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On March 15 2014 13:31 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 13:27 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 13:23 Darkhorse wrote:On March 15 2014 13:18 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 13:09 Darkhorse wrote:On March 15 2014 13:06 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 13:00 Darkhorse wrote:On March 15 2014 12:56 Eventine wrote:On March 15 2014 12:38 Yorkie wrote:On March 15 2014 12:36 Dewdeur wrote:
Really, guys?
Say what you will but there is a logical consistency in him going out with a bang.
We all know he's an immature idiot. But he's our immature idiot. And a very lovable immature idiot. We love him for his skill and for his unpredictable behavior. If we spend 3 years giving this boy attention and cheering him on (regardless of his behavior), we better not act surprised when he acts precisely in the way we've encouraged him to act. This game is nothing without personality. Nothing at all.
Zinedine Zedane made his exit from the football-scene by head-butting Materazzi in the world cup final (his last ever official match). Let's all just think about that for a moment.
I say: cheers to Nani, thank you for the music, and let's hope there's someone else out there who can catch our attention like you did.
Correction, some people loved him for it. Others did not think that was behavior that should be idolized and encouraged. Some people prefer vanilla, others prefer color. Some people prefer people who act like adults and behave professionally. If that's vanilla then sign me up. You can keep the "colorful" ones who pull stunts like this. The scene isn't as hurt by his departure as some people would like to believe. Now that Naniwa is gone I expected viewership to increase dramatically. /s What a silly thing to say. I don't expect viewership to increase. I expect it to stay roughly the same. Believe it or not most people watch the game because they like the game not because they are obsessed with one player. Yeah people keep saying that but SC2 keeps losing viewers. You think the dismissal of the one remaining competitive foreigner at global events isn't going to have an effect? Tournaments not including Naniwa are doing fine. And Scarlett has reached an international tournament final more recently than Naniwa. Have we gone from "There's enough space for LoL and SC2 in the sports realm" to "I'm okay that SC2 is the 4th most popular game"? lol And just checking Scarlett's liquipedia, I don't see anything as big as Blizzcon or IEM world's. Lol. Naniwa qualified for IEM Worlds (and Blizzcon basically) by getting second place at IEM New York which was a tournament not even as stacked as ASUS ROG at Northcon which is the tournament I am referring to. And your first statement doesn't make much sense. But keep on believing that Naniwa was the thing keeping SC2 afloat if that makes you happy. Feel free to PM me in a month or so when SC2 is dead to gloat.
Not even as stacked as ASUS ROG at Northcon? Please, I think they were both equally as stacked at best for ASUS ROG. IEM New York was the epitome of a stacked, under prize pooled tournament at the time.
Although I agree today his behavior was awful and that he should've given his spot to someone more worthy, I don't believe that he's as toxic or cancerous to the scene as others have said. He still deserves respect for being one of the best foreigners in the scene at the moment. It's one less top notch foreigner in the scene for us foreigners to root for, which is pretty sad.
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On March 15 2014 14:03 xxxKagexxx wrote:
this Iem tournament really bored me, not cause of Naniwa left cause he wasn't enough confident it's his own feeling and i m no one to judge a man ! But Stardust losing two time in a row to same kind of thing, with non map control getting out position(at xel naga in Taeja range vision) without msc to recall, msc at home with no unit on field in case of drop at 14 min,
what about those game ??? Taeja using early gg 2 time in row with no convincing advantage for the other player ??? what about that ? why ppl just choose to hate foreigner and Kr are angel that are out of the rule what is this community really ? in french 2 poids 2 mesures.
Mister caster you better not judge ppl playing but only games !
And if you don't love someone you should bother us with it !
What?! That is ridiculous. Plus there is a big difference between what Naniwa and Taeja did. Taeja lost his first two games by overestimating his disadvantages and left too early. HOWEVER, he stuck with it and came back. And are you comparing Stardust making in game mistakes that anyone could make with this stunt Naniwa pulled? Naniwa gave up plain and simple and that's the difference.
