to social and physical reality and making reasonable demands from people in light of those considerations.
tl;dr: If you thought this was long, it's a good thing I didn't put down everything that I was thinking here.
While a lot of her actions were in my view wrong, the bullying and stalking that was done of her was way over the top. There are more than a single side to this, and most of them are wrong. So many things could have been done to prevent this. :/
It's unfortunate that she walked down such a dark path and chose to commit suicide in the end. There are a lot of questions that are raised from all of this, but I'd say they're all fairly obvious questions and most likely have been posted many times in this thread. All I can really say is rest in peace, amanda, and that I hope people one day learn how detrimental bullying in high school can be. I was fortunate enough to be able to stand up for myself and my friends back then, but not everyone can do that. I hope others can learn from this.
That's the one downside of the internet, and that's why I believe people who are not mature enough to use it properly shouldn't get to use it at all. Even I get scared of using Facebook sometimes, all it takes is somebody coming and while I am logged on at home and they can destroy my reputation with all my family and friends. Luckily I am smart enough to log out whenever I am not using it, but there have been so many situations where I have full access to someone elses.
On October 15 2012 12:38 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote: To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face. You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
Um, no?
If you're physical weaker than them it'll just piss them off and they'll do it more often.
3/10, 1/10 if you're not trolling, because you clearly have no idea at all about being bullied by people who are physically stronger than you are.
1/10
Strength doesn't factor into the equation, you just sucker-punch the guy in the jaw/nose and it's all over the second it started.
On October 15 2012 12:38 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote: To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face. You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
Um, no?
If you're physical weaker than them it'll just piss them off and they'll do it more often.
3/10, 1/10 if you're not trolling, because you clearly have no idea at all about being bullied by people who are physically stronger than you are.
1/10
Strength doesn't factor into the equation, you just sucker-punch the guy in the jaw/nose and it's all over the second it started.
Talking from experience.
For girls though.....ye I dunno...
i'm glad you can solve other people's problems based on a single person's experience. You should be ashamed.
On October 15 2012 12:38 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote: To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face. You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
Um, no?
If you're physical weaker than them it'll just piss them off and they'll do it more often.
3/10, 1/10 if you're not trolling, because you clearly have no idea at all about being bullied by people who are physically stronger than you are.
there was a story where saavandra stabbed dylan ( bully ) 12 times... in the name of self defence
On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote: Just gunna leave this here
Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all.
Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please.
Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls?
How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important...
It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports.
The ONLY defense YOU, or anyone else on this board to defend the actions of these bullies, or the people that extorted or assaulted her, is by dragging her name in the mud. And comparing her to some other poor girl. THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE.
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A SMEAR CAMPAIGN.
What's next ? Are you going to explain to me that date rape doesn't count, if the girl is drunk and has a reputation for being a slut anyways? Or that if a black teenager is walking down the street with a hoodie, that is just cause for tracking and following that kid with a gun? That if a girl posts nude pictures of herself, she deserves to be harassed and bullied and followed where ever she goes?
And seriously, where's the mods?
You have no clue what your are talking about. All hes doing is pointing out a better perspective on the whole situation. There are many teen suicides due to bullying because of how the person looks but no one cares, at least not to this extent. Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Really... reallly... I want to tell you to kill yourself. Know why? Because unlike Amanda, who's only "crime" was to have a sexuality and try to survive with her pain by taking drugs, you're saying disgusting, heartless and sickening things about another person. How the fuck can you sit there and not realize that saying those things about another person who never hurt you is actually abhorrent and what you do with your own body is not?
@Defacer: Dude, I'm a teenager and I'm not dumb :/ otherwise, I've agreed with everything you've said.
Her crime is that shes a stupid slut. That is entirely her fault and she got bullied because of it. People that look bad can't help it, she can. She was a pathetic, weak human being.
What I wrote is sickening? Is that coming from someone that wants to tell people to kill themselves because of a forum post...
I didn't tell you to kill yourself. I said I wanted to tell you to kill yourself, because your calling dead depressed teen girls who never went out of their way to hurt anyone, dumb sluts who you're not sorry are dead. She deserves to be alive 1000 times more than you do, kid. "People call her a ho, and I hope to god that it's true; cos see a ho fuck everybody, and a slut fuck everybody but you". you're obviously just mad at her because you've never had pussy and you're jealous.
@Dhalism/HeatExtend: That's my experience too, but it's not always the case. I think girl bullies are more vindictive and cruel at that age though and would be more likely to continue to bully the one girl than simply pick an easier target like boys would.
On October 16 2012 00:21 Scholera wrote: She deserves to be alive 1000 times more than you do, kid.
This is getting pretty retarded. If you are getting so emotional over discussing a topic you should probably stop discussing it until you can view it from a certain distance and self-composure.
On October 15 2012 12:38 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote: To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face. You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
Um, no?
If you're physical weaker than them it'll just piss them off and they'll do it more often.
3/10, 1/10 if you're not trolling, because you clearly have no idea at all about being bullied by people who are physically stronger than you are.
1/10
Strength doesn't factor into the equation, you just sucker-punch the guy in the jaw/nose and it's all over the second it started.
Talking from experience.
For girls though.....ye I dunno...
this is 100% true. I was getting harassed and shit by a group of kids in high school much bigger than me on a daily basis. I finally broke my cool and dropped the "leader" with a single shot to the face. They never ever gave me a problem again.
thats pretty sad, i always wonder why people do stuff like that in the first place and secondly why there wasn't someone who could ve prevented it but thats probably easy to be said cuz when i think about it...if i wanna kill myself there is probably no one who could stop me..
Its probably hypocritical cuz when i think about others i always say "its sad" but when reflecting on myself...i dont care if i am alive or not and i dont get bullied etc
the video itself was kinda "i could cry" cuz that was pretty emotional, didnt watch it till the end cuz it was so sad knowing she actually did it
On October 15 2012 15:11 The_Frozen_Inferno wrote: long philosophical post.
I agree, if we have to assign blame it falls upon many different factors. I don't think assigning blame is very important on an arbitrary level. The thing is, I think the real question is what can we learn from what happened? What can we learn so Amanda's death, her compelling story, has some value to society? I really don't think there's no lessons to be learned.
That's kind of the problem. If no one's willing to take responsibility, at least partial responsibility, then no one has learned anything.
On October 16 2012 02:22 forestry wrote: They could stop selling webcams to those under 18...
Considering how many years of high school she had after the webcam incident, chances are she did not purchase the webcam by walking into the store and buying it. More likely, it was bought for her by her parents (or packaged with the computer they bought her for all I know)
On October 15 2012 12:38 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote: To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face. You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
Um, no?
If you're physical weaker than them it'll just piss them off and they'll do it more often.
3/10, 1/10 if you're not trolling, because you clearly have no idea at all about being bullied by people who are physically stronger than you are.
1/10
Strength doesn't factor into the equation, you just sucker-punch the guy in the jaw/nose and it's all over the second it started.
Talking from experience.
For girls though.....ye I dunno...
Of course strength does not factor if you can smack somebody off-guard on 1v1, have fun when he is with his group of 6+ buddies ready to intervene when they also know that nobody is going to do anything against them if they should. Your sole experience is not a fact and seem oblivious to those who are bullied experience psychological difficulties which contribute to a lack of self-confidence, subsequently making them unable from making that punch in the first place.
As a guy that went to elementary, middle, and high school in PoCo, this news is pretty shocking. Every year in school, there will be at least one spokesperson that would come and talk about bullying and suicides. In most cases, it would be the actual parents that have lost their child and speak through experience. Despite what people think, bullying is(was) quiet high in Canada due to multiculturalism. I had friends who were made fun of because their lunch wasn't a sandwich but sushi.
In my opinion, the main reason why this story in particular went viral is there is that the case itself isn't common. Most common cases of bulling that I have seen, heard, and experienced are sexuality, status, and race and culture in BC. Amanda Todd doesn't fit into any of these categories - she is middle class, white, and above average in appearance. Not only that, her case brings up multiple problems that people need to be aware about.
Amanda Todd
Internet - I have seen my own share of pornography on the internet during elementary and I don't fault Amanda and her friend going on webcam. However, times are changing and nowadays, Internet can be used for anything. It wasn't the same over a decade ago. There needs to be new standards for kids and the usage of Internet. Amanda was one of the unlucky ones where her identity was found out and resulted in stalking and blackmailing.
Parenting/School - This part is where I get fucking pissed. WHERE THE FUCK WERE THE PARENTS!?!? They found her in a ditch after getting beat up by kids and had to take her to the hospital after she tried to attempt suicide. Not including self-harm, there are red flags being raised everywhere and nothing was done. What was the school itself doing? Did they not talk to Amanda or the kids?
Kids -This is bit complicated. If I was part of the mob, and I am good friends with girlfriend of the guy that Amanda slept with, then I probably will be angry at Amanda. The girlfriend could have said anything to her group to get them pumped up and angry. It's her words against Amanda. With the kids already knowing that Amanda has nudes over the Internet and is labeled a "slut" the things the kids did to Amanda isn't out of the ordinary. Sad to say about my area but kids get beaten up all the time and in most cases the offenders get at most a 3 day suspension. Schools need to treat bullying as serious as cheating.
This is a huge wake up call for the school districts and both the school and the parents need to teach their kids about the usage of Internet and have proper care and protection for the kids.
I'm not sure others have noticed, but her story seems to have some big holes. For one, you can't use boobs as your profile picture on Facebook and certainly not those of a minor. Second, the reaction of the community is pretty strange. If some stranger tried to friend me on Facebook with a profile picture of boobs and told me they belonged to the new girl at my school, I'd be pretty freaked out to be honest. My reaction would only be more negative if this person did not go to my school and was significantly older.
Her parents are also bizarre caricatures of real people in this story. They care enough about her to move schools but not enough to confront the kids or their parents of the people who are bullying her or the dude who is torturing her on the internet. Why wouldn't they ever go to the police with this?
Anyways, some of you are also brutal to say this isn't a tragedy. A young person dying is always a tragedy because she had a tough time but she could go on to have a long and happy life.
This vid sums up my feelings around this topic. It's a 5 min rant.
