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On October 14 2012 15:04 PrideNeverDie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote:
I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like. it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions
So brave and judgemental from behind that computer screen over there, huh?
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On October 14 2012 15:04 PrideNeverDie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote:
I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like. it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions
'is it common' and 'it's not uncommon' is sort of the same thing, bro.
That aside, I absolutely disagree with you that, firstly, flashing someone as a child is hypersexual or amoral and that, even if it were, it would be wrong for a woman to be either of these things. Hypersexuality as defined by an unusually high sex drive is only very loosely related to this sort of behavior; it's much more about looking for love and approval in places where you one shouldn't, at an age where you don't yet know any better. And yet maybe if society didn't place so much value on a woman's sexuality, what women's bodies looked like, and what men she's seeing or getting approval from, we wouldn't have so many teenage girls seeking to define themselves through their bodies in the first place. As for 'amoral,' I take it you have never watched any porn, then? lol.
You obviously have issues with women's sexuality, though. That's okay. I'm sorry she hurt you, whoever she was.
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On October 14 2012 11:45 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 11:36 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 11:34 tokicheese wrote:On October 14 2012 11:27 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences. Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies.... WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up. You act like your crying for her. Do you honestly care if she died? Do you start crying when you hear about soldiers being killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? What about the children in Syria? Or the innocent children killed in the drug war in mexico? I know you don't because it is physically impossible to care for 6 billion people as if they are your family. If anything I am angrier at the kids that did this too her than I feel sorry for her. Don't get me wrong this is a tragedy for her family and I do extend my best wishes to them and I wish things could be different but I'm sure she would rather her death be used to help the people who are suffering what she did rather than a massive pity party. + Show Spoiler +I did cry for her. Soldiers being killed in Iran and Afghanistan is different for so many different reasons... you're talking about adults who signed up to get paid to go war and kill hundreds of thousands of asian civilians who got killed in battle by political/ideological warriors that opposed them. But I'd still never in a million years say I felt no sympathy for them. Their families who lost a loved one as well as the souls on the battlefield who may have had so many other unfulfilled dreams. I can't pretend that this didn't affect me more because I'm a young person in western society, I can relate to this story to a much further extent. Also, unlike those, this is so much more easily preventable and just a sad reflection of our society. Also, suicide =/= murder. Suicide is special because it's so much different what drives someone to take their own life than the simple spite of taking someone else's. I.E: It's more significant to me, the depression she faced for 2 years in order to be driven to kill herself, than her death itself. They are my family. We're all family. And this world is fucking crazy, every action creates a different result so all we can do is go along with it, and play out our lives with exercising as much of the love inside us as humanly possible. ![[image loading]](http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0131/9332/products/ATM_FAMILY_MAROON_FRONT_grande.jpg?22674) ^ I love my shirt I would argue that it could be considered a murder morally if a specific person drove her to kill herself. I'll admit the soldiers were a shitty example but you totally ignored the children in Mexico and Syria who were murdered in cold blood. Why do you feel so much more emotion for this random girl who is possible halfway across the continent rather than a child who lived in a border town in Mexico.
Because we know her story. When I hear the stories of many of those children I feel equally saddened and spend time/effort attempting to help them. In many cases however, more effort is going to be put into cases like this, because it's more reachable on an individual level. It takes a huge amount of logistics to make a difference in Mexico or Syria. Most people don't even know where to get started.
The problem I have is that people like you say "why do you bleeding hearts think any of us should put any effort in now when we didn't before?" And it's fundamentally wrong. People are constantly putting effort into making the world a better place. New stories like this are constantly precipitating people to new positive actions they weren't undertaking before because they awaken us to experiences that we understand from our own lives, or to issues we weren't previously aware of, or to caveats in the actions that we were already taking that we didn't think of before hand. The few find it offensive that people would ask them to stop being lazy and rather make a positive difference in the world, not the majority. And frankly, that's pretty much the worst reason to be offended I can think of.
It's an absolutely HORRIBLE ideology to live by "things will still go wrong tomorrow, so why even bother trying today?" On every level, it's bad philosophy.
