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On October 14 2012 02:24 teamsolid wrote:
The amount of victim blaming in this thread just makes me completely sick. I had no idea so many people in this world lack empathy.
I can see where they are coming from - to some extent, and only some. When I first saw this story, I didn't post because my gut reaction was something along the lines of "stupid ho, who cares if she's gone" etc etc. Then I slept on it, woke up, and immediately punched myself in the face. Hard. Yeah she made stupid decisions, but think about it: Who HASN'T? We were all young once; we've all done stupid things when we should have known better. Every single one of us. Her stupid decisions are no excuse for the abuse she received. Nobody deserves what happened to her. Period.
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On October 14 2012 02:04 Oreo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote:
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that. She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions. I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her.
Tell me not to assume so much.
Assumes so much themselves.
Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame.
You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
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On October 14 2012 02:30 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:24 teamsolid wrote:
The amount of victim blaming in this thread just makes me completely sick. I had no idea so many people in this world lack empathy. I can see where they are coming from - to some extent, and only some. When I first saw this story, I didn't post because my gut reaction was something along the lines of "stupid ho, who cares if she's gone" etc etc. Then I slept on it, woke up, and immediately punched myself in the face. Hard. Yeah she made stupid decisions, but think about it: Who HASN'T? We were all young once; we've all done stupid things when we should have known better. Every single one of us. Her stupid decisions are no excuse for the abuse she received. Nobody deserves what happened to her. Period.
Everyone makes mistakes, everyone has shit happen to them.
But most of us put our heads down and get on with it because there are far more important things in the world than some kids being assholes. Killing yourself is just stupid. Especially when it stems from getting your tits out on webcam to a bunch of strangers.
It makes people with real mental health issues who are at risk from suicide every day seem less significant that this is so popularised. People need to straighten out their priorities.
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On October 14 2012 02:35 Krohm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:04 Oreo7 wrote:On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote:
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that. She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions. I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her. Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves. Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame. You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
It's true...I remember being tormented that way back when I was around her age and I really did try to cut myself off from everyone to make the pain stop. But unlike her I made -sure- I didn't do anything stupid. I feel sorry for her, because the stalking issue was just creepy and horrible, and I know what it's like to literally be the laughingstock of the entire school, but sleeping with a boy who she knew full well had a girlfriend? (At that age????) And then wondering why she was labeled as...well, a slut? That's the one thing I cannot find an excuse for. She didn't deserve what happened to her, I will not say that nor will you EVER hear me say that, but...she's just not as blameless as so many people make her out to be.
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On October 14 2012 02:35 Krohm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:04 Oreo7 wrote:On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote:
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that. She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions. I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her. Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves. Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame. You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're also part of the "if girls dress revealing they invite rape onto themselves" crowd as-well.
Am I right?
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On October 14 2012 02:35 Krohm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:04 Oreo7 wrote:On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote:
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that. She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions. I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her. Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves. Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame. You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do.
It seems strange bizarre and wrong to you and I that she cut herself off and that she showed her breasts over the internet. You blame a young girl for making those decisions, I say that their were other factors in her life that caused her to make those decisions and, as a child, she shouldn't be held responsible. She didn't make conscience decisions to cut herself off or to flash that guy; she did it because of unconscious forces that she has no control over.
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On October 14 2012 02:42 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:35 Krohm wrote:On October 14 2012 02:04 Oreo7 wrote:On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote:
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that. She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions. I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her. Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves. Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame. You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do. It's true...I remember being tormented that way back when I was around her age and I really did try to cut myself off from everyone to make the pain stop. But unlike her I made -sure- I didn't do anything stupid. I feel sorry for her, because the stalking issue was just creepy and horrible, and I know what it's like to literally be the laughingstock of the entire school, but sleeping with a boy who she knew full well had a girlfriend? (At that age????) And then wondering why she was labeled as...well, a slut? That's the one thing I cannot find an excuse for. She didn't deserve what happened to her, I will not say that nor will you EVER hear me say that, but...she's just not as blameless as so many people make her out to be.
I think it's fairly obvious she slept with that boy because she was incapable of giving her own life validation herself and tried to find it in that boy. The problem here is bad parenting combined with a shitty environment that punished her for needing others to find fulfillment which isn't healthy, but not many kids can do that at that age.
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On October 14 2012 02:49 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:35 Krohm wrote:On October 14 2012 02:04 Oreo7 wrote:On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote:
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that. She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions. I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her. Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves. Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame. You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're also part of the "if girls dress revealing they invite rape onto themselves" crowd as-well. Am I right?