TL;DR: Amanda Tod threw away her life like it was trash for absolutely no reason, and the moment she did it, it became thrash, and will be remembered as such.
this story doesn't deserve the attention that it is getting. She made mistakes, and then made poor choices on top of those mistakes. She also left out a lot of information in her video
On October 16 2012 05:40 coverpunch wrote: I'm not sure others have noticed, but her story seems to have some big holes. For one, you can't use boobs as your profile picture on Facebook and certainly not those of a minor. Second, the reaction of the community is pretty strange. If some stranger tried to friend me on Facebook with a profile picture of boobs and told me they belonged to the new girl at my school, I'd be pretty freaked out to be honest. My reaction would only be more negative if this person did not go to my school and was significantly older.
Her parents are also bizarre caricatures of real people in this story. They care enough about her to move schools but not enough to confront the kids or their parents of the people who are bullying her or the dude who is torturing her on the internet. Why wouldn't they ever go to the police with this?
Anyways, some of you are also brutal to say this isn't a tragedy. A young person dying is always a tragedy because she had a tough time but she could go on to have a long and happy life.
It's possible to make any picture your profile picture. It's only until the picture is reported to facebook staff and seen by them that it would be taken down.
The whole parents and police part is the only really big plothole to me that makes no real sense.
On October 16 2012 05:54 cloneThorN wrote: watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z_ZiRT8Nwkk
This vid sums up my feelings around this topic. It's a 5 min rant.
TL;DR: Amanda Tod threw away her life like it was trash for absolutely no reason, and the moment she did it, it became thrash, and will be remembered as such.
It's natural selection at work here.
I hope you're not older than 13 yourself, for everyones sake
Reading this thread makes me sad. While I remain somewhat neutral on the situation (she did so many things wrong, and while that could be expected from someone her age I personally feel that her parents or her teachers should have been able to notice something-at the very least her parents could have looked at what she was doing with her computer), I don't understand how anyone could possibly justify the decisions of her bullies.
On October 16 2012 12:57 1337n00b wrote: Reading this thread makes me sad. While I remain somewhat neutral on the situation (she did so many things wrong, and while that could be expected from someone her age I personally feel that her parents or her teachers should have been able to notice something-at the very least her parents could have looked at what she was doing with her computer), I don't understand how anyone could possibly justify the decisions of her bullies.
RIP
Unfortunately, many people grow up in this world to not be real human beings. One can be sympathetic without being empathetic and this courtesy seems to be lost among the adolescents and adolescent-minded adults. People like to victimize victims because it makes them feel superior that they didn't make the same sort of mistakes or get themselves into the same sort of situations.
On October 16 2012 12:57 1337n00b wrote: Reading this thread makes me sad. While I remain somewhat neutral on the situation (she did so many things wrong, and while that could be expected from someone her age I personally feel that her parents or her teachers should have been able to notice something-at the very least her parents could have looked at what she was doing with her computer), I don't understand how anyone could possibly justify the decisions of her bullies.
RIP
Unfortunately, many people grow up in this world to not be real human beings. One can be sympathetic without being empathetic and this courtesy seems to be lost among the adolescents and adolescent-minded adults. People like to victimize victims because it makes them feel superior that they didn't make the same sort of mistakes or get themselves into the same sort of situations.
What happened to the girl is a sad story and it should bring up many questions about harassment and the internet. However, you cannot say that the girl didn't put herself in some very poor situations.
That does not make it okay for anyone to act like they did at all. But to look at the situation objectively, you have to find that Amanda's poor decisions and actions played a very large part in this.
EDIT: Thanks to the guy below. In typing too fast, I left out the most important word....
On October 16 2012 12:57 1337n00b wrote: Reading this thread makes me sad. While I remain somewhat neutral on the situation (she did so many things wrong, and while that could be expected from someone her age I personally feel that her parents or her teachers should have been able to notice something-at the very least her parents could have looked at what she was doing with her computer), I don't understand how anyone could possibly justify the decisions of her bullies.
RIP
Unfortunately, many people grow up in this world to not be real human beings. One can be sympathetic without being empathetic and this courtesy seems to be lost among the adolescents and adolescent-minded adults. People like to victimize victims because it makes them feel superior that they didn't make the same sort of mistakes or get themselves into the same sort of situations.
What happened to the girl is a sad story and it should bring up many questions about harassment and the internet. However, you cannot say that the girl put herself in some very poor situations.
That does not make it okay for anyone to act like they did at all. But to look at the situation objectively, you have to find that Amanda's poor decisions and actions played a very large part in this.
I was commenting more on the general reaction of self-righteousness that people get when they hear stories like this. "Oh well, of course that happened to you, you made such poor decisions".
And don't you contradict yourself here? Unless you meant to type something else.
The videos on the guys youtube channel are really fucked up...
I'm generally pretty ambivalent on Anonymous actions but this is pretty awesome. No matter how much "fault" the girl had in her own situation, this guy deserves to pay.
Can't say as I really feel sorry for her, but that's just the way I am. I know if that I was in that situation I would not have given up so easily, but I was raised to be that way. Then again she made a lot of mistakes, but regardless -
It was her choice to die. I know that in the darkest parts, it can be difficult to go on. But she could have pressed onward. I know that sometimes it's hard. It doesn't feel like it's worth it. But the difference between life and death is that instead of succumbing to your burdens, you master them.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
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while this post is shit, there should be measures to be taken very soon to educate young children, like preschool/minor highschool level, about the internet. when you can't change something, and you won't be able to change the way people use their anonymity on the internet, you have to educate people about it, so they don't overreact. almost everyone has been subject to mobbing or other identity crisises at a young age, so teach young people about this and they will be prepared and you could save someone from doing stupid shit (killing themselves).
To me,. the worst part of this ISN'T THE FLASHING... it's human nature. IT ISN'T THE BULLYING... it's human nature.
The worst part of this to me is, if fucking sell outs didnt run the music industry and all the mainstream music was meaningless shit then maybe she would've been exposed to songs like this that helped me so much to cope myself. It's a sad reflection of society, and the fact is, it does matter to me that because our society is so shallow and it pushes this kind of stuff underground everywhere, it makes people who are thinking or feeling deeply become isolated with little ways to cope or people to relate to.
Public opinion is so hypocritical. If a story gained national news of a (what was she 14?) girl doing drugs, sleeping with random guys and hosting webcam shows the public outcry would be about how she is out of control and needs to be reigned in. They would ask where her parents are in this. But now that she killed herself she is a victim of bullying? She was just another attention seeking emo loser and should be given zero attention for all the stupidity she pulled off.
Thank god for you saying emo, it proves you're not an adult. Hopefully you'll have wisened up and gained some compassion before you have voting rights.
As someone that has been bullied I can't express how sad i feel for her I was lucky to have parents that stood up for me, I’m not sure what would have happened to me without them... Apparently Amanda wasn't that lucky (besides her bullying was on a whole new level *,*). People are awful cruel, and i think its safe to say that everyone who blames her for what has happened either didn't see the video or have a conscious to suppress (they are bully's themselves). Anyhow, I wish I could have been her friend :/
On October 14 2012 07:30 SoulSever wrote: To people who think suicide is selfish: Get off your religious high horse and think about how things in life actually affect people who don't have the mental fortitude to shake it off and try to be happy.
To people who say anything along the lines of "She deserved it": I sincerely hope you die alone knowing that no one loves you
Let me fix that for you. Has nothing to do with religion .
I'm not a biblical expert but suicide being a sin is definitely where people get the idea that it's shameful and selfish
Nope. Perhaps it's the way family and close ones are affected?
Also on this whole topic. Pretty sad that people commit suicide all the time. I think we have in sweden a law against writing about suicides just not to encourage them. GG media, keep spreading murderers and suiciders.
This is indeed very sad, and It goes to show how shameful youths are today. This didn't have to happen.
I hope this at least will serve to enlighten this generation that in real life you are not always given a second chance for the mistakes you make. You must always be conscious of your actions as one poor decision in a moment's lapse of judgement can have a profound impact for the rest of your life.
My heart goes out to this girl and her family, and my pity goes out to her bullies.
Although this a fundamentally impossibly exercise, I wonder what the responses would have been like if the situation had involved the opposite genders, ie. if Amanda had been a boy. I understand that statistically the suicide rate for teenage boys is far higher than that of girls, but I also suspect that there would be far less victim blaming.
Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
On October 16 2012 17:09 Roage wrote: Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly.
Teen suicide/bullying has been an extreme issue in our society for quiet some time now and it's about time that some major publicity and attention is being drawn to it. Are people band wagoning, Yes they most certainly are, however they are for once getting their pitchforks and hopping aboard an actual legitimate and pressing issue that needs to be examined.
I can't understand nor comprehend why you think that individuals sympathizing with a suicide victim is a bad, caring that a young and mostly innocent girl has died because of the actions of her fellow peers seems almost perfectly rational considering almost everyone if not everyone has experienced bullying at some point in their lives. Even if many people are just supporting this because its the next "kony" it doesn't draw away from the fact that it's for a good cause.
In all honesty Amanda Todd when contrasted to other victims is no different in many ways. This publicity surrounding her is by no means bad no matter what way you look at it despite the fact that their have been many similar cases. Focus on the positive and realize that at least we can make some good out of what has happened to this young women rather than call everyone out on "band wagoning".
Of course she made mistakes, but I can ensure that almost every other girl given her same circumstances would of made the same if not worse judgments. try to examine someone elses situation from their perspective and not just your own, suffering is suffering no matter how it may compare and contrast to another individuals pain.
Perhaps you should broaden your own horizon and show some god damn compassion towards not only Amanda Todd but the millions of other victims being harassed on a daily basis.
TLDR: It's not about Amanda Todd as an individual victim, it's about sending a message (However showing sadness for her is by no means wrong in any way)
On October 16 2012 17:09 Roage wrote: Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly.
Teen suicide/bullying has been an extreme issue in our society for quiet some time now and it's about time that some major publicity and attention is being drawn to it. Are people band wagoning, Yes they most certainly are, however they are for once getting their pitchforks and hopping aboard an actual legitimate and pressing issue that needs to be examined.
I can't understand nor comprehend why you think that individuals sympathizing with a suicide victim is a bad, caring that a young and mostly innocent girl has died because of the actions of her fellow peers seems almost perfectly rational considering almost everyone if not everyone has experienced bullying at some point in their lives. Even if many people are just supporting this because its the next "kony" it doesn't draw away from the fact that it's for a good cause.
In all honesty Amanda Todd when contrasted to other victims is no different in many ways. This publicity surrounding her is by no means bad no matter what way you look at it despite the fact that their have been many similar cases. Focus on the positive and realize that at least we can make some good out of what has happened to this young women rather than call everyone out on "band wagoning".
