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coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
March 15 2014 08:48 GMT
#661
Apologies if this question has been answered already, but it seems obvious - did anyone ask Polt if he was tipped off by the commentators or the crowd and scouted for that reason?

Looking at it, it doesn't look like he did anything differently from what he was planning to do anyways. I would guess that even if he could hear the commentators and understand what they were saying, he wasn't paying attention and just concentrating on his own build.
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 09:32:43
March 15 2014 08:52 GMT
#662
On March 15 2014 15:09 MVega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 14:58 Nirel wrote:
I can't believe people are still defending him, I wonder what he has to do for people to stop making excuses for him.


Swedish pride too strong on the internet. I think the only thing that might rival it is an American defending an American. And I say that as a person who has been in both places and is friends with a great many people from both. I've never known two groups of people that are so amazingly alike aside from a handful of very obvious differences.

So yeah he'll always have defenders even though he totally seems to be doing everything possible to scare them off.

I am from Sweden and there is no player i dislike more out there than Naniwa... O.o

This whole situation is so stupid according to me:

1 - Polt already had his SCVs scouting set
There was not way Polt scouted like he did reacting to the noise from the crowd. He had already set the scouting pattern for the SCV (it is very obvious since the casters even displays the set trip for it).


2 - What was IEM suppoed to do anyway?
You can never give a regame for what happend. If so, anyone could make proxies every game and each time they got scouted they would complain about the crowd. Proxying would turn out into something risk-free.
If I dont remember very wrong, you are always able to feel the vibrations from the crowd through all the covers. I mean, they could make them play from New York if they want to be safe. Would be fun, aight?

Well you could tell the crowd to STFU as someone in this thread suggested since they do that in golf and tennis.
Had that not been really fun tournaments to visit? Everyone sitting quiet, being afraid to upset Nani in the booth?
I think everyone prefers the arena atmosphere - with perhaps a few Nanifans excluded today.

3 - Naniwa if anyone has no moral right to complain
When playing vs Flash on MLG - Naniwa clearly had no shame in his body turning his scouting probe around when the crowd reacted to him missing Flashs proxy barracks.
You find it here

To Sumarize - This is what happends when everyone babysits a child

With nations wars coming up Naniwa did some not really classy moves shutting both Miniraiser and Thorzain out of the team. Instantly the Swedish manager and some other quite high profiled persons in Swedish Esport ride out to his protection because "he is the star and he can do whatever he wants".

When you again, and again, get told that you can do what you want because you are the at it - it wont really strenght your attitude. It will make things like this happend - Naniwa clearly thought he could do whatever he wanted at IEM aswell but nobody actually got impressed this time. Nobody is riding out to answer his cries for justice. There he stands alone, looking like a lone fool.

I have said it for a long time - Naniwas attitude will never be accepted the moment that he is no longer clearly the best non-korean. With that in mind, we should not accept his attitude just because he happends to be a good starcraft player. That itself never gives you the right to act as you want. Neither gives it the best doctor at the hospital the right to call the patiences idiots, morons and a stupid community. You would never accept that at a normal work and I dont think we should accept Naniwa acting as he do either.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
ElBlanco
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia140 Posts
March 15 2014 08:52 GMT
#663
On March 15 2014 17:48 coverpunch wrote:
Apologies if this question has been answered already, but it seems obvious - did anyone ask Polt if he was tipped off by the commentators or the crowd and scouted for that reason?

Looking at it, it doesn't look like he did anything differently from what he was planning to do anyways. I would guess that even if he could hear the commentators and understand what they were saying, he wasn't paying attention and just concentrating on his own build.


Don't need to ask him. He was sending the scout before the crowd started cheering. That plus all the players asked at the event have said the sound proofing isn't an issue (including the LoL players). Naniwa was looking for an excuse and he found it.
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
March 15 2014 08:56 GMT
#664
players should not hear the casters.
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 08:59:51
March 15 2014 08:57 GMT
#665
On March 15 2014 17:52 Glorfindel! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 15:09 MVega wrote:
On March 15 2014 14:58 Nirel wrote:
I can't believe people are still defending him, I wonder what he has to do for people to stop making excuses for him.


