On March 15 2014 20:09 iloveav wrote: The worst part of this is that it hurts the scene. That kind of behaviour will scare potencial sponsors even futher seeing E-Sports like Children playing in the sand instead of a serious competition.
What hurts the scene even more is shoddy production that ruins the game. If anything it's a disgrace for Poland showing that they have no idea how to host a tournament. Thankfully we have good tournaments like Dreamhack that knows what the heck they are doing.
Errr what is bad about the production of IEM? I think it is really great so far.
Apart from the players hearing the casters and the crowd? I dunno. But that's reason enough to be worried.
Go to 02:00, funny how Nani did not complain about the crowd there, right?
On March 15 2014 20:09 iloveav wrote: The worst part of this is that it hurts the scene. That kind of behaviour will scare potencial sponsors even futher seeing E-Sports like Children playing in the sand instead of a serious competition.
What hurts the scene even more is shoddy production that ruins the game. If anything it's a disgrace for Poland showing that they have no idea how to host a tournament. Thankfully we have good tournaments like Dreamhack that knows what the heck they are doing.
Let alone the shitty crowd. Kudos to NaNi.
Now that I thought about it for a while I´m pretty sure you are trolling... yeah that must be it!
You need to practice thinking a bit more then. I'm not trolling at all. What a classless bunch of troglodytes they are. Booing like that is not how it's supposed to be done. Perhaps in Poland, but not anywhere else.
No one would have booed if he had just played his games and lost 0-3. That was what everyone would have expected, but tweeting things like "Ololol I play LoL, fu SC 2" and then leaving after one game is just a huge middle-finger to everyone in the scene.
On March 15 2014 21:19 Iduakil wrote: To TL moders, I`m very glad that you let in sooooooooo much nationality attacks in this topic, poland this, poland that!! GG KUDOS!!!
While I agree with you, that the mistakes of the crowd should'nt be blamed on their nationality, which likely has'nt anything to do with it, you are not the one to talk about to less mod action after a post like this:
On March 15 2014 20:28 Iduakil wrote: Naniwa`s twitter.......
Tat ta!!! NANIWA!!! We wont miss you - you pice of lazy, childish, unprofessional douchebag!!!
Also:
On March 15 2014 20:44 horvaa wrote: Im not racist, but that would never happen in Dreamhack or at an MLG.
DH crowd booed Socke at one time just for eliminating ThorZaIN. There are people like this everywhere.
On March 15 2014 20:09 iloveav wrote: The worst part of this is that it hurts the scene. That kind of behaviour will scare potencial sponsors even futher seeing E-Sports like Children playing in the sand instead of a serious competition.
What hurts the scene even more is shoddy production that ruins the game. If anything it's a disgrace for Poland showing that they have no idea how to host a tournament. Thankfully we have good tournaments like Dreamhack that knows what the heck they are doing.
Let alone the shitty crowd. Kudos to NaNi.
Now that I thought about it for a while I´m pretty sure you are trolling... yeah that must be it!
You need to practice thinking a bit more then. I'm not trolling at all. What a classless bunch of troglodytes they are. Booing like that is not how it's supposed to be done. Perhaps in Poland, but not anywhere else.
I would've booed and I am not from poland. He behaved bad towards the tourney, his opponent and the crowd. That is justification enough for me.
You got to love winning more than you hate losing. And judging from how much NaNi hates losing there's no wonder he's the best foreigner (or was). Anything else is irrelevant. Booing like a bunch of enviromentally damaged alcoholics just reinforces the caricature of post-Sovjet countrymen being wrongfully brought up savages. It's saddening to see.
Dude I`m just lost of words.... the lack of any thought.... enjoy your ban!!!! Bye bye
On March 15 2014 20:09 iloveav wrote: The worst part of this is that it hurts the scene. That kind of behaviour will scare potencial sponsors even futher seeing E-Sports like Children playing in the sand instead of a serious competition.
