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If this incident doesn't prompt tournament organizers to take soundproof issue seriously, I don't know what would. Naniwa or not, it's disappointing that we have to talk about soundproof booths in 2014.
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Tournament organizers failed to provide proper enviroment for athletes to compete. One of athletes left the tournament as a note of protest. By no means he had to but he chose to which is completely justifiable. If anyone to blame in this situation its organizers. Period.
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On March 15 2014 23:30 djannih wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 22:48 Spect8rCraft wrote:On March 15 2014 22:20 djannih wrote:
My proving point is that just because someones acting like an ass doesn't justify you acting like an ass. In other words just because I think the crowd was over the line when NaNi was walking out doesn't justify me calling the crowd what I just did.
What did I do? I acted like an asshole with the excuse that I thought someone else was acting like an asshole.
Another persons bad actions never justifies your own bad actions as the actions in both instances are just that, bad. I think the crowd was acting childish and I understand why NaNi went out the way he did; because he felt the loss was unjust and that the conditions were sub par.
But under any circumstances it's never ok to say what I said just because I think my oppinion is what matters. But then how do we express obvious discontent over such a series of events that transpired? Surely you're not asking us to take it for what it was worth and leave. That'd be the equivalent of ignorance. His professionalism throughout what happened was overall poor, and we called him out on it (some more severely than others, admittedly). What, do you want the crowd to walk up to him and explain why he shouldn't have tweeted that the community was garbage, why he should stay for the duration of the series, why he should refrain from making an implicitly pointed remark through his soundproofing complaint? Booing isn't being an ass; hell, I didn't even realize it was booing until the casters said it was (sounded like some kind of weird cheer to me). On the contrary, booing is probably the lowest on the scale of bad things to denounce a disliked person,; giving the bird, yelling "you suck" or so on would have surely been worse. Here, booing essentially translates to "you failed to provide proper entertainment to us". And though Naniwa surely doesn't owe us a lick, those who purchased tickets expected entertainment (what, do you buy tickets for entertainment so you can finish your homework assignment?), and had the right to express discontent when there was none. If the crowd really wanted Naniwa on a pike, there were certainly more dreadful things they could have done (see: the LR thread). Booing is rarely a strike at someone; it is often feedback to poor performance (in terms of sports, at least). In the Starcraft scene in particular, I rarely hear booing of any kind. Even when rivalries come to a head, more often than not their games made up for whatever mean-spirited banter that may have transpired. The fans go home and have a nice pint over it. So when the crowd boos, and they boo like this, it's actually a very significant message to the Starcraft scene. To be insulted over the crowd's behavior that night (day, I suppose) would be ignorant to sports in general. Well, with case of NaNi he's an easy target because of his MO. I do, too, think that he's been out of line a couple of times. With that said, this was NOT one of them. Hell, if you can hear the casters, let alone the crowd, something is wrong. And it COMPLETELY ruined his tactic. Whether or not Polt would've scouted it anyway, we will never know. But I for one find nothing weird about how upset NaNi was. But NaNi being NaNi everyone immediately starts beating on him and I don't think he deserved that. We need characters to make the scene interesting and NaNi was one of them. Even though he acted like an ass now and then. Ofcourse the the crowd must make their oppinion known but that was no regular booing. That was borderline bullying of a person the crowd had already made up their minds of. I don't like it. That's not what esports is about.
I have to disagree with all of this. The crowd booed Naniwa because he walked off when was down 0-1, not because he's Naniwa. Arguably most of that crowd actually wanted him to beat Polt. But if any other player forfeited and walked off after only one game of a bo5 series, that person would have been booed and heavily criticized on TL too.
Esports isn't based on characters, it is based on the best possible StarCraft. If you only care about watching nerd drama, then set up a pro wrestling league where you rig the games so that the table flipping foreigner anti-hero beats the faceless Koreans and claims the world championship. And gets screwed over when idra comes back and hits him with a chair.
In short, Naniwa got what he deserved by the crowd. Whether the online community is treating him unfairly is a separate question.
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If only anyone else was complaining about soundproof issue too, but oh well nobody did. Polt's scouting pattern was supposedly pretty standard too. Booing was well deserved, apparently crowd doesn't owe Naniwa anything either. Good luck in your future endeavours.
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On March 15 2014 20:16 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 19:31 Shuffleblade wrote:On March 15 2014 19:22 Xoronius wrote:On March 15 2014 18:57 Shuffleblade wrote:
Sorry dude, there would be players even without *the players", that because almost every fan is also a player.
