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On October 15 2012 09:05 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 08:53 AngryMag wrote:On October 15 2012 08:41 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote:
Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Fuck, teenagers are dumb, too. You shouldn't get to riled up. Mentioned it on the first page (or second) of this thread. Many kids/teens are simply assholes, you won't talk sense into them. They either learn through age or from being on the wrong end of some bully stuff and in some cases never. That's just how it is, although I don't know about the reasons... Reading this thread basically is a pretty clear example.. I can't help it. The fact that there is essentially a piece of child-porn in this thread (I don't care if there's little dots on it) disguised as 'a talking point' is fucking disgusting. Again, where are the mods?
Well, you have to take into account that there is a lot of dumb stuff written on TL (especially since SC2 member explosion) and the mods have also other stuff to do in their lives. I guess the hammer will go down in the next days, you will see a whole lot of red in here
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On October 15 2012 09:02 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 08:37 DigitalDevil wrote:On October 15 2012 08:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 15 2012 07:52 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote:
i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes... You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority. "Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it." For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID. Its the jungle, kill or be killed. In this case, she performed both of these deeds. A jungle environment pushes the humanity to the absolutely limit for survival. This brings the best of one's potential to the maximum and creates a sturdy character for the future. The fact that people have been turning more and more sensitive in this country already spells doom for its inhabitant. What ever happen to the tough mentality of the women in the early colonization of Canada? Instead of feeling pity for this gal, we should look at her shortcomings that leads to such trauma so that NOBODY in the future even commits the same mistake twice as her. Beside she clearly don't give a fuck about the rest of the world: + Show Spoiler +Give me one reason why the world shouldn't reciprocate the same. It's entirely within the realm of possibility that this girl carried fault. It's also entirely possible that it's not all her fault. If the girl carried some of the fault, then sure, there are some things to learn from her. But your post leaves out that there is also something to be learned if it turns that it wasn't entirely her fault. Also, that photo lacks context? The first thing that we have to examine is how did she manage the crisis of her topless photos spreading out. She clearly got upset and went into an emotional ride. But did she seek help for the harassment? For ALL of the non Canadians out there, I would guarantee you that if you say something like "I hope you die in a hellhole." in a school environment, once reported, you will positively get punishment or some sort of intervention by the school's admins. In the case of Fb comment to her wall, this further gives her the proof to solicify her case to the Police Department in which ALL parties involved will receive a suspension. So why didn't do that when it ingrained genetically in Kindergarten period to ask help from superiors when things end up being miserable? And judging from various of her pictures floating online, she does look VERY confident in herself and have the guts to make a stand for herself with the middle finger picture and her display of lesbianism to the web (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=309950.18). But yet she couldn't stand up on her own by simply telling on the bullies. Not only that she didn't try to improve her image by sincerely feeling remorseful for the incident and try to expose the boy for this unfortunate event, she also further tarnished herself by sleeping around knowingly that the target have already someone else on the side. Think about it, you caught your wife sleeping around with another man. Wouldn't it be nature to try to contravene with the third party of your relationship? That's exactly what the girlfriend of the boyfriend did, she put her in her place. So that is justifiable. She completely have the power to turn this situation upon the boy for being a pervert and by grouping up her friends so that the boy would never get laid again for his creepy maneuver and be praised for generation to come. Despite of that, she chose to make one bad decisions after another and ultimate the most degenerate taboo of all, taking your own life.
I don't think anyone is arguing that she made some bad decisions. More importantly, if her claims are true, then her aggressors also are in the wrong. Not siding with the girl doesn't mean you (not saying you are personally) have to side with the opposite side as a lot of people here are suggesting. Many seem to take the extreme stances that either the girl is completely innocent or that she entirely deserved everything coming to her.
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Yes she was stupid to act like she did, but some posters here seem equally stupid. None of them deserve that.
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On October 15 2012 09:05 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 08:53 AngryMag wrote:On October 15 2012 08:41 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote:
Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Fuck, teenagers are dumb, too. You shouldn't get to riled up. Mentioned it on the first page (or second) of this thread. Many kids/teens are simply assholes, you won't talk sense into them. They either learn through age or from being on the wrong end of some bully stuff and in some cases never. That's just how it is, although I don't know about the reasons... Reading this thread basically is a pretty clear example.. I can't help it. The fact that there is essentially a piece of child-porn in this thread (I don't care if there's little dots on it) disguised as 'a talking point' is fucking disgusting. Again, where are the mods?