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this shit pisses me off so much.. i go on facebook and i see tons of people freaking out over amanda todd, saying how bad they feel.. they have no idea what the real internet is like, they have no idea that amanda was big in tinychat and 4chan. they're just fucking blindly bandwagoning, and they're going to end up crucifying the internet.
you know what caused amanda todd's suicide? it was her classmates, not this idiot online sending pictures of her boobs around. it was the culture around her that told them it was okay to do that shit. yet they all get this bullshit pass, putting off society's problem onto the internet. i would have been this girl's friend, i would have messaged her on the 9th, the day before she drank that bleach. and you know what? i would have been able to connect with her because we both derived our culture from the internet. society defends her but they have no idea wtf they're defending, she was an internet girl through and through.
i grieve for the loss of one of our own, not for the loss of another human.. as far as i'm concerned, people who don't frequent the internet have no perspective. i hope that eventually i can have an equitable reason to drink bleach, because normal society sure justified her doing it..
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On October 14 2012 15:23 Sawajiri wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:04 PrideNeverDie wrote:On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote:
I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like. it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions 'is it common' and 'it's not uncommon' is sort of the same thing, bro. That aside, I absolutely disagree with you that, firstly, flashing someone as a child is hypersexual or amoral and that, even if it were, it would be wrong for a woman to be either of these things. Hypersexuality as defined by an unusually high sex drive is only very loosely related to this sort of behavior; it's much more about looking for love and approval in places where you one shouldn't, at an age where you don't yet know any better. And yet maybe if society didn't place so much value on a woman's sexuality, what women's bodies looked like, and what men she's seeing or getting approval from, we wouldn't have so many teenage girls seeking to define themselves through their bodies in the first place. As for 'amoral,' I take it you have never watched any porn, then? lol. You obviously have issues with women's sexuality, though. That's okay. I'm sorry she hurt you, whoever she was.
I'll agree with him actually about the morality of it, and I think it IS a bad thing for a woman to be, and a stupid thing for a woman to do... that being said, we're talking about an 11 year old. I find it horrific that anyone would refuse to feel sympathy or would find fault and deservedness in someone who fucked up her life with bad decisions before she was even an adult. That's the whole point of childhood. They are people who haven't learned how to make good decisions yet.
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On October 14 2012 15:27 SwiftSpear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 11:45 tokicheese wrote:On October 14 2012 11:36 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 11:34 tokicheese wrote:On October 14 2012 11:27 Scholera wrote:On October 14 2012 09:51 Soulriser wrote:
i dont understand what is so special about her. she did something completely fucking stupid, and other people reacted to it. people kill themselves every day from bullying. i was bullied, not because i showed my tits to everyone, but because i didnt like the same things that everyone else did; i got bullied simply for being myself. while i give sympathy to her family and friends, i have no sympathy for her. she did something stupid, but was too weak willed to deal with the consequences. Yeah, people who make the mistake of trusting someone online when they're 13 need to be bullied to the point of utter pain and despair and if they kill themselves then why should anyone have sympathy for those weak willed pussies.... WHAT THE FUCK?! Psychopaths like you need to be locked up. You act like your crying for her. Do you honestly care if she died? Do you start crying when you hear about soldiers being killed in Iraq/Afghanistan? What about the children in Syria? Or the innocent children killed in the drug war in mexico? I know you don't because it is physically impossible to care for 6 billion people as if they are your family. If anything I am angrier at the kids that did this too her than I feel sorry for her. Don't get me wrong this is a tragedy for her family and I do extend my best wishes to them and I wish things could be different but I'm sure she would rather her death be used to help the people who are suffering what she did rather than a massive pity party. + Show Spoiler +I did cry for her. Soldiers being killed in Iran and Afghanistan is different for so many different reasons... you're talking about adults who signed up to get paid to go war and kill hundreds of thousands of asian civilians who got killed in battle by political/ideological warriors that opposed them. But I'd still never in a million years say I felt no sympathy for them. Their families who lost a loved one as well as the souls on the battlefield who may have had so many other unfulfilled dreams. I can't pretend that this didn't affect me more because I'm a young person in western society, I can relate to this story to a much further extent. Also, unlike those, this is so much more easily preventable and just a sad reflection of our society. Also, suicide =/= murder. Suicide is special because it's so much different what drives someone to take their own life than the simple spite of taking someone else's. I.E: It's more significant to me, the depression she faced for 2 years in order to be driven to kill herself, than her death itself. They are my family. We're all family. And this world is fucking crazy, every action creates a different result so all we can do is go along with it, and play out our lives with exercising as much of the love inside us as humanly possible. ^ I love my shirt I would argue that it could be considered a murder morally if a specific person drove her to kill herself. I'll admit the soldiers were a shitty example but you totally ignored the children in Mexico and Syria who were murdered in cold blood. Why do you feel so much more emotion for this random girl who is possible halfway across the continent rather than a child who lived in a border town in Mexico. Because we know her story. When I hear the stories of many of those children I feel equally saddened and spend time/effort attempting to help them. In many cases however, more effort is going to be put into cases like this, because it's more reachable on an individual level. It takes a huge amount of logistics to make a difference in Mexico or Syria. Most people don't even know where to get started. The problem I have is that people like you say "why do you bleeding hearts think any of us should put any effort in now when we didn't before?" And it's fundamentally wrong. People are constantly putting effort into making the world a better place. New stories like this are constantly precipitating people to new positive actions they weren't undertaking before because they awaken us to experiences that we understand from our own lives, or to issues we weren't previously aware of, or to caveats in the actions that we were already taking that we didn't think of before hand. The few find it offensive that people would ask them to stop being lazy and rather make a positive difference in the world, not the majority. And frankly, that's pretty much the worst reason to be offended I can think of. It's an absolutely HORRIBLE ideology to live by "things will still go wrong tomorrow, so why even bother trying today?" On every level, it's bad philosophy.
I've actually been saying the exact opposite in all of my posts. Don't put words in my mouth.... I was pointing out how strange it is imo to act like they are emotionally shredded because of this girl that they never even knew existed until earlier today. Idk maybe I'm just an asshole... I mean we had 2 kids commit suicide in my highschool while I was there and there was no media frenzy about their tragic ends...
I have said over and over again that this incident needs to lead to some changes in the education young kids get about on line actions and their consequences, the same for parents and there needs to be massive change at these schools this girl was at. The administration was incompetent as fuck if half the shit she claims happened actually did happen.
Having said that I don't know what this girl says is true or not. Some of the claims she made were outrageous. Like the gang of girls beating her up on school grounds and then nothing happening because of that. That would lead to fucking criminal charges for the girls involved. The people on line saying that they wished she drank better bleach on her wall is pretty much as public as you can get and yet there is still no evidence. I'm sure she didn't fabricate the entire story and then randomly killed herself but I'm pretty sure there is more to this story that will come light like most of these threads on TL like the Trayvon Martin shooting or that Kony scam.
Also if the guy made a FB account with child pornography as the display picture how could they not trace it to the creep that did this to her? They charged kids at my school for having CP on their phones from girls a year or two younger than them.
^She was 13 when she flashed the guy.
On a side note I wonder if cases like this where a girl felt lonely, isolated and abused and when they commit suicide they suddenly become famous and almost become a martyr to other people in the situation and there might be copy cat suicides to hopefully be worth more in death than in life to the people around them? I know copy cat suicides are a big problem when suicides are publicized but I wonder if how this girl is being portrayed in the media is especially attractive to people in her position.
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On October 14 2012 15:04 PrideNeverDie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote:
I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like. it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions User was temp banned for this post.
Oh god, this post makes me so fucking sick... what a horrible way to start the day, I'm probably going to be depressed for the rest of the week after reading that.
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She was young she made mistakes, it happens... It's really sad how mean people can be to each other, I read youtube comments and I can't understand how stupid people can be, it's depressing.
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This makes me so sad. Dont know what to say, but rest in peace.
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some really awful parenting. her parents should feel ashamed.
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On October 14 2012 22:02 Destro wrote:
some really awful parenting. her parents should feel ashamed.
some really awful bullying. Their parents should feel ashamed.