Swedish pride too strong on the internet. I think the only thing that might rival it is an American defending an American. And I say that as a person who has been in both places and is friends with a great many people from both. I've never known two groups of people that are so amazingly alike aside from a handful of very obvious differences.

So yeah he'll always have defenders even though he totally seems to be doing everything possible to scare them off.



I have said it for a long time - Naniwas attitude will never be accepted the moment that he is no longer clearly the best non-korean. With that in mind, we should not accept his attitude just because he happends to be a good starcraft player. That itself never gives you the right to act as you want. Neither gives it the best doctor at the hospital the right to call the patiences idiots, morons and a stupid community. You would never accept that at a normal work and I dont think we should accept Naniwa acting as he do either.

Well said, I completely agree.

I've always hated Naniwa and will continue doing so, just because he has a terrible personality.
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coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
March 15 2014 09:02 GMT
#666
On March 15 2014 17:52 ElBlanco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 17:48 coverpunch wrote:
Apologies if this question has been answered already, but it seems obvious - did anyone ask Polt if he was tipped off by the commentators or the crowd and scouted for that reason?

Looking at it, it doesn't look like he did anything differently from what he was planning to do anyways. I would guess that even if he could hear the commentators and understand what they were saying, he wasn't paying attention and just concentrating on his own build.


Don't need to ask him. He was sending the scout before the crowd started cheering. That plus all the players asked at the event have said the sound proofing isn't an issue (including the LoL players). Naniwa was looking for an excuse and he found it.

I think it's worth getting on the record at least. It's one thing for all the players to say sound-proofing isn't an issue. It's another for Polt to simply say he couldn't hear the casters and/or he wasn't paying attention.
Mina
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
March 15 2014 09:05 GMT
#667
DI don't know if it has been said before but Nani surely is a perfect poster child for Aspergers.
That which yields is not always weak.
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
March 15 2014 09:20 GMT
#668
On March 15 2014 17:52 Glorfindel! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 15:09 MVega wrote:
On March 15 2014 14:58 Nirel wrote:
I can't believe people are still defending him, I wonder what he has to do for people to stop making excuses for him.


Swedish pride too strong on the internet. I think the only thing that might rival it is an American defending an American. And I say that as a person who has been in both places and is friends with a great many people from both. I've never known two groups of people that are so amazingly alike aside from a handful of very obvious differences.

So yeah he'll always have defenders even though he totally seems to be doing everything possible to scare them off.

I am from Sweden and there is no player i dislike more out there than Naniwa... O.o

This whole situation is so stupid according to me:

1 - Polt already had his SCVs scouting set
There was not way Polt scouted like he did reacting to the noise from the crowd. He had already set the scouting pattern for the SCV (it is very obvious since the casters even displays the set trip for it).


2 - What was IEM suppoed to do anyway?
You can never give a regame for what happend. If so, anyone could make proxies every game and each time they got scouted they would complain about the crowd. Proxying would turn out into something risk-free.
If I dont remember very wrong, you are always able to feel the vibrations from the crowd through all the covers. I mean, they could make them play from New York if they want to be safe. Would be fun, aight?

Well you could tell the crowd to STFU as someone in this thread suggested since they do that in golf and tennis.
Had that not been really fun tournaments to visit? Everyone sitting quiet, being afraid to upset Nani in the booth?
I think everyone prefers the arena atmosphere - with perhaps a few Nanifans excluded today.

3 - Naniwa if anyone has no moral right to complain
When playing vs Flash on MLG - Naniwa clearly had no shame in his body turning his scouting probe around when the crowd reacted to him missing Flashs proxy barracks.
You find it here

To Sumarize - This is what happends when everyone babysits a child

With nations wars coming up Naniwa did some not really classy moves shutting both Miniraiser and Thorzain out of the team. Instantly the Swedish manager and some other quite high profiled persons in Swedish Esport ride out to his protection because "he is the star and he can do whatever he wants".

When you again, and again, get told that you can do what you want because you are the best at home it wont really strenght your attitude. It will make things like this happend - Naniwa clearly thought he could do whatever he wanted at IEM aswell but nobody actually got impressed this time. Nobody is riding out to answer his cries for justice. There he stands alone, looking like a lone fool.