Let's be real. The picture isn't what's important to you. You just don't want evidence to undermine the victim narrative that white knights like you depend on. You don't have an answer to the actual content expressed by the picture, so of course you resort to censorship to undermine the discussion. God forbid that people don't feel sympathy for a pretty white girl, regardless of the circumstances.
On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote:
No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking.
There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
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On October 15 2012 08:51 Scholera wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote:On October 15 2012 07:43 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 06:37 tokicheese wrote:On October 15 2012 06:26 Scholera wrote:On October 15 2012 05:46 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote:
Just gunna leave this here Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all. Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please. Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls? How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important... It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports. The ONLY defense YOU, or anyone else on this board to defend the actions of these bullies, or the people that extorted or assaulted her, is by dragging her name in the mud. And comparing her to some other poor girl. THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A SMEAR CAMPAIGN. What's next ? Are you going to explain to me that date rape doesn't count, if the girl is drunk and has a reputation for being a slut anyways? Or that if a black teenager is walking down the street with a hoodie, that is just cause for tracking and following that kid with a gun? That if a girl posts nude pictures of herself, she deserves to be harassed and bullied and followed where ever she goes? And seriously, where's the mods? You have no clue what your are talking about. All hes doing is pointing out a better perspective on the whole situation. There are many teen suicides due to bullying because of how the person looks but no one cares, at least not to this extent. Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news. Really... reallly... I want to tell you to kill yourself. Know why? Because unlike Amanda, who's only "crime" was to have a sexuality and try to survive with her pain by taking drugs, you're saying disgusting, heartless and sickening things about another person. How the fuck can you sit there and not realize that saying those things about another person who never hurt you is actually abhorrent and what you do with your own body is not? @Defacer: Dude, I'm a teenager and I'm not dumb :/ otherwise, I've agreed with everything you've said.
Her crime is that shes a stupid slut. That is entirely her fault and she got bullied because of it. People that look bad can't help it, she can. She was a pathetic, weak human being.
What I wrote is sickening? Is that coming from someone that wants to tell people to kill themselves because of a forum post...
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On October 15 2012 09:31 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote:
No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking. There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
No, being a slut, you effectively increase your chance of getting impregnated by anyone. Could be a totally stranger at XX's drunk party or it could be someone whom you thought would be your one-in-a-million prince charming. And getting yourself in that situation yearn sever consequences to put a halt on your goals and future. So unless that your plan is to ultimately getting implemented with seeds, don't be one.
Safe slut don't exist, someone could easily poke a hole in a condom and would ruin your life.
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On October 14 2012 02:58 Krohm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:49 fearus wrote:On October 14 2012 02:35 Krohm wrote:On October 14 2012 02:04 Oreo7 wrote:On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote:
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that. She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions. I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her. Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves. Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame. You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're also part of the "if girls dress revealing they invite rape onto themselves" crowd as-well. Am I right? Get out. That is the best response you're going to get from me. Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:50 Oreo7 wrote:On October 14 2012 02:35 Krohm wrote:On October 14 2012 02:04 Oreo7 wrote:On October 14 2012 00:38 Krohm wrote:
I feel this is getting too much attention, more than it deserves. Don't get me wrong it's sad she killed herself, it's sad her life was cut short over bullshit like this.
I just have a lot of issues surrounding this specific incident. She could have avoided a lot of this, first of all by not showing her breasts to random people online. We can only assume she did it often. The media had the audacity to say "She was lured into showing her breasts to an unknown male." I'm sorry but you don't "lured" into that. That would be like me stabbing someone and then telling the police the victim lured me into stabbing them. She should have had better security settings on Facebook. She shouldn't have done whatever she did with this other guy who had a girlfriend. She moved and things caught up with her again, there is just no excuse for that happening without it being her own fault. She actively searched out drugs and alcohol. That just doesn't fall into your lap, especially when you're 15. She said she was "alone", she wasn't. No one is ever alone, they just deluded themselves into believing that.
Growing up I can say I was a bully and I've been bullied. I've seen people get it way worse than this girl (Now I know feelings are subjective and it doesn't matter if it's worse in an objective sense, because situations can always be the "worst" for the specific victim). I actually know a kid who killed himself in grade 5 due to bullying. Did it really receive much attention? No. Many people have killed themselves over bullying and cyber-bullying but it hasn't received as much attention. I don't know why, but I can only speculate because she's a moderately attractive young girl from middle/upper-suburbia. Also this is being picked up by all the "Trend-whores" of the internet. This just reminds me of Kony 2012 all over again. No one will care in 2-3 months, even though this is just a pessimistic outlook I suppose I can say that I do hope something will change to a degree.
