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On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
As horrible as it is to say this it's because she's an attractive white girl. Look up missing white woman syndrome.
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On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
not everyone is strong willed like you... if you don't care about a "weak willed" person, good for you
a young teenager makes a mistake and as a result gets stalked, extorted, blackmailed, gets the shit kicked out of her, and stalked even after moving through two different schools. she's just a kid, but i guess she should have been a "stronger willed" kid
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On October 14 2012 10:02 simmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences. not everyone is strong willed like you... if you don't care about a "weak willed" person, good for you a young teenager makes a mistake and as a result gets stalked, extorted, blackmailed, gets the shit kicked out of her, and stalked even after moving through two different schools. she's just a kid, but i guess she should have been a "stronger willed" kid
shouldve gone to a parent about it, shouldnt have done it in the first place. could throw those around all day, i just dont see what is so special about her case. this stuff happens a lot, and no one else gives the coverage to those people. there are entire organizations devoted to stopping bullying that get less coverage than this story.
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This story is incredibly sad, I have a lot of empathy for the girl, and I can't believe people are calling her "stupid" and saying "she deserved it" or whatever as if you've never done anything retarded when you were 12 years old. Hell, people do stupid shit at age 16, 18, 20, etc. and still they don't deserve a fate like this.
To the asshole(s) who said that they can't feel sympathy because they were bullied too, just for being themselves, or for more valid reasons, you are truly the worst kind of person. I was bullied as well, for "being myself", but that's still a choice I made to follow my own path and not attempt to fit in. I brought it on myself. Everyone who is bullied does, in some way. Anyone can avoid bullying if they really try to, but it's simply unrealistic to expect a young child to have that kind of willpower, and that's why we try to stop the bullies instead of telling those who are bullied to change themselves or grow a pair.
That being said, I don't feel like this is really a case of "bullying", per se. This is one creeper who extorted her and ruined her life (and if I ever find him in person, I'll cut his throat), knowing that it's within kids' nature to turn against her after discovering such a thing, and just not giving a fuck. I guess what I'm trying to say is that this boils down to apathy. I'm not in high school anymore, but if I were, and I saw a girl going through a hard time because of some irrelevant mistake like flashing her boobs, I'd help her out. Most of the problem was within her own mind, and though I believe she could've fought through it, it's really up to those around her to support her and tell her it's not such a big deal.
As parents of future generations, all we can really do is to teach our kids to help those who are going through a tough time, and show empathy towards others.
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On October 14 2012 09:46 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 14 2012 09:29 ImadeThisForYou wrote:
Too funny people saying it was selfish. Where were you when she was feeling suicidal? Exactly...
Please, feel free to get on my level. Not knowing her, which is why I do not (and cannot) feel any empathy for her death. If she said something or told someone, then she would prolly be alive and still nobody would know her. I think there's something that video isn't telling us. A second side of the story, just like with Kony and Trayvon Martin. I was talking to my girlfriend today about this actually. We will only ever get one side of the story. If anyone says anything even remotely negative about this girl people will ask for their head on a pike. Hell my gfs sister met her a few times and she said that she was just really bitchy to everyone. It's impossible to judge what really happened. I find it hard to believe there was tons of hate messages on her facebook saying use better bleach and shit because it's so public. Any parent or school administrator who was informed of the bullying would see that in half a second.
She could have been the most obnoxious human being in the world but it still doesn't justify how she was treated by other students.
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On October 14 2012 09:46 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 14 2012 09:29 ImadeThisForYou wrote:
Too funny people saying it was selfish. Where were you when she was feeling suicidal? Exactly...
Please, feel free to get on my level. Not knowing her, which is why I do not (and cannot) feel any empathy for her death. If she said something or told someone, then she would prolly be alive and still nobody would know her. I think there's something that video isn't telling us. A second side of the story, just like with Kony and Trayvon Martin. I was talking to my girlfriend today about this actually. We will only ever get one side of the story. If anyone says anything even remotely negative about this girl people will ask for their head on a pike. Hell my gfs sister met her a few times and she said that she was just really bitchy to everyone. It's impossible to judge what really happened. I find it hard to believe there was tons of hate messages on her facebook saying use better bleach and shit because it's so public. Any parent or school administrator who was informed of the bullying would see that in half a second.
