NaNiwa forfeits mid-series at IEM Katowice - Page 35

On March 15 2014 18:58 wptlzkwjd wrote:
I'm sure the sponsors are really happy with Naniwa having sent him over there so he could proxy gate and forfeit.

On March 15 2014 17:52 Glorfindel! wrote:

I am from Sweden and there is no player i dislike more out there than Naniwa... O.o

This whole situation is so stupid according to me:

1 - Polt already had his SCVs scouting set
There was not way Polt scouted like he did reacting to the noise from the crowd. He had already set the scouting pattern for the SCV (it is very obvious since the casters even displays the set trip for it).


2 - What was IEM suppoed to do anyway?
You can never give a regame for what happend. If so, anyone could make proxies every game and each time they got scouted they would complain about the crowd. Proxying would turn out into something risk-free.
If I dont remember very wrong, you are always able to feel the vibrations from the crowd through all the covers. I mean, they could make them play from New York if they want to be safe. Would be fun, aight?

Well you could tell the crowd to STFU as someone in this thread suggested since they do that in golf and tennis.
Had that not been really fun tournaments to visit? Everyone sitting quiet, being afraid to upset Nani in the booth?
I think everyone prefers the arena atmosphere - with perhaps a few Nanifans excluded today.

3 - Naniwa if anyone has no moral right to complain
When playing vs Flash on MLG - Naniwa clearly had no shame in his body turning his scouting probe around when the crowd reacted to him missing Flashs proxy barracks.
You find it here

To Sumarize - This is what happends when everyone babysits a child

With nations wars coming up Naniwa did some not really classy moves shutting both Miniraiser and Thorzain out of the team. Instantly the Swedish manager and some other quite high profiled persons in Swedish Esport ride out to his protection because "he is the star and he can do whatever he wants".

When you again, and again, get told that you can do what you want because you are the best at home it wont really strenght your attitude. It will make things like this happend - Naniwa clearly thought he could do whatever he wanted at IEM aswell but nobody actually got impressed this time. Nobody is riding out to answer his cries for justice. There he stands alone, looking like a lone fool.

I have said it for a long time - Naniwas attitude will never be accepted the moment that he is no longer clearly the best non-korean. With that in mind, we should not accept his attitude just because he happends to be a good starcraft player. That itself never gives you the right to act as you want. Neither gives it the best doctor at the hospital the right to call the patiences idiots, morons and a stupid community. You would never accept that at a normal work and I dont think we should accept Naniwa acting as he do either.

On March 15 2014 18:57 Shuffleblade wrote:
Sorry dude, there would be players even without *the players", that because almost every fan is also a player.

Its like football, or any sport for that matter, all active players could retire or whatever this very day and you know what, tomorrow there would still be football. The "players" you talk about are like the top of an Iceberg, they are the "best" right now and the ones competing. But if they retired there would be a huge line of competetive players behind just waiting for their chance.

On March 15 2014 18:57 Shuffleblade wrote:
A player like Naniwa kan compete like he does because he gets sponsored, he gets sponsored because companies believe that having him wear their logos and represent their company will increase their sales as good marketing. Bad publicity can still be good marketing but its a limit to that as well as demonstrated by the Idra case.

Any sponsor would be glad to exchange an investment that isn't paying off for one that would pay off. Naniwa doesn't owe us anything, we don't owe Naniwa anything. But you know what, Nani fucking owe Alliance for all the team has done for him and he also owes IEM. Naniwa said he doesn't give a fuck about SC2 at the moment but still accepts an invitation to poland, free hotel and a chance at winning 100k. He owes IEM that he sticks to his bloody side of the deal in accepting that spot and that would be that he plays. He could lose, he could not even try if he wanted to but he should have played those games, he owed that not to me, not to the community but to his team and to IEM.

On March 15 2014 19:10 Mina wrote:

I was being sincere.

On March 15 2014 19:33 Ludwigvan wrote:

a diagnosis is only for a therapy and not helpful anywhere else.

On March 15 2014 19:40 tshi wrote:

Well, I think that at the very least it's something that might be considered so as to not be so mad at him or whatever. It might be due to that -- simply throwing it out as an avenue to think about without completely-100% agreeing that he's mentally unstable.

Cuz at the very least, it's ... odd but somewhat stable behavior, so it goes beyond most people's expectations for normative behavior. *shrug*. I'm not even mad or have an opinion on the actual subject, it's just interesting, I guess (in an objective way or something)

On March 15 2014 17:52 Glorfindel! wrote:

I am from Sweden and there is no player i dislike more out there than Naniwa... O.o

This whole situation is so stupid according to me:

1 - Polt already had his SCVs scouting set
There was not way Polt scouted like he did reacting to the noise from the crowd. He had already set the scouting pattern for the SCV (it is very obvious since the casters even displays the set trip for it).


2 - What was IEM suppoed to do anyway?
You can never give a regame for what happend. If so, anyone could make proxies every game and each time they got scouted they would complain about the crowd. Proxying would turn out into something risk-free.
If I dont remember very wrong, you are always able to feel the vibrations from the crowd through all the covers. I mean, they could make them play from New York if they want to be safe. Would be fun, aight?

Well you could tell the crowd to STFU as someone in this thread suggested since they do that in golf and tennis.
Had that not been really fun tournaments to visit? Everyone sitting quiet, being afraid to upset Nani in the booth?
I think everyone prefers the arena atmosphere - with perhaps a few Nanifans excluded today.

3 - Naniwa if anyone has no moral right to complain
When playing vs Flash on MLG - Naniwa clearly had no shame in his body turning his scouting probe around when the crowd reacted to him missing Flashs proxy barracks.
You find it here

To Sumarize - This is what happends when everyone babysits a child

With nations wars coming up Naniwa did some not really classy moves shutting both Miniraiser and Thorzain out of the team. Instantly the Swedish manager and some other quite high profiled persons in Swedish Esport ride out to his protection because "he is the star and he can do whatever he wants".

When you again, and again, get told that you can do what you want because you are the at it - it wont really strenght your attitude. It will make things like this happend - Naniwa clearly thought he could do whatever he wanted at IEM aswell but nobody actually got impressed this time. Nobody is riding out to answer his cries for justice. There he stands alone, looking like a lone fool.

I have said it for a long time - Naniwas attitude will never be accepted the moment that he is no longer clearly the best non-korean. With that in mind, we should not accept his attitude just because he happends to be a good starcraft player. That itself never gives you the right to act as you want. Neither gives it the best doctor at the hospital the right to call the patiences idiots, morons and a stupid community. You would never accept that at a normal work and I dont think we should accept Naniwa acting as he do either.

On March 15 2014 19:31 Shuffleblade wrote:


You say it yourself, they play the game... because its their job? You say the community treats players like their servants, I strongly disagree with that. Playing the game is their job, how did Naniwa do his job? I'm not saying im a customer in this instance or whatever. From your perspective he obviously didn't do his job. Whats wrong with being upset that someone totally ditches their work and at the same is a total douchebag in the way he does it.

If you are not going to work, calling in sick, quiting your job. There are many ways of doing it that is NOT going to work like normal, putting yourself in a public situation and then going "Meh I just don't feel like it today".

So if someone works at Wallmart and steals loads of money and food, we as a community (the public) is not allowed to be upset about it because we are not the officals at Wallmart? xD lol If someone murders someone we are are not allowed to be upset because it doesn't hurt "us"? >_> Seriously