Of course she made mistakes, but I can ensure that almost every other girl given her same circumstances would of made the same if not worse judgments. try to examine someone elses situation from their perspective and not just your own, suffering is suffering no matter how it may compare and contrast to another individuals pain.
Perhaps you should broaden your own horizon and show some god damn compassion towards not only Amanda Todd but the millions of other victims being harassed on a daily basis.
TLDR: It's not about Amanda Todd as an individual victim, it's about sending a message (However showing sadness for her is by no means wrong in any way)
On October 16 2012 17:09 Roage wrote: Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly.
Translation: "I wouldn't have listened because I'm a bit of a bastard"
Stop projecting, it only bothers you because you feel guilty when you see it about knowing you wouldn't do anything.
On October 14 2012 07:30 SoulSever wrote: To people who think suicide is selfish: Get off your religious high horse and think about how things in life actually affect people who don't have the mental fortitude to shake it off and try to be happy.
To people who say anything along the lines of "She deserved it": I sincerely hope you die alone knowing that no one loves you
Let me fix that for you. Has nothing to do with religion .
I'm not a biblical expert but suicide being a sin is definitely where people get the idea that it's shameful and selfish
Nope. Perhaps it's the way family and close ones are affected?
Also on this whole topic. Pretty sad that people commit suicide all the time. I think we have in sweden a law against writing about suicides just not to encourage them. GG media, keep spreading murderers and suiciders.
Yeah, because not talking about things makes them go away. If that law does exist and you think it helps, then whoever wrote that law is a blithering idiot.
On October 16 2012 17:09 Roage wrote: Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly.
Translation: "I wouldn't have listened because I'm a bit of a bastard"
Stop projecting, it only bothers you because you feel guilty when you see it about knowing you wouldn't do anything.
I'm the kind of person that you can call any time of day or night. If I hear my phone I'll pick up (or at least call back if I don't). I will listen to your problems, I will try to help you. Hell, if you're a good friend call me during the week at 3am. I'll come drinking with you, if you just got your heart broken.
Nonetheless, this story is only mildly jimmy rustling. Yes, it's sad, but really a lot of sad things happen. If you want to make a difference, go help doctors without borders. You'll do a hell of a lot more good there. But you're too fucking lazy, aren't you? Yeah, so am I. So I've decided I'd just try to keep my little tiny corner of the world safe. It's all I can and am willing to do. I won't go crying because some chick 5000miles from me commited suicide, when there's thousands of children every day dying of starvation, disease and lack of water within the same radius. And these children did considerably less to deserve their fate than amanda todd did (No, I still don't think she did. I'm just showing you your hypocrisy)
On October 14 2012 07:30 SoulSever wrote: To people who think suicide is selfish: Get off your religious high horse and think about how things in life actually affect people who don't have the mental fortitude to shake it off and try to be happy.
To people who say anything along the lines of "She deserved it": I sincerely hope you die alone knowing that no one loves you
Let me fix that for you. Has nothing to do with religion .
I'm not a biblical expert but suicide being a sin is definitely where people get the idea that it's shameful and selfish
Nope. Perhaps it's the way family and close ones are affected?
Also on this whole topic. Pretty sad that people commit suicide all the time. I think we have in sweden a law against writing about suicides just not to encourage them. GG media, keep spreading murderers and suiciders.
Yeah, because not talking about things makes them go away. If that law does exist and you think it helps, then whoever wrote that law is a blithering idiot.
On October 16 2012 17:09 Roage wrote: Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly.
Translation: "I wouldn't have listened because I'm a bit of a bastard"
Stop projecting, it only bothers you because you feel guilty when you see it about knowing you wouldn't do anything.
I'm the kind of person that you can call any time of day or night. If I hear my phone I'll pick up (or at least call back if I don't). I will listen to your problems, I will try to help you. Hell, if you're a good friend call me during the week at 3am. I'll come drinking with you, if you just got your heart broken.
Nonetheless, this story is only mildly jimmy rustling. Yes, it's sad, but really a lot of sad things happen. If you want to make a difference, go help doctors without borders. You'll do a hell of a lot more good there. But you're too fucking lazy, aren't you? Yeah, so am I. So I've decided I'd just try to keep my little tiny corner of the world safe. It's all I can and am willing to do. I won't go crying because some chick 5000miles from me commited suicide, when there's thousands of children every day dying of starvation, disease and lack of water within the same radius. And these children did considerably less to deserve their fate than amanda todd did (No, I still don't think she did. I'm just showing you your hypocrisy)
If you care so little about it, what made you post in this thread? People want to bring issues to the masses. So they write about it. People who feel affected can respond and share their opinions. If you don't like it don't read it. There is absolutely no point in telling the people that do care that they should stop caring about it.
You won't go crying about something that happened to far from your bed, but you will cry about other ppl crying about it? Makes no sense to me.
I don't have any hypocrisy there, Zoesan, that's stupid. I wasn't telling everyone to cry about it, if you didn't notice I wasn't talking about you. I was talking to people who belittle the that specific tragedy.... I'd say the same thing if someone was hypothetically saying "Stupid starving african people probably showed their tits they deserve it"
The fact of the matter is that teen suicide happens far more than just this isolated case. I agree that what happened was tragic and should not have happened, but we shouldn't be using Amanda's actions as a blanket for all teen suicides. Teen suicide rates are extremely high and it seems like there is little effort being put forth by the adults, the parents, the teachers, and even their classmates to help calm this. Teens today are exposed to far more "real life" situations today than they were years before. Bullying is far easier to get away with the with the anonymity of the Internet and our obsession with being online.
I wouldn't try to dig deep into this specific case as an example of teen suicide. I would rather more preventative actions be taken for those that are thinking of committing suicide tomorrow, rather than bickering about the semantics of one that has already passed. Simply posting "RIP Amanda" and liking her Facebook memorial page will not subdue any future bullying and is just a scapegoat for every teen suicide. If you are really against this kind of action and really do want to help, then take some time out of your day and volunteer, donate to anti-bullying campaigns, or reach out to teenagers as a mentor.
ignoring this and telling people to work in another place where it doesnt bother you, is like ignoring problems our and every civilization got. From the beginning of humanity till presence.
Its not just that the "adult" world is a hostile environment, it simply means that society is hostile and everyone is just getting used to it and pretend thats okay instead of changing how people live together.
Those who cant adjust, give up. And those who did never acknowledge that fact, because they pretend their hostile and aggressive behaviour to be normal on everyone.
On October 17 2012 02:20 Cillas wrote: ignoring this and telling people to work in another place where it doesnt bother you, is like ignoring problems our and every civilization got. From the beginning of humanity till presence.
Its not just that the "adult" world is a hostile environment, it simply means that society is hostile and everyone is just getting used to it and pretend thats okay instead of changing how people live together.
Those who cant adjust, give up. And those who did never acknowledge that fact, because they pretend their hostile and aggressive behaviour to be normal on everyone.
I love you. This is perfectly and absolutely true, my friend.
On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish.
Fuck you. The type of people who would say shit like that are people who have never been that far down the hole in depression. Suicide is never the answer, but condemning the victims of suicide is pretty fucking cold and assholish.
OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
On October 16 2012 17:09 Roage wrote: Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly.
Translation: "I wouldn't have listened because I'm a bit of a bastard"
Stop projecting, it only bothers you because you feel guilty when you see it about knowing you wouldn't do anything.
i assume you will be spending all your free time manning the phones on suicide hotlines and for groups like Samaritans then? because as far as i can see you arent doing anything either. shit sucks for this girl and her family and friends but come on, 99% of people saying about how they would of helped have the opportunity to help others right now, today, instead of pining over who they failed to help. but they arent going out there and helping people who need it, they are being keyboard white knights instead.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
"Kids will be kids" as a justification or tangential defense of bullying is stupid, plain and simple. Not that I am at all in favor of /btards hunting down this kid, but using "have you seen Mean Girls" as an appeal to reason ought to speak for itself in terms of argumentative utility.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
"Kids will be kids" as a justification or tangential defense of bullying is stupid, plain and simple. Not that I am at all in favor of /btards hunting down this kid, but using "have you seen Mean Girls" as an appeal to reason ought to speak for itself in terms of argumentative utility.
oh please, it's not like it's just kids. this shit happens everywhere, all the time. bullying is a part of the human condition and it's integral to human development. and yes, mean girls is a good movie to show this.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
"Kids will be kids" as a justification or tangential defense of bullying is stupid, plain and simple. Not that I am at all in favor of /btards hunting down this kid, but using "have you seen Mean Girls" as an appeal to reason ought to speak for itself in terms of argumentative utility.
oh please, it's not like it's just kids. this shit happens everywhere, all the time. bullying is a part of the human condition and it's integral to human development. and yes, mean girls is a good movie to show this.
Whether or not bullying is a part of the "human condition" is not really relevant to the topic of whether or not we ought to address the issue itself. By virtue of the scope of human history, practically every conceivable atrocity is part of the "human condition", and yet that does not stopper efforts to fight prejudice, hunger, terror, or merely suffering. If a simple showing of solidarity in the face of bullying is all it takes to stop even one child from committing suicide, than such a showing is well worth the effort.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Are you for real? 30-year old men hunting down the name/address/phone #/school of 13-year old girls and threatening them is a normal thing, and the police shouldn't get involved with it? He's just like 75% of people on the internet? How fucking stupid can you be?
" ignoring this and telling people to work in another place where it doesnt bother you, is like ignoring problems our and every civilization got. From the beginning of humanity till presence.
Its not just that the "adult" world is a hostile environment, it simply means that society is hostile and everyone is just getting used to it and pretend thats okay instead of changing how people live together.
Those who cant adjust, give up. And those who did never acknowledge that fact, because they pretend their hostile and aggressive behaviour to be normal on everyone"
I'd like to reiterate this. It's a deep societal problem.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Are you for real? 30-year old men hunting down the name/address/phone #/school of 13-year old girls and threatening them is a normal thing, and the police shouldn't get involved with it? He's just like 75% of people on the internet? How fucking stupid can you be?
it happens literally every day... and the police have the capacity to stop it, yet they don't.. there are so many incidences of this that i can hardly count all of them
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
"Kids will be kids" as a justification or tangential defense of bullying is stupid, plain and simple. Not that I am at all in favor of /btards hunting down this kid, but using "have you seen Mean Girls" as an appeal to reason ought to speak for itself in terms of argumentative utility.
oh please, it's not like it's just kids. this shit happens everywhere, all the time. bullying is a part of the human condition and it's integral to human development. and yes, mean girls is a good movie to show this.
