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On October 17 2012 08:02 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 07:35 Endymion wrote:
I have way more empathy than the band-wagoners on facebook, because I strive to understand and appreciate her situation and decision. I would have been her best friend if I had known her. Just curious ... what do you know about her, aside from admiring people who selfishly kill themselves?
Well to prove that he is not a sociopath he would be best friends with anyone by supporting them into a suicide.
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On October 17 2012 06:25 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 06:06 Holy_AT wrote:On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote:
OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded. Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull. And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene. Feel free to post in Website Feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts. In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression. edit ~ correction of website feedback and I added the URL
Uhhhh what? Endymion, you are just straight, messed up. If you think that is a beautiful form of expression. Then you have major, MAJOR fucking problems. Go see a shrink you quack pot. Strong will and convictions? Just shut the fuck up now. She was a teenage girl and you never met her, or knew her. Or even live near her, so stfu now.
This isn't new as far as Endy's modding is concerned. He temp bans, and bans ppl most of the time for no reason ( go look at the game of thrones thread) And is generally, one of the dumber mods that TL has.
I HAVE posted in the feedback thread about him, and it went no where. So nice try once again Endy. Sometimes I wonder if they have any criteria to be a mod. Because clearly you don't meet them.
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On October 17 2012 08:12 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 06:25 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 06:06 Holy_AT wrote:On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote:
OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded. Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull. And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene. Feel free to post in Website Feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts. In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression. edit ~ correction of website feedback and I added the URL Uhhhh what? Endymion, you are just straight, messed up. If you think that is a beautiful form of expression. Then you have major, MAJOR fucking problems. Go see a shrink you quack pot. Strong will and convictions? Just shut the fuck up now. She was a teenage girl and you never met her, or knew her. Or even live near her, so stfu now. This isn't new as far as Endy's modding is concerned. He temp bans, and bans ppl most of the time for no reason ( go look at the game of thrones thread) And is generally, one of the dumber mods that TL has. I HAVE posted in the feedback thread about him, and it went no where. So nice try once again Endy. Sometimes I wonder if they have any criteria to be a mod. Because clearly you don't meet them.
what??? Endy is different, I'm endymion. I don't have mod powers, i can't ban or temp ban people.
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On October 17 2012 08:14 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 08:12 Arkless wrote:On October 17 2012 06:25 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 06:06 Holy_AT wrote:On October 17 2012 02:52 Endymion wrote:
OH BOY, another internet witch hunt. the internet is so hypocritical, people do this shit every day on chat roulette, blog tv, tinychat, etc etc etc. someone did what a lot of people on the internet do??!?? call teh copz! if the canadian police cared about amanda todd's case they would have found this guy on day 1, annonomous is being hypocritical and vindictive acting like they give two shits. at least /b/ knows the truth, she commited suicide because of low self esteem and social pressure, not because this guy screen capped her boobs and sent it to everyone.. the only problem about spreading it is that it's childporn, not that it's destructive to amanda todd.. people do this shit every day on facebook, have you guys even seen mean girls? real highschools are much more effective at bullying than that film, and it was meant to be a satire on the state of young girls' development in highschool.. so say whatever you want about this guy, but tbh he's the same as like 75% of the people who spend any time on the internet (including 12 year old girls on facebook)
it's just a different form of slander, and the end result was a suicide. except it wasn't even slander because it was a picture of her boobs/vag that she provided (in video form!)... you guys have no idea how good these girls are at destroying eachother, it's an art. this guy was a philistine, he had no idea how to bully someone. and you want to arrest him? give me a break, double standards much.
