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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-06-04 18:14:27
June 04 2025 10:40 GMT
#14881
On June 04 2025 13:09 mantequilla wrote:
for 1080p, is there a difference btw 4070 super 12gb and 5070 12gb? benchmark scores seem very close, but I don't know if 5070 has some newer technology that can make a difference in the coming years

5070 here is available for $680 (new) and 4070 super is $555 (used)


Quad framegen is the main thing, much better than dual framegen (same latency cost but 3x as many added frames) and it massively changes the balance of what you can run with the game performance at an acceptable level. The gaming landscape has been sharply divided between games and cards which do support quad framegen and those which don't, especially for high refresh rate users.

Under the hood the 5000 series has several times more tensor performance to enable this and other features.

There is also display connectors, 4000 series has DP1.4 while 5000 has DP2.1 w/ UHBR20 which more than doubles achievable resolutions / refresh rates / color depth which matters a lot if you want to use a high resolution and/or high refresh rate monitor.

For example DP1.4 manages 4k 10bit at 97hz while DP2.1 UHBR20 can do 267hz.

DSC exists to stretch these limits, but it's awful. It causes features to be removed (like DSR/DLDSR) and serious usability problems like the monitor not being detected for 5 seconds when you alt tab, which has Windows move all of your desktop icons into a pile on your other screen/s and similar issues with e.g. game UI's. I used it for less than 2 weeks and i will never touch it again.

Warranty is a thing as well, with used they are at best 1-2 year into their warranty period and at worst not transferrable.

Personally i would be looking at 5060ti 16GB (rather have this than a 4070) or a 5070ti 16GB depending on budget. There'll soon be an 18GB 5070 variant but it's not here now, and until then the VRAM to performance and VRAM to price ratios are too hard of a sell for 12GB 5070 IMO.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-06-04 18:54:55
June 04 2025 18:53 GMT
#14882
Thank you as always, Cryo!

When it comes to 1080p, how much of an issue 12GB VRAM is? It seems people are divided between "doomed" and "non-issue."

I typically like to hold on to a card until it no longer performs enough, which usually means it loses most of its resale value by then, honestly I went from gtx 750 -> 1060 -> 5700xt.

In terms of raw performance, my 5700xt is still "okay" for the games I care about, but it has several non-performance-related issues.For instance, the display driver crashes whenever I connect my second monitor, so I connected it to the onboard HDMI with integrated graphics. However, now when I move a window between monitors, it behaves oddly, like YouTube videos freezing and similar issues

There’s a noticeable gap in raw performance between the 4070 Super and the 5060 Ti, but I’m unsure which will be a headache sooner in the long run: missing a specific feature or lacking raw power or lacking enough VRAM

Also am I understanding correctly, frame gen doesn't help when you are getting say 20fps and bumping it 4x, it would still be unplayable right?
Age of Mythology forever!
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
June 04 2025 20:17 GMT
#14883
On June 05 2025 03:53 mantequilla wrote:
Thank you as always, Cryo!

When it comes to 1080p, how much of an issue 12GB VRAM is? It seems people are divided between "doomed" and "non-issue."

I typically like to hold on to a card until it no longer performs enough, which usually means it loses most of its resale value by then, honestly I went from gtx 750 -> 1060 -> 5700xt.

In terms of raw performance, my 5700xt is still "okay" for the games I care about, but it has several non-performance-related issues.For instance, the display driver crashes whenever I connect my second monitor, so I connected it to the onboard HDMI with integrated graphics. However, now when I move a window between monitors, it behaves oddly, like YouTube videos freezing and similar issues

There’s a noticeable gap in raw performance between the 4070 Super and the 5060 Ti, but I’m unsure which will be a headache sooner in the long run: missing a specific feature or lacking raw power or lacking enough VRAM

Also am I understanding correctly, frame gen doesn't help when you are getting say 20fps and bumping it 4x, it would still be unplayable right?


I have a 4070 super and I can game fairly comfortably at 3440x1440. I'm generally limited by what I consider to be low fps in settings before I run out of VRAM. At 1080 I'd imagine it to be a non-issue. I'd definitely take the extra native frames over a few extra generated frames.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-06-06 00:18:10
June 05 2025 00:28 GMT
#14884
On June 05 2025 03:53 mantequilla wrote:
Thank you as always, Cryo!

When it comes to 1080p, how much of an issue 12GB VRAM is? It seems people are divided between "doomed" and "non-issue."

I typically like to hold on to a card until it no longer performs enough, which usually means it loses most of its resale value by then, honestly I went from gtx 750 -> 1060 -> 5700xt.