I have said it for a long time - Naniwas attitude will never be accepted the moment that he is no longer clearly the best non-korean. With that in mind, we should not accept his attitude just because he happends to be a good starcraft player. That itself never gives you the right to act as you want. Neither gives it the best doctor at the hospital the right to call the patiences idiots, morons and a stupid community. You would never accept that at a normal work and I dont think we should accept Naniwa acting as he do either.


This ^

Even though your English is a little off...I totally understand you and 100% agree...great post.
End of Story.

hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
March 15 2014 09:21 GMT
#669
Hey guys I think Naniwa's behaviour is disgusting so I'm going to make jokes about real mental illnesses. /s
Kunzzi
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland1 Post
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 09:28:15
March 15 2014 09:27 GMT
#670
Nani is a complete douchebag and his twitter only proves it.

im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything.


If he doesn't see how fans affect views and therefore amount of sponsors backing up this game then he really shouldn't be missed. No one, not even Intel would give a shit about this game if it wasn't for us, regular players, watching their sc2 tournaments and therefore buying their products (Let's be honest, these things are filled with ads). I swear to god sc2 is a great game but it has too many players who've lost touch with reality.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
March 15 2014 09:30 GMT
#671
On March 15 2014 18:27 Kunzzi wrote:
Nani is a complete douchebag and his twitter only proves it.

Show nested quote +
im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything.


If he doesn't see how fans affect views and therefore amount of sponsors backing up this game then he really shouldn't be missed. No one, not even Intel would give a shit about this game if it wasn't for us, regular players, watching their sc2 tournaments and therefore buying their products (Let's be honest, these things are filled with ads). I swear to god sc2 is a great game but it has too many players who've lost touch with reality.


Yeah, no athlete would ever dare to piss off their WHOLE community because they'd know that this would cost their career.
Esports really shows its flaws in that regard
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 09:32:06
March 15 2014 09:31 GMT
#672
Pressed wrong - NVM
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
Master Blaster
Profile Joined November 2013
Bahamas23 Posts
March 15 2014 09:32 GMT
#673
On March 15 2014 02:55 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 02:54 Damngood wrote:
I agree with Naniwa's opinion and decision. I disagree with his execution, at a minimum though this gets more people to realize how dead sc2 is becoming and how much the game needs a complete revamping equivalent if not more to that of the d3 series currently. Him acting like a dumbass is inadvertently aiding a great cause for selfish reasons. By the way the guy would not randomly complain about soundproofing for no reason and considering IEM's reputation on that being just as poor as Naniwa's PR... Think about it.


I'll get back to you when the finals break 100k viewers and we can talk about the game being 'dead'

Lolz.....no way dude. They're all watching lol, Dota, CS, then maybe hots...
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 09:39:27
March 15 2014 09:33 GMT
#674
On March 15 2014 18:27 Kunzzi wrote:
Nani is a complete douchebag and his twitter only proves it.

Show nested quote +
im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything.


If he doesn't see how fans affect views and therefore amount of sponsors backing up this game then he really shouldn't be missed. No one, not even Intel would give a shit about this game if it wasn't for us, regular players, watching their sc2 tournaments and therefore buying their products (Let's be honest, these things are filled with ads). I swear to god sc2 is a great game but it has too many players who've lost touch with reality.

The community always keeps pointing out, that without the fans, there would be no e-sports and forgets that without players there would'nt be esports either. The players are'nt our humble servants, who have to do everything to please the allmighty fans. The player-community relationship is one, that both parties benefit from, so no, technically he does'nt owe us anything, otherwise we would owe him something as well for watching his games.

On March 15 2014 18:32 Master Blaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 02:55 Zealously wrote:
On March 15 2014 02:54 Damngood wrote:
I agree with Naniwa's opinion and decision. I disagree with his execution, at a minimum though this gets more people to realize how dead sc2 is becoming and how much the game needs a complete revamping equivalent if not more to that of the d3 series currently. Him acting like a dumbass is inadvertently aiding a great cause for selfish reasons. By the way the guy would not randomly complain about soundproofing for no reason and considering IEM's reputation on that being just as poor as Naniwa's PR... Think about it.


