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On October 15 2012 12:15 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 10:07 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 09:55 tokicheese wrote:On October 15 2012 07:52 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote:
i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes... You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority. "Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it." For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID. You love putting words in my mouth rofl... When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal... Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF. Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself. So your going to tell me that her actions didn't play a part in this seriously? She showed her tits to some stranger. That's not a big deal at all it doesn't make her a bad person and she certainly did not deserve what happened to her. But you can't say her actions didn't play a part in it because thats just not true. She made a horrible decision and the douche bag who harassed her made it worse. It's so cute how you and other pathetic white knights attack people that even remotely question this girls status as a saint and twist peoples words to make them blame the victim when it's clear that's not what I am doing at all.
Pathetic white knights? Get a hold of yourself. There's nothing pathetic in a man's vehement defense of a dead child.
Her actions may be viewed as misguided, but that picture that was posted earlier tried to depict her as a "dumb slut" if I may, which even if it were true it still wouldn't change ANYTHING. The picture was trying to make her look bad, as if it wasn't so bad that she died, because she was "promiscuous". And you stand here in defense of this?
How dare you call anyone pathetic. What a small man you are.
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I feel like a lot of the story is missing or some of the things she said aren't true.
Stuff like 'the police knocked on our door at 4am' when the photos were circulated just doesn't make any sense... It isn't the kind of thing the police would make a house call on out of the blue at 4am. I can't even imagine them making any investigations at all unless it was reported, since I doubt they would even know who she was or where she lived. And even if they did why is there no mention of her parents? You would think the police would have talked to her parents about this when they made the house call. And after something like that happening you would think her parents would keep a much closer eye on her if they were even half decent parents.
It's the same deal with the bleach; it seems that half the school some how managed to find out about it yet for some reason now neither her parents nor the police or any healthcare professionals seemed to know about it. One would think since she said it almost killed her that she would have wound up in hospital, and that somebody there would have been suspicious about her state of mind and kept an eye on her. I mean this happening combined with her photo incident, previous attempted suicides, cutting and a drug and alcohol addiction is surely enough for the authorities to question her parents and potentially even have her taken into administrative care.
Not saying that this isn't tragic; it is, and it depresses the hell out of me that people like those involved in her bullying even exist on this planet. I just think that the real story needs to surface before anyone can make any judgements on this. And I think her parents need to be subject to much more scrutiny if everything Amanda said does turn out to be true.
Edit: It is also unfortunate that things like this only seem to perpetuate the notion that people only care about stuff like this happening when it happens to young, attractive females.
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On October 15 2012 12:23 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 12:15 tokicheese wrote:On October 15 2012 10:07 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 09:55 tokicheese wrote:On October 15 2012 07:52 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote:
i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes... You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority. "Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it." For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID. You love putting words in my mouth rofl... When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal... Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF. Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself. So your going to tell me that her actions didn't play a part in this seriously? She showed her tits to some stranger. That's not a big deal at all it doesn't make her a bad person and she certainly did not deserve what happened to her. But you can't say her actions didn't play a part in it because thats just not true. She made a horrible decision and the douche bag who harassed her made it worse. It's so cute how you and other pathetic white knights attack people that even remotely question this girls status as a saint and twist peoples words to make them blame the victim when it's clear that's not what I am doing at all. Pathetic white knights? Get a hold of yourself. There's nothing pathetic in a man's vehement defense of a dead child. Her actions may be viewed as misguided, but that picture that was posted earlier tried to depict her as a "dumb slut" if I may, which even if it were true it still wouldn't change ANYTHING. The picture was trying to make her look bad, as if it wasn't so bad that she died, because she was "promiscuous". And you stand here in defense of this? How dare you call anyone pathetic. What a small man you are.
Kindly point me to where I called her a slut? I never said she deserved it so chill the fuck out. I just said we can't take her words at face value because she could be lying. How many times has it happened in this forum where a story happens and then it takes a total 180 when the full story is known?
It seems like your attributing all the mean shit in this thread to me when I have been nothing but respectful to her. Now your calling me a small man for "attacking" a child because I have been so mean to her.
How dare I question her story and not blindly attack people on the internet who even question her status as perfect! I think your the one who needs to grow up.
It's really pathetic how you blindly throw yourself at this girls feet when we literally know nothing about the full story.
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To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face.