I apologize if this sounds cold or uncaring.
Now with that being said, I hope the police are trying to catch this unknown male. Sending out nude photos of a 15 year old girl falls under a lot of cyber-crimes and you can do heavy time for that. She didn't show her breasts in a vacuum. She was clearly very messed up by the time she did that - in the video she suggested her parents are divorced, there were def. other factors in play. Please don't make so many assumptions. I think she had some very serious issues that she couldn't get help for and was unfortunate enough to be in environments full of mean people more concerned about their own minor issues like popularity at school than the mental health of one girl. I wish someone had found her and helped her. Tell me not to assume so much. Assumes so much themselves. Please. You're making it sound like she's nothing but a victim of circumstance. She wasn't. I don't care how messed up you are, you shouldn't be showing your tits to people online. What a disgusting method of deflecting blame. You do realize when people are suicidal they shut themselves off from the rest of the world. I can guarantee you that not everyone was mean to her. There was probably a lot of people that would have been willing to help her except she cut herself off. It's what suicidal people do. It seems strange bizarre and wrong to you and I that she cut herself off and that she showed her breasts over the internet. You blame a young girl for making those decisions, I say that their were other factors in her life that caused her to make those decisions and, as a child, she shouldn't be held responsible. She didn't make conscience decisions to cut herself off or to flash that guy; she did it because of unconscious forces that she has no control over. Once again you're deflecting all the blame. "She didn't make conscience decisions to cut herself off or to flash that guy; she did it because of unconscious forces that she has no control over." This makes my brain hurt. I can't believe people actually think this. "and, as a child, she shouldn't be held responsible." By that logic teenagers who murder people shouldn't be held accountable by their actions.
The laws regarding murder takes into account whether the murder was a crime of passion or planned and done in cold blood. It seems very clear to me that even with your analogy, Amanda is not as guilty of her crimes as a 1st degree murderer is of theirs.
But your analogy is also awful. If you think for even a second there is any comparison to be made between flashing your tits over the internet, where any impact at all is intended to increase the pleasure of all parties, and deliberately ending another human being's life, stop posting.
And the people who actually believe that is like 99% of the psychology community.
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On October 15 2012 08:41 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote:
Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Fuck, teenagers are dumb, too.
I'm a teenager and I've posted on your side of this argument, please reconsider your generalization
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On October 15 2012 09:37 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 09:31 sunprince wrote:On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote:
No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking. There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts. No, being a slut, you effectively increase your chance of getting impregnated by anyone. Could be a totally stranger at XX's drunk party or it could be someone whom you thought would be your one-in-a-million prince charming. And getting yourself in that situation yearn sever consequences to put a halt on your goals and future. So unless that your plan is to ultimately getting implemented with seeds, don't be one.
Part of being safe is properly utilizing birth control. You're not one of those religious/social conservatives who believes in abstience until marriage, are you?
On October 15 2012 09:37 Xiphos wrote:
Safe slut don't exist, someone could easily poke a hole in a condom and would ruin your life.
"Safe drinking doesn't exist, someeone could easily put drugs in your drink and ruin your life."
Do you see why your "logic" is ridiculous?
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On October 14 2012 07:30 SoulSever wrote:
To people who think suicide is selfish: Get off your religious high horse and think about how things in life actually affect people who don't have the mental fortitude to shake it off and try to be happy.
To people who say anything along the lines of "She deserved it": I sincerely hope you die alone knowing that no one loves you
Suicide is selfish. That does not mean I'm angry at the people who commit suicide or think they're bad people; but it's ultimately a decision you make with only the solipsistic self in mind.
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On October 15 2012 09:41 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 09:37 Xiphos wrote:On October 15 2012 09:31 sunprince wrote:On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote:
No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking. There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts. No, being a slut, you effectively increase your chance of getting impregnated by anyone. Could be a totally stranger at XX's drunk party or it could be someone whom you thought would be your one-in-a-million prince charming. And getting yourself in that situation yearn sever consequences to put a halt on your goals and future. So unless that your plan is to ultimately getting implemented with seeds, don't be one. Part of being safe is properly utilizing birth control. You're not one of those religious/social conservatives who believes in abstience until marriage, are you? Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 09:37 Xiphos wrote:
Safe slut don't exist, someone could easily poke a hole in a condom and would ruin your life. "Safe drinking doesn't exist, someeone could easily put drugs in your drink and ruin your life." Do you see why your logic is ridiculous?
"Safe walking doesn't exist, you could easily get hit by lightning" The best way to maximize longevity (if that's your only value) is to stay in your house whenever possible and eat only incredibly plain food.
