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[Q] Can cannon rushing really be perfected?
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Videoboysayscube
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haaz
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
The best part is after this fails, his unit control is down right awful. I believe, and after playing him, he was a plat player before, and his mechanics are lack luster. This kind of thing makes me wish there was a way to nerf cannon rushes, as they're ridiculous on so many maps. | ||
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Zodiak
Canada60 Posts
For balancing maps in tournament maps, gas placement relative to the ramp should be taken into account | ||
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PandaTank
South Africa255 Posts
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On May 02 2012 04:51 iAmJeffReY wrote: I've played him so many fucking times. Even on KR. He is a joke, and it's so sad how this works. I've beaten him twice, lost to him twice. Both losses on antiga shipyard. Some maps are just too abusive for cannon rushes. The best part is after this fails, his unit control is down right awful. I believe, and after playing him, he was a plat player before, and his mechanics are lack luster. This kind of thing makes me wish there was a way to nerf cannon rushes, as they're ridiculous on so many maps. However he beat you twice. I believe this would be more or less equal to him berating you for being worse than him at cannon rushing. | ||
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Legion710
Canada423 Posts
In all seriousness, i don't understand how you could effectively cannon a zerg and win the game with it? | ||
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denzelz
United States604 Posts
On May 02 2012 04:51 iAmJeffReY wrote: I've played him so many fucking times. Even on KR. He is a joke, and it's so sad how this works. I've beaten him twice, lost to him twice. Both losses on antiga shipyard. Some maps are just too abusive for cannon rushes. The best part is after this fails, his unit control is down right awful. I believe, and after playing him, he was a plat player before, and his mechanics are lack luster. This kind of thing makes me wish there was a way to nerf cannon rushes, as they're ridiculous on so many maps. Totally agree with this. Early cannons are frustrating to play against, and stupid to watch from professional players. It is one of the worst things about SC2. | ||
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denzelz
United States604 Posts
On May 02 2012 05:20 Legion710 wrote: UH OH CALL THE CHEESE POLICE. In all seriousness, i don't understand how you could effectively cannon a zerg and win the game with it? Um? 3 Pylon block at the bottom of the ramp? Gain a huge advantage without changing your build? (FFE) | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On May 02 2012 05:08 Zodiak wrote: The assimilator providing free vision on the high ground vs idra was entertaining. For balancing maps in tournament maps, gas placement relative to the ramp should be taken into account That's what he did against me twice on antiga. Low ground cannon and pylon, take assim. What do you kill? If you pull off scvs, he's going to cancel cannons as they die, and can even block you out of your own base. It's just a joke of a strategy that somehow works. However he beat you twice. I believe this would be more or less equal to him berating you for being worse than him at cannon rushing. Take the amount of times he's cannon rushed (SO FUCKING MANY. He had like 500 games last season, and already hundreds this season, and is playing on KR, and I'm sure EU) against the amount of times I've been cannon rushed. Being 2-4 in defending when facing it only 4 times is pretty damn good for never seeing such a lame strategy that often. The bad part is, some protoss fake cannon rush and nexus -> forge -> gate. And, the level of people I play, I expect a ~9 scout to be a nexus first, rarely a cheese like this. There's no way to scout and react, since it hits before you even have marauders. I faced him twice on KR like last week, and KNEW it was coming, did an 12/12 rax and STILL got beat. Why? Gas steal (what 900 HP for 75 minerals) high ground vision for 3 cannons. No way of picking off anything as once he gets the high ground vision, you're zoned out and can't mine the half of the minerals + he can cannon behind the cover of the other cannons. | ||
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
the vod is kind of funny but it's still sad that stuff like that works so well. on eu server i know people that got into grandmaster by doing marine scv all ins every game, building 2 offgates every game, 6 pooling every game, ... | ||
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Legion710
Canada423 Posts
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Grubbegrabbn
Sweden174 Posts
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
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Legion710
Canada423 Posts
On May 02 2012 05:45 Grubbegrabbn wrote: In order to learn something - can everyone who defeat this dudes cannon rushes post replays right here in this thread? Then perhaps we can all learn something. There see so many devilish variants of this shiz... and as someone mentioned, its darn hard to hold off this (some variants seem unbeatable?) It's up on my stream somewhere in one of the last VODs. www.twitch.tv/cocatoss When I get home I'll show you more specifically. The hilarious thing is that I was actually trying a new proxy stalker build I came up with and he did this. I had to rally my stalkers all the way from his base to mine to defend the cannon rush haha. | ||
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AyahuascaSage
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Mikah
Finland230 Posts
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Makuly
Taiwan54 Posts
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