Whether or not bullying is a part of the "human condition" is not really relevant to the topic of whether or not we ought to address the issue itself. By virtue of the scope of human history, practically every conceivable atrocity is part of the "human condition", and yet that does not stopper efforts to fight prejudice, hunger, terror, or merely suffering. If a simple showing of solidarity in the face of bullying is all it takes to stop even one child from committing suicide, than such a showing is well worth the effort.
i'm not saying she didn't deserve compassion, she did.. like i said earlier in the thread she was from the internet, the internet should be sad that we lost an awesome person and we should rethink our methods.. but it's stupid to be vindictive against bullying.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Are you for real? 30-year old men hunting down the name/address/phone #/school of 13-year old girls and threatening them is a normal thing, and the police shouldn't get involved with it? He's just like 75% of people on the internet? How fucking stupid can you be?
DEAR GOD HE WAS THAT OLD? I thought he was another teenager!!!! -reeling in shock- This just got a whole lot more serious...
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Are you for real? 30-year old men hunting down the name/address/phone #/school of 13-year old girls and threatening them is a normal thing, and the police shouldn't get involved with it? He's just like 75% of people on the internet? How fucking stupid can you be?
it happens literally every day... and the police have the capacity to stop it, yet they don't.. there are so many incidences of this that i can hardly count all of them
"Targeted stalking and sexual exploitation of minors is commonplace, therefore we shouldn't punish those who do it." Classic reasoning right there. Also, how do you have a pen next to your name with atrocious spelling and sentence structure like that?
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Are you for real? 30-year old men hunting down the name/address/phone #/school of 13-year old girls and threatening them is a normal thing, and the police shouldn't get involved with it? He's just like 75% of people on the internet? How fucking stupid can you be?
it happens literally every day... and the police have the capacity to stop it, yet they don't.. there are so many incidences of this that i can hardly count all of them
"Targeted stalking and sexual exploitation of minors is commonplace, therefore we shouldn't punish those who do it." Classic reasoning right there. Also, how do you have a pen next to your name with atrocious spelling and sentence structure like that?
oh gosh the ad hominems are really starting to break me down, stop bullying me or i'll get annonomous to hunt you and post contact info! i'm saying it's hypocritical for the internet to want to kill this one guy when there are many others that they could care less about, a lot of sites embrace pedophiles and creepers like this guy.. not everywhere is as well moderated as team liquid
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Are you for real? 30-year old men hunting down the name/address/phone #/school of 13-year old girls and threatening them is a normal thing, and the police shouldn't get involved with it? He's just like 75% of people on the internet? How fucking stupid can you be?
it happens literally every day... and the police have the capacity to stop it, yet they don't.. there are so many incidences of this that i can hardly count all of them
"Targeted stalking and sexual exploitation of minors is commonplace, therefore we shouldn't punish those who do it." Classic reasoning right there. Also, how do you have a pen next to your name with atrocious spelling and sentence structure like that?
I think you're twisting his words a bit there, he's not saying that this should go unpunished; but rather it's the police's fault for not stopping this kind of stuff from happening before someone dies. In my two cents it was her fault for not seeking any help and being foolish enough to do what she did in the first place, but none the less this is tragic and it should of never happened.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Are you for real? 30-year old men hunting down the name/address/phone #/school of 13-year old girls and threatening them is a normal thing, and the police shouldn't get involved with it? He's just like 75% of people on the internet? How fucking stupid can you be?
it happens literally every day... and the police have the capacity to stop it, yet they don't.. there are so many incidences of this that i can hardly count all of them
"Targeted stalking and sexual exploitation of minors is commonplace, therefore we shouldn't punish those who do it." Classic reasoning right there. Also, how do you have a pen next to your name with atrocious spelling and sentence structure like that?
oh gosh the ad hominems are really starting to break me down, stop bullying me or i'll get annonomous to hunt you and post contact info! i'm saying it's hypocritical for the internet to want to kill this one guy when there are many others that they could care less about, a lot of sites embrace pedophiles and creepers like this guy.. not everywhere is as well moderated as team liquid
If Anonymous (that's how it's spelled btw) released the contact details of any known pedophile/stalker, he would face similar repercussions. There are many similar well-publicized cases of vigilante justice being carried out. It's idiotic to say that we should give this guy a break just because so many people get away with horrible things.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Are you for real? 30-year old men hunting down the name/address/phone #/school of 13-year old girls and threatening them is a normal thing, and the police shouldn't get involved with it? He's just like 75% of people on the internet? How fucking stupid can you be?
it happens literally every day... and the police have the capacity to stop it, yet they don't.. there are so many incidences of this that i can hardly count all of them
"Targeted stalking and sexual exploitation of minors is commonplace, therefore we shouldn't punish those who do it." Classic reasoning right there. Also, how do you have a pen next to your name with atrocious spelling and sentence structure like that?
I think you're twisting his words a bit there, he's not saying that this should go unpunished; but rather it's the police's fault for not stopping this kind of stuff from happening before someone dies. In my two cents it was her fault for not seeking any help and being foolish enough to do what she did in the first place, but none the less this is tragic and it should of never happened.
His actual words were "This guy is the same as 75% of people on the internet". It's difficult to make sense of sentiments like that, so sorry if I misunderstood.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Are you for real? 30-year old men hunting down the name/address/phone #/school of 13-year old girls and threatening them is a normal thing, and the police shouldn't get involved with it? He's just like 75% of people on the internet? How fucking stupid can you be?
it happens literally every day... and the police have the capacity to stop it, yet they don't.. there are so many incidences of this that i can hardly count all of them
"Targeted stalking and sexual exploitation of minors is commonplace, therefore we shouldn't punish those who do it." Classic reasoning right there. Also, how do you have a pen next to your name with atrocious spelling and sentence structure like that?
oh gosh the ad hominems are really starting to break me down, stop bullying me or i'll get annonomous to hunt you and post contact info! i'm saying it's hypocritical for the internet to want to kill this one guy when there are many others that they could care less about, a lot of sites embrace pedophiles and creepers like this guy.. not everywhere is as well moderated as team liquid
If Anonymous (that's how it's spelled btw) released the contact details of any known pedophile/stalker, he would face similar repercussions. There are many similar well-publicized cases of vigilante justice being carried out. It's idiotic to say that we should give this guy a break just because so many people get away with horrible things.
yeah, i mean fuck kony right. that guy sucks. i really care about uganda, save the ugandans! ring a bell? so this guy dies because anonomous kills him, what happens then? absolutely nothing, the internet goes back to the way it was before. yay viligantes, they're sooo super duper effective.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Are you for real? 30-year old men hunting down the name/address/phone #/school of 13-year old girls and threatening them is a normal thing, and the police shouldn't get involved with it? He's just like 75% of people on the internet? How fucking stupid can you be?
it happens literally every day... and the police have the capacity to stop it, yet they don't.. there are so many incidences of this that i can hardly count all of them
"Targeted stalking and sexual exploitation of minors is commonplace, therefore we shouldn't punish those who do it." Classic reasoning right there. Also, how do you have a pen next to your name with atrocious spelling and sentence structure like that?
oh gosh the ad hominems are really starting to break me down, stop bullying me or i'll get annonomous to hunt you and post contact info! i'm saying it's hypocritical for the internet to want to kill this one guy when there are many others that they could care less about, a lot of sites embrace pedophiles and creepers like this guy.. not everywhere is as well moderated as team liquid
If Anonymous (that's how it's spelled btw) released the contact details of any known pedophile/stalker, he would face similar repercussions. There are many similar well-publicized cases of vigilante justice being carried out. It's idiotic to say that we should give this guy a break just because so many people get away with horrible things.
yeah, i mean fuck kony right. that guy sucks. i really care about uganda, save the ugandans! ring a bell? so this guy dies because anonomous kills him, what happens then? absolutely nothing, the internet goes back to the way it was before. yay viligantes, they're sooo super duper effective.
And there will be one less lunatic to exploit teen girls. How is this a bad thing? I am trying to understand what would cause you to come out on a forum like this and defend such a person, saying that you think he shouldn't be punished. I guess you're just trolling?
On October 17 2012 02:58 dubRa wrote: Sad. I can't imagine anyone living in a good family committing suicide.Where were her parents? Are they in jail yet?
Usually when you are about to kill yourself you don't speak about it, except in messages that are usually discovered after it's done. And people can be very good at hiding it and pretending everything is fine on the outside. It's not beaucse you are wealthy that you are happy ( see heiress of Samsung)
The thing that bothers me the absolute most about Amanda Todd. In 3 months, no one will give a shit. It's Kony all over again. Right now it's just a frenzy for social media trend-whores to milk that "feel-good" feeling by pretending they're actually making a difference in the world without actually doing anything.
On October 17 2012 02:58 dubRa wrote: Sad. I can't imagine anyone living in a good family committing suicide.Where were her parents? Are they in jail yet?
Usually when you are about to kill yourself you don't speak about it, except in messages that are usually discovered after it's done. And people can be very good at hiding it and pretending everything is fine on the outside. It's not beaucse you are wealthy that you are happy ( see heiress of Samsung)
Yes I know most teenagers want to hide these things from their parents. But what Amanda said (wrote on the cards) in that video was that she had problems for several years. She was harassed on facebook. I think that responsible parents should check their children's facebook. She also said that she lost her friends, couldn't go outside, was depressed etc. Was she that good in hiding all this from her parents? Or they didn't give a shit?
On October 17 2012 02:58 dubRa wrote: Sad. I can't imagine anyone living in a good family committing suicide.Where were her parents? Are they in jail yet?
Usually when you are about to kill yourself you don't speak about it, except in messages that are usually discovered after it's done. And people can be very good at hiding it and pretending everything is fine on the outside. It's not beaucse you are wealthy that you are happy ( see heiress of Samsung)
Yes I know most teenagers want to hide these things from their parents. But what Amanda said (wrote on the cards) in that video was that she had problems for several years. She was harassed on facebook. I think that responsible parents should check their children's facebook. She also said that she lost her friends, couldn't go outside, was depressed etc. Was she that good in hiding all this from her parents? Or they didn't give a shit?
did you guys not watch the video? Her parents knew and where actively seeking help. She was seeing therapists and getting counselling. I mean shit her dad found her just lying in a ditch depressed after she was beaten up by that girl and she later tried to drink bleach. Also " As a teacher in the Coquitlam school district and a specialist in assistive technologies, Carol is comfortable around computers and knows well the dangers the online world can hold. Still, she wasn't able to protect her child." Thats a news article describing her mother.