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On October 15 2012 09:31 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 09:05 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 08:53 AngryMag wrote:On October 15 2012 08:41 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 08:40 nitram wrote:
Now we have a pretty girl thats a dirty drug abusing slut that kills herself and its national news.
Fuck, teenagers are dumb, too. You shouldn't get to riled up. Mentioned it on the first page (or second) of this thread. Many kids/teens are simply assholes, you won't talk sense into them. They either learn through age or from being on the wrong end of some bully stuff and in some cases never. That's just how it is, although I don't know about the reasons... Reading this thread basically is a pretty clear example.. I can't help it. The fact that there is essentially a piece of child-porn in this thread (I don't care if there's little dots on it) disguised as 'a talking point' is fucking disgusting. Again, where are the mods? Let's be real. The picture isn't what's important to you. You just don't want evidence to undermine the victim narrative that white knights like you depend on. You don't have an answer to the actual content expressed by the picture, so of course you resort to censorship to undermine the discussion. God forbid that people don't feel sympathy for a pretty white girl, regardless of the circumstances. Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote:
No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking. There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts.
I'm being entirely honest. The last thing I want to see when I come to TL is the topless pic of a thirteen year old that lead to the constant bullying and harassment that drove her into suicidal depression. The same 'points' could have been made with a different photo.
Is ther something I should know about you sunprince? Do you think that photo is defensible? Interesting? Some how adds to the discussion?
Note to high school: someone acting slutty isn't enough of a reason to hate or ostracize them. Over the next 15 or so years youre going to meet a lot of sluts. Some of them are mean, some of them are nice. You don't have to like them, but you don't have to actively hate or resent them either.
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On October 15 2012 07:48 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:37 tokicheese wrote:On October 15 2012 06:26 Scholera wrote:On October 15 2012 05:46 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 05:14 Headshothank wrote:
Just gunna leave this here Wow, you've successfully smeared a 15 year old girl who committed suicide without changing my perspective at all. Mods, get this fucking picture off your site before I punch in my computer, please. Exactly what the fuck inspires people to run smear propaganda against dead teen girls? How exactly is it a smear campaign? The picture wasn't very nice but Todd is clearly lying about what actually happened and since people will be fucking punished for what happened to her knowing what actually happened is pretty important... It's trayvon all over again people blindly rage until the actual facts come out and the entire story changes until it doesn't even resemble the first reports. My question is why would it matter if she happened to be lying, and was a crack addicted prostitute? I'm not saying it's the case, but why would it matter? The fact is that she was pushed to suicide. Whether or not her poor lifestyle made it tough for her, there's no reason to pass harsh judgments on a person who obviously was defenseless to the world and had trouble dealing with her stuff. No matter her story, it's sad. And people who go out of their way to somehow try to make her look bad or something, what the hell are they all about? That's not to say we should know the truth, but seriously, it doesn't matter. Don't fucking rail against dead kids.
How the fuck does it not matter? People are going to get criminal charges because of this of course the fucking truth matters. Just because she may have exaggerated shit doesn't mean the people who did this to her are going to walk free but it will decide what they are charged with and how long they are sentenced too. Do you really mean to tell me that her making up a story about a gang beating and convicting those kids of something that didn't happen doesn't matter...?
There is so much white knighting in this thread it's pretty unreal. No one is saying she deserved this or that the bullies should get off. But she DID BRING THIS ON HERSELF. SHE TOOK THE PICTURES. That doesn't make what those assholes did right but she made a mistake in her life. She is not some angel above criticism because she killed herself. Why can't we discuss what she did wrong to prevent this from occurring in the future?
Telling people to kill themselves is kinda hilarious in this thread because that's one of the reasons that made this girl kill herself.
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On October 15 2012 09:41 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 09:37 Xiphos wrote:On October 15 2012 09:31 sunprince wrote:On October 15 2012 09:13 Xiphos wrote:
No to ALL high school out there: please choose your path correctly to what kind of person you want to end up. Study hard in school, join up a sport club. You want to gain as much smart and fitness as possible before entering the workforce. You NEVER know if you will end up using knowledge you learn even the in Middle School years for your tool as survival. You have to always constantly thinking about how the current action you are taking are affecting your life in a positive way. There are people who do well in High School and have gotten entrance in Ivy Leagues and basically their life are set. They are other people who don't put emphasis on their work and end up taking couple of extra years and will be far behind in the competition with their peers and regretted for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. But however if you find yourself extremely gifted in one specific sports of hobby, by all means, CHASE THAT DREAM OF YOURS. And even though the thing you do at the time might not be popular, you may just end up like LYH, to forever cement your name in the history book as the one that started the industry.
