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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
October 14 2013 05:12 GMT
#1201
Have some confidence and the learning comes with the doing, not before it
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
October 14 2013 07:36 GMT
#1202
The only real things to make absolutely sure of when you are embarking on your build is to make sure the motherboard and CPU will work together. Beyond that, everything else is fairly standard. Even motherboards and CPUs are pretty standard, there are just more varieties. I mean, as long as you don't buy an AMD chip for an Intel board, you should be golden. (Okay, or slot A for slot B, etc, etc.)

There was a brief time, in the dark days, when you had to worry about RAM and HDD compatibilities, but I'm pretty sure the memory slots are standard to the point of "just make sure it's not laptop" and if it's not a SATA you don't want to go there.

The resources in this thread from the regulars are awesome, you should be okay. (Also, PC Parts Picker has great "show only compatible" option, so even the above is probably moot.)

+ Show Spoiler +
Drives man. My old laptop just missed SATA - the drive is dying and there's just about no way I'm going to find another 2.5" IDE drive (I'd be willing to buy.). SSD? Forget it.


Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Ironpool
Profile Joined July 2012
United States9 Posts
October 14 2013 11:51 GMT
#1203
Hello, I'm currently running a GTX 650 Ti 1GB on a 1920x1080 display and I'm wondering if it would be worth it to upgrade my video card. So far I've been considering an HD 7850 or 7970, but I'm still on the fence about upgrading. Any advice?

Current Build:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4 GHz
8GB RAM
PNY GTX 650 Ti 1GB
Corsair 650W PSU

Native Resolution:
1920 x 1080

Reason for Upgrade:
I want to be able to run everything on Ultra for SCII smoothly, and possibly run future games on High Settings at least. (With mid-high FPS)

Budget:
Around $200 would be preferable, but I'm open to suggestions!

Country:
USA

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated, thanks!
SlayerS fan for life!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 14 2013 15:14 GMT
#1204
If you're only afraid of compatibility issues, one of the good things about pcpartpicker is that it's noob friendly. it will automatically warn you about most incompability issues

secondly, this thread is golden in regards of getting almost any question answered. ^^



anyway, found this on oc.net and i thought it was pretty amazing: http://www.overclock.net/t/1383503/mod-build-thread-august-2013-motm-winner-c70-master-mavis-first-time-modder
maru lover forever
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 16:03:52
October 14 2013 15:43 GMT
#1205
On October 14 2013 20:51 Ironpool wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Hello, I'm currently running a GTX 650 Ti 1GB on a 1920x1080 display and I'm wondering if it would be worth it to upgrade my video card. So far I've been considering an HD 7850 or 7970, but I'm still on the fence about upgrading. Any advice?

Current Build:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4 GHz
8GB RAM
PNY GTX 650 Ti 1GB
Corsair 650W PSU

Native Resolution:
1920 x 1080

Reason for Upgrade:
I want to be able to run everything on Ultra for SCII smoothly, and possibly run future games on High Settings at least. (With mid-high FPS)

Budget:
Around $200 would be preferable, but I'm open to suggestions!

Country:
USA

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated, thanks!

GPU isn't the bottleneck here. Your CPU is.

You should consider overclocking. If your motherboard supports it and you have a sufficient cooler raising your BLCK from 266 to 333 would have massive gains in performance (2.4Ghz/1067RAM/FSB vs 3Ghz/1333RAM/FSB). You would need to research further into it however.

E: Consider this:

I have a Core 2 Extreme X6800. It's a dual-core version of what you have, except the CPU multiplier is unlocked.

It's 2.93Ghz/1067RAM/FSB stock. I get 28.17 FPS average in GTA 4's benchmark.

When I up the BLCK to 333 (and drop the multiplier from x11 to x10) It's 3.33Ghz/1333RAM/FSB. I get 35.42FPS average is GTA 4's benchmark.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 17:23:21
October 14 2013 17:22 GMT
#1206
On October 14 2013 20:51 Ironpool wrote:
Hello, I'm currently running a GTX 650 Ti 1GB on a 1920x1080 display and I'm wondering if it would be worth it to upgrade my video card. So far I've been considering an HD 7850 or 7970, but I'm still on the fence about upgrading. Any advice?
+ Show Spoiler +

Current Build:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4 GHz
8GB RAM
PNY GTX 650 Ti 1GB
Corsair 650W PSU

Native Resolution:
1920 x 1080

Reason for Upgrade:
I want to be able to run everything on Ultra for SCII smoothly, and possibly run future games on High Settings at least. (With mid-high FPS)

Budget:
Around $200 would be preferable, but I'm open to suggestions!

Country:
USA

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated, thanks!