for the record i liked amanda todd, and i think her suicide was beautiful. but this witch hunt is retarded. Sorry, but I really have to say that this style of writing is not what I expect from the normally high quality posts of TL staff or writers. Although the girl might not have acted in the most intelligent way blaming soley her and saying it is hippocritical to uphold this case because this is happening often is not the right thing todo. Just because some bad things are happening often does not mean that one cant do anything about them or spread awareness. I also really dont get what you mean by calling her suicide beautifull ? It is a tragedy not something beautifull. And if you as a writer had a report button I would have hit it, I searched for it but unfortunatly there wasn't one. I am really disappointed by this post, it casts a shadow on the high standards of team liquid writers, staff and the community. I myself got warned and banned for things where I deserved it, I hope someone else will intervene. Feel free to post in Website Feedback about it, thats where i'll be reprimanded for improper posting.This isn't directed at you in particular, but rather to anyone who takes issue with my posts. In terms of why I think that her suicide was "beautiful," I think it's an extremely raw expression of free will. She made the completely contested decision to kill herself (contested in the sense of her friends/family, not her peers), and went through with it. It's amazing to me that free speech still exists anywhere with all of the pressure that people put on others. That's why I think it's beautiful. It speaks to her strong will and her convictions to herself. She was a great person, and now she's unfortunately gone. It's a waste, but it was still a beautiful act of expression. edit ~ correction of website feedback and I added the URL Uhhhh what? Endymion, you are just straight, messed up. If you think that is a beautiful form of expression. Then you have major, MAJOR fucking problems. Go see a shrink you quack pot. Strong will and convictions? Just shut the fuck up now. She was a teenage girl and you never met her, or knew her. Or even live near her, so stfu now. This isn't new as far as Endy's modding is concerned. He temp bans, and bans ppl most of the time for no reason ( go look at the game of thrones thread) And is generally, one of the dumber mods that TL has. I HAVE posted in the feedback thread about him, and it went no where. So nice try once again Endy. Sometimes I wonder if they have any criteria to be a mod. Because clearly you don't meet them. what??? Endy is different, I'm endymion. I don't have mod powers, i can't ban or temp ban people.
NVM, i see that now. Disregard anything about being a mod that i typed. And it's still true.
You are fucked in the head, end of story. There is NOTHING beautiful about anyone committing suicide. ever
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On October 17 2012 07:54 Endymion wrote:
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
which is still a fallacy because people can feel ways about things and argue points based on their insular experiences which comprise a "good" life and a "bad" life. should this girl have considered the starving african children or child prostitutes her age overseas when she was considering the pros and cons of ending her own life? no, because in what sane world does a white middle-class teenager with access to facebook really, truly understand that, or the holocaust? you trivialize these things, all of these things, by combining them into one mass of relativism and ignoring the very basic nuances in favor of lenses of "horror" and "beauty".
On October 17 2012 08:03 Endymion wrote:
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I don't see why there has to be such a large jump, I think life is a beautiful yet horrifying experience. I'm sorry if you can't see the beauty in things, I was just expressing my appreciation of it. I'm sorry that our views don't align, I didn't mean to alienate you in any way.
As far as the inquiry to how much I know about her, I know enough as I have to. I'm obviously not going to go into relationships or information sources as it would be disrespectful to her, it's not like they would add any more validity to my comments anyways.
I think you're arguing from a generalization that can apply to many things but is, at the very least, blatantly out of place when applied to a highly personal, specific tragedy. also, I can see the beauty in a great many things, most of which include people casting aside petty, banal differences like class/race/gender/sexuality and coming together to create something or just co-exist and make society look that much less awful for the effort. what I cannot see is someone celebrating the very victory of those aspects of humanity that make it awful; acknowledging them is one thing, but "beauty" is a compliment, and that dualism you seem to embrace makes the bigger societal issues of bullying and othering seem insubstantial, out-of-reach and summarily trivial because they imply a greater pointlessness to it all. this is what pisses people off, people who empathize with this girl's plight...not saying you don't on some level, but it's kind of hard to pinpoint when you argue that her death had some sort of point or objective to it.
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On October 17 2012 08:18 TheExile19 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 07:54 Endymion wrote:
isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" which is still a fallacy because people can feel ways about things and argue points based on their insular experiences which comprise a "good" life and a "bad" life. should this girl have considered the starving african children or child prostitutes her age overseas when she was considering the pros and cons of ending her own life? no, because in what sane world does a white middle-class teenager with access to facebook really, truly understand that, or the holocaust? you trivialize these things, all of these things, by combining them into one mass of relativism and ignoring the very basic nuances in favor of lenses of "horror" and "beauty". Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 08:03 Endymion wrote:
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I don't see why there has to be such a large jump, I think life is a beautiful yet horrifying experience. I'm sorry if you can't see the beauty in things, I was just expressing my appreciation of it. I'm sorry that our views don't align, I didn't mean to alienate you in any way.