In terms of raw performance, my 5700xt is still "okay" for the games I care about, but it has several non-performance-related issues.For instance, the display driver crashes whenever I connect my second monitor, so I connected it to the onboard HDMI with integrated graphics. However, now when I move a window between monitors, it behaves oddly, like YouTube videos freezing and similar issues

There’s a noticeable gap in raw performance between the 4070 Super and the 5060 Ti, but I’m unsure which will be a headache sooner in the long run: missing a specific feature or lacking raw power or lacking enough VRAM

Also am I understanding correctly, frame gen doesn't help when you are getting say 20fps and bumping it 4x, it would still be unplayable right?


The bar for being able to max games is currently usually between 8GB and 12GB for 1080p (one or two can't max @ 1080p with 12GB, but have minimal loss). It's rising each year. Historically extra VRAM pays off very well, as there is a large range of visual upgrades which cost primarily memory rather than processing time and those run great on cards that are a little bit dated or lower end but have VRAM, while they don't run at all on cards which don't.

Both DLSS and framegen are temporal and work better with higher framerates (better quality, fewer artifacts - and for framegen, a smaller latency penalty). As a rough guide, FPS of 30 before framegen is bad, 60 is okay and 120 is excellent.

Personally i still prefer to have FG on with a base framerate of 30, i.e. the result is less bad than just having 30fps, but the holes and downsides go from close to invisible at 120>480 to being pretty huge and annoying at 30>120. It's just that playing a game at 30fps will be a mess of blur and stroboscopic artifacts anyway so it's a case of bad vs less bad.

Blur is inversely proportional to framerate (i.e. half of the framerate has 2x as much eye-tracking motion blur). Stroboscopic artifacting is inversely proportional as well, half of the framerate has 2x artifact size / visibility. e.g. [image loading].

Framegen is huge for fixing both of these. People talk a lot about imperfections in interpolation, but don't generally give as much weight as they should to image problems that come with a lower framerate despite them often far outweighing any imperfection from interpolation.

Between DLSS & FG you are heavily incentivized to play with higher resolutions and refresh rates because they're huge visual uplifts with minimal cost. 4k used to have 25-35% of the FPS of 1080, now it's more like 80% with a very respectable image quality. If you can get to 60-120fps base, you can pump it to 240-480 etc. Running on a 1920x1080 @60hz monitor is a huge waste of potential overall, you really need high resolution and/or high refresh rate (preferably both) to get the most out of a modern day system. Without either, monitor will be a huge bottleneck in your experience. That's also where having 2.7x the bandwidth from a better version of Displayport plays a large role.

Those monitors are not super expensive, either. My main monitor at the moment is a 1080p 380hz fast IPS which costs ~£300 (MSRP for 5060ti 16GB is £400 for reference). It has VRR with per-frame adaptive overdrive in the scaler, and it's better than a £750 monitor from 5 years ago. If that's too much then there are 280hz 1080p fast-IPS monitors at half of that price again (~£150) and that's kind of the minimum bar to make good use of a graphics card like this i think. Big resolution or big refresh rate, both if possible :D

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^good show of the state of VRAM. 12GB is not there now, it will be in 2027
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
bipin775
Profile Joined June 2025
3 Posts
June 09 2025 05:14 GMT
#14885
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44216 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-06-25 16:22:47
June 25 2025 15:18 GMT
#14886
Looking for a laptop for running multiple eve online clients, using for Minecraft, and for video calls. Will spend most of its time on a desk with peripherals but will also go to sleepovers or Minecraft parties from time to time. Budget $500 or so. Thinking this?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D4WCZGNF?psc=1
like new for $550
or
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CKXYYDRW?psc=1

Any better options out there or is this more or less what I’m after?
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
June 25 2025 19:59 GMT
#14887
On June 26 2025 00:18 KwarK wrote:
Looking for a laptop for running multiple eve online clients, using for Minecraft, and for video calls. Will spend most of its time on a desk with peripherals but will also go to sleepovers or Minecraft parties from time to time. Budget $500 or so. Thinking this?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D4WCZGNF?psc=1
like new for $550
or
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CKXYYDRW?psc=1

Any better options out there or is this more or less what I’m after?


First looks better, i don't really know about laptops in that price range
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
willamabroy2
Profile Joined July 2025
2 Posts
July 11 2025 03:24 GMT
#14888
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 28 2025 08:37 GMT
#14889
I am using an ultrawide monitor (2560 x 1080) but I can not play games in 1920 x 1080p.
I am sure that was possible with gtx1050 but not with rtx3050 anymore?!
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
September 04 2025 17:02 GMT
#14890
On August 28 2025 17:37 Dingodile wrote:
I am using an ultrawide monitor (2560 x 1080) but I can not play games in 1920 x 1080p.
I am sure that was possible with gtx1050 but not with rtx3050 anymore?!


