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As someone that has been bullied I can't express how sad i feel for her I was lucky to have parents that stood up for me, I’m not sure what would have happened to me without them... Apparently Amanda wasn't that lucky (besides her bullying was on a whole new level *,*). People are awful cruel, and i think its safe to say that everyone who blames her for what has happened either didn't see the video or have a conscious to suppress (they are bully's themselves). Anyhow, I wish I could have been her friend :/
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On October 14 2012 08:40 SoulSever wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 07:35 Slardar wrote:On October 14 2012 07:30 SoulSever wrote: To people who think suicide is selfish: Get off your religious high horse and think about how things in life actually affect people who don't have the mental fortitude to shake it off and try to be happy.
To people who say anything along the lines of "She deserved it": I sincerely hope you die alone knowing that no one loves you Let me fix that for you. Has nothing to do with religion . I'm not a biblical expert but suicide being a sin is definitely where people get the idea that it's shameful and selfish
Nope. Perhaps it's the way family and close ones are affected?
Also on this whole topic. Pretty sad that people commit suicide all the time. I think we have in sweden a law against writing about suicides just not to encourage them. GG media, keep spreading murderers and suiciders.
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This is indeed very sad, and It goes to show how shameful youths are today. This didn't have to happen.
I hope this at least will serve to enlighten this generation that in real life you are not always given a second chance for the mistakes you make. You must always be conscious of your actions as one poor decision in a moment's lapse of judgement can have a profound impact for the rest of your life.
My heart goes out to this girl and her family, and my pity goes out to her bullies.
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Are anyone trying to find the guy who bullied/stalked her in the internet? 4chan to the rescue?
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Although this a fundamentally impossibly exercise, I wonder what the responses would have been like if the situation had involved the opposite genders, ie. if Amanda had been a boy. I understand that statistically the suicide rate for teenage boys is far higher than that of girls, but I also suspect that there would be far less victim blaming.
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On October 16 2012 16:14 TehPrime wrote: Are anyone trying to find the guy who bullied/stalked her in the internet? 4chan to the rescue?
4chan is doing the opposite. Anonymous however has already released the information. It's on the previous page of this thread.
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The guy has a twitter. Here's one gem he tweeted to a different girl a year ago:
Kody M Kody M @kody1206
@chloegriffo Your choices have consequences, and you made your choice, hope you can live with it(;
Disgusting. I hope he goes to jail for life, or worse.
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On October 16 2012 16:35 Cel.erity wrote: The guy has a twitter. Here's one gem he tweeted to a different girl a year ago:
Kody M Kody M @kody1206
@chloegriffo Your choices have consequences, and you made your choice, hope you can live with it(;
Disgusting. I hope he goes to jail for life, or worse.
I'm sure there has to be some people who know the bastard who are ready to destroy him for this
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Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly.
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On October 16 2012 17:09 Roage wrote: Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly.
Teen suicide/bullying has been an extreme issue in our society for quiet some time now and it's about time that some major publicity and attention is being drawn to it. Are people band wagoning, Yes they most certainly are, however they are for once getting their pitchforks and hopping aboard an actual legitimate and pressing issue that needs to be examined.
I can't understand nor comprehend why you think that individuals sympathizing with a suicide victim is a bad, caring that a young and mostly innocent girl has died because of the actions of her fellow peers seems almost perfectly rational considering almost everyone if not everyone has experienced bullying at some point in their lives. Even if many people are just supporting this because its the next "kony" it doesn't draw away from the fact that it's for a good cause.
In all honesty Amanda Todd when contrasted to other victims is no different in many ways. This publicity surrounding her is by no means bad no matter what way you look at it despite the fact that their have been many similar cases. Focus on the positive and realize that at least we can make some good out of what has happened to this young women rather than call everyone out on "band wagoning". Of course she made mistakes, but I can ensure that almost every other girl given her same circumstances would of made the same if not worse judgments. try to examine someone elses situation from their perspective and not just your own, suffering is suffering no matter how it may compare and contrast to another individuals pain.
Perhaps you should broaden your own horizon and show some god damn compassion towards not only Amanda Todd but the millions of other victims being harassed on a daily basis.