As far as the inquiry to how much I know about her, I know enough as I have to. I'm obviously not going to go into relationships or information sources as it would be disrespectful to her, it's not like they would add any more validity to my comments anyways. I think you're arguing from a generalization that can apply to many things but is, at the very least, blatantly out of place when applied to a highly personal, specific tragedy. also, I can see the beauty in a great many things, most of which include people casting aside petty, banal differences like class/race/gender/sexuality and coming together to create something or just co-exist and make society look that much less awful for the effort. what I cannot see is someone celebrating the very victory of those aspects of humanity that make it awful; acknowledging them is one thing, but "beauty" is a compliment, and that dualism you seem to embrace makes the bigger societal issues of bullying and othering seem insubstantial, out-of-reach and summarily trivial because they imply a greater pointlessness to it all. this is what pisses people off, people who empathize with this girl's plight...not saying you don't on some level, but it's kind of hard to pinpoint when you argue that her death had some sort of point or objective to it.
I'm sorry if I was mistaken for marginalizing her suicide or the factors that caused it, it was never my intention. It's not that beauty is a compliment, I just used it in the sense that it places value on something and that people should be aware of it because it provides something above the norm.
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On October 17 2012 07:54 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 07:53 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:35 Endymion wrote:
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick. isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it"
Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous.
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On October 17 2012 08:26 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 07:54 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 07:53 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:35 Endymion wrote:
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick. isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous.
I'm not saying that the holocaust wasn't horrible and tragic, it was. It's just important to be able to take a rational look at human development, which is integral if you're trying to understand the 2nd point. Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise. In Amanda's case, they're certainly not fucking noise, and I've been unbelievably sad since her death, but I would rather see it in some form of a positive light instead of just saying "look at how weak she was, she couldn't stand up to it. she's selfish" I think more of her than that
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I know there are clowns that literally victim blame and call her fortitude into question while the actual problem, that being bullying in schools, waltzes out the back of the auditorium towards the smoking area but that really doesn't change the fact that many of us believe there is no positivity to be seen here and do not agree with your analysis. opinions can and will differ, but don't strawman the opposition as victim blamers, yo.
I also have a half-formed thought about how easy it is to label every negative occurrance in life as having some sort of beauty simply because of X amount of resistance from circumstance to overcome, or the free will to overcome which is still kind of a fallacy since something acting on you that is inherently negative tends to constrain your range of actions and thus your free will. basically, it's a really easy and weightless philosophical piffle of a position and I think almost all situations in life require more nuance.
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Honestly this whole problem could've been avoided if personal information wasn't posted on the internet.
Wouldn't be surprised if this guy got all the information from her facebook page.
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On October 17 2012 08:31 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 08:26 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:54 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 07:53 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:35 Endymion wrote:
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick. isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous. Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise. The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting?
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On October 17 2012 08:44 Monochromatic wrote:
Honestly this whole problem could've been avoided if personal information wasn't posted on the internet.
uh
yeah
but that's not the world we live in, or the world the next generation will live in. we're just now discovering all the innovative ways the school bullying process can continue outside the school walls. even when you're in the comfort of your home, you aren't safe - it is so fucking depressing to even consider, I hated high school enough without the possibility of that part of my life invading the only private time I had. yes, you can tell your kids to stay off facebook and whatever its descendant sites will be, but that just separates them from the fold in yet another way and invites more discrimination.
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On October 17 2012 08:47 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 08:31 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 08:26 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:54 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 07:53 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:35 Endymion wrote:
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick. isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous. Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise. The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting?
that's like saying would i find standing in front of a live gas chamber beautiful. obviously it's grotesque, but there is still meaning in it. I'm not "switching off emotions," but emotions need to be truly embraced to appreciate something as grotesque.. Idk if I could do it for a picture of blood though, just like I wouldn't find a video of someone killing themselves beautiful.. it's the thought behind it I guess
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On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote:
the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp)
let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp)
let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
User was temp banned for this post.
I like you, we should be friends
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On October 17 2012 08:50 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 08:47 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 08:31 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 08:26 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:54 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 07:53 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:35 Endymion wrote:
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick. isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous. Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise. The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting? that's like saying would i find standing in front of a live gas chamber beautiful. obviously it's grotesque, but there is still meaning in it. I'm not "switching off emotions," but emotions need to be truly embraced to appreciate something as grotesque.. Idk if I could do it for a picture of blood though, just like I wouldn't find a video of someone killing themselves beautiful.. it's the thought behind it I guess
My main point here is that the appreciation of beauty is basicly an appreciation of emotions that something evokes, all emotions. You cant just rule out the most powerful one and say: ok, it's beautiful now. Form, sense, meaning and context, everything is important.
