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On October 14 2012 03:41 Zoesan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:24 teamsolid wrote:
The amount of victim blaming in this thread just makes me completely sick. I had no idea so many people in this world lack empathy. In this particular case, while I don't agree, I understand where they're coming from. She made a lot of bad decisions which led to the clusterfuck that was the last part of her life. The fact that she was bullied is sad and shouldn't happen, but it was... foreseeable 
Pretty much. I'm not sure why people on BOTH sides can't understand that this case is not black and white.
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On October 14 2012 03:48 Picklebread wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:30 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote:
only the stupid commit suicide. No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around. And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER? Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being. What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic. @Below: I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious. I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions. From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent. But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death. Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible.
Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this...
@Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died.
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On October 14 2012 04:20 Scholera wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:48 Picklebread wrote:On October 14 2012 03:30 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote:
only the stupid commit suicide. No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around. And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER? Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being. What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic. @Below: I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious. I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions. From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent. But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death. Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible. Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this... @Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died.
I don't get how you can say someone who meets people online and shows them their boobs and fucks guys in commited relationships is completely free of blame..
Yes she met the wrong people.
Yes she was bullied and what the people did with that photo was disgusting.
Still she provided all the opurtinities.
And that is what I wish everyone would take away from this. Think before doing something, avoid situations like that.
You cannot only rely on others to keep you out of harm, you have to do your part as well.
Obviously this is an extreme case and I wish whoever published that facebook page and black mailed her and just kept fucking up her life would face serious consequences. Still, it was very preventable.
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Also, people who say they don't care at all are either complete sociopaths or, and this is way more likely, 14 yo boys who try to look tough over the interwebz. In other words, your standart Forum idiot..
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On October 14 2012 04:20 Scholera wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:48 Picklebread wrote:On October 14 2012 03:30 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote:
only the stupid commit suicide. No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around. And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER? Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being. What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic. @Below: I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious. I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions. From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent. But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death. Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible. Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this... @Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died.
That part is, sure. I don't think anyone is denying that...and if they are that's nuts.
What I'm referring to is that someone pointing out that she made really stupid decisions is somehow twisted into saying that she deserved what happened to her, or some crap. Yeah - she made bad decisions and continually made bad decisions when she should have known better. Anyone who tries to deny that is just blind to the facts. But does making bad decisions make someone deserving of the hell she went through? My answer, for the hundredth time, is a big, resounding, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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On October 14 2012 04:31 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 04:20 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 03:48 Picklebread wrote:On October 14 2012 03:30 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote:
only the stupid commit suicide. No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around. And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER? Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being. What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic. @Below: I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious. I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions. From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent. But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death. Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible. Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this... @Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died. I don't get how you can say someone who meets people online and shows them their boobs and fucks guys in commited relationships is completely free of blame.. Yes she met the wrong people. Yes she was bullied and what the people did with that photo was disgusting. Still she provided all the opurtinities. And that is what I wish everyone would take away from this. Think before doing something, avoid situations like that. You cannot only rely on others to keep you out of harm, you have to do your part as well. Obviously this is an extreme case and I wish whoever published that facebook page and black mailed her and just kept fucking up her life would face serious consequences. Still, it was very preventable. Edit: Also, people who say they don't care at all are either complete sociopaths or, and this is way more likely, 14 yo boys who try to look tough over the interwebz. In other words, your standart Forum idiot..
Thank you; this is what I'm talking about. I hope the people who hurt her do get punished - severely - because they had no right to do that to her, no matter how bad the decision she made. Unfortunately, these people (I use that term loosely) will always be out there and you have to be careful!! T-T I wish someone had warned her...then none of this would have happened...
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I guess where we disagree is that to me the problem isn't about showing your breasts or coping with bullying, etc, it's about the underlying desolation of society and how it's possible for people to become so disillusioned in their search for human connection that they don't see an alternative to this action.
Maybe if people hugged instead of taunted each other, these opportunities wouldn't have existed.
Then again, I'm sure you have a point, but I just can't stomach to judge a late person in their position.
