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JimTheCat
Canada44 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [original OP] + I have been having some trouble with Zerg. Not to say there OP or anything but I'm finding them hard to deal with, So I am creating this thread because I can't find many HoTS build orders so I would like to see if people have any air based builds that are somewhat refined. I would prefer that it would use some of the new units. I would like a flat out build order not just a unit list. Please don't posts any stupid builds or any cheeses. | ||
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TokO
Norway577 Posts
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JimTheCat
Canada44 Posts
On November 18 2012 06:54 TokO wrote: If I were you I would look at one of the established WoL airbuilds such as the 4gate SG early aggro, 5-phoenix styles or the airtoss off 3base. HotS isn't changed enough to make a 'early' mothership viable, so I'd rather just get a strong 2-base economy and maybe get the MsC around 5-6 min when you're worried about various all-ins etc. Yeah I was basically meaning builds that use oracle/tempest. like oracle harass with a tempest follow up. or something like that | ||
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TokO
Norway577 Posts
I don't think there are any good builds currently tailored for what you want, I assume that people primarily just wing it atm. Day9 has a good recent daily on refining builds, maybe you should make your own skeleton and try use his method to make a good build for the purpose you are searching for  | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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JimTheCat
Canada44 Posts
On November 18 2012 07:29 raf3776 wrote: I found if I open stargate-oracle, I just usually end up dying by roaches or a fast spire. So I usually open normal robo- 3 base. then Get a stargate to get oracles to snipe structures. That happens to me if I stargate in PvZ. but it pvp I go 3 gate star gate fast expo then into robo . I use oracle and tempest from the stargate to harass and they usually commit to stalkers to kill my air and then I switch into usually a double robo and get a ton of sentry stalk immortal. and thats usually enough to kill them off. | ||
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PineapplePizza
United States749 Posts
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JimTheCat
Canada44 Posts
On November 18 2012 16:07 Ooshmagoosh wrote: Are there any replays of Protoss players doing stalker + core pressure vs zerg? I'd really like to see how that plays out, it sounds really cool. Idk I think its hard to pull off so there probably isn't many replays. you can watch videos of white ra if your looking for HoTS protoss videos. I'd say hes probably one of the best HoTS protoss's right now | ||
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nonsequitur
384 Posts
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On November 24 2012 18:01 nonsequitur wrote: How are you guys dealing with Swarm Hosts contain? They go fairly quick Lair and set up a contain outside my front with 6 or so swarm hosts and a ton of lings. With the lings protecting the hosts I can't out dps the lings+broodlings. And the zerg slowly inches forward until the broodlings are in range of my expo and it's lights out. As stupid as it sounds, rushing for carrier off two base is pretty good against this. | ||
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nonsequitur
384 Posts
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TokO
Norway577 Posts
Responses I've met: Ling\Hydralisks -> Chargelot Archon Storm handles this. Mutalisk -> Storm + Blink instead of chargelot\archon. Roach\Infestors -> Buy time with storm and feedback, but should transition to stalker colossus if you see him making a spine wall.I didn't do this and ended up losing to broodlord infestor. Roaches -> Normal composition does well against this if you keeps pressure on his economy (ideally you've cancelled his third). I haven't met any top tier zergs yet, so my experiences have little value, but if you guys are in diamond, you might experience the same stuff. The thing I like about TC is that you have much more room for going out on the map and put pressure on the zerg, in contrast to Stalker Colossus where you really have to have a critical mass of stalkers\3colossus. | ||
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TokO
Norway577 Posts
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uNkyEaruhw75Y9z_NajWT7nLIy-vRt7JOFHpyFl0zHQ/edit | ||
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TibblesEvilCat
United Kingdom766 Posts
13 gate -cyber core asap 16 pylon 17 gas x2 22 gate 24 star gate 32 nexus. Chrono probes, 2x zealot + mother ship core, pressure and snipe creep tumours and run home once you prevented creep. Oracle - void ray - Phoenix . Should be able to snipe the 3rd due to prevention of creep earlier, if he gone speeding expo (gas 1st) then you need to get cyber and quick sentry then follow up with forge, carry on with the basic build. Hide a probe to sac at 5mins mark, you need to know I he's gone fast 3rd or 2 base play both require different approaches at 7mims hallucinate an Phoenix to see what he tech is. Hope that some help | ||
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nonsequitur
384 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Sprite825
France57 Posts
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Decendos
Germany1341 Posts
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ZjiublingZ
United Arab Emirates439 Posts
I'm in the same boat man, so here's the guides I'm using to learn Protoss - they are all Stargate builds because that's what I like and that's what has gotten the new and improved units. PvP - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381717 (note, the tip in this guide to get air upgrades after warpgate, and cancel later if you find out he isn't going stargate, is amazingly useful because you often will get in a stargate vs stargate battle in HotS) PvZ gateway expand > stargate - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361740 (I feel like gateway expands are stronger now with the utility of the MSC). PvT I don't know, I can't find any good stargate guides so I don't really have a build. | ||
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iKill
Denmark861 Posts
On December 09 2012 23:51 Decendos wrote: has anybody tested mass oracle play + zealot HT support vs MMM? just did some tests and it is insanely strong if you combine timewarp + storm + 29 DPS to light units + zealots connecting way better thanks to timewarp. would love to see this work ^^ Time Warp is good but you have to open up with templar tech and add the oracles later. Fast oracles against T will just make you die, because they have so low HP any kind of focus fire from marines just rapes them. | ||
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