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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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DragonSharp
United States85 Posts
I won't start building until maybe like in two months or so since I really want to read up before finally picking all the parts. + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? Possibly around $2000 for just the PC. I can pay a little less or more depending on the parts. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1980 x 1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I actually want to set my engineering software, such as SolidWorks, as my guideline for building a computer. So, it can be both CPU and RAM intensive. But, I do want to play games like Starcraft 2. Maybe ultra setting. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? See above and connecting from work. Do you intend to overclock? Probably not right now, but I'll consider it later. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Nope. Do you need an operating system? Yes, Windows 7. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Definitely I will be getting two monitors and a network adapter. Maybe a mechanical keyboard. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Definitely for my CPU will be a Intel i7. Also considering a SSD along with a normal hard drive (7200 RPM). What country will you be buying your parts in? California, USA. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Just mostly looking at tigerdirect.com and newegg.com. I might look at my local Fry's store. Right now, I'm just reading up on CPUs. Since I won't be doing overclocking initially, I probably want a CPU with a high clock speed like +3.5 GHz with a quad core? Also, should I follow the "Typical Professional" build somewhat? Correct me if I'm wrong. And thanks in advance! | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On October 15 2013 12:57 IMKR wrote: Okay so i gave it a shot. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OY3J For now i only picked out the CPU, GPU and mother board. Do not plan to overclock. so i picked out a H87 mobo along with a locked CPU, so i will also be just using the stock heatsink I realize the GPU is a geforce for SLI, and the mobo is crossfire compatabile, but i do not plan on doing SLI or Crossfire. But will these parts be compatible still? (I will probably do SLI or crossfire later on down the road.) + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $1000, with cheaper the cost the better What is your monitor's native resolution? Dunno what this means, but i plan on buying a monitor. i will be getting 2 monitors. Im not sure if the components i picked out allows 2 monitors? and does having 2 monitors change anything? (spec necessity wise, like if you want SLI/crossfire you need a mobo that allows it along with a gpu that allows it) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? atm i am trying to build a PC that can run watchdogs at between medium to high settings. (not max settings for sure.) Will play LoL (not really a spec demanding game tho) and other future games that comes out. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? School related stuff. and web browsing, watching movies, watching streams. Do you intend to overclock? no maybe in the future Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no maybe in the future. Do you need an operating system? Yes, i would like windows 7, which kind should i get tho? Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Only a monitor, (i plan on buying a black widow keyboard, or maybe something else if u guys can recommended me one) If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. none atm. I would like to stick with an intel CPU tho, along with brands that are well known for being reliable. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. any is good where the price will be cheapest. atm, i only know Newegg. Can i get alot of feedback on the CPU GPU and mobo i chose. also, if i plan on getting a 4th gen cpu, should i just go for the i7 4770 or is the cpu i chose good? and another thing im not sure on is the GPU. are there better ones for the same price? thank you guys for the help EDIT: oh and i need A LOT of help on choosing out a PSU, i have no idea where to start on that. Some people say to just choose based on the watts shown, but according to the guide on this thread, it says buying based on watts isnt a good thign to do. also what do you guys recommend on memory? i would like 8GB total. thinking of the corsair vengence seeing as how that seems to be the most common one people are taking. and with the SSD and HDD i plan on buying the one thats bought the most by people. (im assuming price range per GB for these and what kind of SSD or HDD doesnt really matter??) http://pcpartpicker.com/user/IMKR/saved/2AJK okay i got it . can someone have a full look over? I quoted my own post because the same things apply. such as no overclock or sli/cross fire, looking to get 2 monitors etc etc. also, for the power supply, i was thinking either the one i have on pcbuilders or this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207022&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= and for the hard drive. either the blue cavier i have on pc builders, or this one http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd1002faex and for the psu, they are both haswell compatible. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 16 2013 13:05 DragonSharp wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hi! So I just recently got a job and this will be my first time building a computer. I am looking for build that is both for gaming and engineering work at home. Right now, I just use SolidWorks for my CAD software. Eventually, I want to run simulations from SolidWorks and possibly other engineer software which can be very CPU intensive.I also want to try connecting my new computer from work in case I need something. I won't start building until maybe like in two months or so since I really want to read up before finally picking all the parts. + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? Possibly around $2000 for just the PC. I can pay a little less or more depending on the parts. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1980 x 1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I actually want to set my engineering software, such as SolidWorks, as my guideline for building a computer. So, it can be both CPU and RAM intensive. But, I do want to play games like Starcraft 2. Maybe ultra setting. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? See above and connecting from work. Do you intend to overclock? Probably not right now, but I'll consider it later. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Nope. Do you need an operating system? Yes, Windows 7. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Definitely I will be getting two monitors and a network adapter. Maybe a mechanical keyboard. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Definitely for my CPU will be a Intel i7. Also considering a SSD along with a normal hard drive (7200 RPM). What country will you be buying your parts in? California, USA. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Just mostly looking at tigerdirect.com and newegg.com. I might look at my local Fry's store. Right now, I'm just reading up on CPUs. Since I won't be doing overclocking initially, I probably want a CPU with a high clock speed like +3.5 GHz with a quad core? Also, should I follow the "Typical Professional" build somewhat? Correct me if I'm wrong. And thanks in advance! Yes, that's typically what you want. Though since you're not doing SLI / Crossfire, you can lower the power supply. You may also want to consider a 7970 if you don't need CUDA as a 7970 offers better value than a 770. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 16 2013 13:24 IMKR wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 15 2013 12:57 IMKR wrote: Okay so i gave it a shot. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OY3J For now i only picked out the CPU, GPU and mother board. Do not plan to overclock. so i picked out a H87 mobo along with a locked CPU, so i will also be just using the stock heatsink I realize the GPU is a geforce for SLI, and the mobo is crossfire compatabile, but i do not plan on doing SLI or Crossfire. But will these parts be compatible still? (I will probably do SLI or crossfire later on down the road.) + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $1000, with cheaper the cost the better What is your monitor's native resolution? Dunno what this means, but i plan on buying a monitor. i will be getting 2 monitors. Im not sure if the components i picked out allows 2 monitors? and does having 2 monitors change anything? (spec necessity wise, like if you want SLI/crossfire you need a mobo that allows it along with a gpu that allows it) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? atm i am trying to build a PC that can run watchdogs at between medium to high settings. (not max settings for sure.) Will play LoL (not really a spec demanding game tho) and other future games that comes out. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? School related stuff. and web browsing, watching movies, watching streams. Do you intend to overclock? no maybe in the future Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no maybe in the future. Do you need an operating system? Yes, i would like windows 7, which kind should i get tho? Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Only a monitor, (i plan on buying a black widow keyboard, or maybe something else if u guys can recommended me one) If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. none atm. I would like to stick with an intel CPU tho, along with brands that are well known for being reliable. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. any is good where the price will be cheapest. atm, i only know Newegg. Can i get alot of feedback on the CPU GPU and mobo i chose. also, if i plan on getting a 4th gen cpu, should i just go for the i7 4770 or is the cpu i chose good? and another thing im not sure on is the GPU. are there better ones for the same price? thank you guys for the help EDIT: oh and i need A LOT of help on choosing out a PSU, i have no idea where to start on that. Some people say to just choose based on the watts shown, but according to the guide on this thread, it says buying based on watts isnt a good thign to do. also what do you guys recommend on memory? i would like 8GB total. thinking of the corsair vengence seeing as how that seems to be the most common one people are taking. and with the SSD and HDD i plan on buying the one thats bought the most by people. (im assuming price range per GB for these and what kind of SSD or HDD doesnt really matter??) http://pcpartpicker.com/user/IMKR/saved/2AJK okay i got it . can someone have a full look over? I quoted my own post because the same things apply. such as no overclock or sli/cross fire, looking to get 2 monitors etc etc. also, for the power supply, i was thinking either the one i have on pcbuilders or this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207022&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= and for the hard drive. either the blue cavier i have on pc builders, or this one http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd1002faex and for the psu, they are both haswell compatible. Memory is severely overpriced, you can get 2133MHz for less. G.Skill kit at $82: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231552 and a Geil kit at $69: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144658 Corsair GS sucks and XFX Core Edition is okay but not priced competitively. Rosewill Capstone, Seasonic G, and Seasonic S12G are all significantly better while costing less. There's also units that cost not much more and are even better than the three I listed. You also need no where near 600w if you aren't overclocking or doing SLI / Crossfire. Rosewill Capstone 450w is easily the go to for such builds. $21 burner is overpriced and a $3 mail-in rebate