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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 31 2021 20:14 InfCereal wrote: If ESL and Ladder are playing on different map pools, it might be time to seriously consider private servers. If it's even possible It's possible, not gonna happen, Blizz will shut it down. More realistic thing is, that they forgot that SC2 map pool is that old, ESL sent them a warning and they gonna update maps on the last minute or in the middle of a season. | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On March 31 2021 20:24 deacon.frost wrote: It's possible, not gonna happen, Blizz will shut it down. More realistic thing is, that they forgot that SC2 map pool is that old, ESL sent them a warning and they gonna update maps on the last minute or in the middle of a season. Although, I wonder if a blizzard sanctioned ESL private server would be viable. That way they can handle their own map rotations and balance changes for the competitive side, and blizzard can go back to pretending SC2 doesn't exist. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 31 2021 20:54 InfCereal wrote: Although, I wonder if a blizzard sanctioned ESL private server would be viable. That way they can handle their own map rotations and balance changes for the competitive side, and blizzard can go back to pretending SC2 doesn't exist. There were rumors about official tournament private server. AKA LAN  Maybe Blizz updated this and allowed ESL the usage? Would be super disappointing if they don't touch the ladder though. | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On March 29 2021 07:40 InfCereal wrote: Really? No one I know likes the current state of the game. Its been discussed in this thread even - every game is a queen walk. (or some timing). The other matchups are fine, but you never actually get them. This is exactly how I feel about the game right now. Feels like almost every game is vs protoss (though in reality it's probably closer to 50%, which is still WAY too high), and I'm basically forced into doing some early all in or timing and hope to just kill them, because I'm not a pro, so I just can't control corruptor/brood lord/infestor/viper/queen/overseer, to have even the slightest hope of winning late game vs protoss. I really want to like this game, but I'm on the verge of quitting. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 31 2021 20:54 InfCereal wrote: Although, I wonder if a blizzard sanctioned ESL private server would be viable. That way they can handle their own map rotations and balance changes for the competitive side, and blizzard can go back to pretending SC2 doesn't exist. A private SC2 server run by someone other than Blizzard is never going to happen in a million year. Blizzard announcing SC3 tomorrow is more likely. | ||
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Vision_
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
I wish we could at least get a rotation of all the old maps this game has had. There were some really good maps that we'll never get to play again and we're stuck with this incredibly zerg favored map pool. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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DERASTAT
Germany99 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 01 2021 05:19 [Phantom] wrote: Surprised to see how many zergs are complaining here since PvZ is incredibly Zerg favored and the only valid strategy protoss has can be countered with...queens. I wish we could at least get a rotation of all the old maps this game has had. There were some really good maps that we'll never get to play again and we're stuck with this incredibly zerg favored map pool. Well, you see, it's funny. Because technically you may be right. Technically communism works. In reality most of us are plebs who have shitty micro, shitty macro and have issues to not get supply blocked too often. So, technically PvZ may be favored. In reality most of the people are not going queen walking as they don't read the game too well. Most of the people wanna play longer games. And most of the people are shitty late game players. The issue is that for shitty late game players - the Protoss is the better ultimate army. And we're home. Also queen walking every game is pretty boring. I mean c'mon, I know roaches and queens are awesome, but can I build anything else? It's the same issue as with the old Swarm host. It was balanced for the top 2 % of players. The rest was complaining. Why? Because for the plebs bellow master you just parked the SH and they did all the work for you. The defense was harder to control properly. It required multitasking(ha!). Most of the players don't play the strategy part of the game. They play who gets supply blocked the least and who can built better army which relies less on controlling errors. That's why playing ling bane is a bad choice, that's why playing bio is a bad choice. But fun choices, aren't they?  | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 01 2021 05:19 [Phantom] wrote: Surprised to see how many zergs are complaining here since PvZ is incredibly Zerg favored and the only valid strategy protoss has can be countered with...queens. I wish we could at least get a rotation of all the old maps this game has had. There were some really good maps that we'll never get to play again and we're stuck with this incredibly zerg favored map pool. The current map pool is not zerg favored--in fact it probably leans towards terran in longer series given that Submarine and Oxide are by far the most broken maps which forces the other races to use their vetoes on them. In a bo3 things are fairly even. The average LotV map pool is quite a bit better for zerg than the current one. | ||
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ytherik
199 Posts
On April 01 2021 05:19 [Phantom] wrote: Surprised to see how many zergs are complaining here since PvZ is incredibly Zerg favored and the only valid strategy protoss has can be countered with...queens. I wish we could at least get a rotation of all the old maps this game has had. There were some really good maps that we'll never get to play again and we're stuck with this incredibly zerg favored map pool. You must either be high GM Zerg player, smurfing lower leages or actually never played PvZ as Zerg vs evenly matched opponent. I don't see how otherwise you come up with such an opinion about PvZ. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