Its like football, or any sport for that matter, all active players could retire or whatever this very day and you know what, tomorrow there would still be football. The "players" you talk about are like the top of an Iceberg, they are the "best" right now and the ones competing. But if they retired there would be a huge line of competetive players behind just waiting for their chance. This is'nt about the top players, this is about players in general. The community treats players as their servants, not as their partners. The players play this game, because it is fun for them and because it is their job, not because they view themselves as entertainers of the community. Some do and that brings them extra-support, but as I said, that is extra. It is not a players duty, to do whatever he can to entertain the community. And yeah, ofc. there would be replacements, since there are a lot of players, but you can´t argue, that it is also in the communities intrest, that we can watch herO vs Hyun instead of avilo vs destiny. On March 15 2014 18:57 Shuffleblade wrote:
A player like Naniwa kan compete like he does because he gets sponsored, he gets sponsored because companies believe that having him wear their logos and represent their company will increase their sales as good marketing. Bad publicity can still be good marketing but its a limit to that as well as demonstrated by the Idra case.
Any sponsor would be glad to exchange an investment that isn't paying off for one that would pay off. Naniwa doesn't owe us anything, we don't owe Naniwa anything. But you know what, Nani fucking owe Alliance for all the team has done for him and he also owes IEM. Naniwa said he doesn't give a fuck about SC2 at the moment but still accepts an invitation to poland, free hotel and a chance at winning 100k. He owes IEM that he sticks to his bloody side of the deal in accepting that spot and that would be that he plays. He could lose, he could not even try if he wanted to but he should have played those games, he owed that not to me, not to the community but to his team and to IEM. I can see that being a valid point, and I would accept it, if IEM/Alliance would complain about it. But AFAIK, most people complaining in this thread are neither ESL officials nor Allinace staff members. You say it yourself, they play the game... because its their job? You say the community treats players like their servants, I strongly disagree with that. Playing the game is their job, how did Naniwa do his job? I'm not saying im a customer in this instance or whatever. From your perspective he obviously didn't do his job. Whats wrong with being upset that someone totally ditches their work and at the same is a total douchebag in the way he does it. If you are not going to work, calling in sick, quiting your job. There are many ways of doing it that is NOT going to work like normal, putting yourself in a public situation and then going "Meh I just don't feel like it today". So if someone works at Wallmart and steals loads of money and food, we as a community (the public) is not allowed to be upset about it because we are not the officals at Wallmart? xD lol If someone murders someone we are are not allowed to be upset because it doesn't hurt "us"? >_> Seriously Stealing something from Walmart is illegal. Killing someone is illegal. Forfitting a series is NOT illegal, it is within the players rights, so the comparism at this point is pretty unfitting. More fitting would be a 15-second 100m sprint or a Formula 1 driver crushing into a wall (Not Nelson Piquet jr, that man deserves community hate for what he did[Driving into a wall, so that his team partner could win, if you are'nt into F1]). If you ask me how Naniwa did his job yesterady, I could tell you, that it was'nt that good. And if you do your job not that good as a pro player, you don't get prize money. That is how it works in competition. If you want a comparism to Wlamarkt stealing: This is what map hackers do. This is what stream cheaters do. Did Naniwa do any of that? No, he did'nt so please don't make it sound like he is a criminal. Btw: Demuslim forfeited series mid series in the past. Did he get that much shit for it? Nony has forfeited series mid series in the past. Did he get that nuch shit for it? Stephano has forfeited a tournament between semi-final and final. Did he get that much shit for it?
I fully expect (major) tournament organizers to put a clause in the contract that obliges players to play-out a series and forbids them to forfeit matches, because this costs tournaments money.
I hope that you understand that tournaments make money by displaying matches in between commercials, and being robbed of at least 2 (highly anticipated, considering he's the top-foreigner present) matches is potentially monetary loss for the tournament.
If I was a tournament organizers I would a fine in the contract, especially after what happened to TB. Players apparently do not understand that running off shows of really really bad on the tournament, and there should be consequences. Take note that he is a repeat offender - he has run-off a tournament before, and Rotti needed to talk to him for 20 minutes before he came back.
This isn't even about what Nani 'owes to the fans', it is a financial issue too - if NBA players run off the pitch in a hissy fit and refuse to play, you BET that there will be a hefty fine. I don't see how this should be different - IEM is throwing a lot of money at this with the objective of getting some of it back through advertisements, and shitting on a tournament like this has a direct negative influence.