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On March 15 2014 14:14 Wockets wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 13:31 Darkhorse wrote:On March 15 2014 13:27 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 13:23 Darkhorse wrote:On March 15 2014 13:18 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 13:09 Darkhorse wrote:On March 15 2014 13:06 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 13:00 Darkhorse wrote:On March 15 2014 12:56 Eventine wrote:On March 15 2014 12:38 Yorkie wrote:
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Correction, some people loved him for it. Others did not think that was behavior that should be idolized and encouraged. Some people prefer vanilla, others prefer color. Some people prefer people who act like adults and behave professionally. If that's vanilla then sign me up. You can keep the "colorful" ones who pull stunts like this. The scene isn't as hurt by his departure as some people would like to believe. Now that Naniwa is gone I expected viewership to increase dramatically. /s What a silly thing to say. I don't expect viewership to increase. I expect it to stay roughly the same. Believe it or not most people watch the game because they like the game not because they are obsessed with one player. Yeah people keep saying that but SC2 keeps losing viewers. You think the dismissal of the one remaining competitive foreigner at global events isn't going to have an effect? Tournaments not including Naniwa are doing fine. And Scarlett has reached an international tournament final more recently than Naniwa. Have we gone from "There's enough space for LoL and SC2 in the sports realm" to "I'm okay that SC2 is the 4th most popular game"? lol And just checking Scarlett's liquipedia, I don't see anything as big as Blizzcon or IEM world's. Lol. Naniwa qualified for IEM Worlds (and Blizzcon basically) by getting second place at IEM New York which was a tournament not even as stacked as ASUS ROG at Northcon which is the tournament I am referring to. And your first statement doesn't make much sense. But keep on believing that Naniwa was the thing keeping SC2 afloat if that makes you happy. Feel free to PM me in a month or so when SC2 is dead to gloat. Not even as stacked as ASUS ROG at Northcon? Please, I think they were both equally as stacked at best for ASUS ROG. IEM New York was the epitome of a stacked, under prize pooled tournament at the time. Although I agree today his behavior was awful and that he should've given his spot to someone more worthy, I don't believe that he's as toxic or cancerous to the scene as others have said. He still deserves respect for being one of the best foreigners in the scene at the moment. It's one less top notch foreigner in the scene for us foreigners to root for, which is pretty sad.
I took another look at the player lists and I admit I will give the nod to IEM NY. Still Naniwa beat Hack twice, San, and Hyun to make the final, while Scarlett beat Jjakji, elfi, Stardust, and Life to reach hers. This is still arguable for either side. The point is there are other foreigners who can make deep runs.
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On March 15 2014 14:01 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Anybody that followed the swedish warcraft3 scene knew Naniwa was a toxic person. Back in 2005 he would attend Lans under the id Skoth and was just overall a cancerous person bming others irl. Even though he gathered a lot of fans from his skill, I don't see how anybody would not like him. Glad to see his ego has finally caught and and it drove him out of his scene. I will miss his gameplay dearly but he as a person won't be missed.
His ego caught up to him? I wouldnt want to play on what is probably going to be the biggest stage of the year after not having practiced for a month because of the current state of the game.. It was either get stomped for 2 more games or leave right then and there and now everyone is flipping out and its hilarious because everyone inside the sc community places this community on it on some high pedestal like we're all really mature and are respectful or something and then someone does something that we didnt like and instead of respecting his decision that he made and had all the reason to make we take an immature "good riddance its so bad manner, hes been mad manner since 2005 im so angry i didnt get to see 10 more minutes of naniwa trying to proxy somethign and failing > ". Its just I cant understand the response to this, he took the high ground and people booed I give him 100% respect for bowing down when he did.
For the record i was never a huge naniwa fan, I would go as far to say i hated him at one point. But really every time i read a thread or forum when something controversial happens I think about my favorite Churchill quote "the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter"
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On March 15 2014 14:22 Fhiz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 14:01 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Anybody that followed the swedish warcraft3 scene knew Naniwa was a toxic person. Back in 2005 he would attend Lans under the id Skoth and was just overall a cancerous person bming others irl. Even though he gathered a lot of fans from his skill, I don't see how anybody would not like him. Glad to see his ego has finally caught and and it drove him out of his scene. I will miss his gameplay dearly but he as a person won't be missed. His ego caught up to him? I wouldnt want to play on what is probably going to be the biggest stage of the year after not having practiced for a month because of the current state of the game.. It was either get stomped for 2 more games or leave right then and there and now everyone is flipping out and its hilarious because everyone inside the sc community places this community on it on some high pedestal like we're all really mature and are respectful or something and then someone does something that we didnt like and instead of respecting his decision that he made and had all the reason to make we take an immature "good riddance its so bad manner, hes been mad manner since 2005 im so angry i didnt get to see 10 more minutes of naniwa trying to proxy somethign and failing > ". Its just I cant understand the response to this, he took the high ground and people booed I give him 100% respect for bowing down when he did. For the record i was never a huge naniwa fan, I would go as far to say i hated him at one point. But really every time i read a thread or forum when something controversial happens I think about my favorite Churchill quote "the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter"
TIL "the high ground" means going to a tournament you are completely unprepared for, using a ridiculous build, accusing the other player of cheating when you get scouted, and forfeiting instead of doing his best to win. You certainly talk down on the average member of the community and their claims but my god are you making some ridiculous ones.