is a joke right? You going to pay for postage and wait for like a $2.5 cheque lol? | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On October 16 2013 13:56 skyR wrote: Memory is severely overpriced, you can get 2133MHz for less. G.Skill kit at $82: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231552 and a Geil kit at $69: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144658 Corsair GS sucks and XFX Core Edition is okay but not priced competitively. Rosewill Capstone, Seasonic G, and Seasonic S12G are all significantly better while costing less. There's also units that cost not much more and are even better than the three I listed. You also need no where near 600w if you aren't overclocking or doing SLI / Crossfire. Rosewill Capstone 450w is easily the go to for such builds. $21 burner is overpriced and a $3 mail-in rebate is a joke right? You going to pay for postage and wait for like a $2.5 cheque lol? For the memory, on the mother board i chose, it says "Memory Type DDR3-1066/1333/1600" doesnt that mean i can only get either 1066/1333/ or 1600?? i just chose the 1600 since its the fastest one i can get out of the 3. and for PSU, im completely lost. i dont even know how to choose one. your comment on the mail in rebate made me laugh hahahha. but i just chose the cheapest one just for the sake of filling in that spot for now . | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Has nothing to do with computer building but I'm curious. I feel it's relevant because it's interesting to try to understand demand in computers. @Skyr don't hate on GS600, that's what I got for my build. In France it was better priced that in the United States when I bought it though. Go figure, I tried looking at Rosewill/Seasonic PSUs and they were all more expensive than Corsair's stuff. ^^ Also why stick to the H87? I thought we had agreed that the features it offered weren't relevant to gaming. I figure if you get a cheaper ASRock H81 and a cheaper PSU, you can start saving up for an SSD or something. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 16 2013 14:09 IMKR wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 16 2013 13:56 skyR wrote: Memory is severely overpriced, you can get 2133MHz for less. G.Skill kit at $82: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231552 and a Geil kit at $69: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144658 Corsair GS sucks and XFX Core Edition is okay but not priced competitively. Rosewill Capstone, Seasonic G, and Seasonic S12G are all significantly better while costing less. There's also units that cost not much more and are even better than the three I listed. You also need no where near 600w if you aren't overclocking or doing SLI / Crossfire. Rosewill Capstone 450w is easily the go to for such builds. $21 burner is overpriced and a $3 mail-in rebate is a joke right? You going to pay for postage and wait for like a $2.5 cheque lol? For the memory, on the mother board i chose, it says "Memory Type DDR3-1066/1333/1600" doesnt that mean i can only get either 1066/1333/ or 1600?? i just chose the 1600 since its the fastest one i can get out of the 3. and for PSU, im completely lost. i dont even know how to choose one. your comment on the mail in rebate made me laugh hahahha. but i just chose the cheapest one just for the sake of filling in that spot for now . Memory just downclocks to whatever speed the motherboard allows it to run at. Regardless, 1600MHz can be had for less. Just get a Rosewill Capstone 450w, it's really that simple. DVD burners are typically around $18 on Newegg and you can often find them bundled with harddrives like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1461400 | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
also, i figured if i get the H87 right now, I can keep it for a while and just focus on upgrading CPU and GPU only w/o worrying about the mobo also. @skyR, hmmmm never knew that you can get higher RAM stick speed on a lower ram speed mobo. well ill definitely be geting the cheaper ram then lol so after i change my PSU to rosewill capstone 450W and get a cheaper cost RAM stick, will my build be perfect and should I go order them now? (But I will be waiting by for black friday deals and such to see if i can get better specs for cheaper) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
You know you're missing a case right? And your list doesn't have a SSD (not sure if you want one or not?). | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
(What about a case from one of these? there all around $40) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description= NZXT Source 210 Computer Case&N=-1&isNodeId=1 and i would like an SSD but thats only because of all the good things i heard about it. Its kidna iffy for me since i dont know how it works. (according to videos i watched i have to like reconfigure everything so that everything saves onto the SSD and things i chose goes to the HDD, right?) Im wondering if spending another couple $200 and having to go thru the hassle is worth all that just to make programs load a couple seconds faster. | ||
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DragonSharp
United States85 Posts
On October 16 2013 14:13 Incognoto wrote: @Dragonsharp: I'm curious, having played around with Solidworks in school before, I know what it is and how it works. I'm just wondering why you can't get by with your work's computer. It seems that every engineer who comes into this thread needs their own $2000 computer, which seems awfully expensive. Do you really need to work home or something? Does your work help pay for that expensive piece of equipment or? Has nothing to do with computer building but I'm curious. I feel it's relevant because it's interesting to try to understand demand in computers. @Skyr don't hate on GS600, that's what I got for my build. In France it was better priced that in the United States when I bought it though. Go figure, I tried looking at Rosewill/Seasonic PSUs and they were all more expensive than Corsair's stuff. ^^ Also why stick to the H87? I thought we had agreed that the features it offered weren't relevant to gaming. I figure if you get a cheaper ASRock H81 and a cheaper PSU, you can start saving up for an SSD or something. While the work I am doing right now is not demanding at all, so it is a bit selfish on my part. However, I would like to have this kind of computer later on in case I am slap with some daunting project. Then, my computer at work won't probably suffice since it is not exactly high end. My company could pay for it, however I like to have a personal computer which I could do my own side projects. Also, I would like to learn other software such as HyperWorks. Plus, my living expenses aren't really hard on me since I live with my parents (Yea I know it sucks, but hey, I save money). So dropping $2000 on computer doesn't seem too bad. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
