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Cyro
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
So, I used to think that a GPU with like a name Geforce gtx 770 was one gpu, like how a i7 4770 is one kind of cpu. but then, now im seeing that the name Geforce gtx 770 is actually something called a "chip set" ???? and theres actually a whole bunch of geforce gtx 770 chipsets with a seperate name for each one? like for example EVGA 02G-P4-2774-KR, and the Gigabyte GV-N770OC-4GD. so they are both a geforce gtx 770 gpu? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
like if you decide to get the gtx 770 gpu, with all the models of it, how do you decide? the only thing i can think of atm the the dedicated amount of memory | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
I guess there's also clock speeds. If you want to have a guarantee'd overclock than you can spend a bit more for a higher pre-overclocked card. There's also display outputs obviously but most cards include the standard so unless you're looking for a specific setup than it doesn't really matter. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
just to make sure i understand what your saying. so lets say i am looking to buy a gtx 770, is it safe for me to buy the cheapest priced model? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
Im guessing a different model of the same chipset wont change anything then. | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121803 | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On October 15 2013 12:22 iTzSnypah wrote: ASUS R9 280X for $316 is easily the best price/performance of the high end cards right now. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121803 Possibly why it's out of stock on newegg.  | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OY3J For now i only picked out the CPU, GPU and mother board. Do not plan to overclock. so i picked out a H87 mobo along with a locked CPU, so i will also be just using the stock heatsink I realize the GPU is a geforce for SLI, and the mobo is crossfire compatabile, but i do not plan on doing SLI or Crossfire. But will these parts be compatible still? (I will probably do SLI or crossfire later on down the road.) + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $1000, with cheaper the cost the better What is your monitor's native resolution? Dunno what this means, but i plan on buying a monitor. i will be getting 2 monitors. Im not sure if the components i picked out allows 2 monitors? and does having 2 monitors change anything? (spec necessity wise, like if you want SLI/crossfire you need a mobo that allows it along with a gpu that allows it) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? atm i am trying to build a PC that can run watchdogs at between medium to high settings. (not max settings for sure.) Will play LoL (not really a spec demanding game tho) and other future games that comes out. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? School related stuff. and web browsing, watching movies, watching streams. Do you intend to overclock? no maybe in the future Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no maybe in the future. Do you need an operating system? Yes, i would like windows 7, which kind should i get tho? Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Only a monitor, (i plan on buying a black widow keyboard, or maybe something else if u guys can recommended me one) If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. none atm. I would like to stick with an intel CPU tho, along with brands that are well known for being reliable. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. any is good where the price will be cheapest. atm, i only know Newegg. Can i get alot of feedback on the CPU GPU and mobo i chose. also, if i plan on getting a 4th gen cpu, should i just go for the i7 4770 or is the cpu i chose good? and another thing im not sure on is the GPU. are there better ones for the same price? thank you guys for the help EDIT: oh and i need A LOT of help on choosing out a PSU, i have no idea where to start on that. Some people say to just choose based on the watts shown, but according to the guide on this thread, it says buying based on watts isnt a good thign to do. also what do you guys recommend on memory? i would like 8GB total. thinking of the corsair vengence seeing as how that seems to be the most common one people are taking. and with the SSD and HDD i plan on buying the one thats bought the most by people. (im assuming price range per GB for these and what kind of SSD or HDD doesnt really matter??) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Why do you want an i7 when your GPU isn't top notch? Spending $100 on a GPU is going to net significantly better performance than hyperthreading. $100 is too much to spend for a H87. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On October 15 2013 13:57 skyR wrote: I don't plan on doing SLI / Crossfire but probably do it down the road... hmm what? Why do you want an i7 when your GPU isn't top notch? Spending $100 on a GPU is going to net significantly better performance than hyperthreading. $100 is too much to spend for a H87. i mean i dont plan to Overclock or SLI/Crossfire with this build. but maybe when i upgrade in the future and when i actually learn about the process will i overclock or make a rig that will efficiently use SLI/crossfire kinda figured on the i7 for the H87, when im using pcpartpickers, I filterd it out to intel H87 and ATX form factor, and all the ones that came up are $90-$100 dollars. and reading reviews, the mobo i chose has better ones over the others that came up during the filter. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
If you're looking to save money then I guess you can get a less expenisve motherboard. If you're only looking for basic functionality and you won't be overclocking or going SLI, then you can use less expensive chipsets such as B85 or H81. If you are looking for SLI then actually I guess you do need a H87 motherboard. For choosing a PSU, you can look at this list if you don't feel like doing research on PSUs. Or you can ask in this thread what some people would recommend. I would personally go for a XFX Core 450w or something like that. Realize that if you're going to SLI you'll probably need more than 450w. I would say something like 600w to be on the super safe side. 8 Gb of RAM is recommended for a gaming rig. GPU is a matter of taste and budget as there are a lot of viable options on the market. You can check out benchmarks and reviews on different sites to find one suited for you. As an example build, I came up with this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OZle Meaning that your build without the GPU will cost ~$550. This leaves you another $450 for Windows 7, a monitor and a GPU. It really depends on how much you're willing to spend. For 1080p gaming I guess the 660 isn't a bad card at all. However it may be very interesting to look into the R9 270X, a card that competes directly with the GTX 660. Read some: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/63523-amd-radeon-r9-270x-r7-260x-review-22.html http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/10/08/amd-280x-270x-260x-reviews/11 You may probably want to look into the R9 280X if you fancy something from the high end segment. Though a high end card will be much more expensive, there's a couple good things about getting one. Since you will be getting a high end card, you won't need to Crossfire/SLI. This means you can stick to a 450w PSU and you can get an H81 or B85 motherboard. It also fits your budget and finally, in the long run a single $316 card may be less expensive than two $200 cards. Also you get 3 Gb of VRAM instead of 2 Gb. All up to you and your budget, for 1080p gaming the GTX660/R9270X are fine. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