There are tons of bitchy/whiny 13-15 year-olds in middle/high school. There are even slutty ones who sleep around the whole school. I'm pretty sure most of them don't get bullied by everyone for it. Why does she deserve it?
I am guessing those hateful messages on facebook are PMs/SMS or emails.
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What annoys me about this story, and every other one like it, is that bullying and suicide has become yet another bandwagon that people can hop on and off of whenever a juicy story hits the front page.
Hundreds of thousands of people show their "support", whatever that's supposed to be worth, but do the parents who are posting their empathy stop and talk to their own kids about being mean? Do the kids and teenagers actually consider their own actions? Or does everyone just turn a blind eye and pretend their kids aren't part of the problem and their own attitudes are horrible.
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On October 14 2012 10:02 simmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences. not everyone is strong willed like you... if you don't care about a "weak willed" person, good for you a young teenager makes a mistake and as a result gets stalked, extorted, blackmailed, gets the shit kicked out of her, and stalked even after moving through two different schools. she's just a kid, but i guess she should have been a "stronger willed" kid
I concur with the weak willed statement, it's a sentiment I've supported for a long time now.
She could have been stronger willed but the ultimate problem lies in parenting. Even if she is a "kid", for what reason did she believe it was a good idea to randomly webchat with strangers on the internet and expose herself. That was a bad move, period, there's no other way to look at it. This isn't a reason to excuse the bullies, bullying is wrong anyways. But, the problem is the younger generations now seem to have a lack of understanding of the word: consequence. Whether through the school system or better parenting, that idea needs to be reinforced so children understand actions carry a weight and promote them to think and act logically.
The same thing goes on with the phenomenon of slut shaming. If you don't want to be called a slut, don't set your facebook profile to a shot of you in a thong, don't dress provocatively to the point were the areola is one shaky foot step away, don't act skanky and sexually touch the opposite gender all the time. However, they will do so, and then get angry at being called a slut, not realizing there's consequence to their choice and if they don't want to be stereotyped as that, then don't behave/dress like them. You don't see individuals in the professional world dressing in any way that associates them with a bad group. It applies to these girls as well.
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On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
There's nothing special about this except that she's a 'white girl'. Welcome to AmeriKKKa.
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On October 14 2012 09:52 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences. As horrible as it is to say this it's because she's an attractive white girl. Look up missing white woman syndrome.
Things blow up like this because they reach the media and the media runs with it. While what you say might be true (she looked more Asian than Caucasian to me anyways), I think people when complaining about this stuff highly underestimate the variable of randomness.
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On October 14 2012 10:08 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:46 tokicheese wrote:On October 14 2012 09:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 14 2012 09:29 ImadeThisForYou wrote:
Too funny people saying it was selfish. Where were you when she was feeling suicidal? Exactly...
Please, feel free to get on my level. Not knowing her, which is why I do not (and cannot) feel any empathy for her death. If she said something or told someone, then she would prolly be alive and still nobody would know her. I think there's something that video isn't telling us. A second side of the story, just like with Kony and Trayvon Martin. I was talking to my girlfriend today about this actually. We will only ever get one side of the story. If anyone says anything even remotely negative about this girl people will ask for their head on a pike. Hell my gfs sister met her a few times and she said that she was just really bitchy to everyone. It's impossible to judge what really happened. I find it hard to believe there was tons of hate messages on her facebook saying use better bleach and shit because it's so public. Any parent or school administrator who was informed of the bullying would see that in half a second. She could have been the most obnoxious human being in the world but it still doesn't justify how she was treated by other students.
How do you know she wasn't lying about her treatment?
You won't ever find out because if someone even though about coming forward with evidence that she was full of shit they would be crucified
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On October 14 2012 10:18 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:46 tokicheese wrote:On October 14 2012 09:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 14 2012 09:29 ImadeThisForYou wrote:
Too funny people saying it was selfish. Where were you when she was feeling suicidal? Exactly...