On April 01 2021 05:49 deacon.frost wrote: Well, you see, it's funny. Because technically you may be right. Technically communism works. In reality most of us are plebs who have shitty micro, shitty macro and have issues to not get supply blocked too often. So, technically PvZ may be favored. In reality most of the people are not going queen walking as they don't read the game too well. Most of the people wanna play longer games. And most of the people are shitty late game players. The issue is that for shitty late game players - the Protoss is the better ultimate army. And we're home. Also queen walking every game is pretty boring. I mean c'mon, I know roaches and queens are awesome, but can I build anything else? It's the same issue as with the old Swarm host. It was balanced for the top 2 % of players. The rest was complaining. Why? Because for the plebs bellow master you just parked the SH and they did all the work for you. The defense was harder to control properly. It required multitasking(ha!). Most of the players don't play the strategy part of the game. They play who gets supply blocked the least and who can built better army which relies less on controlling errors. That's why playing ling bane is a bad choice, that's why playing bio is a bad choice. But fun choices, aren't they? Haha I guess that's a good argument. I've been playing zerg a lot lately and I've found myself too eager to enageg a Protoss lategame army and suffer in consequence. I need to stop and be fcalm and just chip away at it with viper/corruptor/lurker. Though to be fair...before that the Lurker is the easiest thing to do similar to the swarmhost. You have a very fast unit that becomes invisible and you just burrow it there and stop all ground agression or you can do very strong timings, forcing the Protoss to go Air all games, just as you're complaining. Which I guess leads us to what you (I think it was you?) were saying a couple of pages earlier that PvZ would need a design change to make it less boring. But I guess it's not going to happen. ____ Yeah I might be too harsh with the map pool, it's ok, But I wish we could play older maps. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 01 2021 06:27 [Phantom] wrote: Haha I guess that's a good argument. I've been playing zerg a lot lately and I've found myself too eager to enageg a Protoss lategame army and suffer in consequence. I need to stop and be fcalm and just chip away at it with viper/corruptor/lurker. Though to be fair...before that the Lurker is the easiest thing to do similar to the swarmhost. You have a very fast unit that becomes invisible and you just burrow it there and stop all ground agression or you can do very strong timings, forcing the Protoss to go Air all games, just as you're complaining. Which I guess leads us to what you (I think it was you?) were saying a couple of pages earlier that PvZ would need a design change to make it less boring. But I guess it's not going to happen. ____ Yeah I might be too harsh with the map pool, it's ok, But I wish we could play older maps. For me, personally, the game is way too fast now. But that's not gonna change any time soon either I would personally add queens damage from walking off creep. If you wanna do that, do that for shorter times. Edit> Like I mean low damage. This way if you move from base to base it doesn't matter much, but if you move for longer times it matters way too much. Something like when buildings will bleed out. Removed one of the upgrades from lurkers. Personally I think the instaburrow is more wrong, especially since there's no upgrade for tanks. Removed anti-massive anti-ground attack from ,(left normal or none). IMmortals are can openers and all the ground massive units are armored anyway.I would changed the shield batteries that they need an energy investment to be turned on. Be it sentry, nexus, another already activated shield battery... costs 1 energy, shield battery autocasts this. Once turned on it doesn't consume any more energy outside energy. This way any offensive shield battery is a pylon until you get at least an oracle(in case of SG), which gives players a chance to react and removes robo/stalkers builds from the game. Sentry is a big investment and oracle is a delay, which means both should work fine. Or that NonY idea with lowered efficiency. I think ghosts need a late game buff since mass overseers make their usage against hive lurkers very hard, but I don't like giving longer range to them nor giving up the interrupt on the snipe, hmm. Don't know, may be stupid, doesn't care, won't be implemented anyway | ||
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Jealous
10312 Posts
On April 01 2021 05:49 deacon.frost wrote: Well, you see, it's funny. Because technically you may be right. Technically communism works. In reality most of us are plebs who have shitty micro, shitty macro and have issues to not get supply blocked too often. So, technically PvZ may be favored. In reality most of the people are not going queen walking as they don't read the game too well. Most of the people wanna play longer games. And most of the people are shitty late game players. The issue is that for shitty late game players - the Protoss is the better ultimate army. And we're home. I have 30 APM and I like making Battlecruisers, please balance the game around me, people are attacking me way too fast and have units that beat my units  | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On April 01 2021 08:03 Jealous wrote: I have 30 APM and I like making Battlecruisers, please balance the game around me, people are attacking me way too fast and have units that beat my units I unironically think battlecruisers come out too fast | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2393 Posts
On April 01 2021 05:19 [Phantom] wrote: Surprised to see how many zergs are complaining here since PvZ is incredibly Zerg favored and the only valid strategy protoss has can be countered with...queens. I wish we could at least get a rotation of all the old maps this game has had. There were some really good maps that we'll never get to play again and we're stuck with this incredibly zerg favored map pool. real hot take over here | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On April 01 2021 08:03 Jealous wrote: I have 30 APM and I like making Battlecruisers, please balance the game around me, people are attacking me way too fast and have units that beat my units I'm not sure this is the argument you want to be making considering zerg requires SIGNIFICANTLY higher apm than protoss does | ||
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Stretch90
Canada4 Posts
On April 01 2021 05:19 [Phantom] wrote: Surprised to see how many zergs are complaining here since PvZ is incredibly Zerg favored and the only valid strategy protoss has can be countered with...queens. I've literally never seen worse denial from Protoss players than complaining about Zerg in this patch. Zerg is the most dead a race has ever been on ladder and Protoss is dominating and somehow they still complain about balance. | ||
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