Apparently players cannot be trusted to behave in a normal way - if I was a tournament organizer I would definitely put a clause heavily fining running-off mid-series in the contract.
To everyone shitting on Poland: get fucking real. Saying that this wouldn't have happened at a DH is too stupid for words, I would bet a significant sum that the audience's reaction would've been exactly the same everywhere around the globe - people were eagerly anticipating Nani to play, and were disappointed when he quit after playing 5 minutes. I wouldn't really call that value... Accusing people in other countries to be alcoholics while being from Scandinavia is not even borderline hypocritical btw...
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On March 16 2014 00:07 arie3000 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 20:16 Xoronius wrote:On March 15 2014 19:31 Shuffleblade wrote:On March 15 2014 19:22 Xoronius wrote:On March 15 2014 18:57 Shuffleblade wrote:
Sorry dude, there would be players even without *the players", that because almost every fan is also a player.
Its like football, or any sport for that matter, all active players could retire or whatever this very day and you know what, tomorrow there would still be football. The "players" you talk about are like the top of an Iceberg, they are the "best" right now and the ones competing. But if they retired there would be a huge line of competetive players behind just waiting for their chance. This is'nt about the top players, this is about players in general. The community treats players as their servants, not as their partners. The players play this game, because it is fun for them and because it is their job, not because they view themselves as entertainers of the community. Some do and that brings them extra-support, but as I said, that is extra. It is not a players duty, to do whatever he can to entertain the community. And yeah, ofc. there would be replacements, since there are a lot of players, but you can´t argue, that it is also in the communities intrest, that we can watch herO vs Hyun instead of avilo vs destiny. On March 15 2014 18:57 Shuffleblade wrote:
A player like Naniwa kan compete like he does because he gets sponsored, he gets sponsored because companies believe that having him wear their logos and represent their company will increase their sales as good marketing. Bad publicity can still be good marketing but its a limit to that as well as demonstrated by the Idra case.
Any sponsor would be glad to exchange an investment that isn't paying off for one that would pay off. Naniwa doesn't owe us anything, we don't owe Naniwa anything. But you know what, Nani fucking owe Alliance for all the team has done for him and he also owes IEM. Naniwa said he doesn't give a fuck about SC2 at the moment but still accepts an invitation to poland, free hotel and a chance at winning 100k. He owes IEM that he sticks to his bloody side of the deal in accepting that spot and that would be that he plays. He could lose, he could not even try if he wanted to but he should have played those games, he owed that not to me, not to the community but to his team and to IEM. I can see that being a valid point, and I would accept it, if IEM/Alliance would complain about it. But AFAIK, most people complaining in this thread are neither ESL officials nor Allinace staff members. You say it yourself, they play the game... because its their job? You say the community treats players like their servants, I strongly disagree with that. Playing the game is their job, how did Naniwa do his job? I'm not saying im a customer in this instance or whatever. From your perspective he obviously didn't do his job. Whats wrong with being upset that someone totally ditches their work and at the same is a total douchebag in the way he does it. If you are not going to work, calling in sick, quiting your job. There are many ways of doing it that is NOT going to work like normal, putting yourself in a public situation and then going "Meh I just don't feel like it today". So if someone works at Wallmart and steals loads of money and food, we as a community (the public) is not allowed to be upset about it because we are not the officals at Wallmart? xD lol If someone murders someone we are are not allowed to be upset because it doesn't hurt "us"? >_> Seriously Stealing something from Walmart is illegal. Killing someone is illegal. Forfitting a series is NOT illegal, it is within the players rights, so the comparism at this point is pretty unfitting. More fitting would be a 15-second 100m sprint or a Formula 1 driver crushing into a wall (Not Nelson Piquet jr, that man deserves community hate for what he did[Driving into a wall, so that his team partner could win, if you are'nt into F1]). If you ask me how Naniwa did his job yesterady, I could tell you, that it was'nt that good. And if you do your job not that good as a pro player, you don't get prize money. That is how it works in competition. If you want a comparism to Wlamarkt stealing: This is what map hackers do. This is what stream cheaters do. Did Naniwa do any of that? No, he did'nt so please don't make it sound like he is a criminal. Btw: Demuslim forfeited series mid series in the past. Did he get that much shit for it? Nony has forfeited series mid series in the past. Did he get that nuch shit for it? Stephano has forfeited a tournament between semi-final and final. Did he get that much shit for it? I fully expect (major) tournament organizers to put a clause in the contract that obliges players to play-out a series and forbids them to forfeit matches, because this costs tournaments money. I hope that you understand that tournaments make money by displaying matches in between commercials, and being robbed of at least 2 (highly anticipated, considering he's the top-foreigner