TLDR: It's not about Amanda Todd as an individual victim, it's about sending a message (However showing sadness for her is by no means wrong in any way)
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On October 16 2012 17:31 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 17:09 Roage wrote: Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly. Teen suicide/bullying has been an extreme issue in our society for quiet some time now and it's about time that some major publicity and attention is being drawn to it. Are people band wagoning, Yes they most certainly are, however they are for once getting their pitchforks and hopping aboard an actual legitimate and pressing issue that needs to be examined. I can't understand nor comprehend why you think that individuals sympathizing with a suicide victim is a bad, caring that a young and mostly innocent girl has died because of the actions of her fellow peers seems almost perfectly rational considering almost everyone if not everyone has experienced bullying at some point in their lives. Even if many people are just supporting this because its the next "kony" it doesn't draw away from the fact that it's for a good cause. In all honesty Amanda Todd when contrasted to other victims is no different in many ways. This publicity surrounding her is by no means bad no matter what way you look at it despite the fact that their have been many similar cases. Focus on the positive and realize that at least we can make some good out of what has happened to this young women rather than call everyone out on "band wagoning". Of course she made mistakes, but I can ensure that almost every other girl given her same circumstances would of made the same if not worse judgments. try to examine someone elses situation from their perspective and not just your own, suffering is suffering no matter how it may compare and contrast to another individuals pain. Perhaps you should broaden your own horizon and show some god damn compassion towards not only Amanda Todd but the millions of other victims being harassed on a daily basis. TLDR: It's not about Amanda Todd as an individual victim, it's about sending a message (However showing sadness for her is by no means wrong in any way)
Hodor approves and so do i.
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On October 16 2012 17:09 Roage wrote: Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly.
Translation: "I wouldn't have listened because I'm a bit of a bastard"
Stop projecting, it only bothers you because you feel guilty when you see it about knowing you wouldn't do anything.
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On October 16 2012 15:58 Rasmudd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 08:40 SoulSever wrote:On October 14 2012 07:35 Slardar wrote:On October 14 2012 07:30 SoulSever wrote: To people who think suicide is selfish: Get off your religious high horse and think about how things in life actually affect people who don't have the mental fortitude to shake it off and try to be happy.
To people who say anything along the lines of "She deserved it": I sincerely hope you die alone knowing that no one loves you Let me fix that for you. Has nothing to do with religion . I'm not a biblical expert but suicide being a sin is definitely where people get the idea that it's shameful and selfish Nope. Perhaps it's the way family and close ones are affected? Also on this whole topic. Pretty sad that people commit suicide all the time. I think we have in sweden a law against writing about suicides just not to encourage them. GG media, keep spreading murderers and suiciders.
Yeah, because not talking about things makes them go away. If that law does exist and you think it helps, then whoever wrote that law is a blithering idiot.
On October 16 2012 20:26 Scholera wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 17:09 Roage wrote: Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly. Translation: "I wouldn't have listened because I'm a bit of a bastard" Stop projecting, it only bothers you because you feel guilty when you see it about knowing you wouldn't do anything.
I'm the kind of person that you can call any time of day or night. If I hear my phone I'll pick up (or at least call back if I don't). I will listen to your problems, I will try to help you. Hell, if you're a good friend call me during the week at 3am. I'll come drinking with you, if you just got your heart broken.
Nonetheless, this story is only mildly jimmy rustling. Yes, it's sad, but really a lot of sad things happen. If you want to make a difference, go help doctors without borders. You'll do a hell of a lot more good there. But you're too fucking lazy, aren't you? Yeah, so am I. So I've decided I'd just try to keep my little tiny corner of the world safe. It's all I can and am willing to do. I won't go crying because some chick 5000miles from me commited suicide, when there's thousands of children every day dying of starvation, disease and lack of water within the same radius. And these children did considerably less to deserve their fate than amanda todd did (No, I still don't think she did. I'm just showing you your hypocrisy)
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On October 16 2012 23:25 Zoesan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 15:58 Rasmudd wrote:On October 14 2012 08:40 SoulSever wrote:On October 14 2012 07:35 Slardar wrote:On October 14 2012 07:30 SoulSever wrote: To people who think suicide is selfish: Get off your religious high horse and think about how things in life actually affect people who don't have the mental fortitude to shake it off and try to be happy.
To people who say anything along the lines of "She deserved it": I sincerely hope you die alone knowing that no one loves you Let me fix that for you. Has nothing to do with religion . I'm not a biblical expert but suicide being a sin is definitely where people get the idea that it's shameful and selfish Nope. Perhaps it's the way family and close ones are affected? Also on this whole topic. Pretty sad that people commit suicide all the time. I think we have in sweden a law against writing about suicides just not to encourage them. GG media, keep spreading murderers and suiciders. Yeah, because not talking about things makes them go away. If that law does exist and you think it helps, then whoever wrote that law is a blithering idiot. Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:26 Scholera wrote:On October 16 2012 17:09 Roage wrote: Can we please move on instead of caring about someone we never knew? Or will ever know, for that matter?
Again, extolling an idea of some sweet, innocent victimized girl is bad.
Making her a martyr for teen suicides is bad.
Jesus, people. Pull yourselves together for a change. She fucked up, made a mistake, and we're attempting to ameliorate someone who.. Well, is incapable of being ameliorated?
I mean, sure, have your ten minutes of pseudo-encouragement and sudden altruism but in the end: Who the fuck is Amanda Todd?
I mean really, who was she and why should I care now because she's dead?
I'll tell you who: Her friends and family, aka NOT YOU.