+ Show Spoiler +I like to remember with insight
Until it becomes obsessive and trite
Now I'm driven to believe
That if man is only free locked in a prison of memories
Then maybe I'd rather be a slave
To an amnestic mentality
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On October 14 2012 04:31 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 04:20 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 03:48 Picklebread wrote:On October 14 2012 03:30 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote:
only the stupid commit suicide. No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around. And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER? Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being. What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic. @Below: I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious. I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions. From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent. But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death. Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible. Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this... @Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died. I don't get how you can say someone who meets people online and shows them their boobs and fucks guys in commited relationships is completely free of blame.. Yes she met the wrong people. Yes she was bullied and what the people did with that photo was disgusting. Still she provided all the opurtinities. And that is what I wish everyone would take away from this. Think before doing something, avoid situations like that. You cannot only rely on others to keep you out of harm, you have to do your part as well. Obviously this is an extreme case and I wish whoever published that facebook page and black mailed her and just kept fucking up her life would face serious consequences. Still, it was very preventable. Edit: Also, people who say they don't care at all are either complete sociopaths or, and this is way more likely, 14 yo boys who try to look tough over the interwebz. In other words, your standart Forum idiot..
Lol "committed relationships". Is that like the "in French it means something else" thing?
I can't believe you're actually arguing people making mistakes means they're "providing opportunities" for this kind of shit. If that's what you want people to take away from this you have your own problems.
Listen to people around you every once and a while. Make them not feel alone (nothing turns friends into absentees faster than depression, yet you need nothing more at that time), don't wait until they're trending on Twitter. And certainly don't make other people's life hell. Be a fucking human being. Maybe some ideas for take aways?
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Again: she did stupid things she shouldn't have done.
Should the reaction of the rest of the world be this? Should she be bullied for them incessantly and even physically beaten?
Of course not
It was wrong, it was idiotic and it was utterly despicable.
Was she still an idiot for providing the opportunity? Yes
Is it her fault? Hell no.
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On October 14 2012 05:07 schimmetje wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 04:31 rEalGuapo wrote:On October 14 2012 04:20 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 03:48 Picklebread wrote:On October 14 2012 03:30 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote:
only the stupid commit suicide. No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around. And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER? Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being. What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic. @Below: I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious. I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions. From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent. But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death. Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible. Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this... @Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died. I don't get how you can say someone who meets people online and shows them their boobs and fucks guys in commited relationships is completely free of blame.. Yes she met the wrong people. Yes she was bullied and what the people did with that photo was disgusting. Still she provided all the opurtinities. And that is what I wish everyone would take away from this. Think before doing something, avoid situations like that. You cannot only rely on others to keep you out of harm, you have to do your part as well. Obviously this is an extreme case and I wish whoever published that facebook page and black mailed her and just kept fucking up her life would face serious consequences. Still, it was very preventable. Edit: Also, people who say they don't care at all are either complete sociopaths or, and this is way more likely, 14 yo boys who try to look tough over the interwebz. In other words, your standart Forum idiot.. Lol "committed relationships". Is that like the "in French it means something else" thing? I can't believe you're actually arguing people making mistakes means they're "providing opportunities" for this kind of shit. If that's what you want people to take away from this you have your own problems. Listen to people around you every once and a while. Make them not feel alone (nothing turns friends into absentees faster than depression, yet you need nothing more at that time), don't wait until they're trending on Twitter. And certainly don't make other people's life hell. Be a fucking human being. Maybe some ideas for take aways?
This is the kind of post i appreciate. I simply don't understand people who look at this and take away that "hah this means its stupid to show anyone your boobs" instead of "Hey, look at what society allowed to happen to this girl, this means that next time you see someone who could be hurting inside, take the time from your day to be a human"
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She did things she shouldn't have, but these people went out of their way to torment her, like they didn't have anything else to do.