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authorities found that the guy originated from usa
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it's weird, that in such a morally grey story, so many people are posting in such black and white
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On October 14 2012 15:38 SwiftSpear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:23 Sawajiri wrote:On October 14 2012 15:04 PrideNeverDie wrote:On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote:
I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like. it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions 'is it common' and 'it's not uncommon' is sort of the same thing, bro. That aside, I absolutely disagree with you that, firstly, flashing someone as a child is hypersexual or amoral and that, even if it were, it would be wrong for a woman to be either of these things. Hypersexuality as defined by an unusually high sex drive is only very loosely related to this sort of behavior; it's much more about looking for love and approval in places where you one shouldn't, at an age where you don't yet know any better. And yet maybe if society didn't place so much value on a woman's sexuality, what women's bodies looked like, and what men she's seeing or getting approval from, we wouldn't have so many teenage girls seeking to define themselves through their bodies in the first place. As for 'amoral,' I take it you have never watched any porn, then? lol. You obviously have issues with women's sexuality, though. That's okay. I'm sorry she hurt you, whoever she was. I'll agree with him actually about the morality of it, and I think it IS a bad thing for a woman to be, and a stupid thing for a woman to do... that being said, we're talking about an 11 year old. I find it horrific that anyone would refuse to feel sympathy or would find fault and deservedness in someone who fucked up her life with bad decisions before she was even an adult. That's the whole point of childhood. They are people who haven't learned how to make good decisions yet.
Well, what she and I have done is obviously stupid because if you do this sort of thing to get approval or love, it's the wrong place to go looking for it. Now that I'm a lot older than that, I understand that showing people on the internet your boobs (for free; it's another matter if it's your job) isn't going to get you any sort of respect. Doing it on webcam without making sure your head and your boobs aren't in the same frame is stupid as well; a boob-shot alone isn't going to make for very good blackmail material, after all.
That said, though, I don't understand what's so amoral about it. Obviously I no longer do this stuff, but I never had any 'omg what did I do I'm such a slut' existential crisis over it; I wanted to play with my sexuality, so I did. The way I went about it was silly and immature, but I do not agree that there is anything wrong with toying with your growing sexuality on principle. The only people really who I think have a leg to stand on here are those who never did anything stupid and attention-seeking and desperate in relation to sex as teenagers/children, and teenage boys for sure do enough of this themselves, just in different ways. While teenage girls will be more likely to wear short skits, flirt around, or take sexy pictures of themselves and post them on facebook/send them to a boyfriend, teenage boys will be more likely to run around trying girls to have sex with them, asking for these sorts of pictures online or in private, send girls cock pictures on SkypeMe (never saw more cocks in the entirety of my life than I did on Skype or omegle, lol), spend a whole lot of time looking at porn, etc. etc.
It's a time for each sex to test their boundaries. I don't think it is inherently amoral, even if it is immature by nature.
Her sleeping with the guy who had a gf, now that I'll admit was a pretty bad decision. Even so, as some people have pointed out, it seems incredibly sexist to blame her for this in its entirety when the guy is a lot more to blame for knowingly cheating on his girlfriend with a girl who he knew had no friends and would be unlikely to rat him out and systematically reject and ignore her thereafter.
Bottom line, most teens are idiots. Her 'sins' seem like nothing out of the ordinary.
I agree with the rest of your post, though. Some posters on tl.net make it seem like they've never done anything stupid at 11-14.
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On October 15 2012 02:51 Sawajiri wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:38 SwiftSpear wrote:On October 14 2012 15:23 Sawajiri wrote:On October 14 2012 15:04 PrideNeverDie wrote:On October 14 2012 14:06 Sawajiri wrote:
I sent guys pics of my boobs too when I was 13/14. I had enough foresight to cut off my head to prevent these pics from ever being used for blackmail, but I did enough other stupid shit besides that to make up for it.
This isn't uncommon, at all. It's just that, if you're a guy, you probably haven't heard much about it because girls aren't going to walk up to you and say, "LOL I TOTALLY SENT GUYS PICS OF ME NAKED FOR ATTENTION, LOL" are they?
Yeah, it's stupid and it's immature, but it's that thing a lot of young girls do when they first start growing into sexual beings. Teenage girls often want to test their boundaries, play with their sexuality, test the effect they have on others. They often desperately want the approval of other people. They first learn what it's like to feel sexually desired and they experiment with it, hard. Many will have complicated relationships with sex to begin with due to puritanical upbringings/societal prejudice and etc. etc. what have you. It's fucking common.
