EPTAbout the cooler the Noctua product page has this to say:
The cooler offers sufficient clearance for all standard size memory modules, but you won’t be able to use memory modules higher than 44mm.
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
About the cooler the Noctua product page has this to say: | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On October 11 2013 17:19 Cyro wrote:i was under the impression that USB audio was terrible USB is a digital signal, therefore the output isn't able to be 'terrible' or 'good', it's just the same as what you put into it. A lot of DAC/amp combos use a usb port for their digital input before they convert it into an electrical signal. However the quality of DAC/amp combinations that used for usb headsets are usually a complete joke, if that's what you're asking. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
The way I see, it's just a minor architecture refresh and the slight higher overclock of Ivy is a toss up over the slightly higher performance per clock of Haswell To be honest i've talked to and helped with OC 10 or so people and not seen one yet below 4.5ghz on high end cooling, with three poking 4.7-4.8, and most of the claims of ocing bad that i've seen from just people who had no idea of the basics. I don't think an i5 would be at all temperature limited with a high end air/h100i equivalent now, and by 4.2-4.6ghz (depending on the task) you're beating 5ghz ivy bridge anyway. Tomshardware and anand were extremely unprofessional with their approaches to the arch i think, they both showed that they had no idea what they were doing with anything aside from extreme basics (changing vcore and core multiplier) USB is a digital signal, therefore the output isn't able to be 'terrible' or 'good', it's just the same as what you put into it. A lot of DAC/amp combos use a usb port for their digital input before they convert it into an electrical signal. However the quality of DAC/amp combinations that used for usb headsets are usually a complete joke, if that's what you're asking. Thanks ^Hopefully if i get hit with this stuff enough time, i'l remember it  | ||
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Headlines
United States482 Posts
On October 11 2013 23:20 Ropid wrote: This is not true about the heat. Both 3570k and 4670k have the same physical problem with getting heat out of them. The crazy "delidding" fix for that problem works similar on both of them. The 4670k is in fact more economical about the power it uses. The added heat you see is not wasted. It gets translated into increased performance. This seems to make stress tests a bad idea. Real world programs will not run much hotter on the other hand, making 4670k a better choice. The 3570k is easier to overclock as it is mostly just finding the right core voltage for stability. This could skew people's perception about it overclocking better. If you think overclocking is fun, the 4670k will be more fun as there are more knobs to play with. It seems to go just as far if you tweak all available settings, not just core voltage. Thanks for the response, Ropid. Okay, maybe Haswell hasn't gotten the positive feedback it deserves, but I'm still looking at the performance per price ratio, and I still feel like a 3570K is a sound option. For instance, at microcenter, the 3570K is about $30 cheaper than the 4670K. And as far as I can tell, the 4670K offers around the same if not marginal increase in performance. If you want the links to the reviews I've read, I'm willing to look into my broswer history. Also, I've not heard anything back about the mobo other than that it's last gen (and bad?). I don't want to spend over $200 on something like a Sabertooth. . . I even specifically looked for a case that doesn't have a side window. . . So cosmetics are bleh to me. . . All I really want in a mobo are a few things. Room for sli / crossfire capability (room to grow basically) and overclock friendliness. And thanks, soap, for the input on the Noctua's limitations. The memory wasn't my first choice, but I'm willing to go up in price for some space comfort between the memory and the NH-D14. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
You should be able to get the Gigabyte Z77X-D3H for a similar price. It's excellent regarding overclocking and supports SLI/Crossfire. There's also Z77X-UD3H and UD4H that might show up for a very good price if a shop wants to clear inventory, but without a very good deal those are boards wasting money on too many features. MSI Z77 boards don't support offset overclocking so I was never interested and never looked into those. ASUS boards, I have no idea about. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
difference between like hyper212 and nh-d14 is probably smaller than ivy bridge to haswell | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
One of the features i would definitely want is having 2 monitors. I would like 1 to play games and the other to do stuff so i dont have to keep ALT TABBING to go to browser and such. would this affect a build in any way? like would something have to change for me to be able to work with 2 monitors? and the next question regarding 2 monitors is how does it work exactly? while im playing the game, and if i bring my mouse to the edge, wont it go to the next monitor? and if not, does that mean i still wont be able to play games and browse internet at the same time since i would have to alt tab to be able to make my mouse move to the 2nd monitor?? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
would this affect a build in any way? like would something have to change for me to be able to work with 2 monitors? no while im playing the game, and if i bring my mouse to the edge, wont it go to the next monitor? and if not, does that mean i still wont be able to play games and browse internet at the same time since i would have to alt tab to be able to make my mouse move to the 2nd monitor?? If mouse is clamped (almost all games will do that in fullscreen and probably windowed fullscreen but you can probably disable it somehow) then you can't pass the edges of the screen you are playing the game on If it's not clamped, then you could. I only play sc2/LoL/FPS right now though, which means locking mouse to primary screen is 100% mandatory for all of them. Not sure why you'd want to do anything other than fullscreen or windowed fullscreen with a quick alt tab to change window focus so that you can move your mouse onto other screen Alt tab in windowed fullscreen basically just changes window focus. Game is not minimized or anything, but you can have firefox or whatever selected and interact with it | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