There's no real reason to prefer going for ATX over microATX. The extra size doesn't really equate to anything, microATX boards aren't any less capable than ATX motherboards, the real difference is mostly about the different chipsets you use. You can put in an i7-4770 and a GTX780 into ASRock's cheapest H81 motherboard and everything will still work perfectly fine. Though if you're spending that much on parts, overclocking is recommended. For overclocking you do need a more expensive Z87 motherboard. If you're still looking for a caes then off the top of my head the good budget ones are Fractal Design Core 1000, Corsair Carbide 200R and NZXT Source 210 (less sure about this case: read reviews). A more expensive case that has a great reputation is the Fractal Design Define R4. @Dragon: ah ok, good stuff good stuff | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 16 2013 14:43 IMKR wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Im still looking around on a case. (What about a case from one of these? there all around $40) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description= NZXT Source 210 Computer Case&N=-1&isNodeId=1 and i would like an SSD but thats only because of all the good things i heard about it. Its kidna iffy for me since i dont know how it works. (according to videos i watched i have to like reconfigure everything so that everything saves onto the SSD and things i chose goes to the HDD, right?) Im wondering if spending another couple $200 and having to go thru the hassle is worth all that just to make programs load a couple seconds faster. What hassle? All your primary programs will be installed on the C:\ drive (your SSD) and everything else goes on your D:\ or whatever drive (HDDs). It just takes a few seconds to move your Download and Library folders to the HDD and then you don't have to worry about anything. The only hassle is if you have lots of games you play / don't uninstall games than a ~250GB SSD may not be enough. But 250GB is sufficient for most people to not have to micro manage drives. A few seconds here and there adds up. People with HDDs load so fucking slow in games, it's unbelievable. Source 210 is okay budget case. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On October 16 2013 14:55 skyR wrote: What hassle? All your primary programs will be installed on the C:\ drive (your SSD) and everything else goes on your D:\ or whatever drive (HDDs). It just takes a few seconds to move your Download and Library folders to the HDD and then you don't have to worry about anything. The only hassle is if you have lots of games you play / don't uninstall games than a ~250GB SSD may not be enough. But 250GB is sufficient for most people to not have to micro manage drives. A few seconds here and there adds up. People with HDDs load so fucking slow in games, it's unbelievable. Source 210 is okay budget case. hmmm didnt realize that SDD's makes the game actually run faster too. I thought it only boots up programs (games for example) faster. Well, if SDD makes the games load faster in-game, then im definitly getting an SDD. but maybe not now unless i find one for a really good deal. (just to make sure, if i get an SDD, do you mean that the load time for like lets say the load screen in SC2 or like LoL will be faster for me?) | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Good SSD to get atm are Samsung's 840 EVO series. Edit: Hey Skyr, what's your current build? I'm curious | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On October 16 2013 15:03 Incognoto wrote: Yeh pretty much. Your computer will feel much more responsive than before. Good SSD to get atm are Samsung's 840 EVO series. yeah it seems like a lot of builds that i see, people are using this SSD On October 16 2013 15:08 skyR wrote: Well it doesn't really matter for LoL since there's always a kid with a Pentium 4 but it does help significantly in any game that has lots of loading. yeah i kinda figured on this part. I just couldnt think of another example lol and btw TY guys. You two have been seriously helpful. I never would have been able to do this without the help. Well ill be back after some more thinking on parts and price shopping brace yourselves for more questions soon lol | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
@skyR you said a roswill capstone 450 is good enough for the build. so this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= but will this one be okay? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028 its only $10 more and it has more watts. also, according to reviews and testings atm, it is still in testing of haswell compatibility but likely compatible for haswell. so no need to worry about that part. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 16 2013 15:03 Incognoto wrote:Edit: Hey Skyr, what's your current build? I'm curious Core i5 2500k ASUS P8P67 MSI GTX 460 Twin Frozr II Seasonic X 560 Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB 1600MHz cas9 Noctua NH-U12P Lian Li PC-9F Intel 320 80GB Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB x2 Guess I'm upgrading to Skylake or Cannonlake, basically whenever DDR4 becomes affordable. | ||
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