You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
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On October 15 2012 12:32 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 12:23 Djzapz wrote:On October 15 2012 12:15 tokicheese wrote:On October 15 2012 10:07 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 09:55 tokicheese wrote:On October 15 2012 07:52 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote:
i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes... You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority. "Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it." For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID. You love putting words in my mouth rofl... When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal... Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF. Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself. So your going to tell me that her actions didn't play a part in this seriously? She showed her tits to some stranger. That's not a big deal at all it doesn't make her a bad person and she certainly did not deserve what happened to her. But you can't say her actions didn't play a part in it because thats just not true. She made a horrible decision and the douche bag who harassed her made it worse. It's so cute how you and other pathetic white knights attack people that even remotely question this girls status as a saint and twist peoples words to make them blame the victim when it's clear that's not what I am doing at all. Pathetic white knights? Get a hold of yourself. There's nothing pathetic in a man's vehement defense of a dead child. Her actions may be viewed as misguided, but that picture that was posted earlier tried to depict her as a "dumb slut" if I may, which even if it were true it still wouldn't change ANYTHING. The picture was trying to make her look bad, as if it wasn't so bad that she died, because she was "promiscuous". And you stand here in defense of this? How dare you call anyone pathetic. What a small man you are. Kindly point me to where I called her a slut? I never said she deserved it so chill the fuck out. I just said we can't take her words at face value because she could be lying. How many times has it happened in this forum where a story happens and then it takes a total 180 when the full story is known? It seems like your attributing all the mean shit in this thread to me when I have been nothing but respectful to her. Now your calling me a small man for "attacking" a child because I have been so mean to her. How dare I question her story and not blindly attack people on the internet who even question her status as perfect! I think your the one who needs to grow up. It's really pathetic how you blindly throw yourself at this girls feet when we literally know nothing about the full story
You never called her a slut, if you knew how to read you'd understand that I'm saying that based on your support of the previously posted picture that depicted Amanda Todd as a "slut", basically.
And I don't think that I'm pathetic for defending the girl (throwing myself at her feet? what are you even trying to do?). Once again you're showing that you don't quite understand what I'm saying. I was quite clear in saying that it doesn't even matter what the story is - this girl, no matter how bad she acted, evokes sadness.
If you need me to further explain my posts, just ask instead of completely deforming what I'm saying.
On October 15 2012 12:38 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote:
To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face.
You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
She's was not a boy. And that's not what everyone is taught, so if they don't do it it's because it doesn't occur to them. Is that their fault too?
Come on. How are people convinced that being attacked by others is not the fault of those other people. Honestly how does that even happen? Your brain is capable of so much.
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On October 15 2012 12:38 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote:
To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face.
You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
Um, no?
If you're physical weaker than them it'll just piss them off and they'll do it more often.
3/10, 1/10 if you're not trolling, because you clearly have no idea at all about being bullied by people who are physically stronger than you are.
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On October 15 2012 12:15 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 10:07 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 09:55 tokicheese wrote:On October 15 2012 07:52 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote:
i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes... You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority. "Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it." For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID. You love putting words in my mouth rofl... When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal... Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF. Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself. So your going to tell me that her actions didn't play a part in this seriously? She showed her tits to some stranger. That's not a big deal at all it doesn't make her a bad person and she certainly did not deserve what happened to her. But you can't say her actions didn't play a part in it because thats just not true. She made a horrible decision and the douche bag who harassed her made it worse. It's so cute how you and other pathetic white knights attack people that even remotely question this girls status as a saint and twist peoples words to make them blame the victim when it's clear that's not what I am doing at all.
So, what exactly are your trying to achieve by arguing that she isn't a saint? It doesn't justify what happened to her or how people treated her.
Is it the amount of attention this suicide has received? Do you feel that there are more saintly people that have been bullied and persecuted unfairly? Sure, that's probably true. But that doesn't that make cyberstalking and bullying in general less of an issue.
Should society be admonished, because this poor girl foreshadowed her depression and suicide so publicly, while even more miserable people died more quietly, without recognition? Perhaps. But this is how society has always been.
So ultimately, what's your point? You basically taking pot shots at a dead girl, dude.
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On October 15 2012 12:38 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote:
To be honest if you get bullied its your own fault. You have just got to hit them and it will stop.
Like if 4 boys are making fun out of you at the canteen in school, walk up to the leader and punch him in the face.
You might get your ass kicked, but they won't try it again when they know you'll stand up for yourself. They will just go pick on an easier target. (At least for boys)
did you get that from the movies or something? i have witnessed something like that before and it did not turn out well for the kid getting bullied, it will just piss the bullies off and they will get more agressive.