You can make a custom 1920x1080 resolution in the nvidia control panel
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
November 24 2025 18:14 GMT
#14891
Hi guys. Scored a 4tb 990 Evo Plus for black friday.
Will go to a PC that is almost exclusively for gaming. It currently has a 2tb SN770.

The Evo Plus is technically the faster drive, so most would want that as the main OS drive; but I'm thinking I shouldn't bother. One, the SN770 should be more than fast enough. And two, if I use the Evo Plus as the primary "gaming" drive, I'd probably prefer Windows be on a separate drive anyway so that one drive handles everything OS related and another handles all game updates etc.

Almost 100% sure it wouldn't matter either way, but thoughts?
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
November 28 2025 10:29 GMT
#14892
I was just about to buy RAM to complete a new build, then the news happened, now many existing ones say "temporarily out of stock". Should I wait for things to settle or just buy one that is somehow still in stock?

The ram I found in stock is CMH32GX5M2B5600C40W btw, this will go into a MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI mobo.
Age of Mythology forever!
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
December 01 2025 16:17 GMT
#14893
On November 28 2025 19:29 mantequilla wrote:
I was just about to buy RAM to complete a new build, then the news happened, now many existing ones say "temporarily out of stock". Should I wait for things to settle or just buy one that is somehow still in stock?

The ram I found in stock is CMH32GX5M2B5600C40W btw, this will go into a MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI mobo.

Doesn't sound like the memory shortage will get resolved anytime soon, and might get worse.
You probably need to bite the bullet and just buy asap.

Your only other option, depending on prices in your region, is to buy one 16gb stick now. Then buy a second stick when prices come back down in a year or so.

You'll lose some performance with a single stick, but not too much and its only temporary. However, I don't have any experience with pairing RAM sticks that are not part of the same kit. You may or may not run into issues, even if they're exactly the same.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
December 04 2025 08:56 GMT
#14894
On December 02 2025 01:17 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2025 19:29 mantequilla wrote:
I was just about to buy RAM to complete a new build, then the news happened, now many existing ones say "temporarily out of stock". Should I wait for things to settle or just buy one that is somehow still in stock?

The ram I found in stock is CMH32GX5M2B5600C40W btw, this will go into a MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI mobo.

Doesn't sound like the memory shortage will get resolved anytime soon, and might get worse.
You probably need to bite the bullet and just buy asap.

Your only other option, depending on prices in your region, is to buy one 16gb stick now. Then buy a second stick when prices come back down in a year or so.

You'll lose some performance with a single stick, but not too much and its only temporary. However, I don't have any experience with pairing RAM sticks that are not part of the same kit. You may or may not run into issues, even if they're exactly the same.



Thanks!! It sure looks like that...

I have another question on my mind, I see many rams with "Intel XMP" on their name, that does not mean it won't work with AMD right? there are a bunch of different comments on the internet so I wanted to just make sure.
Age of Mythology forever!
spencerelias
Profile Joined December 2025
1 Post
December 15 2025 08:03 GMT
#14895
nice
Kishan Singh
Profile Joined May 2026
1 Post
May 29 2026 07:16 GMT
#14896
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SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria873 Posts
June 28 2026 09:02 GMT
#14897
RAM and NVME disk prices are so depressing nowadays and it's all because of AI. Hopefully we can all hold out for at least 1-2 years without upgrading PC. :D
Or maybe we should wait for some revolutionary algorithm to stabilise RAM prices, e.g. https://research.google/blog/turboquant-redefining-ai-efficiency-with-extreme-compression/
Rizare
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada593 Posts
June 28 2026 17:31 GMT
#14898
I don't hear good things about Windows 11 either and that would be an issue even if ram and ssd prices were still the same. If the day comes where I get a new PC, I'm considering Bazzite for Linux OS since I hear about it as the gaming distro.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
July 20 2026 06:17 GMT
#14899
Not really a hardware question. More on the software side.

I was fortunate to buy a used M1 Mac Studio Ultra 64GB 64 gpu cores before the RAM apocalypse. Literally months before!

I use it for local AI. Nothing cloud. Mostly generating photos & videos. Occasionally a silly chat bot. I’m trying to explore more options with AI, but most of the AI stuff is for CUDA which is Nvidia hence NOT MacOS.

Anyone else with Mac got local AI running? Such as AI music, image to 3D models, QWEn coding, etc.
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