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CharactR
Canada108 Posts
5/5 Completed! + Show Spoiler + Dominion Lab 140x140 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/w4haJPC.jpeg) Rainfall 136x132 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/QRkuQB3.jpeg) Voyageur 128x132 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/v3EyCrJ.jpeg) Callisto 128x132 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/jacjwb2.jpeg) Windchill 148x148 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Dcfe92z.jpeg) The only change I made from last time is that the mains and naturals now have equivalent mineral lines | ||
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anarchay
19 Posts
MtM is Main to Main, MRtMR is Main Ramp to Main Ramp, NtN is Nat to Nat + Show Spoiler + Bear's Den 200x100, Macro MtM: 45, MRtMR: 37, NtN: 32 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/KgQlRFJ.jpeg) Outsider 136x132, Standard MtM: 46, MRtMR: 37, NtN: 31 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/RQwK3tX.jpeg) Shattered Sands 128x128, Standard MtM: 41, MRtMR: 33, NtN: 27 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/GxqkH6k.jpeg) Small Failures 124x124, Standard MtM: 39, MRtMR: 30, NtN: 26 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/TlwHp8f.jpeg) Viljka-Arni 124x124, Rush MtM: 44, MRtMR: 33, NtN: 32 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/AjgpMFJ.jpeg) | ||
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IrregularProjects
4 Posts
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CommanderChp
United States10 Posts
 + Show Spoiler + Celestial Enclave 132x132 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/YpvnF2s.png) Note: there is a Worker Path leading into the pocket base Washout 132x134 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/O24O4KM.png) Note: The hybrid bases have 6 regular 3 gold, and the rocks permanently destroy the gold minerals Talisman 128x144 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/pYWrt1l.jpg) Note: there is a Worker Path next to the triangle hybrid base Taito Citadel 138x138 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/umdU1ED.jpg) Cradle of Eden 132x132 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/NowZne6.png) Note: The rich gas half base is unbuildable excluding the townhall and geyser location | ||
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themusic246
United States213 Posts
Arcana + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/IuijJFk.jpeg) Throne of the Dunes + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/geymWiJ.jpeg) Storm Surge + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ItJJo1Z.jpeg) White Rabbit + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/paA0TJb.jpeg) Castle Quest + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Semf4Te.png) | ||
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Agaton
Sweden46 Posts
Coralscape + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/FHbbW3u.jpeg) Cryon + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/fNbYmAn.jpeg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/rUTFMcw.jpeg) Shadowgarden + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/zTwknt7.jpeg) Cursed Caverns (yesyes I know...) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/3dY1wfQ.jpeg) Good luck everyone! | ||
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Yafuso
1 Post
Turpentine 150x 128 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/AVJh2ed.png) Thundra 124x140 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/y3vBkN8.png) Two Moons 140x140 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/PVufBSC.png) Luxor Aeterna 142x132 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/xkTlkPQ.png) | ||
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OmniSkeptic
Canada81 Posts
On September 10 2025 10:44 Yafuso wrote: These are quite good for having only started recently …in only 3 months… | ||
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KillerSmile
Germany89 Posts
Mothership 166x166 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/pQmR1eU.jpeg) Wrath 140x140 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/nuP1vPh.jpeg) Sonder 144x132 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/5QumZ2s.jpeg) 10000 Feet 124x136 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/tfn2MMe.jpeg) Rust Belt 136x124 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/pUSIrsI.jpeg) Good luck to all participants! | ||
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monitor
United States2408 Posts
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sidasf
94 Posts
On September 07 2025 21:38 OmniSkeptic wrote: You must be bad at the game???? The healing shrine on Persephone was fine for balance and it was placed quite centrally? And the only other one on Torches I barely even ever see used as it's not impactful enough to bother? Do you solely exist to find any thread tangentially related to mapmaking to complain about a feature which has not presented any problems so far because you can't stand the idea that maybe your alarmist hysteria was wrong? Why is it every single time you post you're unable to do anything but hurl attacks and insults? The one on persephone has already been abused by hellion/hellion+cyclone spam attacking and retreating/healing. And if we're getting maps every 6 months to a year from now on, it only opens up more abusive balance problems that we'll have to deal with. And the only other one on Torches I barely even ever see used as it's not impactful enough to bother? Thanks for proving my second point, that the healing shrines do not add anything interesting to the game. The vetoes also show that the vast majority of people do not enjoy the healing shrine/3p maps https://www.nonapa.com/maps This data clearly shows this trend in all three regions. Would be great to respect the masses of people who play ladder. I know people on this forum vote as well, and are important community members, but we're a very tiny sample size compared to the actual ladder. Lots of cool maps this time around being posted, can't wait to vote! | ||
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CommanderChp
United States10 Posts