Please, feel free to get on my level. Not knowing her, which is why I do not (and cannot) feel any empathy for her death. If she said something or told someone, then she would prolly be alive and still nobody would know her. I think there's something that video isn't telling us. A second side of the story, just like with Kony and Trayvon Martin. I was talking to my girlfriend today about this actually. We will only ever get one side of the story. If anyone says anything even remotely negative about this girl people will ask for their head on a pike. Hell my gfs sister met her a few times and she said that she was just really bitchy to everyone. It's impossible to judge what really happened. I find it hard to believe there was tons of hate messages on her facebook saying use better bleach and shit because it's so public. Any parent or school administrator who was informed of the bullying would see that in half a second. There are tons of bitchy/whiny 13-15 year-olds in middle/high school. There are even slutty ones who sleep around the whole school. I'm pretty sure most of them don't get bullied by everyone for it. Why does she deserve it? I am guessing those hateful messages on facebook are PMs/SMS or emails.
So there should be shitloads of evidence then right? It's not hard to get into someones face book account or look at their phone history. She claimed people were celebrating her attempted suicide on her wall how would that be difficult to see?
I realize I look like a huge dick for asking these questions but I can't believe that the school and administration would miss these massive massive signs of bullying. She got the shit kicked out of her at school by a bunch of kids how would that get missed? If someone is that incompetent in the counselling department at both schools they NEED to be canned.
Bullying is a criminal offence in BC ESPECIALLY physical assault.
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On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences.
Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies....
WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up. I mean, really? It'd turn my stomach to hear that being said about a grown ass man, but your talking about a young girl who spent years, the entirety of her teen life going through this experience, being taught that all of life is pain.
You make me sick, but if you were to die now I'd still be sympathetic, sorrowful, etc, it shocks me to hear that you can't find an ounce of compassion in your soul.
People don't say "LOL IM GONNA KILL MYSELF NOW COS PEOPLE ARE MEAN TO ME AFTER A MISTAKE I MADE"
Nobody wants to do that... the natural will to live is as strong in these people as it is is anyone else, they've just lost all hope in a future of anything but internal agony.
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On October 14 2012 11:27 Scholera wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences. Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies.... WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up.
You act like your crying for her. Do you honestly care if she died? Do you start crying when you hear about soldiers being killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? What about the children in Syria? Or the innocent children killed in the drug war in mexico? I know you don't because it is physically impossible to care for 6 billion people as if they are your family.
If anything I am angrier at the kids that did this too her than I feel sorry for her. Don't get me wrong this is a tragedy for her family and I do extend my best wishes to them and I wish things could be different but I'm sure she would rather her death be used to help the people who are suffering what she did rather than a massive pity party.
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On October 13 2012 04:23 killa_robot wrote:Granted, the bullying was undeserved, and I feel sorry for her for that, but it's really hard to sympathize with her when she just continued to make the same mistakes and then was stupid enough to kill herself.
(for reference, I'm quoting the part of the post that I disagree with, but in the whole post isn't so extreme, don't rail on killa because of what I've quoted out of context)
I understand this sentiment as well. I felt this way for a while, but then I realized we're talking about a girl who is between the ages of 11 and 13 between the two really bad incidents.
No one would say the decisions she made were smart, or that she always did the right thing and never deserved any resentment from any of her peers... but at the end of the day we're talking about a child who clearly and obviously DESPERATELY craved love of someone she could respect.
Her video only mildly touches on it, but her parents were separated for most of her childhood, and when you see her behavior it's clear that her upbringing clearly had some really rough times. She was depressed because of her family situation even before she started making bad choices, before they started snapping back at her, but obviously those are the proverbial straws that broke the camel's back.
There are so many things wrong with her picture. Bullying definitely didn't help things, but it's not the end of the story either.
In the end, how much of the blame can you really lay on a child who hurt herself by doing stupid things? We don't say the kids who drink the blue stuff under the sink got what they deserved! They're still too young to know the gravity of what their actions mean. Same thing here.
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On October 14 2012 11:34 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 11:27 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences. Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies.... WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up. You act like your crying for her. Do you honestly care if she died? Do you start crying when you hear about soldiers being killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? What about the children in Syria? Or the innocent children killed in the drug war in mexico? I know you don't because it is physically impossible to care for 6 billion people as if they are your family. If anything I am angrier at the kids that did this too her than I feel sorry for her. Don't get me wrong this is a tragedy for her family and I do extend my best wishes to them and I wish things could be different but I'm sure she would rather her death be used to help the people who are suffering what she did rather than a massive pity party.
I did cry for her. Soldiers being killed in Iran and Afghanistan is different for so many different reasons... you're talking about adults who signed up to get paid to go war and kill hundreds of thousands of asian civilians who got killed in battle by political/ideological warriors that opposed them. But I'd still never in a million years say I felt no sympathy for them. Their families who lost a loved one as well as the souls on the battlefield who may have had so many other unfulfilled dreams.
