NaNiwa forfeits mid-series at IEM Katowice - Page 38

On March 15 2014 22:02 maartendq wrote:

To put it really bluntly, progamers exist to entertain us. It is the viewership that attracts sponsors who are willing to pay for players' equipment, salaries, flight tickets, and prize money. If they fail to entertain their viewers they will be critised. Naniwa has been acting like a dick for a long time now but people put up with it because he posted results. As soon as he stopped posting results though, people got sick of his antics.

Noone minds a player showing emotion, but if vitriolic and snide comments towards other players and the community are the only thing a player is capable of, people will get tired of that person really quickly.

Naniwa isn't the only person who takes his esports career seriously. Practically all the players at IEM Katowice do. Naniwa is just the only one that consistently behaves unprofessionaly (apart from Idra, but he left the scene a few months ago, in a similarly childish fashion as Naniwa did).

On March 15 2014 21:23 JoeCool wrote:No one would have booed

On March 15 2014 22:20 djannih wrote:
My proving point is that just because someones acting like an ass doesn't justify you acting like an ass. In other words just because I think the crowd was over the line when NaNi was walking out doesn't justify me calling the crowd what I just did.

What did I do? I acted like an asshole with the excuse that I thought someone else was acting like an asshole.

Another persons bad actions never justifies your own bad actions as the actions in both instances are just that, bad. I think the crowd was acting childish and I understand why NaNi went out the way he did; because he felt the loss was unjust and that the conditions were sub par.

But under any circumstances it's never ok to say what I said just because I think my oppinion is what matters.

On March 15 2014 22:25 NxSs wrote:
Booing isn't acting like a douche, it's expressing your opinion about the actions Naniwa did.
Booing happens all the time in sportevents.

On March 15 2014 22:55 Xoronius wrote:


Good luck finding a Snooker tournament with booing in it. We should'nt aim to develop a fan culture of big team-sports, we could aim for something better. If the tone coming from the general community gets harsher, that leads to harsher behaviour from the players, which leads to more community backlash etcetc. Do you think Nani would have used his twitter, the way he did if he was'nt constantly provoked? This all will just lead to everyone being more angry then it is neccesary.

On March 15 2014 22:55 Xoronius wrote:


Good luck finding a Snooker tournament with booing in it. We shouldn't aim to develop a fan culture of big team-sports, we could aim for something better. If the tone coming from the general community gets harsher, that leads to harsher behavior from the players, which leads to more community backlash etc etc. Do you think Nani would have used his twitter, the way he did if he wasn't constantly provoked? This all will just lead to everyone being more angry then it is neccesary.

On March 15 2014 22:20 djannih wrote:
My proving point is that just because someones acting like an ass doesn't justify you acting like an ass. In other words just because I think the crowd was over the line when NaNi was walking out doesn't justify me calling the crowd what I just did.

What did I do? I acted like an asshole with the excuse that I thought someone else was acting like an asshole.

Another persons bad actions never justifies your own bad actions as the actions in both instances are just that, bad. I think the crowd was acting childish and I understand why NaNi went out the way he did; because he felt the loss was unjust and that the conditions were sub par.

But under any circumstances it's never ok to say what I said just because I think my oppinion is what matters.

On March 15 2014 01:29 Kosak wrote:
adam apicella is right about every of these aspects regarding soundproof, its a damn shame and a huge disgrace for the whole "yeah great crowd"

someone ows thorin an apology

Im cancelling my trip to poland

On March 15 2014 23:03 PrideNeverDie wrote:


http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/apr/25/mark-williams-booed-crucible-snooker

"Mark Williams faced the music after his foul-mouthed tirade against the Crucible when he was booed by hundreds of fans before his match against Liu Chuang.

The 37-year-old Welshman appeared chastened by the crowd's reaction as he walked into the arena for his first-round clash at the World Snooker Championship.

Williams, the world champion in 2000 and 2003, condemned the Sheffield theatre as a "shxt hole" in a Twitter tirade on the eve of the tournament last Friday, for which he is set to be fined. Williams said he hoped the tournament would soon move to China."

On March 15 2014 23:03 Drake wrote:
first of all calling snooker an sport tournament can only be done by british guys LOL ^^

On March 15 2014 22:48 Spect8rCraft wrote:


But then how do we express obvious discontent over such a series of events that transpired? Surely you're not asking us to take it for what it was worth and leave. That'd be the equivalent of ignorance. His professionalism throughout what happened was overall poor, and we called him out on it (some more severely than others, admittedly). What, do you want the crowd to walk up to him and explain why he shouldn't have tweeted that the community was garbage, why he should stay for the duration of the series, why he should refrain from making an implicitly pointed remark through his soundproofing complaint?

Booing isn't being an ass; hell, I didn't even realize it was booing until the casters said it was (sounded like some kind of weird cheer to me). On the contrary, booing is probably the lowest on the scale of bad things to denounce a disliked person,; giving the bird, yelling "you suck" or so on would have surely been worse. Here, booing essentially translates to "you failed to provide proper entertainment to us". And though Naniwa surely doesn't owe us a lick, those who purchased tickets expected entertainment (what, do you buy tickets for entertainment so you can finish your homework assignment?), and had the right to express discontent when there was none. If the crowd really wanted Naniwa on a pike, there were certainly more dreadful things they could have done (see: the LR thread). Booing is rarely a strike at someone; it is often feedback to poor performance (in terms of sports, at least).

In the Starcraft scene in particular, I rarely hear booing of any kind. Even when rivalries come to a head, more often than not their games made up for whatever mean-spirited banter that may have transpired. The fans go home and have a nice pint over it. So when the crowd boos, and they boo like this, it's actually a very significant message to the Starcraft scene. To be insulted over the crowd's behavior that night (day, I suppose) would be ignorant to sports in general.

On March 15 2014 23:03 PrideNeverDie wrote:


http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/apr/25/mark-williams-booed-crucible-snooker

"Mark Williams faced the music after his foul-mouthed tirade against the Crucible when he was booed by hundreds of fans before his match against Liu Chuang.

The 37-year-old Welshman appeared chastened by the crowd's reaction as he walked into the arena for his first-round clash at the World Snooker Championship.

Williams, the world champion in 2000 and 2003, condemned the Sheffield theatre as a "shxt hole" in a Twitter tirade on the eve of the tournament last Friday, for which he is set to be fined. Williams said he hoped the tournament would soon move to China."