EPTWhere are all the streamers?
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CicadaSC
United States1823 Posts
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TequilaMockingbird
Germany64 Posts
Well I, personally, would think that many people go look for other opportunities. Be it other games, or college, or playing poker or some kind of regular job. I don`t want to beat the "dead game" horse any more into the ground right now but well... you said it yourself. | ||
Waxangel
United States33484 Posts
Over the years, the pro-player base has been slowly shrinking, so inevitably there's going to be less streamers than before. As for this current off-season, I think most players (and honestly, everyone in the community) are just in a holding pattern waiting on some official announcement before they make any big decisions. If you're not one of the TOP pros, you have to commit to a lot of regular streaming to make meaningful money, and I can see why no one is eager to do it 'just for fun' during the off-season. That's more of a big career decision you make AFTER you know what's happening to the SC2 scene. | ||
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kAra
Germany1387 Posts
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ProTech1
38 Posts
For korean pros, you might be able to find them on Afreeca, as Twitch has closed all business operations for Korean twitch users entirely, but SC2 doesn't have much a fan-base in Korea so I doubt people will spend much time trying to make a streaming career with the game. Most of them have gone back to SC1 as the game still has a huge viewer base. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1237 Posts
On January 03 2025 18:35 ProTech1 wrote: Very likely won't be many streamers this year either as Twitch has gutted our ad revenue by 90%. You need to stream 200+ hours a month to even come close to paying your bills. For korean pros, you might be able to find them on Afreeca, as Twitch has closed all business operations for Korean twitch users entirely, but SC2 doesn't have much a fan-base in Korea so I doubt people will spend much time trying to make a streaming career with the game. Most of them have gone back to SC1 as the game still has a huge viewer base. Are you refering to the Twitch Adpocalypse who turned out to be mostly a hoax? | ||
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yubo56
690 Posts
On January 04 2025 03:07 Balnazza wrote: Are you refering to the Twitch Adpocalypse who turned out to be mostly a hoax? Hoax seems to be a bit strong of a word, sounds like there were legitimate misconfigurations from streamers that resulted in real decreased ad revenue? Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1gu92xn/whats_going_on_with_supposed_twitch_adpocalypse/lxtub9c/ But also, in response to OP, yeah, korean pros not being on Twitch due to Twitch pulling out KR really hurts the streaming scene | ||
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ZombieGrub
United States712 Posts
On January 03 2025 18:20 kAra wrote: seems like money was mostly keeping this game alive, not people actually enjoy playing it Because everyone involved in SC was making so much money. Streaming is different than playing or casting. Many people don't want to be streamers or content creators, but instead want to compete or watch competitions, or they enjoy SC without streaming. Technically one could stream without a webcam or mic, and some do, but it's not very fruitful is it? No one likes streaming when chat is at 0 interaction and you're better off just playing the game you like off-stream. To the OP - some are taking it as a vacation, some are questioning further commitment without the esports scene since that what they've staked their livelihood on, and some are just reeling from their identity as a "SC person" being in question now. It makes the situation look especially bad which sucks, but this is/could be a colossal shift in StarCraft's identity and it's going to push the hardcore-esports side of things out. Maybe people who do simply enjoy laddering/streaming/content creation will emerge, but since SC2 was born super intertwined with esports and competition, it's gonna take a hit when that is gone. | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden790 Posts
On January 03 2025 18:20 kAra wrote: seems like money was mostly keeping this game alive, not people actually enjoy playing it Im pretty sure alot of regular people are still playing it just for fun. Lots of pros are playing aswell, thinking that since they dont stream they arent playing is kinda stupid. And ofc money is a huge incentive, when talking about pros that pretty much is what they live from. | ||
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
EDIT: Just checked on twitch. There are 688 viewers right now. Why would the streamers stream this game? | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic626 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17685 Posts
https://www.twitch.tv/zoun9999 | ||
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PsiBlade1010
13 Posts
 , dont see how i could make time to watch regularly streams and also play sc2 and watch tournament games. For me youtube videos is how i watch sc2 content, it seems much more condensed and not time dependent.There is a ton of awesome sc2 youtubers | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1823 Posts
On January 11 2025 01:03 PsiBlade1010 wrote: Im a pretty late (started watching around 2018) and mostly casual sc2 fan (dia player) and i never could understand the whole streaming meta. I think most sc2 fans are older, meaning adults, meaning most of the time work/dealing with life. i personally , as before mentioned adult person , dont see how i could make time to watch regularly streams and also play sc2 and watch tournament games. For me youtube videos is how i watch sc2 content, it seems much more condensed and not time dependent.There is a ton of awesome sc2 youtubers well i think the biggest factor is not everyone has a family. even if we are older viewers you still get a decent amount of free time. lets say 8 hours a day for work, 1 hour for commute 7 hours for??? food prep, laundry, cleaning. even all of that doesn't take 7 hours. and you can say socialize, well, are you going out every day? if adults are as busy as you claim how can they go out every day? on weekends would be more likely, but even then, are you hanging out for 16 hours? tbh i dont get YOUR point of view just because youre an adult u cant watch streams regularly? for a lot of people its a hobby, and one with over 10 years of history following. people make time for what they like. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26028 Posts