present) matches is potentially monetary loss for the tournament. If I was a tournament organizers I would a fine in the contract, especially after what happened to TB. Players apparently do not understand that running off shows of really really bad on the tournament, and there should be consequences. Take note that he is a repeat offender - he has run-off a tournament before, and Rotti needed to talk to him for 20 minutes before he came back. This isn't even about what Nani 'owes to the fans', it is a financial issue too - if NBA players run off the pitch in a hissy fit and refuse to play, you BET that there will be a hefty fine. I don't see how this should be different - IEM is throwing a lot of money at this with the objective of getting some of it back through advertisements, and shitting on a tournament like this has a direct negative influence. Apparently players cannot be trusted to behave in a normal way - if I was a tournament organizer I would definitely put a clause heavily fining running-off mid-series in the contract. To everyone shitting on Poland: get fucking real. Saying that this wouldn't have happened at a DH is too stupid for words, I would bet a significant sum that the audience's reaction would've been exactly the same everywhere around the globe - people were eagerly anticipating Nani to play, and were disappointed when he quit after playing 5 minutes. I wouldn't really call that value... Accusing people in other countries to be alcoholics while being from Scandinavia is not even borderline hypocritical btw...
I was just proving a point with that remark. I didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings with it and ofcourse there's no truth to it. I was merely pointing out the absurdity of acting like a dumbass and excusing that same behaviour with someone else acting like a dumbass. It's a circular argument and it's stupid.
I went over the line with my statement but the point was to raise some feelings and to then reply like I've done. I think it proved my point of me being wrong acting like an idiot just to get to "another idiot".
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On March 15 2014 23:47 saddaromma wrote:
Tournament organizers failed to provide proper enviroment for athletes to compete. One of athletes left the tournament as a note of protest. By no means he had to but he chose to which is completely justifiable. If anyone to blame in this situation its organizers. Period.
When none of the other competitors complained, how is this the fault of the organizers? Naniwa came in not wanting to play it out.
Organizers also cannot accommodate for every players needs. They will try to, but they can't. There are probably over 100 players at this event, I don't think that ESL has the manpower nor the time at the event to make sure every player is cozy and comfortable. Again, I reiterate that NONE of the other competitors complained about being able to hear the crowd.
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On March 16 2014 00:20 superpanda27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 23:47 saddaromma wrote:
Tournament organizers failed to provide proper enviroment for athletes to compete. One of athletes left the tournament as a note of protest. By no means he had to but he chose to which is completely justifiable. If anyone to blame in this situation its organizers. Period. When none of the competitors complained, how is this the fault of the organizers? Naniwa came in not wanting to play it out. Organizers also cannot accommodate for every players needs. They will try to, but they can't. There are probably over 100 players at this event, I don't think that ESL has the manpower nor the time at the event to make sure every player is cozy and comfortable. Again, I reiterate that NONE of the other competitors complained about being able to hear the crowd.
San said he could hear the crowd, and Polt could hear the casters(according to NaNiwa)
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Didn't MC win with a game with a proxy?
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On March 16 2014 00:07 arie3000 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 20:16 Xoronius wrote:On March 15 2014 19:31 Shuffleblade wrote:On March 15 2014 19:22 Xoronius wrote:On March 15 2014 18:57 Shuffleblade wrote:
Sorry dude, there would be players even without *the players", that because almost every fan is also a player.
Its like football, or any sport for that matter, all active players could retire or whatever this very day and you know what, tomorrow there would still be football. The "players" you talk about are like the top of an Iceberg, they are the "best" right now and the ones competing. But if they retired there would be a huge line of competetive players behind just waiting for their chance. This is'nt about the top players, this is about players in general. The community treats players as their servants, not as their partners. The players play this game, because it is fun for them and because it is their job, not because they view themselves as entertainers of the community. Some do and that brings them extra-support, but as I said, that is extra. It is not a players duty, to do whatever he can to entertain the community. And yeah, ofc. there would be replacements, since there are a lot of players, but you can´t argue, that it is also in the communities intrest, that we can watch herO vs Hyun instead of avilo vs destiny. On March 15 2014 18:57 Shuffleblade wrote:
A player like Naniwa kan compete like he does because he gets sponsored, he gets sponsored because companies believe that having him wear their logos and represent their company will increase their sales as good marketing. Bad publicity can still be good marketing but its a limit to that as well as demonstrated by the Idra case.