I KNEW this would come up. -settles down and waits for the flame war to begin-
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On October 14 2012 02:51 Oreo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:42 tMomiji wrote:On October 14 2012 02:35 Krohm wrote:On October 14 2012 02:04 Oreo7 wrote:On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote:
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that. She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions. I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her. Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves. Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame. You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do. It's true...I remember being tormented that way back when I was around her age and I really did try to cut myself off from everyone to make the pain stop. But unlike her I made -sure- I didn't do anything stupid. I feel sorry for her, because the stalking issue was just creepy and horrible, and I know what it's like to literally be the laughingstock of the entire school, but sleeping with a boy who she knew full well had a girlfriend? (At that age????) And then wondering why she was labeled as...well, a slut? That's the one thing I cannot find an excuse for. She didn't deserve what happened to her, I will not say that nor will you EVER hear me say that, but...she's just not as blameless as so many people make her out to be. I think it's fairly obvious she slept with that boy because she was incapable of giving her own life validation herself and tried to find it in that boy. The problem here is bad parenting combined with a shitty environment that punished her for needing others to find fulfillment which isn't healthy, but not many kids can do that at that age.
You may be right, but I'll always remain torn. Perhaps I'm just cold and harsh in judging others because others have been cold and harsh in judging me through my life, haha. All I can say for sure is that she didn't *deserve* what happened to her. Did she invite it? Personally I think so, but it's still a matter for debate. Is she to blame? Partially, but the bastard who stalked her is much more so to blame. Shame on him. Should she have known better? I think absolutely yes.
Did she deserve it?
NO!!!!!
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On October 14 2012 02:49 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:35 Krohm wrote:On October 14 2012 02:04 Oreo7 wrote:On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote:
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that. She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions. I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her. Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves. Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame. You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're also part of the "if girls dress revealing they invite rape onto themselves" crowd as-well. Am I right?
Get out. That is the best response you're going to get from me.
On October 14 2012 02:50 Oreo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:35 Krohm wrote:On October 14 2012 02:04 Oreo7 wrote:On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote:
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that. She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions. I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her. Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves. Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame. You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do. It seems strange bizarre and wrong to you and I that she cut herself off and that she showed her breasts over the internet. You blame a young girl for making those decisions, I say that their were other factors in her life that caused her to make those decisions and, as a child, she shouldn't be held responsible. She didn't make conscience decisions to cut herself off or to flash that guy; she did it because of unconscious forces that she has no control over.
Once again you're deflecting all the blame.
"She didn't make conscience decisions to cut herself off or to flash that guy; she did it because of unconscious forces that she has no control over."
This makes my brain hurt. I can't believe people actually think this.
"and, as a child, she shouldn't be held responsible."
By that logic teenagers who murder people shouldn't be held accountable by their actions.
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On October 14 2012 02:02 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:36 Gigaudas wrote:On October 14 2012 01:29 Eisregen wrote:On October 14 2012 01:19 tMomiji wrote:
Yes, she made incredibly stupid mistakes. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, in a way she brought this on herself.
She brought it on herself to get harrassed and her life ruined multiple times by the same person? That is interesting. I'd see the ppl at fault who obviously had the goal to ruin someone's life. None of the statements you quoted were false. tMomiji made perfectly clear that she was not at fault. Why would you cut of his quote? I guess people like to twist words. Thank you for seeing this.
Didnt twist anything.
Nowhere in his post did he make it clear that it was not her fault. Instead, he drops this nice sentence here:
Yes, she made incredibly stupid mistakes. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, in a way she brought this on herself.
Followed by a funny BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHE DESERVED *ANY* OF WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH. There is a BIG difference
Flashing titts may not be the smartest decision, but it is absolutely NOT her responsibility that some messed up ppl go on a harrass spree and she did NOT bring this on herself.
If one of my ex gfs actually took a pic of my dick and would now try to ruin my life, am I responsible for that in a way? :D
Am I really responsible for other ppl's utterly useless below mustard IQ? 
Even though I am not a native english speaking person, but meaning sth. and the written down sentence often exclude themselves.
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You may be right, but I'll always remain torn. Perhaps I'm just cold and harsh in judging others because others have been cold and harsh in judging me through my life, haha. All I can say for sure is that she didn't *deserve* what happened to her. Did she invite it? Personally I think so, but it's still a matter for debate. Is she to blame? Partially, but the bastard who stalked her is much more so to blame. Shame on him. Should she have known better? I think absolutely yes.