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On October 17 2012 09:19 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 08:50 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 08:47 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 08:31 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 08:26 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:54 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 07:53 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:35 Endymion wrote:
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick. isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous. Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise. The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting? that's like saying would i find standing in front of a live gas chamber beautiful. obviously it's grotesque, but there is still meaning in it. I'm not "switching off emotions," but emotions need to be truly embraced to appreciate something as grotesque.. Idk if I could do it for a picture of blood though, just like I wouldn't find a video of someone killing themselves beautiful.. it's the thought behind it I guess My main point here is that the appreciation of beauty is basicly an appreciation of emotions that something evokes, all emotions. You cant just rule out the most powerful one and say: ok, it's beautiful now. Form, sense, meaning and context, everything is important.
Well considering how subjective a topic like beauty is you can't exactly dictate what beauty is for others.
I get what he's saying, even though I don't fully agree with it. It's not my place to tell him he's wrong.
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On October 17 2012 08:50 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 08:47 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 08:31 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 08:26 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:54 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 07:53 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:35 Endymion wrote:
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick. isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous. Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise. The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting? that's like saying would i find standing in front of a live gas chamber beautiful. obviously it's grotesque, but there is still meaning in it. I'm not "switching off emotions," but emotions need to be truly embraced to appreciate something as grotesque.. Idk if I could do it for a picture of blood though, just like I wouldn't find a video of someone killing themselves beautiful.. it's the thought behind it I guess
I can't believe people on her are advocating banning you for speaking your mind. You see something in it and pointed and others didn't see it and they attacked you for it.
You were extremely polite even with people calling you names like children throughout the whole discussion.
People are so anal about being PC it is incredible.
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On October 17 2012 15:22 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 08:50 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 08:47 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 08:31 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 08:26 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:54 Endymion wrote:On October 17 2012 07:53 Cheerio wrote:On October 17 2012 07:35 Endymion wrote:
That's the reason that beautiful things can be horrible.. Look at the holocaust, you may at first say "wow that's revolting, so many people died.." and you still will once you delve into it, but now that we don't have the holocaust we're able to enjoy life that much more.. Of course things become marginalized over time, that's why people keep repeating history. That's why if you ask someone who was in Auschwitz about their experience they won't tell you to fuck off, they'll tell you their story so that you can learn something from it.
Please tell me how can I enjoy my life more because of Holocaust, I really find it very hard to do. All those sufferings and the ability of human beings do that to each other only make me depressed and frustrated. This is like saying starving children in Africa make life better for everyone because we should value our comfortable lives more. This is sick. isn't that the whole idea of when people say "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" Well you are kinda right. There are two emotions concerning huge tragedies like that. First one is based on empathy, that is feeling other people's pain and suffering. That makes any experience about such events very stressful and depressing even if they have nothing to do with you. On the other hand there is this nice little "appreciate what you have because there are others who don't have it" trick. Though it does exist the scale of emotions both of these create in normal people is just incomparable, the first kind of emotions is so strong that the second one isn't even noticed. But for people who dont feel it there is only the 2nd one left. That's why a few people would find making their life better after learning of Holocaust quite possible, while for everyone else it's outrageous. Emotions are useful and good, but for somethings they're noise. The thing is you cant just switch of powerful emotions, unless you are emotionally impaired somehow. Suppose you find a painting in red paint beautiful. Then you learn it was painted in human blood painfully taken away from someone before he got killed. Would you find the same painting still beautiful or rather disgusting? that's like saying would i find standing in front of a live gas chamber beautiful. obviously it's grotesque, but there is still meaning in it. I'm not "switching off emotions," but emotions need to be truly embraced to appreciate something as grotesque.. Idk if I could do it for a picture of blood though, just like I wouldn't find a video of someone killing themselves beautiful.. it's the thought behind it I guess I can't believe people on her are advocating banning you for speaking your mind. You see something in it and pointed and others didn't see it and they attacked you for it. You were extremely polite even with people calling you names like children throughout the whole discussion. People are so anal about being PC it is incredible.
If you read this thread you will find others who have been banned for 'speaking their mind' though, and often they have said things much less questionable than what this guy has. Maybe they just want consistency.
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Anonymous has identified and published information about pedophile that was extorting her, in retaliation to her nude autopsy photos being leaked.
http://www.vice.com/read/a-jailbait-loving-perv-destroyed-amanda-todds-life
It's still astonishing that there are people dead-set on dragging her name through the mud after her death. So it's not surprising that Anonymous would job into the fray.
Edit: Doh, way too late.
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The only thing that worries me about Anonymous finding the guy is that it might not be the right person.
Someone could have a grudge and ruin some random person's life by implicating them in this.
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