it says for haswells, Z87 for overclocking, and H87 if not overclocking. and on the description for B85 and H81 Mobo, it says "budget chipset meant for "buisnessess 7950 but many manufacturers have elected to use these for the low-end consumer segment as well" and "H81 is the consumer budget chipset, it closely resembles the B85 in feature set." with this part getting to me "If you just need basic functionality than an in-expensive B85 or H81 is what you want." I was thinking that the B85 and the H81 mobo isnt for a gaming rig. So im guessing I read that section wrong?? lol. also, for the GPU, is there another card you recommended? (not ones thats competting with each other like the R9 (which i was happy that you gave me the info on tho :D) but like any other ones thats higher in performance and more bang for your buck basically?) because how i decided on the GTX 660 is that i was looking at the GTX 650 Ti boost, and i saw that the GTX 660 is better performance/same performance and the price was the same. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 15 2013 14:18 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler + i7 4770 is huge overkill for just playing games and browsing the internet or doing school work. The i5 you chose is a good choice. i7 is for people like Day9 who encode a monstrous amount every day. If you're looking to save money then I guess you can get a less expenisve motherboard. If you're only looking for basic functionality and you won't be overclocking or going SLI, then you can use less expensive chipsets such as B85 or H81. If you are looking for SLI then actually I guess you do need a H87 motherboard. For choosing a PSU, you can look at this list if you don't feel like doing research on PSUs. Or you can ask in this thread what some people would recommend. I would personally go for a XFX Core 450w or something like that. Realize that if you're going to SLI you'll probably need more than 450w. I would say something like 600w to be on the super safe side. 8 Gb of RAM is recommended for a gaming rig. GPU is a matter of taste and budget as there are a lot of viable options on the market. You can check out benchmarks and reviews on different sites to find one suited for you. As an example build, I came up with this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OZle Meaning that your build without the GPU will cost ~$550. This leaves you another $450 for Windows 7, a monitor and a GPU. It really depends on how much you're willing to spend. For 1080p gaming I guess the 660 isn't a bad card at all. However it may be very interesting to look into the R9 270X, a card that competes directly with the GTX 660. Read some: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/63523-amd-radeon-r9-270x-r7-260x-review-22.html http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/10/08/amd-280x-270x-260x-reviews/11 You may probably want to look into the R9 280X if you fancy something from the high end segment. Though a high end card will be much more expensive, there's a couple good things about getting one. Since you will be getting a high end card, you won't need to Crossfire/SLI. This means you can stick to a 450w PSU and you can get an H81 or B85 motherboard. It also fits your budget and finally, in the long run a single $316 card may be less expensive than two $200 cards. Also you get 3 Gb of VRAM instead of 2 Gb. All up to you and your budget, for 1080p gaming the GTX660/R9270X are fine. H87 does not support SLI. SLI requires both 8x 8x PCIe and only Z87 can do that. GTX 660 for $165 is way better than a R9 270X. R9 270X is a rebranded 7870 and it's a stupid rebrand because it costs more and doesn't come with the game bundle. The only thing you're getting from the R9 270X is being able to support three monitors without the use of display port (GTX 660 can do this). edit: ya a R9 270X is stupid since $10 more gets you a 7950. R9 280X is a rebranded 7970 and is also questionable since a 7970 is less expensive and comes with three games. If you rather have a XFX Core Edition rather than a Rosewill Capstone due to the rebate than I don't really see why you picked a R9 280X over the better valued but identical 7970. AMD really fucked up their rebrand. On October 15 2013 14:29 IMKR wrote:+ Show Spoiler + When i was choosing the mother board, i was using the the guide the 1st page of this thread by SkyR. it says for haswells, Z87 for overclocking, and H87 if not overclocking. and on the description for B85 and H81 Mobo, it says "budget chipset meant for "buisnessess 7950 but many manufacturers have elected to use these for the low-end consumer segment as well" and "H81 is the consumer budget chipset, it closely resembles the B85 in feature set." with this part getting to me "If you just need basic functionality than an in-expensive B85 or H81 is what you want." I was thinking that the B85 and the H81 mobo isnt for a gaming rig. So im guessing I read that section wrong?? lol. also, for the GPU, is there another card you recommended? (not ones thats competting with each other like the R9 (which i was happy that you gave me the info on tho :D) but like any other ones thats higher in performance and more bang for your buck basically?) because how i decided on the GTX 660 is that i was looking at the GTX 650 Ti boost, and i saw that the GTX 660 is better performance/same performance and the price was the same. Hmm gamers only need basic functionality. Not sure what stuff you need as a gamer besides the basic stuff. It's not like you're going to be adding a RAID card, PCIe SSD, or whatever. GTX 650 Ti Boost is around $130 and isn't all that much worse than a GTX 660. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
and the reason why i chose a gtx 660 is that its only $144 whil the 650 ti boost were around $130 (i chose the Gigabyte GV-N660OC-2GD) with the same memory and core clock. (2 GB and 1.07 GHz) also, are these specs good for getting 2 monitors? (i would like to be playing games and have something else up on the second monitor) and what are the requirements exactly for running more than 1 monitor? it sounds like its a GPU thing? and i thought "basic functiosn" were things like web browing, watching videos, and email and such, like buisness stuff hahaha lol i fail EDIT: oh crap, i didnt realize pcpartpickers displays the prices AFTER promos and rebate and such. so i guess the GPU i chose is $165 :D ooopsss lol | ||
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