Don't be a bum, don't be a slut. Don't just cruise your way with drugs, drinking, and smoking. There's nothing wrong with being a slut. Just be a safe slut, and responsibly protect yourself from those who target sluts. No, being a slut, you effectively increase your chance of getting impregnated by anyone. Could be a totally stranger at XX's drunk party or it could be someone whom you thought would be your one-in-a-million prince charming. And getting yourself in that situation yearn sever consequences to put a halt on your goals and future. So unless that your plan is to ultimately getting implemented with seeds, don't be one. Part of being safe is properly utilizing birth control. You're not one of those religious/social conservatives who believes in abstience until marriage, are you? Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 09:37 Xiphos wrote:
Safe slut don't exist, someone could easily poke a hole in a condom and would ruin your life. "Safe drinking doesn't exist, someeone could easily put drugs in your drink and ruin your life." Do you see why your "logic" is ridiculous?
I'm fairly sure the actual problem with being a slut is the social attitude and irresponsibility that comes with it, rarely is anyone responsible with their relationships or themselves if they adopt that attitude. But it's a personal issue not inherent to being promiscuous or sexually active.
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In my opinion, she had a string of very unfortunate events happening. I feel sorry for her, she does not deserve what happened, even if it was due to her actions. You people judging her stupid on her decisions are equally blind and stupid, by your inexperience in dealing with others. She was a teen, a kid to some. She does not know how to deal with her situation at first because she wants to keep it private from others. She does not have that mentality yet and now, never will. Ask yourself this, would you hide something embarassing from your parents when you were her age. Most teens try to fix their own problems by themselves and that's just their mentality, because they want to be more independent. Some of you people are judging her decisions and actions like she was an adult. I did stupid stuff as a teen too, and I'm sure most of you did the same as well. You can judge and say your opinion, but at the end of the day, it doesn't even help the situation to current teens who have the same or similar problems. We have to educate our youth and keep our eyes more aware of these things.
I have a little sister in highschool still, and sometimes I have to slap her around on the stupid things she does to herself or to others, but I don't blame her on it. It is something she has to experience and learn on her own. My sister's mistakes she has to deal and solve it both by herself, family, and friends, but we never blame her for doing stupid things. It it what we have to deal with, and what my sister has to deal with.
With social media nowadays, it is easier to spread rumors and information than it was years ago. It is harder for older people to get the truth about what younger people do nowadays on the internet, and how to solve them.
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On October 15 2012 07:52 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote:
i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes... You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority. "Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it." For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID.
You love putting words in my mouth rofl...
When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal and treated her word like gospel I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death and a zit popping nerd rofl. You have been white knighting all over this thread over some girl you don't know you can give it a rest now...
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No couple of years back, trust me in the time of middle school, girls were fucking smart back then. They knew exactly the consequences of displaying your body on the internet is a big no no. We had groups and groups of people coming in to tell us how does internet work and the result of putting one files out there could be widespread.
Flashforward some years, teens are much more knowledgeable to these type of information because their older siblings, peers and medias have all insinuated it and no way they could escape from the power of peer to peer conversations on the topic. Just on the subway a year ago, I've seen 12 years old taking pictures of themselves there with one of them saying "Hey delete that picture, I don't want it to go over the internet." When I was 12, I was playing with Beyblades and Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Kids these days are astute as ever. We may be living in the most technological savvy generation of all time.
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On October 15 2012 09:55 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 07:52 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote:
i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes... You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority. "Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it." For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID. You love putting words in my mouth rofl... When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal...
Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF.
Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself.
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On October 15 2012 10:00 Xiphos wrote:
No couple of years back, trust me in the time of middle school, girls were fucking smart back then. They knew exactly the consequences of displaying your body on the internet is a big no no. We had groups and groups of people coming in to tell us how does internet work and the result of putting one files out there could be widespread.
Flashforward some years, teens are much more knowledgeable to these type of information because their older siblings, peers and medias have all insinuated it and no way they could escape from the power of peer to peer conversations on the topic. Just on the subway a year ago, I've seen 12 years old taking pictures of themselves there with one of them saying "Hey delete that picture, I don't want it to go over the internet." When I was 12, I was playing with Beyblades and Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Kids these days are astute as ever. We may be living in the most technological savvy generation of all time.
I don't think kids have gotten smarter/dumber. It's just that the continual advances of the information has given them more ways to screw themselves over.
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The white knights are out in force in this thread.
She didn't deserve to die by any means, but how is this on the news?
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