What hurts the scene even more is shoddy production that ruins the game. If anything it's a disgrace for Poland showing that they have no idea how to host a tournament. Thankfully we have good tournaments like Dreamhack that knows what the heck they are doing.
Let alone the shitty crowd. Kudos to NaNi.
Now that I thought about it for a while I´m pretty sure you are trolling... yeah that must be it!
You need to practice thinking a bit more then. I'm not trolling at all. What a classless bunch of troglodytes they are. Booing like that is not how it's supposed to be done. Perhaps in Poland, but not anywhere else.
I would've booed and I am not from poland. He behaved bad towards the tourney, his opponent and the crowd. That is justification enough for me.
You got to love winning more than you hate losing. And judging from how much NaNi hates losing there's no wonder he's the best foreigner (or was). Anything else is irrelevant. Booing like a bunch of enviromentally damaged alcoholics just reinforces the caricature of post-Sovjet countrymen being wrongfully brought up savages. It's saddening to see.
They booe a fucking child who refuse to play because he thinks is a star. And you should stop to insult polish, bastard.
On March 15 2014 20:09 iloveav wrote: The worst part of this is that it hurts the scene. That kind of behaviour will scare potencial sponsors even futher seeing E-Sports like Children playing in the sand instead of a serious competition.
What hurts the scene even more is shoddy production that ruins the game. If anything it's a disgrace for Poland showing that they have no idea how to host a tournament. Thankfully we have good tournaments like Dreamhack that knows what the heck they are doing.
Let alone the shitty crowd. Kudos to NaNi.
Now that I thought about it for a while I´m pretty sure you are trolling... yeah that must be it!
You need to practice thinking a bit more then. I'm not trolling at all. What a classless bunch of troglodytes they are. Booing like that is not how it's supposed to be done. Perhaps in Poland, but not anywhere else.
Actually, that's exactly how it's supposed to be done. They could've thrown stuff i suppose, but i'd rather stick with booing. Well deserved booing.
One thing that is in the back of my head: if polt would've forfeited, the crowd would not have boo'd so hard/at all, i'm pretty convinced.
That's what you get for being a bm player. People still know what an anti-sportsman he is. What you wanna do, pat the "stronk dude who is so manly he can't even shake hands" on his head and tell him he's a good boy?
On March 15 2014 20:44 horvaa wrote: Im not racist, but that would never happen in Dreamhack or at an MLG.
Did u ride 800 km to come and see Naniwa quitting ? I hope u didn't waste ur time and money to see on live stage this situation. Sorry, but my friends get really disappointing after this. They lost time and money to see only foreign, better if they stay at home and watched it on live stream.
On March 15 2014 21:19 Iduakil wrote: To TL moders, I`m very glad that you let in sooooooooo much nationality attacks in this topic, poland this, poland that!! GG KUDOS!!!
While I agree with you, that the mistakes of the crowd should'nt be blamed on their nationality, which likely has'nt anything to do with it, you are not the one to talk about to less mod action after a post like this:
On March 15 2014 20:28 Iduakil wrote: Naniwa`s twitter.......
Tat ta!!! NANIWA!!! We wont miss you - you pice of lazy, childish, unprofessional douchebag!!!
True, I might have overreacted but the words of Naniwa in his last tweet .... I believe I wouldn`t come up with any other worst way to go on his retirement/vacation after such situation. That`s not how you treat SC2 fans, the whole community! You just don`t!
On March 15 2014 20:44 horvaa wrote: And what is up with the disrespectful crowd, a player dont wanna play, we know some of the reasons but not the whole picture. And they boo him out.
Im not racist, but that would never happen in Dreamhack or at an MLG.
Pretty sure Naniwa actually got boo'd at during MLG Providence after he called out Nestea for being overrated at the short event right before (MLG Global Invitational, the event Naniwa won). 90% sure of this.