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I heard it was Naniwa's birthday today? If so, I hope he wasn't sad or mad and could still have a good day. No one should be unhappy on their birthday.
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On March 15 2014 14:27 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 14:22 Fhiz wrote:On March 15 2014 14:01 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Anybody that followed the swedish warcraft3 scene knew Naniwa was a toxic person. Back in 2005 he would attend Lans under the id Skoth and was just overall a cancerous person bming others irl. Even though he gathered a lot of fans from his skill, I don't see how anybody would not like him. Glad to see his ego has finally caught and and it drove him out of his scene. I will miss his gameplay dearly but he as a person won't be missed. His ego caught up to him? I wouldnt want to play on what is probably going to be the biggest stage of the year after not having practiced for a month because of the current state of the game.. It was either get stomped for 2 more games or leave right then and there and now everyone is flipping out and its hilarious because everyone inside the sc community places this community on it on some high pedestal like we're all really mature and are respectful or something and then someone does something that we didnt like and instead of respecting his decision that he made and had all the reason to make we take an immature "good riddance its so bad manner, hes been mad manner since 2005 im so angry i didnt get to see 10 more minutes of naniwa trying to proxy somethign and failing > ". Its just I cant understand the response to this, he took the high ground and people booed I give him 100% respect for bowing down when he did. For the record i was never a huge naniwa fan, I would go as far to say i hated him at one point. But really every time i read a thread or forum when something controversial happens I think about my favorite Churchill quote "the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter" TIL "the high ground" means going to a tournament you are completely unprepared for, using a ridiculous build, accusing the other player of cheating when you get scouted, and forfeiting instead of doing his best to win. You certainly talk down on the average member of the community and their claims but my god are you making some ridiculous ones.
Wow, what a ridiculous claim for respecting the choice naniwa had the right to make. And even polt said he could hear the casters so lol
I would of never expected anything that poor from ESL
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On March 15 2014 14:36 Fhiz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 14:27 Darkhorse wrote:On March 15 2014 14:22 Fhiz wrote:On March 15 2014 14:01 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Anybody that followed the swedish warcraft3 scene knew Naniwa was a toxic person. Back in 2005 he would attend Lans under the id Skoth and was just overall a cancerous person bming others irl. Even though he gathered a lot of fans from his skill, I don't see how anybody would not like him. Glad to see his ego has finally caught and and it drove him out of his scene. I will miss his gameplay dearly but he as a person won't be missed. His ego caught up to him? I wouldnt want to play on what is probably going to be the biggest stage of the year after not having practiced for a month because of the current state of the game.. It was either get stomped for 2 more games or leave right then and there and now everyone is flipping out and its hilarious because everyone inside the sc community places this community on it on some high pedestal like we're all really mature and are respectful or something and then someone does something that we didnt like and instead of respecting his decision that he made and had all the reason to make we take an immature "good riddance its so bad manner, hes been mad manner since 2005 im so angry i didnt get to see 10 more minutes of naniwa trying to proxy somethign and failing > ". Its just I cant understand the response to this, he took the high ground and people booed I give him 100% respect for bowing down when he did. For the record i was never a huge naniwa fan, I would go as far to say i hated him at one point. But really every time i read a thread or forum when something controversial happens I think about my favorite Churchill quote "the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter" TIL "the high ground" means going to a tournament you are completely unprepared for, using a ridiculous build, accusing the other player of cheating when you get scouted, and forfeiting instead of doing his best to win. You certainly talk down on the average member of the community and their claims but my god are you making some ridiculous ones. Wow, what a ridiculous claim for respecting the choice naniwa had the right to make. And even polt said he could hear the casters so lol I would of never expected anything that poor from ESL
Yeah he had to right to forfeit. If you want to applaud that move that's fine, just know that you are the minority because it was kind of an unprofessional and stupid move. As far as the sound proofing issue read back in the thread. There are multiple people who link tweets of tournament organizers and attendees saying how there were no sound proofing issues, and a few that say there were so I don't know what to believe. All I know is that he should have made one of two choices: play out the series, or not come to the event at all. He made neither of those choices and did something stupid. That's it. Can't believe you are defending Naniwa to the death here and shitting on ESL for trying to run a nice tournament.