Any sponsor would be glad to exchange an investment that isn't paying off for one that would pay off. Naniwa doesn't owe us anything, we don't owe Naniwa anything. But you know what, Nani fucking owe Alliance for all the team has done for him and he also owes IEM. Naniwa said he doesn't give a fuck about SC2 at the moment but still accepts an invitation to poland, free hotel and a chance at winning 100k. He owes IEM that he sticks to his bloody side of the deal in accepting that spot and that would be that he plays. He could lose, he could not even try if he wanted to but he should have played those games, he owed that not to me, not to the community but to his team and to IEM. I can see that being a valid point, and I would accept it, if IEM/Alliance would complain about it. But AFAIK, most people complaining in this thread are neither ESL officials nor Allinace staff members. You say it yourself, they play the game... because its their job? You say the community treats players like their servants, I strongly disagree with that. Playing the game is their job, how did Naniwa do his job? I'm not saying im a customer in this instance or whatever. From your perspective he obviously didn't do his job. Whats wrong with being upset that someone totally ditches their work and at the same is a total douchebag in the way he does it. If you are not going to work, calling in sick, quiting your job. There are many ways of doing it that is NOT going to work like normal, putting yourself in a public situation and then going "Meh I just don't feel like it today". So if someone works at Wallmart and steals loads of money and food, we as a community (the public) is not allowed to be upset about it because we are not the officals at Wallmart? xD lol If someone murders someone we are are not allowed to be upset because it doesn't hurt "us"? >_> Seriously Stealing something from Walmart is illegal. Killing someone is illegal. Forfitting a series is NOT illegal, it is within the players rights, so the comparism at this point is pretty unfitting. More fitting would be a 15-second 100m sprint or a Formula 1 driver crushing into a wall (Not Nelson Piquet jr, that man deserves community hate for what he did[Driving into a wall, so that his team partner could win, if you are'nt into F1]). If you ask me how Naniwa did his job yesterady, I could tell you, that it was'nt that good. And if you do your job not that good as a pro player, you don't get prize money. That is how it works in competition. If you want a comparism to Wlamarkt stealing: This is what map hackers do. This is what stream cheaters do. Did Naniwa do any of that? No, he did'nt so please don't make it sound like he is a criminal. Btw: Demuslim forfeited series mid series in the past. Did he get that much shit for it? Nony has forfeited series mid series in the past. Did he get that nuch shit for it? Stephano has forfeited a tournament between semi-final and final. Did he get that much shit for it? I fully expect (major) tournament organizers to put a clause in the contract that obliges players to play-out a series and forbids them to forfeit matches, because this costs tournaments money. I hope that you understand that tournaments make money by displaying matches in between commercials, and being robbed of at least 2 (highly anticipated, considering he's the top-foreigner present) matches is potentially monetary loss for the tournament. If I was a tournament organizers I would a fine in the contract, especially after what happened to TB. Players apparently do not understand that running off shows of really really bad on the tournament, and there should be consequences. Take note that he is a repeat offender - he has run-off a tournament before, and Rotti needed to talk to him for 20 minutes before he came back. This isn't even about what Nani 'owes to the fans', it is a financial issue too - if NBA players run off the pitch in a hissy fit and refuse to play, you BET that there will be a hefty fine. I don't see how this should be different - IEM is throwing a lot of money at this with the objective of getting some of it back through advertisements, and shitting on a tournament like this has a direct negative influence. Apparently players cannot be trusted to behave in a normal way - if I was a tournament organizer I would definitely put a clause heavily fining running-off mid-series in the contract.
I never said anything contradicting to that, I have posted before, that critizism from IEM regarding the situation is not the problem. The problem is, that it comes from entirely different directions and crosses the line of acceptable behaviour further than Naniwa did.
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On March 15 2014 23:57 Galek wrote:
If only anyone else was complaining about soundproof issue too, but oh well nobody did. Polt's scouting pattern was supposedly pretty standard too. Booing was well deserved, apparently crowd doesn't owe Naniwa anything either. Good luck in your future endeavours.