Also have this feeling he got boo'd at, at the whole Polt incident when he refused to shake hands and stuff after Polt did some trashtalk. Then Polt wanted to make up for it.
And then lastly at Dreamhack Stockholm the Swedish crowd left DURING the winner interview with Leenock. Yes a lot were disappointed but leaving like they did was pretty bad mannered when they could have waited a few minutes. I was in that crowd so idk. Don't pretend Swedish crowds are something we aren't.
In the end, saying something like: "I'm not racist but xyz" will make you racist.
On March 15 2014 20:44 horvaa wrote: And what is up with the disrespectful crowd, a player dont wanna play, we know some of the reasons but not the whole picture. And they boo him out.
Im not racist, but that would never happen in Dreamhack or at an MLG.
Pretty sure Naniwa actually got boo'd at during MLG Providence after he called out Nestea for being overrated at the short event right before (MLG Global Invitational, the event Naniwa won). 90% sure of this.
Also have this feeling he got boo'd at, at the whole Polt incident when he refused to shake hands and stuff after Polt did some trashtalk. Then Polt wanted to make up for it.
And then lastly at Dreamhack Stockholm the Swedish crowd left DURING the winner interview with Leenock. Yes a lot were disappointed but leaving like they did was pretty bad mannered when they could have waited a few minutes. I was in that crowd so idk. Don't pretend Swedish crowds are something we aren't.
In the end, saying something like: "I'm not racist but xyz" will make you racist.
I agree, there's a lot of subtle rascism here in Sweden.
On March 15 2014 20:44 horvaa wrote: And what is up with the disrespectful crowd, a player dont wanna play, we know some of the reasons but not the whole picture. And they boo him out.
Im not racist, but that would never happen in Dreamhack or at an MLG.
Pretty sure Naniwa actually got boo'd at during MLG Providence after he called out Nestea for being overrated at the short event right before (MLG Global Invitational, the event Naniwa won). 90% sure of this.
Also have this feeling he got boo'd at, at the whole Polt incident when he refused to shake hands and stuff after Polt did some trashtalk. Then Polt wanted to make up for it.
And then lastly at Dreamhack Stockholm the Swedish crowd left DURING the winner interview with Leenock. Yes a lot were disappointed but leaving like they did was pretty bad mannered when they could have waited a few minutes. I was in that crowd so idk. Don't pretend Swedish crowds are something we aren't.
In the end, saying something like: "I'm not racist but xyz" will make you racist.
I agree, there's a lot of subtle rascism here in Sweden.
What a friend of mine says/shows is kinda not what i'd call subtle, especially when it comes to finns. ;P
On March 15 2014 20:09 iloveav wrote: The worst part of this is that it hurts the scene. That kind of behaviour will scare potencial sponsors even futher seeing E-Sports like Children playing in the sand instead of a serious competition.
What hurts the scene even more is shoddy production that ruins the game. If anything it's a disgrace for Poland showing that they have no idea how to host a tournament. Thankfully we have good tournaments like Dreamhack that knows what the heck they are doing.
Let alone the shitty crowd. Kudos to NaNi.
Now that I thought about it for a while I´m pretty sure you are trolling... yeah that must be it!
You need to practice thinking a bit more then. I'm not trolling at all. What a classless bunch of troglodytes they are. Booing like that is not how it's supposed to be done. Perhaps in Poland, but not anywhere else.
I would've booed and I am not from poland. He behaved bad towards the tourney, his opponent and the crowd. That is justification enough for me.
You got to love winning more than you hate losing. And judging from how much NaNi hates losing there's no wonder he's the best foreigner (or was). Anything else is irrelevant. Booing like a bunch of enviromentally damaged alcoholics just reinforces the caricature of post-Sovjet countrymen being wrongfully brought up savages. It's saddening to see.
Dude I`m just lost of words.... the lack of any thought.... enjoy your ban!!!! Bye bye
Well, I'm proving a point.