I obviously think the parents could have done more , but usually suicides come as a huge surprise it seems like amanda's pattern was that she tried to commit suicide before when the worst things where happening to her, but her succesful attempt seems like it was planned long in advance. Ive heard of people having this sort of blissfulness after planning their suicide and just waiting for the day, and then it ends up coming as a huge surprise to the people around them when they do it saying things like "she seemed like she was doing better, etc". Im not sure if that was the case here but im sure she would have been kept under close watch if she was thought to be imminently suicidal.
As for this kody pervert, regardless if he was the main perpetrator in amanda todds suicide i hope they catch him, as at the very least he was distributing child porn of this girl and bragging about exploiting and blackmailing young girls on a message board, and at worst he was the main cause of her suicide and years of torment. Regardless they should lock him up and throw away the key.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Are you for real? 30-year old men hunting down the name/address/phone #/school of 13-year old girls and threatening them is a normal thing, and the police shouldn't get involved with it? He's just like 75% of people on the internet? How fucking stupid can you be?
it happens literally every day... and the police have the capacity to stop it, yet they don't.. there are so many incidences of this that i can hardly count all of them
"Targeted stalking and sexual exploitation of minors is commonplace, therefore we shouldn't punish those who do it." Classic reasoning right there. Also, how do you have a pen next to your name with atrocious spelling and sentence structure like that?
oh gosh the ad hominems are really starting to break me down, stop bullying me or i'll get annonomous to hunt you and post contact info! i'm saying it's hypocritical for the internet to want to kill this one guy when there are many others that they could care less about, a lot of sites embrace pedophiles and creepers like this guy.. not everywhere is as well moderated as team liquid
If Anonymous (that's how it's spelled btw) released the contact details of any known pedophile/stalker, he would face similar repercussions. There are many similar well-publicized cases of vigilante justice being carried out. It's idiotic to say that we should give this guy a break just because so many people get away with horrible things.
yeah, i mean fuck kony right. that guy sucks. i really care about uganda, save the ugandans! ring a bell? so this guy dies because anonomous kills him, what happens then? absolutely nothing, the internet goes back to the way it was before. yay viligantes, they're sooo super duper effective.
And there will be one less lunatic to exploit teen girls. How is this a bad thing? I am trying to understand what would cause you to come out on a forum like this and defend such a person, saying that you think he shouldn't be punished. I guess you're just trolling?
He's not saying that we shouldn't punish the guy stop being so emotional.
What he is saying is that it pathetic how everyone gets a hard on for something like this and then they persecute the guy but nothing ever changes. The police are way too slow at stopping the people doing this and people don't care until an attractive white girl dies and then every one jumps on the bandwagon for 15 minutes and forgets about it next week.
Look at Kony there was a huge surge in people caring about the issues in Africa and a week later everyone was back to not giving a fuck.
I don't have a clue what he meant by her suicide was beautiful though o.o
Wow, this is a sad story. Bullying is tremendous issue in american culture, but fortunately it is less common in other parts of the world. Still, people have to understand that you can move on, life continues, and suicide is never an option.
I love the rise against song, but I think that it is specifically written towards children bullied for being gay
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Oh fucking Christ. Another one of these nonsense "you're all hypocritical" spouters. If you're honestly insinuating that acts of 30 year old men preying on 15 year old teenage girls, blackmailing, stalking, bullying, and threatening them over extended periods of time is commonplace, then you're either delusional or the public to this point has been unaware of such. And if the public has been unaware of how commonplace this is, then this is why there's a public outcry in the first place.
Same as 75% of the people who spend any time on the Internet? You're fucking insane. You're honestly saying 75% of the fucking Internet base blackmail random people, distribute child pornography, contact the victims friends and families, and constantly engage in stalking and cyberbullying? How the hell are you even a writer for TL.net? You can't even spell Anonymous.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Oh fucking Christ. Another one of these nonsense "you're all hypocritical" spouters. If you're honestly insinuating that acts of 30 year old men preying on 15 year old teenage girls, blackmailing, stalking, bullying, and threatening them over extended periods of time is commonplace, then you're either delusional or the public to this point has been unaware of such. And if the public has been unaware of how commonplace this is, then this is why there's a public outcry in the first place.
Same as 75% of the people who spend any time on the Internet? You're fucking insane. You're honestly saying 75% of the fucking Internet base blackmail random people, distribute child pornography, contact the victims friends and families, and constantly engage in stalking and cyberbullying? How the hell are you even a writer for TL.net? You can't even spell Anonymous.
My posts in general obviously don't reflect the ideals of TL's staff members nor do I attempt to try to give the illusion that they do. Say what you will about my beliefs regarding the status of 75% of the internet, but please refrain from logical fallacies in the form of attacking my spelling or grammar. Pardon me for spelling "anonymous" incorrectly, it's a viligante organization that I don't frequent and I thought they spelled their name like that to be edgy. If you don't agree with me than that's fine, but personally attacking me for it isn't conducive to productive discussion on the matter.
examples of fallacies in your post. 1. "you're either delusional " 2. "You're fucking insane" 3. "How the hell are you even a writer for TL.net" 4. "You can't even spell Anonymous"
Again, sorry for my bad capitalization, spelling, and grammar. If it's really detracting from my arguement I'll gladly adjust my previous posts so that you can properly interpret my arguements without being misled by misplaced commas. Thanks for understanding!
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Oh fucking Christ. Another one of these nonsense "you're all hypocritical" spouters. If you're honestly insinuating that acts of 30 year old men preying on 15 year old teenage girls, blackmailing, stalking, bullying, and threatening them over extended periods of time is commonplace, then you're either delusional or the public to this point has been unaware of such. And if the public has been unaware of how commonplace this is, then this is why there's a public outcry in the first place.
Same as 75% of the people who spend any time on the Internet? You're fucking insane. You're honestly saying 75% of the fucking Internet base blackmail random people, distribute child pornography, contact the victims friends and families, and constantly engage in stalking and cyberbullying? How the hell are you even a writer for TL.net? You can't even spell Anonymous.
What exactly do you mean her suicide was "beautiful"?
On October 17 2012 04:27 Psi0nic wrote: Wow, this is a sad story. Bullying is tremendous issue in american culture, but fortunately it is less common in other parts of the world. Still, people have to understand that you can move on, life continues, and suicide is never an option.
I love the rise against song, but I think that it is specifically written towards children bullied for being gay
But this was in Canada....Bullying is not so much of a problem when i went to high school 3 years ago. I did see people get bullied its not like it doesn't happen but i am inclined to believe it also happens in Europe. Americans get the rap because of the "American Football Player Jock". But i think that was more of the late 1980's and early 90's.
Bullying was taken very seriously where i went to high school and people would get suspensions and sometimes police interventions.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Oh fucking Christ. Another one of these nonsense "you're all hypocritical" spouters. If you're honestly insinuating that acts of 30 year old men preying on 15 year old teenage girls, blackmailing, stalking, bullying, and threatening them over extended periods of time is commonplace, then you're either delusional or the public to this point has been unaware of such. And if the public has been unaware of how commonplace this is, then this is why there's a public outcry in the first place.
Same as 75% of the people who spend any time on the Internet? You're fucking insane. You're honestly saying 75% of the fucking Internet base blackmail random people, distribute child pornography, contact the victims friends and families, and constantly engage in stalking and cyberbullying? How the hell are you even a writer for TL.net? You can't even spell Anonymous.
My posts in general obviously don't reflect the ideals of TL's staff members nor do I attempt to try to give the illusion that they do. Say what you will about my beliefs regarding the status of 75% of the internet, but please refrain from logical fallacies in the form of attacking my spelling or grammar. Pardon me for spelling "anonymous" incorrectly, it's a viligante organization that I don't frequent and I thought they spelled their name like that to be edgy. If you don't agree with me than that's fine, but personally attacking me for it isn't conducive to productive discussion on the matter.
examples of fallacies in your post. 1. "you're either delusional " 2. "You're fucking insane" 3. "How the hell are you even a writer for TL.net" 4. "You can't even spell Anonymous"
Again, sorry for my bad capitalization, spelling, and grammar. If it's really detracting from my arguement I'll gladly adjust my previous posts so that you can properly interpret my arguements without being misled by misplaced commas. Thanks for understanding!
Those aren't logical fallacies. Yes they are attacks, no they aren't logical fallacies. Wholly irrelevant. And yes the attacks were intentional, I think you're insanely delusional if you believe 75% of Internet users are in the market of stalking, blackmailing, threatening, distributing child porn, and going to lengths to even contact family members. Completely intentional, solely do the extremity of your assumptions. If you picked a less exaggerated number, like say 5%, it might not have warranted such a response. But your claims are simply wrong.
A national child exploitation group, cybertip.ca, says it received a tip almost a year ago about Todd.
A concerned citizen contacted the organization last November to report that images of Todd were being circulated online, said spokeswoman Signy Arnason.
"We did receive one report, and that was passed along to law enforcement as well as child welfare," Arnason said Monday. "It was not a report from her, but it was a report from a concerned citizen."
Is what annoys me the most, i know lots of bullying is happening around the world ALL THE TIME, but when organisations which are there to PROTECT THE VICTIMS from their attacks and attackers are failing after a year of being informed, it is just beyond a joke.
One person started this, the original man who sexually exploited her, yet the police never looked to get involved that way? Why not? Is there some law on not being able to chase people like this, who just bully on the internet? Did they think the guy was only a young teen himself?
First thing i thought any law enforcement authoritie would try to do, is trace it back to the original poster of the pictures and facebook page, but it does not even look like this was attempted until after she had finally killed herself.
I blame Child Welfare and the Authorities for another bully victim dieing.
On October 13 2012 04:09 killa_robot wrote: Interesting they didn't mention 4chan at all.
If I'm not mistaken, I recall others saying their was a thread involving said girl the other day.
Though it could have just been them discussing the video I suppose.
The thread was commenting on how they found it ridiculous this girl gets so much news coverage when soldiers dying for their countries don't.
I can't imagine why there would be as much coverage for soldiers dying for their countries, but I'd be open to hear it... .
Obviously from a media point of view, this little girl will have higher ratings than reporting another death at war. Here in England a soldier's death is a much larger deal (less deaths than America) so they tend to get more coverage. I'm not criticising the media for their choices because I'm sure I would make the same ones however it does seem sad that some deaths seem more important than others.
(Oh and by the way, suicide is never the answer to bullying, ever.)