I'll get back to you when the finals break 100k viewers and we can talk about the game being 'dead'

Lolz.....no way dude. They're all watching lol, Dota, CS, then maybe hots...

While I respect your educated opinion, please keep in mind, that all finals not neccessarily overlap, that there is no Dota-tournament and that we already got around 50k at the ro16.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
March 15 2014 09:38 GMT
#675
On March 15 2014 01:26 Firkraag8 wrote:
The way he went about it was inappropriate, but if he could hear the crowd then he has a legitimate reason to be upset if then also the admin wouldn't hear his side of it.


You can bitch all you want, but what do you seriously expect them to do on the spot? Postpone the match for a week while they find new booths? Get real.

Naniwa is just a huge crybaby.
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IMR
Profile Joined May 2013
70 Posts
March 15 2014 09:46 GMT
#676
polt always scouts for that.
shubcraft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany145 Posts
March 15 2014 09:51 GMT
#677
Was naniwa contractly obliged to be there or sth like that?! He should just have stayed at home instead of flying out to poland...
There are 10 ninjas hiding in this post ...
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
March 15 2014 09:57 GMT
#678
On March 15 2014 18:33 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 18:27 Kunzzi wrote:
Nani is a complete douchebag and his twitter only proves it.

im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything.


If he doesn't see how fans affect views and therefore amount of sponsors backing up this game then he really shouldn't be missed. No one, not even Intel would give a shit about this game if it wasn't for us, regular players, watching their sc2 tournaments and therefore buying their products (Let's be honest, these things are filled with ads). I swear to god sc2 is a great game but it has too many players who've lost touch with reality.

The community always keeps pointing out, that without the fans, there would be no e-sports and forgets that without players there would'nt be esports either. The players are'nt our humble servants, who have to do everything to please the allmighty fans. The player-community relationship is one, that both parties benefit from, so no, technically he does'nt owe us anything, otherwise we would owe him something as well for watching his games.

Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 18:32 Master Blaster wrote:
On March 15 2014 02:55 Zealously wrote:
On March 15 2014 02:54 Damngood wrote:
I agree with Naniwa's opinion and decision. I disagree with his execution, at a minimum though this gets more people to realize how dead sc2 is becoming and how much the game needs a complete revamping equivalent if not more to that of the d3 series currently. Him acting like a dumbass is inadvertently aiding a great cause for selfish reasons. By the way the guy would not randomly complain about soundproofing for no reason and considering IEM's reputation on that being just as poor as Naniwa's PR... Think about it.


I'll get back to you when the finals break 100k viewers and we can talk about the game being 'dead'

Lolz.....no way dude. They're all watching lol, Dota, CS, then maybe hots...

While I respect your educated opinion, please keep in mind, that all finals not neccessarily overlap, that there is no Dota-tournament and that we already got around 50k at the ro16.

Sorry dude, there would be players even without *the players", that because almost every fan is also a player.

Its like football, or any sport for that matter, all active players could retire or whatever this very day and you know what, tomorrow there would still be football. The "players" you talk about are like the top of an Iceberg, they are the "best" right now and the ones competing. But if they retired there would be a huge line of competetive players behind just waiting for their chance.

A player like Naniwa kan compete like he does because he gets sponsored, he gets sponsored because companies believe that having him wear their logos and represent their company will increase their sales as good marketing. Bad publicity can still be good marketing but its a limit to that as well as demonstrated by the Idra case.

Any sponsor would be glad to exchange an investment that isn't paying off for one that would pay off. Naniwa doesn't owe us anything, we don't owe Naniwa anything. But you know what, Nani fucking owe Alliance for all the team has done for him and he also owes IEM. Naniwa said he doesn't give a fuck about SC2 at the moment but still accepts an invitation to poland, free hotel and a chance at winning 100k. He owes IEM that he sticks to his bloody side of the deal in accepting that spot and that would be that he plays. He could lose, he could not even try if he wanted to but he should have played those games, he owed that not to me, not to the community but to his team and to IEM.
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Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
March 15 2014 09:58 GMT
#679
He´ll always look with shame back at that moment in his life.
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wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
March 15 2014 09:58 GMT
#680
I'm sure the sponsors are really happy with Naniwa having sent him over there so he could proxy gate and forfeit.
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