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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 15 2013 06:11 GMT
#1241
That's not a fair comparison, why compare price before mail in rebate with price after mail in rebate? GTX 650 Ti Boost is like $110 after mail in rebate.

There's nothing special about multiple monitors, a $30 card could do it and even most motherboards can do two displays.
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
October 15 2013 06:18 GMT
#1242
Yeah i didnt realize the PC part picker shows prices after promos and rebate and such hahaha

also, if theres no needed special requirements for more than 2 monitors, whats the about things like " support three monitors without the use of display port"

and i also read other topcis such as "this item allows ability for x monitors" and such
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 15 2013 06:26 GMT
#1243
AMD only put two TMDS transmitters in their cards before the 200 series so one for DVI and the other one was shared between the DVI and HDMI so you had to use display port if you wanted three or more monitors from a single card. It's a non issue for modern setups since every card supports two monitors and your motherboard can support another two. If you're worried about stuff like this than you're just way overthinking.
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
October 15 2013 06:32 GMT
#1244
On October 15 2013 15:26 skyR wrote:
AMD only put two TMDS transmitters in their cards before the 200 series so one for DVI and the other one was shared between the DVI and HDMI so you had to use display port if you wanted three or more monitors from a single card. It's a non issue for modern setups since every card supports two monitors and your motherboard can support another two. If you're worried about stuff like this than you're just way overthinking.



Yeah, i get that ALOT on things i pursue lol. I dunno why but its just my personality. I tend to over research and try to optimize w/e I do so i dont put stuff (or features) to waste. Also, research on one topic brings up more terms/topics I have to look up, and its just an endless cycle.


Anyways, so is the mobo i chose out okay? or is it still overkill if i will not be doing any SLI/Crossfire with it?
(meaning i should look for a H81 or B85 mobo???)

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 15 2013 06:44 GMT
#1245
You should probably get a ~$70 board.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 15 2013 19:06 GMT
#1246
@Skyr so basically you're recommending staying with the 7000 series cards rather than the new R series if we're going with an AMD card, correct? It's kind of funny the reviews made it seem like they were cards worth getting (and not just one site). I wonder if, generally speaking, it's better not to get very new GPUs?

How do you know so much stuff q_q
maru lover forever
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
October 15 2013 19:10 GMT
#1247
If you truly are a hardware enthusiast, you tend to stay updated on industry developments. E.g. why did AMD delay the NDA lift of the 290/290X :p
With no power comes no responsibility?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 19:23:04
October 15 2013 19:21 GMT
#1248
You don't even need to read the reviews this time. All it takes is a look at the specifications table and then a look at prices online. These use the same chips and configurations as the old cards but at different clock speed settings. Of course they're not worth getting unless the price and bundles are equivalent or better.

When a new graphics card actually offers a GPU of a different design or is able to cram more parts in due to using a more advanced (typically: smaller size) manufacturing process, then there actually may be reasons to get the new product. Usually a new release will have worse price/performance, but it might carry some new features or have better performance for the power consumption or something else like that.

This release is top-to-bottom a straight rehash of cards available 1-2 years ago (except for maybe a feature on the R7 270X and the yet-unreleased and actually new R9 290X / 290). Because they're listed as new and a lot of people won't know better, the prices are disproportionately high relative to worth, especially when you consider the games bundle on the old parts.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 19:42:09
October 15 2013 19:30 GMT
#1249
So then the people who write the reviews don't even know any better?

I also understand what you're getting at. When you say new feature are we talking about something like Nvidia's Shadowplay and things like that?

I imagine that it might be possible to get more performance out of the same chip by increasing clockspeed, but since we can already OC our cards ourselves then these new cards aren't better than the old ones. Unless it's possible for the manufacturer to have the card be stable at higher clock speeds? That would depend more on the guys adding the coolers (like Gigabyte or ASUS) though.


Also the R9 290X is going to use a new chipset, so that's the card really worth looking no? Not buying per se, just to look at.
maru lover forever
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 15 2013 19:46 GMT
#1250
If you have $800 to spend, sure. R7 260X is also new but also sort of a bad purchase with the GTX 650 Ti Boost at $130 (~$110 after mail-in rebate).

The newer cards guarantee a higher memory clock but that isn't really worth it at the cost of $30 more and 2-3 games.

New features could be anything. In this case, it would be True Audio and not having to use displayport for a third display.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 15 2013 19:52 GMT
#1251
R9 290X going to be an expensive flagship, but it's going to have better performance.

Reviewers look at things in terms of progression and history as well as having the articles stand true when revisited in the future; thus, the focus is often on card launch prices and trends. That doesn't mean that the new cards are better values than old stock getting discounted, and that's not what's being said if you read more carefully (hopefully).
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 15 2013 19:57 GMT
#1252
That actually makes sense if you put it that

thanks both of you, love learning more about hardware ^^
maru lover forever
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 22:41:15
October 15 2013 22:26 GMT
#1253
Looking up more mother boards that will go with i5 4670 and GTX 660.

in this site, i filtered out the potential H81 mobos. http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/#qq=1&c=92

and to my understanding, a Micro ATX is bigger than a mini ITX.

so why is the mini ITX cost about $20 more?

i also found this deal on newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1460544

is that good deal?? since im already looking to get a regular gtx 660 and a mobo.

but the price on the gtx 660 ti in that deal is ~~$250. So im thinking its nto worth it and just better to buy GTX 660 and a ~~$70 - $130 mobo and save a hundred dollars
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 15 2013 23:37 GMT
#1254
mITX is more expensive than mATX because of volume.
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 23:38:53
October 15 2013 23:38 GMT
#1255
are there any H81 mobos that is ATX ?? they are all micro or mini itx.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OY3J

even in the mobo i picked out, there was only like 4 ATX H87 mobos
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 23:51:32
October 15 2013 23:51 GMT
#1256
Yes there are some H81 ATX motherboards.
Ironpool
Profile Joined July 2012
United States9 Posts
October 15 2013 23:54 GMT
#1257
Thanks to the people who made suggestions to me earlier!
I decided to go with a CPU/Motherboard upgrade rather than a Video Card upgrade.
The question I have this time is it worth going for a i5 4670K with Z87 over a i5 4430 with H87 if I don't plan on overclocking at all. Again, I'm open to advice and suggestions, thanks!
SlayerS fan for life!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 15 2013 23:55 GMT
#1258
If you are not overclocking than a 4670k and Z87 would just be a waste of money. You could get a 4670 with a H87 / H81 / B85 for less and get the exact same performance.
Ironpool
Profile Joined July 2012
United States9 Posts
October 16 2013 00:00 GMT
#1259
On October 16 2013 08:55 skyR wrote:
If you are not overclocking than a 4670k and Z87 would just be a waste of money. You could get a 4670 with a H87 / H81 / B85 for less and get the exact same performance.


Would there be a significant difference between the 4430 and the 4670?
SlayerS fan for life!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 16 2013 00:01 GMT
#1260
4430 is 600MHz slower than 4670.
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