It is human nature to feel superior over others. This trait has led to the worst episodes in human history, but it also casts a shadow in each of our personal lifes. Everyone of us has bullied someone somwhere to some degree if you think back, or you stood by while someone was bullied, even thou you might have stood up against some bully helping the victim you will remember times where you were the perpetraiter or stood by doing nothing. It is this trait that we have to combat and we have to stay vigilant about it. We think to be superiour then groups of people or single people. It seems to be a drive, a need in human nature to acquire some sense of superiority even if it means to make someone inferior. Humans want power and they want control and if they dont get it they abuse someone to get power over him/her. The victims are dehumanised no one thinks about their feelings, they are just a let out for their needs of control and power. The shame and vunerability of others give us power and we humans exploit that and even when something like this happens we begin to search for answers at the victims, why didnt the victim call for help ? Was the victim so weak ? The true fault is a part of human nature and over failure to control or supress it.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Oh fucking Christ. Another one of these nonsense "you're all hypocritical" spouters. If you're honestly insinuating that acts of 30 year old men preying on 15 year old teenage girls, blackmailing, stalking, bullying, and threatening them over extended periods of time is commonplace, then you're either delusional or the public to this point has been unaware of such. And if the public has been unaware of how commonplace this is, then this is why there's a public outcry in the first place.
Same as 75% of the people who spend any time on the Internet? You're fucking insane. You're honestly saying 75% of the fucking Internet base blackmail random people, distribute child pornography, contact the victims friends and families, and constantly engage in stalking and cyberbullying? How the hell are you even a writer for TL.net? You can't even spell Anonymous.
Agree 100%. That is one of your writers TL? Really?
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull.
And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull.
And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene.
Feel free to post in Website Feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts.
In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
edit ~ correction of website feedback and I added the URL
On October 17 2012 06:25 Endymion wrote: In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
This is the most twisted understanding of suicide, beauty, and "free speech" I have ever seen. For your sake (and the world's), I hope you are making some subtle joke that is flying by my head.
In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
this is so deeply ironic and misbegotten that I do not even know where to start:
- an exercise in free will only goes so far as what the actor and the greater society gains from it, if anything. this girl could have continued to persevere against the actions of her classmates and it would have been a true celebration of free will and the ability to escape your miserable circumstance in the sort of way that killing yourself can never approach. ultimately, the act of suicide is a surrender, and honestly not something that deserves the sort of morbid laudation I see in your post.
- her will and convictions were twisted and wrenched by the constant bullying...kind of distorts the message when if she'd felt she had another out that wasn't death, she'd almost certainly have taken it. is the desperate act of someone who feels emotionally trapped and forced to act when they can't take any more really considered free speech?
- I very much protest this strange artistic framing that you've undertaken. framing the cycle of bullying and othering in some sort of process that can culminate in a "beautiful act of expression" when the end result is the loss of life is frankly fucking naive and sheltered and creepy. the message of anti-bullying and anti-discrimination groups for a long time now has been "it gets better", and it does get better, so for the love of god can we not romanticize the subject to the point where anyone else in this girl's position might be persuaded that they're making some sort of statement by hurting themselves, even slightly?
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull.
And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene.
Feel free to post in Website Feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts.
In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
edit ~ correction of website feedback and I added the URL
You are a funny odd little duck... calling people delusional and glorifying suicide. She got cornerd and saw no way out, she didn't have the courage to commit suicide, she couldn't find a resolution for her problems and as a last resort she opted the only viable way in her mind out. Glorifying suicide is what i call delusional. She would have shown courage if she asked for help.
[edit] appearently she did receive help but to no success, that was courages of her. Everything else I said still stands.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull.
And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene.
Feel free to post in community feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts.
In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
This is no expression of free will, this is an expression of desperation. By the gods, she needed help and was desperate and afraid, labeling this as a beautfull act of free will is just wrong. Do you know how she probably must have felt? Can you imagine the pain in the hours before she took her life ? The quarrels in her mind between desperation, hope and sense ? The spiral of emotion taking her down until she reached this dreadfull decission, where she was too afraid and too ashamed to ask for help ? And you come here talking about the beautifull free choice ? Your post is a mockery about her death and all the people facing a crises in life. You may argue that there was no crisis because it was just mockery, but it was real to her and it mattered to her and it as in any case with any human is just a personal matter. If you are down, your mind plays tricks on you resinforcing your desperation and fears and you can not see reality as it is and it is really really hard to ask for help in such a situation.
I am sorry but you really havent given enough thought or maybe heart in that matter into your post. I hope you take some time and think about what you have really posted before considering an answer.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull.
And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene.
Feel free to post in Website Feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts.
In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
edit ~ correction of website feedback and I added the URL
You are a funny odd little duck... calling people delusional and glorifying suicide. She got cornerd and saw no way out, she didn't have the courage to commit suicide, she couldn't find a resolution for her problems and as a last resort she opted the only viable way in her mind out. Glorifying suicide is what i call delusional. She would have shown courage if she asked for help.
The phrasing of delusional that I used was that the user was delusional if he thought that anonymous vindictively killing this guy would do anything in the long run, which I think is true because I don't think it'll change anything just like the Kony movement didn't change anything.
I guess we just have a different perception on the human spirit, it takes a lot of willpower to commit suicide, especially in a situation like hers. Just because it's beautiful doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing, horrible things can at times be beautiful. I just think it says a lot about her (knowing a lot of people who have cowered from suicide) that she was able to overcome the torment of living and to just end it. I know it's morbid, but that's the context of calling it beautiful.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull.
And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene.
Feel free to post in community feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts.
In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
This is no expression of free will, this is an expression of desperation. By the gods, she needed help and was desperate and afraid, labeling this as a beautfull act of free will is just wrong. Do you know how she probably must have felt? Can you imagine the pain in the hours before she took her life ? The quarrels in her mind between desperation, hope and sense ? The spiral of emotion taking her down until she reached this dreadfull decission, where she was too afraid and too ashamed to ask for help ? And you come here talking about the beautifull free choice ? Your post is a mockery about her death and all the people facing a crises in life. You may argue that there was no crisis because it was just mockery, but it was real to her and it mattered to her and it as in any case with any human is just a personal matter. If you are down, your mind plays tricks on you resinforcing your desperation and fears and you can not see reality as it is and it is really really hard to ask for help in such a situation.
I am sorry but you really havent given enough thought or maybe heart in that matter into your post. I hope you take some time and think about what you have really posted before considering an answer.
I grew up in North America, I know what the system of bullying is (built upon the idea that education is useless without adversity). I think you don't respect her death as much as I do, I really look up to her. I'm certainly not mocking her at all, not in the slightest. What would you have preferred, that she accept the shit everyone gave to her and carry on? She tried that and it failed. Multiple times even. I don't agree with her doing it, but I respect her decision to do it more than the people who say she was weak or stupid for doing it. That's the beauty of it, not the mockery..
You are a funny odd little duck... calling people delusional and glorifying suicide. She got cornerd and saw no way out, she didn't have the courage to commit suicide, she couldn't find a resolution for her problems and as a last resort she opted the only viable way in her mind out. Glorifying suicide is what i call delusional. She would have shown courage if she asked for help.
The phrasing of delusional that I used was that the user was delusional if he thought that anonymous vindictively killing this guy would do anything in the long run, which I think is true because I don't think it'll change anything just like the Kony movement didn't change anything.
I guess we just have a different perception on the human spirit, it takes a lot of willpower to commit suicide, especially in a situation like hers. Just because it's beautiful doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing, horrible things can at times be beautiful. I just think it says a lot about her (knowing a lot of people who have cowered from suicide) that she was able to overcome the torment of living and to just end it. I know it's morbid, but that's the context of calling it beautiful.
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I agree we have different perceptions, I also can't believe you honestly think someone has a lot of willpower to commit suicide. I believe you have mistake willpower with desperation. She went throught a whole ordeal of problems, all the help she received got immediatly shutdown every day she walked through the hallways of her school and anywhere else her bullies decided to harass her. This doesn't increase her willpower but drags her further down into desperation. Saying otherwise is delusional and probably helps you sleep better at night.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull.
And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene.
Feel free to post in Website Feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts.
In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
edit ~ correction of website feedback and I added the URL
I kinda see now why you were defending that blackmailing guy, bacause you've clearly share some personality traits. The most disturbing one is a complete lack of empathy.
On October 17 2012 07:11 Endymion wrote: built upon the idea that education is useless without adversity
what? what does this even mean? where does such an outlandish concept come from, please help me understand. I don't think harvard trust fund babies agree with this, let alone the sizable portion of schoolchildren that get through without any notable problems.
What would you have preferred, that she accept the shit everyone gave to her and carry on
yes? I really hate to break this to you, and I don't want to marginalize her story or her struggle by saying this, but the selfishness and othering tendencies inherent to children, adolescents and people in general win out when generally good people kill themselves over things like this. there is no artistic statement to be found here, just another casualty. regardless of whether you think that anti-bullying initiatives are going to be the one-shot answer to bullying (probably not), the romanticization involved in this artistry of suicide nonsense is simply revolting because it serves no purpose than to break down walls between teenagers living and teenagers dying.
horrible things can at times be beautiful
I'm calling your bluff, let's go with some comparisons. amaze me.
On October 17 2012 07:11 Endymion wrote: built upon the idea that education is useless without adversity
what? what does this even mean? where does such an outlandish concept come from, please help me understand. I don't think harvard trust fund babies agree with this, let alone the sizable portion of schoolchildren that get through without any notable problems.
What would you have preferred, that she accept the shit everyone gave to her and carry on
yes? I really hate to break this to you, and I don't want to marginalize her story or her struggle by saying this, but the selfishness and othering tendencies inherent to children, adolescents and people in general win out when generally good people kill themselves over things like this. there is no artistic statement to be found here, just another casualty. regardless of whether you think that anti-bullying initiatives are going to be the one-shot answer to bullying (probably not), the romanticization involved in this artistry of suicide nonsense is simply revolting because it serves no purpose than to break down walls between teenagers living and teenagers dying.
I'm calling your bluff, let's go with some comparisons. amaze me.
education is useless without adversity ~ without context, you can never experience something.. if everyone loved you would be hard pressed to find more value in love than someone who only has one person loving them. the sweet is never as sweet without the sour.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
That's partially why the suicide was beautiful, but I still say she was strong willed
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull.
And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene.
Feel free to post in Website Feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts.