I'd also say the medical attention she received was shabby(A total flop, since she's dead). The psychiatrist(s) in question failed to identify or put enough emphasis on the root of the problem-cyberbullying. Sure, antidepressants and counselling sessions help, but what's the point if the stressors are not sufficiently dealt with? They even had a huge warning sign shoved up their noses when she overdosed(a patient who's known to be suicidal no less).
Could they have done better? definitely.
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Extremely sad, as it brings back memories for me. I recently was able to overcome my depression and social anxiety partially due to bullying in school. I too attempted suicide in 3 different attempts, but luckily was unsuccessful. I am truly sorry for her family as well as her true friends loss. The feeling of loneliness can take its toll.
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On October 14 2012 02:30 zimp wrote:
all these bans makes me not express my thoughts.
You are fine to express your thoughts and negative ones at that.
Most bans were
NOTE** paraphrased
"biggest rage quit ever"
"multiple times calling her a "whore" and then leading into saying if he was a girl with her he'd beat the shit out of her too"
Those were why the bans hit, not because they had negative outlook on the situation, there is a difference between having an opinion that is unpopular and showing no empathy nor respect and acting like a child, thus the ban ensued.
On October 14 2012 05:17 poorbeggarman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote:
Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish. I'm sure you can relate from that high horse of yours. And she -IS- juvenile, not a great thinker, are you?
haha, names every single thing a teenager is. Stupid, selfish and well, they're literally juvenile. That guy right there eh?
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On October 14 2012 00:32 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:59 Defacer wrote:On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote:
Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility. One Word: THIRTEEN. [Defacer drops mic. Internet applauds.] Congratulations, you completely missed the context. This was referring to TwoToneTerran's characterization of advocating safety as "victim blaming".
Again: THIRTEEN.
YOU are completely missing the context. Using the suicide of a tormented and bullied thirteen year-old as an example for why people should take responsibility for their 'safety' is the most ridiculous agenda ever, and absolutely beneath you. I KNOW you're smarter than this.
It's like taking the passengers in the planes that were hijacked during 9-11, and using them for a cautionary tale about why we shouldn't trust strangers. It's a totally inappropriate opportunity to make a rather lame observation.
Furthermore, your simply wrong -- she absolutely, actively took precautionary measures. She made one mistake when she was thirteen and subsequently moved schools and entire towns. Do these not count as radical steps to protect her own safety?
Seriously dude, pick better battles. This one is dumb.
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On October 14 2012 06:17 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 00:32 sunprince wrote:On October 13 2012 11:59 Defacer wrote:On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote:
Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility. One Word: THIRTEEN. [Defacer drops mic. Internet applauds.] Congratulations, you completely missed the context. This was referring to TwoToneTerran's characterization of advocating safety as "victim blaming". Again: THIRTEEN. YOU are completely are missing the context. Using the suicide of a tormented and bullied thirteen year-old as an example for why people should take responsibility for their 'safety' is the most ridiculous agenda ever, and absolutely beneath you. I KNOW you're smarter than this. It's like taking the passengers in the planes that where hijacked during 9-11, and using it as a cautionary tale for why we shouldn't trust strangers. It's a totally inappropriate opportunity to make a rather lame observation. Furthermore, your simply wrong -- she absolutely, actively took precautionary measures. She made one mistake when she was thirteen and subsequently moved schools and entire towns. Do these not count as radical steps to protect her own safety? Seriously dude, pick better battles. This one is dumb.
Defacer brings the heat
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On October 14 2012 06:17 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 00:32 sunprince wrote:On October 13 2012 11:59 Defacer wrote:On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote:
Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility. One Word: THIRTEEN. [Defacer drops mic. Internet applauds.] Congratulations, you completely missed the context. This was referring to TwoToneTerran's characterization of advocating safety as "victim blaming". Again: THIRTEEN. YOU are completely are missing the context. Using the suicide of a tormented and bullied thirteen year-old as an example for why people should take responsibility for their 'safety' is the most ridiculous agenda ever, and absolutely beneath you. I KNOW you're smarter than this. It's like taking the passengers in the planes that where hijacked during 9-11, and using it as a cautionary tale for why we shouldn't trust strangers. It's a totally inappropriate opportunity to make a rather lame observation. Furthermore, your simply wrong -- she absolutely, actively took precautionary measures. She made one mistake when she was thirteen and subsequently moved schools and entire towns. Do these not count as radical steps to protect her own safety? Seriously dude, pick better battles. This one is dumb.