The crowd excuse their shitty behaviour with NaNi being BM when he's really jsut a fierce competitor. Plz enlighten me as to how the crowd acting like shitheads is justified just because NaNi sometimes shows his emotions because he really makes a big deal out of his esporting career?
On March 15 2014 20:44 horvaa wrote: And what is up with the disrespectful crowd, a player dont wanna play, we know some of the reasons but not the whole picture. And they boo him out.
Im not racist, but that would never happen in Dreamhack or at an MLG.
Pretty sure Naniwa actually got boo'd at during MLG Providence after he called out Nestea for being overrated at the short event right before (MLG Global Invitational, the event Naniwa won). 90% sure of this.
Also have this feeling he got boo'd at, at the whole Polt incident when he refused to shake hands and stuff after Polt did some trashtalk. Then Polt wanted to make up for it.
And then lastly at Dreamhack Stockholm the Swedish crowd left DURING the winner interview with Leenock. Yes a lot were disappointed but leaving like they did was pretty bad mannered when they could have waited a few minutes. I was in that crowd so idk. Don't pretend Swedish crowds are something we aren't.
In the end, saying something like: "I'm not racist but xyz" will make you racist.
I agree, there's a lot of subtle rascism here in Sweden.
What a friend of mine says/shows is kinda not what i'd call subtle, especially when it comes to finns. ;P
The finns is an entirely different matter ;D What I mean is that it is rarely spoken out loud, but it is there like that Dreamhack thing.
On March 15 2014 20:09 iloveav wrote: The worst part of this is that it hurts the scene. That kind of behaviour will scare potencial sponsors even futher seeing E-Sports like Children playing in the sand instead of a serious competition.
What hurts the scene even more is shoddy production that ruins the game. If anything it's a disgrace for Poland showing that they have no idea how to host a tournament. Thankfully we have good tournaments like Dreamhack that knows what the heck they are doing.
Let alone the shitty crowd. Kudos to NaNi.
Now that I thought about it for a while I´m pretty sure you are trolling... yeah that must be it!
You need to practice thinking a bit more then. I'm not trolling at all. What a classless bunch of troglodytes they are. Booing like that is not how it's supposed to be done. Perhaps in Poland, but not anywhere else.
I would've booed and I am not from poland. He behaved bad towards the tourney, his opponent and the crowd. That is justification enough for me.
You got to love winning more than you hate losing. And judging from how much NaNi hates losing there's no wonder he's the best foreigner (or was). Anything else is irrelevant. Booing like a bunch of enviromentally damaged alcoholics just reinforces the caricature of post-Sovjet countrymen being wrongfully brought up savages. It's saddening to see.
Dude I`m just lost of words.... the lack of any thought.... enjoy your ban!!!! Bye bye
Well, I'm proving a point.
The crowd excuse their shitty behaviour with NaNi being BM when he's really jsut a fierce competitor. Plz enlighten me as to how the crowd acting like shitheads is justified just because NaNi sometimes shows his emotions because he really makes a big deal out of his esporting career?
1rst Naniwa fanboy. They boo your idol and you hate them for that.... stupid.
On March 15 2014 20:09 iloveav wrote: The worst part of this is that it hurts the scene. That kind of behaviour will scare potencial sponsors even futher seeing E-Sports like Children playing in the sand instead of a serious competition.
What hurts the scene even more is shoddy production that ruins the game. If anything it's a disgrace for Poland showing that they have no idea how to host a tournament. Thankfully we have good tournaments like Dreamhack that knows what the heck they are doing.
Let alone the shitty crowd. Kudos to NaNi.
Now that I thought about it for a while I´m pretty sure you are trolling... yeah that must be it!
You need to practice thinking a bit more then. I'm not trolling at all. What a classless bunch of troglodytes they are. Booing like that is not how it's supposed to be done. Perhaps in Poland, but not anywhere else.