Don't say things like "but oh well nobody did" when you don't actually know if anyone did or not. It's also quite obvious that most of the Korean players aren't going to be as vocal about it as Naniwa was/usually is.
"very big sound ; i want open brackets stage" is one of his own reply's to the above tweet, explaining his feelings.
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On March 16 2014 00:30 126Q;A1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 23:57 Galek wrote:
If only anyone else was complaining about soundproof issue too, but oh well nobody did. Polt's scouting pattern was supposedly pretty standard too. Booing was well deserved, apparently crowd doesn't owe Naniwa anything either. Good luck in your future endeavours. Don't say things like "but oh well nobody did" when you don't actually know if anyone did or not. It's also quite obvious that most of the Korean players aren't going to be as vocal about it as Naniwa was/usually is. https://twitter.com/Startale_Life/status/444578741839486976"very big sound ; i want open brackets stage" is one of his own reply's to the above tweet, explaining his feelings.
My assupmtion is based on Kennigits tweet.
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I'd make a comment about this....but it be just about as unpopular as Naniwa right now
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On March 16 2014 00:40 LongShot27 wrote:
I'd make a comment about this....but it be just about as unpopular as Naniwa right now
You gonna act butthurt now because your pointless thread was closed?
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On March 16 2014 00:40 LongShot27 wrote:
I'd make a comment about this....but it be just about as unpopular as Naniwa right now
You can try to defend Naniwa, but it's a long shot for sure.
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On March 16 2014 00:44 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 00:40 LongShot27 wrote:
I'd make a comment about this....but it be just about as unpopular as Naniwa right now You can try to defend Naniwa, but it's a long shot for sure.
What he did was wrong, he should have not shown up if he was going to do that, but this all happened because of the way the community treated him.
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You can't really soundproof against a crowd of that size, booths do fuck all and noice-cancelling headphones only help so much.
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On March 16 2014 00:47 Broodwurst wrote:
You can't really soundproof against a crowd of that size, booths do fuck all and noice-cancelling headphones only help so much.
You really can't, even if you perfectly soundproofed them, the damn thing would vibrate from all the noise. But they really need white noise generators to deal with commentators being heard.
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On March 16 2014 00:34 Galek wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 00:30 126Q;A1 wrote:On March 15 2014 23:57 Galek wrote:
If only anyone else was complaining about soundproof issue too, but oh well nobody did. Polt's scouting pattern was supposedly pretty standard too. Booing was well deserved, apparently crowd doesn't owe Naniwa anything either. Good luck in your future endeavours. Don't say things like "but oh well nobody did" when you don't actually know if anyone did or not. It's also quite obvious that most of the Korean players aren't going to be as vocal about it as Naniwa was/usually is. https://twitter.com/Startale_Life/status/444578741839486976"very big sound ; i want open brackets stage" is one of his own reply's to the above tweet, explaining his feelings. My assupmtion is based on Kennigits tweet.
You cant make an assumption based on only one tweet. There were plenty of tweets complaining about noice (Nani, polt, life, rogue, etc). This comunity justo hates Nani and will always stand against him.
I found Taeja conduct much worse than Nani and he wasnt punished only because he won.
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On March 16 2014 00:49 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 00:34 Galek wrote:On March 16 2014 00:30 126Q;A1 wrote:On March 15 2014 23:57 Galek wrote:
If only anyone else was complaining about soundproof issue too, but oh well nobody did. Polt's scouting pattern was supposedly pretty standard too. Booing was well deserved, apparently crowd doesn't owe Naniwa anything either. Good luck in your future endeavours. Don't say things like "but oh well nobody did" when you don't actually know if anyone did or not. It's also quite obvious that most of the Korean players aren't going to be as vocal about it as Naniwa was/usually is. https://twitter.com/Startale_Life/status/444578741839486976"very big sound ; i want open brackets stage" is one of his own reply's to the above tweet, explaining his feelings. My assupmtion is based on Kennigits tweet. You cant make an assumption based on only one tweet. There were plenty of tweets complaining about noice (maní, polt, life, rogue, etc). This comunity justo hates Nani and will always stand against him. I found Taeja conduct much worse than Nani and he wasnt punished only because he won.
Yes, yes, but no. Taeja GG'd out of games he didnt want to play because he saw himself losing them. Granted Stardust was only a bit ahead, but playing out a game in that mindset is worse than just leaving and trying again.
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