Exactly. It's a good analogy even if it isn't perfect.
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Austin10831 Posts
"The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."
- David Foster Wallace
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On a personal note, I think a lot of these things she got bullied for were her own conscious decisions. Flashing tits, giving the guy a show, hooking up with that other guy, are all decisions she made, and that was her downfall.
THAT BEING SAID, that in no way excuses the people who said that to her. Anyone who would tell someone to go kill themselves, anyone who would tell someone that nobody likes them, anybody at all who would have the gall, the nature, the lack of character to tell someone that is subhuman. Those people are all animals, disgusting subhuman beings who do not deserve the goodwill they get. I'm in high school now, but I have never met anyone who would tell someone to go kill themselves. I have never been told to go kill myself. I have never told someone to go kill themselves. Maybe it's because I'm a rich white kid who goes to a private school, maybe this stuff does happen around me and I just don't see it, but my life must clearly not be indicative of the world. Shit man. These people...... how can people be this cruel.....
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On October 14 2012 04:31 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 04:20 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 03:48 Picklebread wrote:On October 14 2012 03:30 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote:
only the stupid commit suicide. No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around. And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER? Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being. What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic. @Below: I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious. I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions. From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent. But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death. Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible. Thanks for replying. I honestly wouldn't know what to do if I was alone on this... @Above: No, it's pretty black and white that it's simply a tragedy she died. I don't get how you can say someone who meets people online and shows them their boobs and fucks guys in commited relationships is completely free of blame.. Yes she met the wrong people. Yes she was bullied and what the people did with that photo was disgusting. Still she provided all the opurtinities. And that is what I wish everyone would take away from this. Think before doing something, avoid situations like that. You cannot only rely on others to keep you out of harm, you have to do your part as well. Obviously this is an extreme case and I wish whoever published that facebook page and black mailed her and just kept fucking up her life would face serious consequences. Still, it was very preventable. Edit: Also, people who say they don't care at all are either complete sociopaths or, and this is way more likely, 14 yo boys who try to look tough over the interwebz. In other words, your standart Forum idiot..
I'm about to vomit from all the slut-shaming in this thread... I mean it seriously is beginning to sound like she raped the guy or something. Forgive me if I'm wrong but aren't the following points pretty much fact at this point?
1. Girl is not in a relationship
2. Girl decides to have sex with someone
3. Guy is in a relationship
4. Guy decides to have sex with someone
I fail to see where there is a problem with the woman in this situation. The three of them are not in a poly amorous relationship. She has no ethical obligation to the guy's girlfriend. She has no responsibility to ensure the monogamy of someone else's relationship. That is true unless you believe that monogamy is part of society's ethical framework, a notion I would dispute.
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On October 14 2012 06:54 BaconofWar wrote:
On a personal note, I think a lot of these things she got bullied for were her own conscious decisions. Flashing tits, giving the guy a show, hooking up with that other guy, are all decisions she made, and that was her downfall.
THAT BEING SAID, that in no way excuses the people who said that to her. Anyone who would tell someone to go kill themselves, anyone who would tell someone that nobody likes them, anybody at all who would have the gall, the nature, the lack of character to tell someone that is subhuman. Those people are all animals, disgusting subhuman beings who do not deserve the goodwill they get. I'm in high school now, but I have never met anyone who would tell someone to go kill themselves. I have never been told to go kill myself. I have never told someone to go kill themselves. Maybe it's because I'm a rich white kid who goes to a private school, maybe this stuff does happen around me and I just don't see it, but my life must clearly not be indicative of the world. Shit man. These people...... how can people be this cruel.....
Your personal note oversimplifies the situation; while that does make these continuing occurances easier to comprehend it misses the issue and provides no suggestion on how to prevent or respond to this shit.
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