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So bad mouthing and everything is bad.... But is this true? All I heard from her death is what I saw on TV 2 nights ago.
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Now some of the words used in the description are bad, whether she dead or not. But I mean the facts of it, are they all true?
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On October 15 2012 11:19 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 11:13 KaRath_ wrote:On October 15 2012 10:48 Xiphos wrote:
There are much more people giving support to her case. Fuck this is completely disgusting. Because it went viral? Why is it disgusting, because other issues that are possibly more important aren't brought up? At the end of the day, all we can do is change what happens in what we see. If I see someone that is depressed and possibly suicidal, I would talk to them. This case of Amanda Todd reminds us that if we can, do something. Not to defend her actions, not to call her a "slut" (which I believe to be inappropriate but I won't go into this), but to simply look at what has happened to her and what we could personally do. Calling for the perpetrators for their heads to be bashed in will not be good, nor is saying that people defending her are "white knighting" and "elitist". Just let this case tell you what you think is right or wrong. You are still instilled bias and double standards in this case though. Go and read the contrast between the two cases. NOT everyone agrees with your thought process. In fact evidence shows that most of the people disagree with your mentality of always trying to cheer someone up. You would expect the ratio of the words of encouragement and disdain to be somewhat identical despite of the viral-ness. But no it isn't, people treated her better where a case could have been absolutely avoided. And that's why I find it disgusting of such hypocritical nature of the people.
I never said "cheer them up". You talk with them. Saying things such as "Don't worry, things will get better" are things depressed people will generally not want to hear. Sometimes they just want to talk.
But I do agree with your sentimentality of the hypocritical nature of people, but unfortunately we're all hypocritical, me included
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On October 15 2012 12:45 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 12:15 tokicheese wrote:On October 15 2012 10:07 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 09:55 tokicheese wrote:On October 15 2012 07:52 Defacer wrote:On October 15 2012 06:39 turdburgler wrote:
i have no problem with the picture and it puts things in to perspective but come on. measuring these kids by number of facebook likes... You see, this highschool-law-of-the jungle mindset is what allows guys like tokicheese and Headshothank -- and the people that bullied and destoyed her -- to rationalize their judgment, actions and false sense of superiority. "Well, I'm not the one that did do something stupid. So she was asking for it." For all you zit-popping nerds out there, you may not have done something stupid, but if you think that way, YOU ARE STUPID. You love putting words in my mouth rofl... When did I say she deserved it...? I have been saying through this whole thread that the Admins, parents of the bullies and the bullies need to have criminal charges and be fired from their jobs. But because I don't put some stupid girl who killed herself on a pedestal I'm a total asshole who bullied her to death... Unreal... Dude, you have a post that literally says, in all caps, SHE BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF. Get off the fence man. She made some mistakes but what happened to her was unjustifiable. Acting slutty is as about as criminal as being gay or into LARP-ing. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for her age but if a 23 year old was doing the same thing no one would be bullying or harassing her or saying she brought this upon herself. So your going to tell me that her actions didn't play a part in this seriously? She showed her tits to some stranger. That's not a big deal at all it doesn't make her a bad person and she certainly did not deserve what happened to her. But you can't say her actions didn't play a part in it because thats just not true. She made a horrible decision and the douche bag who harassed her made it worse. It's so cute how you and other pathetic white knights attack people that even remotely question this girls status as a saint and twist peoples words to make them blame the victim when it's clear that's not what I am doing at all. So, what exactly are your trying to achieve by arguing that she isn't a saint? It doesn't justify what happened to her or how people treated her. Is it the amount of attention this suicide has received? Do you feel that there are more saintly people that have been bullied and persecuted unfairly? Sure, that's probably true. But that doesn't that make cyberstalking and bullying in general less of an issue. Should society be admonished, because this poor girl foreshadowed her depression and suicide so publicly, while even more miserable people died more quietly, without recognition? Perhaps. But this is how society has always been. So ultimately, what's your point? You basically taking pot shots at a dead girl, dude.
How the fuck am I taking pot shots Jesus Christ. I said that we should not take her word as 100% truth. Your acting like she is a saint who cannot tell a lie and anyone who says anything that could even be remotely taken as negative towards her is an ass hole and is responsible for her death. Just because she might have exaggerated a bit doesn't mean I don't want the bullies to be persecuted.