In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
edit ~ correction of website feedback and I added the URL
I kinda see now why you were defending that blackmailing guy, bacause you've clearly share some personality traits. The most disturbing one is a complete lack of empathy.
I have way more empathy than the band-wagoners on facebook, because I strive to understand and appreciate her situation and decision. I would have been her best friend if I had known her.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
I am so very concerned about the prioritization of "beautiful" over "horrible" when describing the holocaust.
also, I enjoy the 100% non-conditional statement of "if you ask a survivor, they'll tell you". it really says a lot about how connected you are to any of this stuff you're saying. the ridiculous irony here is when you say this:
without context, you can never experience something
yeah, tell me about it
edit: things do indeed become marginalized, like if someone was to frame a relevant discussion of bullying, cyclical violence and its tragic consequences in pretentious philomajor pseudosympathy.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
I am so very concerned about the prioritization of "beautiful" over "horrible" when describing the holocaust.
also, I enjoy the 100% non-conditional statement of "if you ask a survivor, they'll tell you". it really says a lot about how connected you are to any of this stuff you're saying. the ridiculous irony here is when you say this:
without context, you can never experience something
yeah, tell me about it
well if you decide to make an argument instead of just arguing that my credentials (which you don't know anything at all about) are insufficient to have an opinion feel free to PM me and we'll have a discussion of the line between horror and beauty. I'll be sure to send you to HG Giger, or any morbid author for that matter. Hell, any author that talks about something that isn't accepted in modern culture. Another example, Brave New World is a beautiful piece of literature and it's certainly horrifying and disgusting to most people.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick.
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
On October 17 2012 07:51 Endymion wrote: well if you decide to make an argument instead of just arguing that my credentials (which you don't know anything at all about) are insufficient to have an opinion feel free to PM me and we'll have a discussion of the line between horror and beauty. I'll be sure to send you to HG Giger, or any morbid author for that matter. Hell, any author that talks about something that isn't accepted in modern culture. Another example, Brave New World is a beautiful piece of literature and it's certainly horrifying and disgusting to most people.
I never said your credentials were in question or that such categorically forbids you to speak, you can come down from that cross if you like.
there is such a large jump between arguing that pieces of fiction and art have dark beauty and saying that the holocaust and young women killing themselves have upsides that it is literally impossible to take you seriously as a human being. I'm very sorry, I will have to pass on the further argument, which wasn't terribly strong on your end to begin with since you've been consistently justifying real-world consequences and ends with artistic, illusory means. they don't balance out.
No it is not a show of will power of her to commit suicide, it is no expression of free will and it is no glorious beautifull act. It is a tragedy and an outcry of desparation of this girl. What you are writting even bringing in the holocoust is pure mockery even mentioning it and bringing it up in that context is just ill advised.
Would you go to her parents and say that her daughter did something beautifull and commited an act of will power ? Would you go to her friends ? Or rhe people who knew her and tell that what you are writing here ?
No, you would not because it is wrong and it is all a joke for you and you are not empathic enough to even grasp what happened to her and her familiy so please stop posting here or I will start to send PMs to other moderator requesting to overlook your postings. Stop with your, sry for the word but it really fits the most *bullshit* claims and get real.
On October 17 2012 07:35 Endymion wrote: I have way more empathy than the band-wagoners on facebook, because I strive to understand and appreciate her situation and decision. I would have been her best friend if I had known her.
Just curious ... what do you know about her, aside from admiring people who selfishly kill themselves?
On October 17 2012 07:51 Endymion wrote: well if you decide to make an argument instead of just arguing that my credentials (which you don't know anything at all about) are insufficient to have an opinion feel free to PM me and we'll have a discussion of the line between horror and beauty. I'll be sure to send you to HG Giger, or any morbid author for that matter. Hell, any author that talks about something that isn't accepted in modern culture. Another example, Brave New World is a beautiful piece of literature and it's certainly horrifying and disgusting to most people.
I never said your credentials were in question or that such categorically forbids you to speak, you can come down from that cross if you like.
there is such a large jump between arguing that pieces of fiction and art have dark beauty and saying that the holocaust and young women killing themselves have upsides that it is literally impossible to take you seriously as a human being. I'm very sorry, I will have to pass on the further argument, which wasn't terribly strong on your end to begin with since you've been consistently justifying real-world consequences and ends with artistic, illusory means. they don't balance out.
"
without context, you can never experience something
yeah, tell me about it"
this is the comment that I took as you saying that I didn't have context, if that wasn't your implication then I apologize. . I don't see why there has to be such a large jump, I think life is a beautiful yet horrifying experience. I'm sorry if you can't see the beauty in things, I was just expressing my appreciation of it. I'm sorry that our views don't align, I didn't mean to alienate you in any way.
As far as the inquiry to how much I know about her, I know enough as I have to. I'm obviously not going to go into relationships or information sources as it would be disrespectful to her, it's not like they would add any more validity to my comments anyways.
On October 17 2012 08:01 Holy_AT wrote: No it is not a show of will power of her to commit suicide, it is no expression of free will and it is no glorious beautifull act. It is a tragedy and an outcry of desparation of this girl. What you are writting even bringing in the holocoust is pure mockery even mentioning it and bringing it up in that context is just ill advised.
Would you go to her parents and say that her daughter did something beautifull and commited an act of will power ? Would you go to her friends ? Or rhe people who knew her and tell that what you are writing here ?
No, you would not because it is wrong and it is all a joke for you and you are not empathic enough to even grasp what happened to her and her familiy so please stop posting here or I will start to send PMs to other moderator requesting to overlook your postings. Stop with your, sry for the word but it really fits the most *bullshit* claims and get real.
Oh, thanks for speaking for how I would phrase my comments to her parents and friends. I would say the exact same thing to them as I'm saying here, I respected their daughter. It's not up to you to accept or deny statements on their behalf..
I am far from one of the people expounding "suicide is never the answer", but I'd be very reluctant to qualify suicide as an supreme expression of free will - the closest I would get would be a supreme expression of anti-institutionalism (or non-conformism), but I kind of feel like to invoke free will into the discussion would be like invoking free will in that "should prostitution be legalised?" thread, and that's not even taking into account the neuroscience behind chronic depression.
On October 17 2012 07:35 Endymion wrote: I have way more empathy than the band-wagoners on facebook, because I strive to understand and appreciate her situation and decision. I would have been her best friend if I had known her.
Just curious ... what do you know about her, aside from admiring people who selfishly kill themselves?
Well to prove that he is not a sociopath he would be best friends with anyone by supporting them into a suicide.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull.
And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene.
Feel free to post in Website Feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts.
In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
edit ~ correction of website feedback and I added the URL
Uhhhh what? Endymion, you are just straight, messed up. If you think that is a beautiful form of expression. Then you have major, MAJOR fucking problems. Go see a shrink you quack pot. Strong will and convictions? Just shut the fuck up now. She was a teenage girl and you never met her, or knew her. Or even live near her, so stfu now.
This isn't new as far as Endy's modding is concerned. He temp bans, and bans ppl most of the time for no reason ( go look at the game of thrones thread) And is generally, one of the dumber mods that TL has.
I HAVE posted in the feedback thread about him, and it went no where. So nice try once again Endy. Sometimes I wonder if they have any criteria to be a mod. Because clearly you don't meet them.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull.
And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene.
Feel free to post in Website Feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts.
In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
edit ~ correction of website feedback and I added the URL
Uhhhh what? Endymion, you are just straight, messed up. If you think that is a beautiful form of expression. Then you have major, MAJOR fucking problems. Go see a shrink you quack pot. Strong will and convictions? Just shut the fuck up now. She was a teenage girl and you never met her, or knew her. Or even live near her, so stfu now.
This isn't new as far as Endy's modding is concerned. He temp bans, and bans ppl most of the time for no reason ( go look at the game of thrones thread) And is generally, one of the dumber mods that TL has.
I HAVE posted in the feedback thread about him, and it went no where. So nice try once again Endy. Sometimes I wonder if they have any criteria to be a mod. Because clearly you don't meet them.
what??? Endy is different, I'm endymion. I don't have mod powers, i can't ban or temp ban people.
On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote: OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded.
Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull.
And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene.
Feel free to post in Website Feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts.
In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression.
edit ~ correction of website feedback and I added the URL
Uhhhh what? Endymion, you are just straight, messed up. If you think that is a beautiful form of expression. Then you have major, MAJOR fucking problems. Go see a shrink you quack pot. Strong will and convictions? Just shut the fuck up now. She was a teenage girl and you never met her, or knew her. Or even live near her, so stfu now.
This isn't new as far as Endy's modding is concerned. He temp bans, and bans ppl most of the time for no reason ( go look at the game of thrones thread) And is generally, one of the dumber mods that TL has.
I HAVE posted in the feedback thread about him, and it went no where. So nice try once again Endy. Sometimes I wonder if they have any criteria to be a mod. Because clearly you don't meet them.
what??? Endy is different, I'm endymion. I don't have mod powers, i can't ban or temp ban people.
NVM, i see that now. Disregard anything about being a mod that i typed. And it's still true.
You are fucked in the head, end of story. There is NOTHING beautiful about anyone committing suicide. ever
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
which is still a fallacy because people can feel ways about things and argue points based on their insular experiences which comprise a "good" life and a "bad" life. should this girl have considered the starving african children or child prostitutes her age overseas when she was considering the pros and cons of ending her own life? no, because in what sane world does a white middle-class teenager with access to facebook really, truly understand that, or the holocaust? you trivialize these things, all of these things, by combining them into one mass of relativism and ignoring the very basic nuances in favor of lenses of "horror" and "beauty".
On October 17 2012 08:03 Endymion wrote: . I don't see why there has to be such a large jump, I think life is a beautiful yet horrifying experience. I'm sorry if you can't see the beauty in things, I was just expressing my appreciation of it. I'm sorry that our views don't align, I didn't mean to alienate you in any way.
As far as the inquiry to how much I know about her, I know enough as I have to. I'm obviously not going to go into relationships or information sources as it would be disrespectful to her, it's not like they would add any more validity to my comments anyways.
I think you're arguing from a generalization that can apply to many things but is, at the very least, blatantly out of place when applied to a highly personal, specific tragedy. also, I can see the beauty in a great many things, most of which include people casting aside petty, banal differences like class/race/gender/sexuality and coming together to create something or just co-exist and make society look that much less awful for the effort. what I cannot see is someone celebrating the very victory of those aspects of humanity that make it awful; acknowledging them is one thing, but "beauty" is a compliment, and that dualism you seem to embrace makes the bigger societal issues of bullying and othering seem insubstantial, out-of-reach and summarily trivial because they imply a greater pointlessness to it all. this is what pisses people off, people who empathize with this girl's plight...not saying you don't on some level, but it's kind of hard to pinpoint when you argue that her death had some sort of point or objective to it.