interesting discussion as well btw | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + What is your current build? I have a quiet system despite a rather noise-leaky case (Bit Fenix Alpha, a bad choice when building). My hard drive sometimes grinds away as normal, but when not actively running it's quite quiet due to a elastic-band suspension system I rigged inside the case. My CPU fan is so quiet as to be silent (Thermalright HR-02 Macho, hurr, hurr). Sometimes I let the HR-02 Macho run passive, though I hesitate to do that overnight. The largest current contributor when it comes to noise is my PSU, which is actually quite quiet: a Rosewill Green 430w. (IIRC, Myrmidon recommended that PSU as a budget-but-quiet option, and his recommendation has been dead on the money for a little over 2 years now. Thanks again!) CPU is a Pentium 850, on an Asrock H61m-GS (mATX, but I currently have no expansion cards). No real problems there, though I might have go back to the Intel stock heatsink (ew). Add in a 500gb HDD, a DVD-burner, 2x2gb of RAM (which blows for multi-tasking, epic mis-click on the wrong newegg combo when first building) and you've got the system right there). What is your monitor's native resolution? 1680x1050. Other than that it's actually pretty decent, a Dell E228WFP. Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I want to be able to run more games than just SC2. Given current prices & my monitor's resolution, I'd like to be able to run some games (Skyrim, for example) on relatively high graphics settings, particularly the distance at which things draw, that kind of thing. But in general saving $$ > improved graphics performance. I'm poor. Games I know will be involved will be SC2, Rome: Total War (not the second), probably a few of the more recent Total Wars, depending on how my CPU does more than this GPU upgrade, Skyrim, uh... I'm not sure what other ones specifically to be honest. Probably Sleeping Dogs & FarCry3 if I get a 7850 (bundle). I want the upgrade to not be annoying in terms of my computer becoming louder, particularly at idle. This is already a major problem, as I may have to remove the HR-02 Macho & re-mount the Intel stock cooler to fit a graphics card on my small mobo. (It'll be close). So a GPU with a reputation of being very quiet is a high priority for me. What is your budget? Truthfully, $80-175. But I'd be much happier in the belief that I achieved my goals near the bottom of that price range rather than got the best possible $175 GPU. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA, specifically Utah If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. I don't care, but newegg seems to be cheapest for video cards at the moment anyway. Used is also fine with me, but I didn't see any GPUs with good coolers on OCN or [H] at the moment. Not to mention those sites always have ridiculously low discounts for used stuff. There was a juicy 7850 at $100, but it had the crappiest possible fan in the ASUS lineup. Currently I've been considering buying either an MSI 650 ti Boost or an ASUS 7850. The particular brands were chosen based on price/cooler rather than any brand loyalty. The MSI 650 ti Boost costs $145 ($120 after rebate). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127728 The Asus 7850 costs $160 ($140 after rebate), but comes with 2 free games. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121651 Currently I'm leaning slightly towards the MSI 650 ti Boost on the basis of its lower cost. But the free games from the AMD sale (not at all high priority games for me, but still), the potential for overclocking, and possible Mantle benefits are all keeping me uncertain enough that I'm not pulling a trigger. Other major options I've discarded include a Sapphire 7950, HIS 7870 (just couldn't quite justify the $200/175 cost, particularly with my resolution), a 260x (upgraded 7790 - the 7850 and the 650 ti Boost seem to both have an advantage over the 260x from a price/performance standpoint), or a new 7770 (just didn't seem cheap enough compared to the 650 ti Boost, the cheapest one I saw being $94). It seems like I'll just have to man up & pick one, but since TL gives such awesome advice, I decided I'd be a fool not to hear what y'all had to say. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
it's a tough call so i'm not even going to say anything | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
I just spent 10 minutes trying to rationalize it and all I can come up with is I like it better than the 7850 (of which I own). E: could always go with GTX 660 for $144 (AMIR) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130825 | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_650_Ti_Boost_TF_Gaming/25.html | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
^£210 It's gonna suck when these run out and the price goes up like 25% for an equivalent card .. As with other Z87 overclock testing, we start with 40x100 on the CPU at 1.000 volts. If this is unstable (PovRay + 5 min OCCT), the voltage is raised by +0.025. If it is stable, we make a note of the voltage/multiplier combination and raise the multiplier by one. Ultimately the limit is how comfortable the temperatures are. Here are the results: I wonder when anandtech will figure out that default vrin with vdroop is not appropriate for 1.4v and it's probably a bad idea to leave everything on auto aside from vcore and core multiplier on haswell Our CPU seems to top out at 4.6 GHz, with anything higher than that needing an insane voltage no shit when you have 1.7vrin.. Who's sending these guys enthusiast overclocking boards to review? | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
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DropTester
Australia608 Posts
Having very little knowledge about overclocking, if I wanted to test it out and do basic overclocking without changing the voltage would I need a Z87 motherboard? or would a H87 or B85 motherboard be sufficient for just basic clock speed increases? also thanks for having such a comprehensive guide, it's been really useful and interesting just going through it | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
(Actually, there is some workaround some motherboard manufacturers have found that allows for CPU overclocking on the others, but most likely this "feature" will be removed in future BIOS versions. I wouldn't count on it.) edit: For clarification, I mean on the non-Z87 boards. Not on the non-k processors. You know, because this is increasing the cost somewhat significantly for you, you might want to reassess your priorities. It's going to cost extra to overclock, so you may as well do it for real or save money and forget about it. | ||
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DropTester
Australia608 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I'm not even sure how overclocking works but I imagine that with the Bios you fiddle with voltage and/or clock rate settings to increase performance. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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