Your card should be able to easily handle maximum settings for SCII at your resolution. I'm going to throw out the idea that your problems occur late game, when lots of units are on the field, particularly in team games. I mention that largely because those are the classic signs of CPU problems in SCII.

Turning down settings generally won't help your performance, so for now you can turn most of those back up. A few graphics settings demand physics calculations, however (particularly the new collision, flying pieces of whatever death animations that respond to which direction the damage came from). Turning down graphics settings that require physics calculations (aka effort from your CPU) can help. The graphics options menu for SCII generally mention which settings require CPU power in their tooltips.

Unfortunately, you'll probably want to spend a little more than $200 when you upgrade, since you'll pretty much be looking at getting a locked Intel i5 (say, an i5-4750) and as cheap an H81 mobo as you can find. Unless you decide to overclock. That costs quite a bit more.

Note, however, that if you play games other than SCII and are also unhappy with performance in those games - then it could well be GPU rather than CPU.

Edit: Synpah gave some excellent advice, particularly as regards a possible moderate upgrade for little cost re:overclocking.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 14 2013 17:26 GMT
#1207
GTX 650 Ti isn't that bad a card really, I would also probably upgrade CPU & motherboard before getting a new graphics card, especially if I just wanted to play SC2. SC2 is known for having not that great an engine and being highly demanding CPU wise.
maru lover forever
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 17:42:30
October 14 2013 17:42 GMT
#1208
I'd definitely get a G3220 + H81 mobo + 4GB DDR3 RAM instead of a new video card.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 14 2013 18:20 GMT
#1209
The weird thing is that GTX 650 Ti isn't even that far from $200 itself and there's no new architecture or process shrink to upgrade to, yet the CPU is 6-7 years old. I mean, how often are you swapping video cards?
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 14 2013 18:31 GMT
#1210
Something like this perhaps?

$126 - i3-4130: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=I3-4130BOX&c=CJ
$53 - ASRock H81M-HDS: http://www.microcenter.com/product/419739/H81M-HDS_LGA_1150_mATX_Intel_Motherboard
$30 - Crucial 4Gb RAM DDR3 1600: http://us.ncix.com/products/?usaffiliateid=1000031504&sku=78531&vpn=BLE2KIT2G3D1608DE1TX0&manufacture=CRUCIAL TECHNOLOGY

^That's what I would consider getting in his shoes. i3 isn't a bad processor and this falls close to $200 ($213 total).
maru lover forever
roborovski007
Profile Joined October 2013
5 Posts
October 14 2013 19:25 GMT
#1211
contemplating whether to get the Radeon 7750 or 7770, difference about $20, play Dota 2 mostly, on 1366x768 reso.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 14 2013 20:11 GMT
#1212
$20 difference?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/536?vs=535

I would most definitely go with the 7770.
maru lover forever
mayhem123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States101 Posts
October 14 2013 20:26 GMT
#1213
If anyone is looking for 8gb of RAM, I have Kingston HyperX Beast 2x4GB DDR3 1600 that I won from iem new york over the weekend. I'll give it out for like $75 if anyone wants.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104362
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 14 2013 20:35 GMT
#1214
$75 is overpriced for that fyi... it's worth like maybe $50-$55 at best.
mayhem123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States101 Posts
October 14 2013 20:46 GMT
#1215
On October 15 2013 05:35 skyR wrote:
$75 is overpriced for that fyi... it's worth like maybe $50-$55 at best.

Well if anyone wants it for like $55, I'm fine with that. I was just undercutting retail.
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
October 14 2013 21:05 GMT
#1216
What is the difference in rams? Other than ddr3 being the newest model out atm ?
does it matter wat kind of ram u get? Like if u want 8gb cant u get any ddr3 2x4gb ram?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 14 2013 21:17 GMT
#1217
Yes you can just get any 2x4gb kit, it doesn't really matter.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 22:00:27
October 14 2013 21:42 GMT
#1218
So because my Core 2 Extreme is a terrible overclocker I'm going to get an E7500 of ebay for ~$25 with the hopes of getting 3.8-4.2Ghz out of it. Also I will be getting a CM 212 +/EVO. Wish me luck.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
October 14 2013 22:14 GMT
#1219
GL!

Also hey, stop posting on anandtech cpu/mobo articles they won't listen to anything regarding the basics of haswell overclocking
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
October 14 2013 22:48 GMT
#1220
On October 15 2013 07:14 Cyro wrote:
GL!

Also hey, stop posting on anandtech cpu/mobo articles they won't listen to anything regarding the basics of haswell overclocking

Ha ha yeah. Well the guy responded once to me at around the beginning of Haswell about tuning VRIN (they were using ASUS's default setting of 1.65v because it auto OC'd the best lolol) but I couldn't substantiate my claim (gigabytes oc guide wasn't out yet).
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
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