On September 12 2025 10:14 sidasf wrote: Why is it every single time you post you're unable to do anything but hurl attacks and insults? The one on persephone has already been abused by hellion/hellion+cyclone spam attacking and retreating/healing. And if we're getting maps every 6 months to a year from now on, it only opens up more abusive balance problems that we'll have to deal with. Thanks for proving my second point, that the healing shrines do not add anything interesting to the game. The vetoes also show that the vast majority of people do not enjoy the healing shrine/3p maps https://www.nonapa.com/maps This data clearly shows this trend in all three regions. Would be great to respect the masses of people who play ladder. I know people on this forum vote as well, and are important community members, but we're a very tiny sample size compared to the actual ladder. Lots of cool maps this time around being posted, can't wait to vote! People veto weird maps, more news at 11. Torches is not vetoed because of the healing shrine, it’s vetoed because of the other features on the map which make it worse for certain races. Also, any map feature placed in the far areas of a map will not come into play until the late game, this is not exclusive to the healing shrine. Using the shrine placement on torches to argue for “boring” is silly imo. Persephone on the other hand, is perfectly fine balance wise. I don’t think these map statistics say what you want them to say about it, Even though it’s one of the weirder maps it’s played quite a lot, it’s only about a 15% difference from the most played map in terms of games played. Also here are some stats for you Persephone Ladder Winrates (GM/M): TvZ: 51% PvT: 53% ZvP: 49% Also fun fact, in pro play Persephone has a 52.3% win rate for TvZ and a 50.3% winrate for PvZ. And this is a map with a heal shrine in the middle of the map. I’m convinced you don’t watch the game if you think the shrine is broken, especially in TvZ/ZvP. EDIT: Persephone is also the 3rd most played (newer) ladder map in pro play. Newer meaning excluding Ultralove/Ley Lines since they’ve been in the pool for a long time. But yeah, citing a normal difference in games played on a weird map as evidence is stupid, not everyone likes weirder maps, everyone is fine with standard maps, this is normal lol. Last Fantasy imo has design flaws, I think the map could be better but I also think it’s nice diversity to have a 3p map. I really want KillerSmile’s mothership map to do well as I think it’s a FANTASTIC 3 spawn map, have really enjoyed playing on it. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1371 Posts
They will just get vetoed. You could have >2P maps in WoL or HotS and it didn't matter too much, but LotV games ramp up too quickly to accommodate randomness in scout patterns. | ||
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CommanderChp
United States10 Posts
On September 12 2025 15:54 MJG wrote: Continuing to push >2P maps when all evidence points towards the player base disliking them is silly. They will just get vetoed. You could have >2P maps in WoL or HotS and it didn't matter too much, but LotV games ramp up too quickly to accommodate randomness in scout patterns. I’m not trying to push for 2P+ really, simply calling out side for his heal shrine nonsense, this guy always gets on my nerve when I see his biased and misinformed posts on tl.net and Reddit For 3p maps, I just personally like having one in the pool cuz it’s fun imo. I think Last Fantasy has issues with its design, while Mothership on the other hand is the perfect design for a 3p map imo, it’s different from any 3p map we’ve had before where it’s actually a triangle and not a circle. If you playtest the map you’ll actually immediately notice the difference due to the minimap, a triangle 3p map is much more space efficient so you’re able to keep the base count “low” and spacing much more even, you don’t have a base the the “triangle 4th” on last fantasy where it’s 10 years from your opponent. But yeah, I just enjoy having a 3p map in the pool personally, I know I’m not alone even if it is a minority, and in a pool of 9 maps I don’t see how it hurts to have just one if it’s a good map (and imo Mothership is) | ||
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themusic246
United States213 Posts
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OmniSkeptic
Canada81 Posts
On September 12 2025 10:14 sidasf wrote: Why is it every single time you post you're unable to do anything but hurl attacks and insults? Don’t want to be attacked or insulted, don’t say things worthy of attack or insult. I do enjoy how the shrines are “broken and too impactful to live with” for balance whilst also still being “irrelevant and boring”. It’s almost like no matter how balanced a shrine is that it would never be enough for you because you’re just fundamentally opposed to change of any kind. | ||
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OmniSkeptic
Canada81 Posts
On September 13 2025 00:58 themusic246 wrote: 3/4 player maps... psch. Asymetrical ladder map wen One man’s rotational 3p map is another man’s asymmetrical map  | ||
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Avexyli
United States702 Posts
However; I think how a 3p map is made is really important; and two of the three 3p maps that we've really seen have been made by Timmay; both of which feature very wide open mains to the rotational direction with expansion patterns that follow; I personally do not think this methodology of 3p can work. Similarly I do not think this map will work in the way that Cactus Valley or rotational 4p maps fell out of favor over the years. It's not just the scouting asymmetry but the spawn and expantion path imbalances that come with it. I think maps like Rush Hour could be looked at as a good example for what might help players feel more comfortable in non 2-p maps, bases that feel more on their side of the map, with their back to "their" wall and in their control. | ||
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OmniSkeptic
Canada81 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines594 Posts
On September 08 2025 17:02 CharactR wrote: My submissions 5/5 Completed! + Show Spoiler + Dominion Lab 140x140 + Show Spoiler + Rainfall 136x132 + Show Spoiler + Voyageur 128x132 + Show Spoiler + Callisto 128x132 + Show Spoiler + Windchill 148x148 + Show Spoiler + The only change I made from last time is that the mains and naturals now have equivalent mineral lines rainfall is beautiful in game | ||
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