Guys like Harstem for example, or uThermal. You get better bang for your buck collecting a bunch of material, editing it decently and sticking out digestible material than trying to do that with marathon streams. I’m still personally interested in watching top tier players just stream gameplay but I’m unsure it really pays much in terms of bills and it gives a lot of your habits away for the real serious tournament contenders | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1213 Posts
On January 11 2025 06:22 CicadaSC wrote: well i think the biggest factor is not everyone has a family. even if we are older viewers you still get a decent amount of free time. lets say 8 hours a day for work, 1 hour for commute 7 hours for??? food prep, laundry, cleaning. even all of that doesn't take 7 hours. and you can say socialize, well, are you going out every day? if adults are as busy as you claim how can they go out every day? on weekends would be more likely, but even then, are you hanging out for 16 hours? tbh i dont get YOUR point of view just because youre an adult u cant watch streams regularly? for a lot of people its a hobby, and one with over 10 years of history following. people make time for what they like. You're misunderstanding his point. He says that the format of a SC2 gaming stream is ill-suited to anyone with an active lifestyle. Also it's funny how you portray a healthy adult life as an anomaly, lol. A stream is a long session of mostly nondescript games from the first-person view with limited and often sporadic commentary. It tells no coherent story, nor is it particularly entertaining throughout. And it is only live according to a schedule. Of course, streams are great if you're interested in the ins and outs of the gameplay, or if you enjoy connecting to the player, or if you like to kill time by hanging out in the chat. But nothing of this is of interest to someone with a busy life who can make room for an hour or so of watching SC2 content every other day. In contrast, SC2 casts on YouTube are pointed and entertaining; they tell a story and have a beginning and an end; they are always available; and they usually do not require more than 30-45 minutes. And by the way, the fact that he's right is in the numbers. It is the point of this thread that relatively few people watch SC2 streams anymore (excluding tournaments, of course). But mainstream SC2 YouTubers like Winter and Lowko post daily or nearly daily videos still consistently achieving thousands and tens of thousands or more views. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1823 Posts
On January 11 2025 13:22 Antithesis wrote: You're misunderstanding his point. He says that the format of a SC2 gaming stream is ill-suited to anyone with an active lifestyle. Also it's funny how you portray a healthy adult life as an anomaly, lol. A stream is a long session of mostly nondescript games from the first-person view with limited and often sporadic commentary. It tells no coherent story, nor is it particularly entertaining throughout. And it is only live according to a schedule. Of course, streams are great if you're interested in the ins and outs of the gameplay, or if you enjoy connecting to the player, or if you like to kill time by hanging out in the chat. But nothing of this is of interest to someone with a busy life who can make room for an hour or so of watching SC2 content every other day. In contrast, SC2 casts on YouTube are pointed and entertaining; they tell a story and have a beginning and an end; they are always available; and they usually do not require more than 30-45 minutes. And by the way, the fact that he's right is in the numbers. It is the point of this thread that relatively few people watch SC2 streams anymore (excluding tournaments, of course). But mainstream SC2 YouTubers like Winter and Lowko post daily or nearly daily videos still consistently achieving thousands and tens of thousands or more views. Work, house chores, shopping, food prep, socialization. Those are the gist of it no? Excluding a family which I mentioned. What part is funny? And I'm genuinely asking because I can't think of what else "normal" people do. In this scenario, if you include hobbies, that's where I plugged in gaming. | ||
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PsiBlade1010
13 Posts
. But I cant see finiding time to watch streams, and your calculation of adult life seems a bit lacking for me. if you count 8 hours work, hygiene (shower, washing etc), food preparation, food eating, at least 30 minutes physical activity,daily house chores, shopping, bills, at least abit of social life, a bit of other hobbies... It all adds up.If yuo find time for watchign streams regularly , im happy for you. For me it seems impossible. | ||
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PsiBlade1010
13 Posts
On January 11 2025 13:22 Antithesis wrote: You're misunderstanding his point. He says that the format of a SC2 gaming stream is ill-suited to anyone with an active lifestyle. Also it's funny how you portray a healthy adult life as an anomaly, lol. A stream is a long session of mostly nondescript games from the first-person view with limited and often sporadic commentary. It tells no coherent story, nor is it particularly entertaining throughout. And it is only live according to a schedule. Of course, streams are great if you're interested in the ins and outs of the gameplay, or if you enjoy connecting to the player, or if you like to kill time by hanging out in the chat. But nothing of this is of interest to someone with a busy life who can make room for an hour or so of watching SC2 content every other day. In contrast, SC2 casts on YouTube are pointed and entertaining; they tell a story and have a beginning and an end; they are always available; and they usually do not require more than 30-45 minutes. And by the way, the fact that he's right is in the numbers. It is the point of this thread that relatively few people watch SC2 streams anymore (excluding tournaments, of course). But mainstream SC2 YouTubers like Winter and Lowko post daily or nearly daily videos still consistently achieving thousands and tens of thousands or more views. Thank yuo for putting to words better then me what i meant, thats pretty much the gist of it. Thikning more upon it, maybe streaming was more fitting when sc2 community was young and had more time, nowadays, imho yuotube content seems more fitting. I might be wrong ofc, thats just my view. | ||
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