Did she deserve it?
NO!!!!!
This pretty much sums up all my reactions to this, anyone, regardless of age should never give out personal information over the internet or send pictures of yourself, tits or no tits. Also, randomly hooking up for sex, especially in high school can never, ever end well.
On another note, I find it interesting that the original description of the video says she wants to be an inspiration to others to be strong. Yet she killed herself anyway, is there possibly something after the video that we don't know. Anyone have any other info to add to this thread?
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On October 14 2012 03:06 Eisregen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:02 tMomiji wrote:On October 14 2012 01:36 Gigaudas wrote:On October 14 2012 01:29 Eisregen wrote:On October 14 2012 01:19 tMomiji wrote:
Yes, she made incredibly stupid mistakes. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, in a way she brought this on herself.
She brought it on herself to get harrassed and her life ruined multiple times by the same person? That is interesting. I'd see the ppl at fault who obviously had the goal to ruin someone's life. None of the statements you quoted were false. tMomiji made perfectly clear that she was not at fault. Why would you cut of his quote? I guess people like to twist words. Thank you for seeing this. Didnt twist anything. Nowhere in his post did he make it clear that it was not her fault. Instead, he drops this nice sentence here: Show nested quote +Yes, she made incredibly stupid mistakes. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, in a way she brought this on herself. Followed by a funny Show nested quote +BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHE DESERVED *ANY* OF WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH. There is a BIG difference Flashing titts may not be the smartest decision, but it is absolutely NOT her responsibility that some messed up ppl go on a harrass spree and she did NOT bring this on herself. If one of my ex gfs actually took a pic of my dick and would now try to ruin my life, am I responsible for that in a way? :D Am I really responsible for other ppl's utterly useless below mustard IQ? Even though I am not a native english speaking person, but meaning sth. and the written down sentence often exclude themselves.
...What?
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I think this thread needs more moderation
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On October 14 2012 03:28 isaachukfan wrote:
I think this thread needs more moderation
Maybe...it has the potential to go sour, certainly. Seems to be right on the edge.
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On October 14 2012 02:15 Mykill wrote:
only the stupid commit suicide.
No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER?
Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being.
What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic.
@Below:
I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious.
I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions.
From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent.
But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death.
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On October 14 2012 03:30 Scholera wrote:No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around.
Don't take this the wrong way, but i'd like to see some proof for that statement, i know some very dumb and very depressed people.
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They should find that asshole and arrest him for possession and distribution of child pornography
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On October 14 2012 02:24 teamsolid wrote:
The amount of victim blaming in this thread just makes me completely sick. I had no idea so many people in this world lack empathy.
In this particular case, while I don't agree, I understand where they're coming from. She made a lot of bad decisions which led to the clusterfuck that was the last part of her life.
The fact that she was bullied is sad and shouldn't happen, but it was... foreseeable 
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On October 14 2012 03:30 Scholera wrote:No. This comment is so incredibly ignorant. DEPRESSED people commit suicide, which has been proven to be highly correlated with intelligence, actually, not the other way around. And, WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD?! Holy fucking shit... you can see which people on here are bullies themselves. This girl, showed someone her breasts out of trust and need for approval as a kid, and got persecuted until she felt so alone in this world that she couldn't face the pain of living in it any more, and you people are actually putting it in the same sentence as fucking MURDER? Every comment insulting this girl is what's wrong with society. So many idiots putting out so much judgement and so little fucking love for another struggling human being. What kind of person can't find empathy for people in her situation? Are you all dead inside? This subject really shows the fundamental in division between people who are angry at her for her pain and people who are sympathetic. @Below: I've seen many studies on it, especially relating to children and adolescents with exceptionally high IQs, I suggest you look into it. How do you know they're dumb and depressed by the way, these people you know? I'm curious. I've not highly noted the sources of these studies myself, because I wasn't planning to use them in a debate, and I wasn't skeptical of them myself simply due to my own personal experience and large interest in artists and poetry which supports my preconceived notions. From everything I've seen, the greatest artists have all battled with suicidal tendencies and depression, as well as being incredibly talented and intelligent. But at the end of the day, intelligence isn't what matters. Some people just crave the love of other human beings, and when they feel truly alone, they no longer have a way to cope with the painful realities of isolation and death.
Thanks for posting this. This is whats wrong with this thread I cant understand these people its just horrible.
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