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
which is still a fallacy because people can feel ways about things and argue points based on their insular experiences which comprise a "good" life and a "bad" life. should this girl have considered the starving african children or child prostitutes her age overseas when she was considering the pros and cons of ending her own life? no, because in what sane world does a white middle-class teenager with access to facebook really, truly understand that, or the holocaust? you trivialize these things, all of these things, by combining them into one mass of relativism and ignoring the very basic nuances in favor of lenses of "horror" and "beauty".
On October 17 2012 08:03 Endymion wrote: . I don't see why there has to be such a large jump, I think life is a beautiful yet horrifying experience. I'm sorry if you can't see the beauty in things, I was just expressing my appreciation of it. I'm sorry that our views don't align, I didn't mean to alienate you in any way.
As far as the inquiry to how much I know about her, I know enough as I have to. I'm obviously not going to go into relationships or information sources as it would be disrespectful to her, it's not like they would add any more validity to my comments anyways.
I think you're arguing from a generalization that can apply to many things but is, at the very least, blatantly out of place when applied to a highly personal, specific tragedy. also, I can see the beauty in a great many things, most of which include people casting aside petty, banal differences like class/race/gender/sexuality and coming together to create something or just co-exist and make society look that much less awful for the effort. what I cannot see is someone celebrating the very victory of those aspects of humanity that make it awful; acknowledging them is one thing, but "beauty" is a compliment, and that dualism you seem to embrace makes the bigger societal issues of bullying and othering seem insubstantial, out-of-reach and summarily trivial because they imply a greater pointlessness to it all. this is what pisses people off, people who empathize with this girl's plight...not saying you don't on some level, but it's kind of hard to pinpoint when you argue that her death had some sort of point or objective to it.
I'm sorry if I was mistaken for marginalizing her suicide or the factors that caused it, it was never my intention. It's not that beauty is a compliment, I just used it in the sense that it places value on something and that people should be aware of it because it provides something above the norm.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick.
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick.
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous.
I'm not saying that the holocaust wasn't horrible and tragic, it was. It's just important to be able to take a rational look at human development, which is integral if you're trying to understand the 2nd point. Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise. In Amanda's case, they're certainly not fucking noise, and I've been unbelievably sad since her death, but I would rather see it in some form of a positive light instead of just saying "look at how weak she was, she couldn't stand up to it. she's selfish" I think more of her than that
I know there are clowns that literally victim blame and call her fortitude into question while the actual problem, that being bullying in schools, waltzes out the back of the auditorium towards the smoking area but that really doesn't change the fact that many of us believe there is no positivity to be seen here and do not agree with your analysis. opinions can and will differ, but don't strawman the opposition as victim blamers, yo.
I also have a half-formed thought about how easy it is to label every negative occurrance in life as having some sort of beauty simply because of X amount of resistance from circumstance to overcome, or the free will to overcome which is still kind of a fallacy since something acting on you that is inherently negative tends to constrain your range of actions and thus your free will. basically, it's a really easy and weightless philosophical piffle of a position and I think almost all situations in life require more nuance.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick.
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous.
Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise.
The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting?
On October 17 2012 08:44 Monochromatic wrote: Honestly this whole problem could've been avoided if personal information wasn't posted on the internet.
uh
yeah
but that's not the world we live in, or the world the next generation will live in. we're just now discovering all the innovative ways the school bullying process can continue outside the school walls. even when you're in the comfort of your home, you aren't safe - it is so fucking depressing to even consider, I hated high school enough without the possibility of that part of my life invading the only private time I had. yes, you can tell your kids to stay off facebook and whatever its descendant sites will be, but that just separates them from the fold in yet another way and invites more discrimination.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick.
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous.
Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise.
The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting?
that's like saying would i find standing in front of a live gas chamber beautiful. obviously it's grotesque, but there is still meaning in it. I'm not "switching off emotions," but emotions need to be truly embraced to appreciate something as grotesque.. Idk if I could do it for a picture of blood though, just like I wouldn't find a video of someone killing themselves beautiful.. it's the thought behind it I guess
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick.
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous.
Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise.
The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting?
that's like saying would i find standing in front of a live gas chamber beautiful. obviously it's grotesque, but there is still meaning in it. I'm not "switching off emotions," but emotions need to be truly embraced to appreciate something as grotesque.. Idk if I could do it for a picture of blood though, just like I wouldn't find a video of someone killing themselves beautiful.. it's the thought behind it I guess
My main point here is that the appreciation of beauty is basicly an appreciation of emotions that something evokes, all emotions. You cant just rule out the most powerful one and say: ok, it's beautiful now. Form, sense, meaning and context, everything is important.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick.
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous.
Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise.
The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting?
that's like saying would i find standing in front of a live gas chamber beautiful. obviously it's grotesque, but there is still meaning in it. I'm not "switching off emotions," but emotions need to be truly embraced to appreciate something as grotesque.. Idk if I could do it for a picture of blood though, just like I wouldn't find a video of someone killing themselves beautiful.. it's the thought behind it I guess
My main point here is that the appreciation of beauty is basicly an appreciation of emotions that something evokes, all emotions. You cant just rule out the most powerful one and say: ok, it's beautiful now. Form, sense, meaning and context, everything is important.
Well considering how subjective a topic like beauty is you can't exactly dictate what beauty is for others.
I get what he's saying, even though I don't fully agree with it. It's not my place to tell him he's wrong.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick.
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous.
Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise.
The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting?
that's like saying would i find standing in front of a live gas chamber beautiful. obviously it's grotesque, but there is still meaning in it. I'm not "switching off emotions," but emotions need to be truly embraced to appreciate something as grotesque.. Idk if I could do it for a picture of blood though, just like I wouldn't find a video of someone killing themselves beautiful.. it's the thought behind it I guess
I can't believe people on her are advocating banning you for speaking your mind. You see something in it and pointed and others didn't see it and they attacked you for it.
You were extremely polite even with people calling you names like children throughout the whole discussion.
People are so anal about being PC it is incredible.
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick.
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous.
Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise.
The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting?
that's like saying would i find standing in front of a live gas chamber beautiful. obviously it's grotesque, but there is still meaning in it. I'm not "switching off emotions," but emotions need to be truly embraced to appreciate something as grotesque.. Idk if I could do it for a picture of blood though, just like I wouldn't find a video of someone killing themselves beautiful.. it's the thought behind it I guess
I can't believe people on her are advocating banning you for speaking your mind. You see something in it and pointed and others didn't see it and they attacked you for it.
You were extremely polite even with people calling you names like children throughout the whole discussion.
People are so anal about being PC it is incredible.
If you read this thread you will find others who have been banned for 'speaking their mind' though, and often they have said things much less questionable than what this guy has. Maybe they just want consistency.
It's still astonishing that there are people dead-set on dragging her name through the mud after her death. So it's not surprising that Anonymous would job into the fray.
Wow Endymion, I understand your notion that generally speaking suicide is considered as artistic form of expression. However I do not agree that artistic would define this specific case.
When things like this happen (ex. other cases of bullying or rape), there are two very distinct issues that people often find difficult to separate from each other. The answers to each of these questions do not have to be the same:
1. Whether the aggressors were morally justified in doing what they did.
2. Whether the victim "brought [the act] upon him or herself". In other words, did the victim consciously make a series of bad decisions that put him or her at an elevated risk of being [bullied or assaulted or raped or killed]?
It seems pretty obvious that the kids in this instance were not morally justified in bullying Amanda because it's always wrong to cause someone else unnecessary physical, mental, or emotional harm. Furthermore, laws against cyberbullying are justified because they give people an extra incentive to not cause massive and unnecessary emotional distress.
At the same time, in this instance, the correct response to question 2 is definitely "yes, she did." She first flashed some random strangers on the internet, then gave another stranger a show, then slept with a guy who already had a girlfriend, then killed herself.
Anyway, I think that if people recognized that there's a difference between issues 1 and 2, there would be a lot less anger in discussions about these kind of events.
On October 18 2012 11:19 airtown wrote: When things like this happen (ex. other cases of bullying or rape), there are two very distinct issues that people often find difficult to separate from each other. The answers to each of these questions do not have to be the same:
1. Whether the aggressors were morally justified in doing what they did.
2. Whether the victim "brought [the act] upon him or herself". In other words, did the victim consciously make a series of bad decisions that put him or her at an elevated risk of being [bullied or assaulted or raped or killed]?
It seems pretty obvious that the kids in this instance were not morally justified in bullying Amanda because it's always wrong to cause someone else unnecessary physical, mental, or emotional harm. Furthermore, laws against cyberbullying are justified because they give people an extra incentive to not cause massive and unnecessary emotional distress.
At the same time, in this instance, the correct response to question 2 is definitely "yes, she did." She first flashed some random strangers on the internet, then gave another stranger a show, then slept with a guy who already had a girlfriend, then killed herself.
Anyway, I think that if people recognized that there's a difference between issues 1 and 2, there would be a lot less anger in discussions about these kind of events.
Its really that people treat her as a perfect angel because of her looks.
There are many cases of suicide by external factors while this case was primarily internal.
And even in bullying, on a elementary school level, there are many situation where the girl didn't chose to bring the fate upon themselves. People would just randomly pick on them for no reason without them doing anything bad.
I do wonder to what extent her video clip reflects what really happened. As sad and tragic as it definitely is, her side of the story seems to be heavily contested by people who say they knew her, yet to believe them without question would be equally ignorant.
It is a truly sad story, as she is the victim of a severe case of bullying. At the same time, I wonder if good parenting by restricting internet access, at age 12 when the cause of the major threat/insult occured, and after her 1st suicide to prevent her further contact with the Aggressor/Offender and further harm. It is indicated that he was contacting, so limiting internet access, and changing her email would have solved that problem. An Excessive method, would be the whole relocation of the family, with completely new email and internet protocols to prevent any and all contact from the Offender, or the Offender publicizing the photo's. Further councelling would also have helped.
I hope the alleged offender is the offender in this case as well, so that he can be brought to justice, and that a sturdy punishment is dealt.
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That video is really depressing.
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