I would've booed and I am not from poland. He behaved bad towards the tourney, his opponent and the crowd. That is justification enough for me.
You got to love winning more than you hate losing. And judging from how much NaNi hates losing there's no wonder he's the best foreigner (or was). Anything else is irrelevant. Booing like a bunch of enviromentally damaged alcoholics just reinforces the caricature of post-Sovjet countrymen being wrongfully brought up savages. It's saddening to see.
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like environmentally damaged alchoholics? Just what does that even mean? haha If at all possible, just report this poster for all his five posts.
You followed up some circular reasoning with a, "Anything else is irrelevant." Let me tell you that the only entertaining thing about that series was the drama that his actions left behind. Gamers are paid for the entertainment, professionalism and what their fanbase provide, how is that irrelevant to what he did as opposed to playing under the same conditions (albeit in his case disadvantaged, arguably)? He wasn't furthering anything, it was entirely selfish for everyone to see.
You expect the crowd to sit quietly and celebrate him while drinking tea? News flash: we're not all middle-class players or consumers, and what time others devoted to getting to the venue, we spend far less of in coming online to watch from a distance. This is all to watch some games of starcraft and be around friends. If you're talking what is damaging to the game, to the community, or even to its people... just think before you talk about a crowd of people being chmpanzees. It's like you've never been to a live event or anything.
It's disgusting how haters come out of the woodwork during this incident and basically say "see? this justifies all my earlier hate", such as Stephano's tweet.
Just to be clear, I'm not defending any of naniwa's actions. I'm pretty baffled why he came to Poland in the first place.
On March 15 2014 20:09 iloveav wrote: The worst part of this is that it hurts the scene. That kind of behaviour will scare potencial sponsors even futher seeing E-Sports like Children playing in the sand instead of a serious competition.
What hurts the scene even more is shoddy production that ruins the game. If anything it's a disgrace for Poland showing that they have no idea how to host a tournament. Thankfully we have good tournaments like Dreamhack that knows what the heck they are doing.
Let alone the shitty crowd. Kudos to NaNi.
Now that I thought about it for a while I´m pretty sure you are trolling... yeah that must be it!
You need to practice thinking a bit more then. I'm not trolling at all. What a classless bunch of troglodytes they are. Booing like that is not how it's supposed to be done. Perhaps in Poland, but not anywhere else.
I would've booed and I am not from poland. He behaved bad towards the tourney, his opponent and the crowd. That is justification enough for me.
You got to love winning more than you hate losing. And judging from how much NaNi hates losing there's no wonder he's the best foreigner (or was). Anything else is irrelevant. Booing like a bunch of enviromentally damaged alcoholics just reinforces the caricature of post-Sovjet countrymen being wrongfully brought up savages. It's saddening to see.
Dude I`m just lost of words.... the lack of any thought.... enjoy your ban!!!! Bye bye
Well, I'm proving a point.
The crowd excuse their shitty behaviour with NaNi being BM when he's really jsut a fierce competitor. Plz enlighten me as to how the crowd acting like shitheads is justified just because NaNi sometimes shows his emotions because he really makes a big deal out of his esporting career?
To put it really bluntly, progamers exist to entertain us. It is the viewership that attracts sponsors who are willing to pay for players' equipment, salaries, flight tickets, and prize money. If they fail to entertain their viewers they will be critised. Naniwa has been acting like a dick for a long time now but people put up with it because he posted results. As soon as he stopped posting results though, people got sick of his antics.
Noone minds a player showing emotion, but if vitriolic and snide comments towards other players and the community are the only thing a player is capable of, people will get tired of that person really quickly.
Naniwa isn't the only person who takes his esports career seriously. Practically all the players at IEM Katowice do. Naniwa is just the only one that consistently behaves unprofessionaly (apart from Idra, but he left the scene a few months ago, in a similarly childish fashion as Naniwa did).
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