I have never once said she deserved this. I said she made a poor choice and the results of that came back to haunt her because of some fucked up individual but I never once said anything close to her deserving it.
Your just putting words in my mouth I never said that this doesnt deserve attention once in this thread and I have said over and over and over that this case needs to lead to better education for young girls and their parents. Also that the school administrations need to be fired for being shitty at their jobs.
But okay apparently people like me are responsible for her death for not taking what she says as an absolute truth and waiting for more evidence. Extraordinary claims require Extraordinary Evidence.
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She made a BUNCH of bad decisions down the line, I think we can all agree with that. But no amount of bad decisions justified the treatment she received from her peers.
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Now some of the words used in the description are bad, whether she dead or not. But I mean the facts of it, are they all true?
Maybe. A better question would be why, exactly, would it matter or make a difference if it was true? Is two years of tormenting, stalking and harassment suddenly justifiable?
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On October 13 2012 04:48 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
People are brutal, the reactions in this topic included.
True that. I wonder why I often expect otherwise from people around me and on Teamliquid, theres always someone anywhere ... :<
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On October 15 2012 13:05 geokilla wrote:
So bad mouthing and everything is bad.... But is this true? All I heard from her death is what I saw on TV 2 nights ago.
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Now some of the words used in the description are bad, whether she dead or not. But I mean the facts of it, are they all true?
It's some 14 year old on 4chan exploiting both situations to make a ham-fisted point about "hypocrisy in the media", complete with a quote from a Pulitzer winner for extra intellect points. I'm not even sure why you posted it.
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On October 15 2012 13:46 BroOd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 13:05 geokilla wrote:
So bad mouthing and everything is bad.... But is this true? All I heard from her death is what I saw on TV 2 nights ago.
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Now some of the words used in the description are bad, whether she dead or not. But I mean the facts of it, are they all true? It's some 14 year old on 4chan exploiting both situations to make a ham-fisted point about "hypocrisy in the media", complete with a quote from a Pulitzer winner for extra intellect points. I'm not even sure why you posted it.
LOL. I didn't even notice that. Toni Morrison would vomit if she saw this.
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On October 15 2012 13:50 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 13:46 BroOd wrote:On October 15 2012 13:05 geokilla wrote:
So bad mouthing and everything is bad.... But is this true? All I heard from her death is what I saw on TV 2 nights ago.
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Now some of the words used in the description are bad, whether she dead or not. But I mean the facts of it, are they all true? It's some 14 year old on 4chan exploiting both situations to make a ham-fisted point about "hypocrisy in the media", complete with a quote from a Pulitzer winner for extra intellect points. I'm not even sure why you posted it. LOL. I didn't even notice that. Toni Morrison would vomit if she saw this.
Well, having read Toni Morrison I don't think she should even dignify it with a response and would instead carry on to do things that matter.
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To the people saying highschool is terrible nowadays, it isn't. Most highschools are quite normal stuff like this rarely ever happens. Also you don't need any social networking in highschool, I'm getting through just fine wihout a facebook.
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I think that it's important for those discussing that the discussion being had here actually has no moral value what so ever, unless you are taken action on your words and actively doing something surrounding the situation of this person's passing. It may have great personal or ideological value to you, but the moral standing of arguing on either side of an event which you can no longer affect is mute. I hope that those of you who've made proclamations to protect and help those in need who are treated unfairly would stick to their guns on that one as many in our communities are already doing. It's a pretty simple phrase that describes this: "Give flowers to me while I'm alive".
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On October 15 2012 13:05 geokilla wrote:
I find it extremely insidious that simply because the Shiana's story failed to go viral (I'm guessing largely because there's no controversy. If you put any person in a room with the rapist and a baseball bat we'd all know what to do) Amanda's story doesn't deserve to. As if there's nothing to learn from what happened to Amanda simply because bad things have happened to other people as well.
It's ridiculous. It's absolutely nonsensical philosophy. As if the narratives that compel us in life have to depend on body count or gravity of depravity in order to be valid.
Amanda's story is compelling because she's a child who was killed by things that many of us experience in our own lives, and are not unthinkable acts that only rare and exceptionally deranged individuals perpetrate. The fact that the discussion about Amanda is lively ABSOLUTELY lends no legitimacy that the issue of Shiana isn't as valuable. As if somehow I had only spent less time thinking about Amanda and more time thinking about Shiana all of a sudden rapists wouldn't be able to rape any more.
Either way, we should start to learn here that facebook can be extremely dangerous.
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