I can't pretend that this didn't affect me more because I'm a young person in western society, I can relate to this story to a much further extent. Also, unlike those, this is so much more easily preventable and just a sad reflection of our society. Also, suicide =/= murder. Suicide is special because it's so much different what drives someone to take their own life than the simple spite of taking someone else's.
I.E: It's more significant to me, the depression she faced for 2 years in order to be driven to kill herself, than her death itself.
They are my family. We're all family. And this world is fucking crazy, every action creates a different result so all we can do is go along with it, and play out our lives with exercising as much of the love inside us as humanly possible.
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On October 14 2012 11:36 Scholera wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 11:34 tokicheese wrote:On October 14 2012 11:27 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences. Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies.... WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up. You act like your crying for her. Do you honestly care if she died? Do you start crying when you hear about soldiers being killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? What about the children in Syria? Or the innocent children killed in the drug war in mexico? I know you don't because it is physically impossible to care for 6 billion people as if they are your family. If anything I am angrier at the kids that did this too her than I feel sorry for her. Don't get me wrong this is a tragedy for her family and I do extend my best wishes to them and I wish things could be different but I'm sure she would rather her death be used to help the people who are suffering what she did rather than a massive pity party. + Show Spoiler +I did cry for her. Soldiers being killed in Iran and Afghanistan is different for so many different reasons... you're talking about adults who signed up to get paid to go war and kill hundreds of thousands of asian civilians who got killed in battle by political/ideological warriors that opposed them. But I'd still never in a million years say I felt no sympathy for them. Their families who lost a loved one as well as the souls on the battlefield who may have had so many other unfulfilled dreams. I can't pretend that this didn't affect me more because I'm a young person in western society, I can relate to this story to a much further extent. Also, unlike those, this is so much more easily preventable and just a sad reflection of our society. Also, suicide =/= murder. Suicide is special because it's so much different what drives someone to take their own life than the simple spite of taking someone else's. I.E: It's more significant to me, the depression she faced for 2 years in order to be driven to kill herself, than her death itself. They are my family. We're all family. And this world is fucking crazy, every action creates a different result so all we can do is go along with it, and play out our lives with exercising as much of the love inside us as humanly possible. ![[image loading]](http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0131/9332/products/ATM_FAMILY_MAROON_FRONT_grande.jpg?22674) ^ I love my shirt
I would argue that it could be considered a murder morally if a specific person drove her to kill herself.
I'll admit the soldiers were a shitty example but you totally ignored the children in Mexico and Syria who were murdered in cold blood. Why do you feel so much more emotion for this random girl who is possible halfway across the continent rather than a child who lived in a border town in Mexico.
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^ You could argue that, but the thing is I'm not really interested in the wrong actions that the other people took, or having any anger with them. I'm just sad about the despair this beautiful young person faced and remorseful that there's nothing any of us can do now to help them.
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I think a lot of you are taking this on from a somewhat logical 20+ year old male point of view. Please don't make assumptions about her if you don't know what it's like to be a 13-15 year old female.
I feel for her, because everyone does stupid things and makes mistakes in their lives. Unfortunately, she was just extraordinarily reprimanded for her actions by bullies who probably don't realize how much they affected her. Do you really think that those kids who sent her messages like "I hope you die" really meant it? Years from now, those words are going to haunt them when they think back to this situation. Human beings are brutal, teens especially.
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On October 14 2012 11:54 lilsusie wrote:
I think a lot of you are taking this on from a somewhat logical 20+ year old male point of view. Please don't make assumptions about her if you don't know what it's like to be a 13-15 year old female.
I feel for her, because everyone does stupid things and makes mistakes in their lives. Unfortunately, she was just extraordinarily reprimanded for her actions by bullies who probably don't realize how much they affected her. Do you really think that those kids who sent her messages like "I hope you die" really meant it? Years from now, those words are going to haunt them when they think back to this situation. Human beings are brutal, teens especially.
Yes I do think that the kids who said I hope you die ment it. They are fucking kids! Kids these days have never been more cruel, more undisiplined and more hateful.
School cannt punish kids the way they need to so the problem won't ever be fixed. Unbanning the strap for usage would be a great way to fix the problem.
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