She just got severely unlucky that she happened to send it to a seriously deranged stalker and be exposed to some of the worst people imaginable in high school. People saying she deserves it don't seem to have a very good understanding of what teenage girls are actually like. it is common for low class women to send naked pics to guys at the age of 13 it is common for these same low class women to be ridiculed when people find out what isn't uncommon is for someone to kill themselves when having to face the consequences of their actions this is the entitlement of today's society women think they can be hypersexual and amoral without any repercussions i'll reserve my sympathy for people who are suffering due to circumstances out of their control instead of someone who killed herself over her own self-inflicted actions 'is it common' and 'it's not uncommon' is sort of the same thing, bro. That aside, I absolutely disagree with you that, firstly, flashing someone as a child is hypersexual or amoral and that, even if it were, it would be wrong for a woman to be either of these things. Hypersexuality as defined by an unusually high sex drive is only very loosely related to this sort of behavior; it's much more about looking for love and approval in places where you one shouldn't, at an age where you don't yet know any better. And yet maybe if society didn't place so much value on a woman's sexuality, what women's bodies looked like, and what men she's seeing or getting approval from, we wouldn't have so many teenage girls seeking to define themselves through their bodies in the first place. As for 'amoral,' I take it you have never watched any porn, then? lol. You obviously have issues with women's sexuality, though. That's okay. I'm sorry she hurt you, whoever she was. I'll agree with him actually about the morality of it, and I think it IS a bad thing for a woman to be, and a stupid thing for a woman to do... that being said, we're talking about an 11 year old. I find it horrific that anyone would refuse to feel sympathy or would find fault and deservedness in someone who fucked up her life with bad decisions before she was even an adult. That's the whole point of childhood. They are people who haven't learned how to make good decisions yet. Well, what she and I have done is obviously stupid because if you do this sort of thing to get approval or love, it's the wrong place to go looking for it. Now that I'm a lot older than that, I understand that showing people on the internet your boobs (for free; it's another matter if it's your job) isn't going to get you any sort of respect. Doing it on webcam without making sure your head and your boobs aren't in the same frame is stupid as well; a boob-shot alone isn't going to make for very good blackmail material, after all. That said, though, I don't understand what's so amoral about it. Obviously I no longer do this stuff, but I never had any 'omg what did I do I'm such a slut' existential crisis over it; I wanted to play with my sexuality, so I did. The way I went about it was silly and immature, but I do not agree that there is anything wrong with toying with your growing sexuality on principle. The only people really who I think have a leg to stand on here are those who never did anything stupid and attention-seeking and desperate in relation to sex as teenagers/children, and teenage boys for sure do enough of this themselves, just in different ways. While teenage girls will be more likely to wear short skits, flirt around, or take sexy pictures of themselves and post them on facebook/send them to a boyfriend, teenage boys will be more likely to run around trying girls to have sex with them, asking for these sorts of pictures online or in private, send girls cock pictures on SkypeMe (never saw more cocks in the entirety of my life than I did on Skype or omegle, lol), spend a whole lot of time looking at porn, etc. etc. It's a time for each sex to test their boundaries. I don't think it is inherently amoral, even if it is immature by nature. Her sleeping with the guy who had a gf, now that I'll admit was a pretty bad decision. Even so, as some people have pointed out, it seems incredibly sexist to blame her for this in its entirety when the guy is a lot more to blame for knowingly cheating on his girlfriend with a girl who he knew had no friends and would be unlikely to rat him out and systematically reject and ignore her thereafter. Bottom line, most teens are idiots. Her 'sins' seem like nothing out of the ordinary. I agree with the rest of your post, though. Some posters on tl.net make it seem like they've never done anything stupid at 11-14.
What your saying is is that what she did was normal. I'm not 13 year old girl but I doubt most 13 year old girls are going online and showing strangers their boobs especially with all of the education about the consequences of this now. You get bombarded in school now with stuff about this. Especially with some girl like this popping up every year where some girl kills herself over the harrassment.
The parents of the bullies and this girl are Terrible parents if all of what she claims are true. The administration at this school should be fucking gutted because try obviously are incompetent if thus obvious case of severe harassment was missed.
The guy who cheated is a total douche bag but it takes two to tango. She still had sex with a guy who she knew was dating someone. They are both equally at fault for that. I feel like their is more to the story on this part than she let on though.
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I saw this story on CNN before she committed suicide, so sad. Bad decisions on both sides...
How are children being raised nowadays? I'll admit, in the past I didn't really follow news, but everyday now it seems like there's a story on bullying/cyber bullying. Has there been an increase of it or is it just getting more coverage now due to social media? Or are kids these days just get raised differently that leads to these sort of situations?
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She lives relatively close to me, this was a tough one to swallow.
It sucks that she made that video 1 month prior but it didn't go viral so no one really knew, I would have tried to message her or something and I'm sure many others would try to help as well.
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