I know, this has been beaten to death a million times, the horse has been well beaten. The ship sank before we set sail.. Yadira Yadda..
I mean, your pathetic pleas of 'If only someone listened!' will NOT bring her back. She's dead.
I go on Reddit: 'Amanda Todd 101' I go on YouTube.. Amanda Todd.. I go on here.. oMG BBG I WOULDVE LISTENED!!11'
First of all: Bystander Effect (Yes, I'll evoke this)
Second of all: No you wouldn't have! You cynical nitwits.
Again, you can have your sudden flow of common humanitiarism, and that's fine, and human, to jump aboard some feel good bandwagon. We are all a victim of that.
But please, get off your high horse and jump aboard an actual fad we can all get behind.
For example: If I te you now 'Whos Kony?' more than half will say 'Dunno.'
Likewise for this person. I don't know what it is with you people but you really need to stop being easily influenced by only one opinion.
I'll evoke this also, as it is a good life tool..
Broaden your horizons. There is a much better cause than backing some fictional suicide martyr.
Good golly. Translation: "I wouldn't have listened because I'm a bit of a bastard" Stop projecting, it only bothers you because you feel guilty when you see it about knowing you wouldn't do anything. I'm the kind of person that you can call any time of day or night. If I hear my phone I'll pick up (or at least call back if I don't). I will listen to your problems, I will try to help you. Hell, if you're a good friend call me during the week at 3am. I'll come drinking with you, if you just got your heart broken. Nonetheless, this story is only mildly jimmy rustling. Yes, it's sad, but really a lot of sad things happen. If you want to make a difference, go help doctors without borders. You'll do a hell of a lot more good there. But you're too fucking lazy, aren't you? Yeah, so am I. So I've decided I'd just try to keep my little tiny corner of the world safe. It's all I can and am willing to do. I won't go crying because some chick 5000miles from me commited suicide, when there's thousands of children every day dying of starvation, disease and lack of water within the same radius. And these children did considerably less to deserve their fate than amanda todd did (No, I still don't think she did. I'm just showing you your hypocrisy)
If you care so little about it, what made you post in this thread? People want to bring issues to the masses. So they write about it. People who feel affected can respond and share their opinions. If you don't like it don't read it. There is absolutely no point in telling the people that do care that they should stop caring about it.
You won't go crying about something that happened to far from your bed, but you will cry about other ppl crying about it? Makes no sense to me.
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I don't have any hypocrisy there, Zoesan, that's stupid. I wasn't telling everyone to cry about it, if you didn't notice I wasn't talking about you. I was talking to people who belittle the that specific tragedy.... I'd say the same thing if someone was hypothetically saying "Stupid starving african people probably showed their tits they deserve it"
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The fact of the matter is that teen suicide happens far more than just this isolated case. I agree that what happened was tragic and should not have happened, but we shouldn't be using Amanda's actions as a blanket for all teen suicides. Teen suicide rates are extremely high and it seems like there is little effort being put forth by the adults, the parents, the teachers, and even their classmates to help calm this. Teens today are exposed to far more "real life" situations today than they were years before. Bullying is far easier to get away with the with the anonymity of the Internet and our obsession with being online.
I wouldn't try to dig deep into this specific case as an example of teen suicide. I would rather more preventative actions be taken for those that are thinking of committing suicide tomorrow, rather than bickering about the semantics of one that has already passed. Simply posting "RIP Amanda" and liking her Facebook memorial page will not subdue any future bullying and is just a scapegoat for every teen suicide. If you are really against this kind of action and really do want to help, then take some time out of your day and volunteer, donate to anti-bullying campaigns, or reach out to teenagers as a mentor.
Do something.
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ignoring this and telling people to work in another place where it doesnt bother you, is like ignoring problems our and every civilization got. From the beginning of humanity till presence.
Its not just that the "adult" world is a hostile environment, it simply means that society is hostile and everyone is just getting used to it and pretend thats okay instead of changing how people live together.
Those who cant adjust, give up. And those who did never acknowledge that fact, because they pretend their hostile and aggressive behaviour to be normal on everyone.
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On October 17 2012 02:20 Cillas wrote: ignoring this and telling people to work in another place where it doesnt bother you, is like ignoring problems our and every civilization got. From the beginning of humanity till presence.
Its not just that the "adult" world is a hostile environment, it simply means that society is hostile and everyone is just getting used to it and pretend thats okay instead of changing how people live together.
Those who cant adjust, give up. And those who did never acknowledge that fact, because they pretend their hostile and aggressive behaviour to be normal on everyone.
I love you. This is perfectly and absolutely true, my friend.
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Go Anonymous!!
Even if this girl made bad decisions, what this...this scum did to her is unforgivable and disgusting. Vigilante justice for the win.
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On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish. Fuck you. The type of people who would say shit like that are people who have never been that far down the hole in depression. Suicide is never the answer, but condemning the victims of suicide is pretty fucking cold and assholish.
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