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On March 15 2014 14:27 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 14:22 Fhiz wrote:On March 15 2014 14:01 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Anybody that followed the swedish warcraft3 scene knew Naniwa was a toxic person. Back in 2005 he would attend Lans under the id Skoth and was just overall a cancerous person bming others irl. Even though he gathered a lot of fans from his skill, I don't see how anybody would not like him. Glad to see his ego has finally caught and and it drove him out of his scene. I will miss his gameplay dearly but he as a person won't be missed. His ego caught up to him? I wouldnt want to play on what is probably going to be the biggest stage of the year after not having practiced for a month because of the current state of the game.. It was either get stomped for 2 more games or leave right then and there and now everyone is flipping out and its hilarious because everyone inside the sc community places this community on it on some high pedestal like we're all really mature and are respectful or something and then someone does something that we didnt like and instead of respecting his decision that he made and had all the reason to make we take an immature "good riddance its so bad manner, hes been mad manner since 2005 im so angry i didnt get to see 10 more minutes of naniwa trying to proxy somethign and failing > ". Its just I cant understand the response to this, he took the high ground and people booed I give him 100% respect for bowing down when he did. For the record i was never a huge naniwa fan, I would go as far to say i hated him at one point. But really every time i read a thread or forum when something controversial happens I think about my favorite Churchill quote "the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter" TIL "the high ground" means going to a tournament you are completely unprepared for, using a ridiculous build, accusing the other player of cheating when you get scouted, and forfeiting instead of doing his best to win. You certainly talk down on the average member of the community and their claims but my god are you making some ridiculous ones.
Don't forget about his super classy "took the high ground" tweet afterwards:
What a winner!
NaNiwa is a child. His brain hasn't developed enough to handle his own fame. He just wasn't ready. It's a bit cliché, but he's a lot like Justin Bieber in this regard; there's some talent in there, but he's such an immature piece of shit that no one really cares anymore.
NaNiwa will exit the scene as the ultimate antihero, which is pretty funny since he was hailed as being the foreign hope for so long.
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Being a professional is being "professional". If you want to claim the phrase of being an online professional gamer then you take on a certain responsibility. There are fans that look up to you and want to attain you greatness. Also, the fact that Naniwa called the SC2 community "disgusting" should speak volumes. I love Naniwa's tactics...but everyone hates a terrible personality.
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On March 15 2014 13:41 Khai wrote:Rofl, such a bad mannered prick. Never thought of him as a pro, he doesn't deserved to be called one. Zero professionalism. Good riddance. EDIT: Please add this to OP https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/444651265923219456 The sense of entitlement is strong on this one. Fans are the reason why there are tournament prize money and sponsorship. So ignorant.
I like his tweet and what he did.
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To me, it doesn't matter how he feels in the future. He made his choice, good luck for the future, GFY.
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On March 15 2014 14:54 illidanx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 13:41 Khai wrote:Rofl, such a bad mannered prick. Never thought of him as a pro, he doesn't deserved to be called one. Zero professionalism. Good riddance. EDIT: Please add this to OP https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/444651265923219456 The sense of entitlement is strong on this one. Fans are the reason why there are tournament prize money and sponsorship. So ignorant. I like his tweet and what he did.
Haha of course you do.
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On March 15 2014 14:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
To me, it doesn't matter how he feels in the future. He made his choice, good luck for the future, GFY.
Wow, imagine that, an adult with a fully developed brain playing a video game and posting on a forum!
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I can't believe people are still defending him, I wonder what he has to do for people to stop making excuses for him.
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On March 15 2014 14:58 Nirel wrote:
I can't believe people are still defending him, I wonder what he has to do for people to stop making excuses for him.
I also cannot believe there are any sympathetic people in this world.
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The amount of f**k given today : -1
Gotta give it to naniwa for being completely immune to any public pressure/opnions/whatssoever, dude's got balls of steel lol.
on a serious note, wouldn't things like this requires a fine or something? seeing as ban doesn't mean anything for him/other people who perform similar acts at this point.
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Winners find a way. Quitters walk away.
Good riddance.
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On March 15 2014 15:07 Fhiz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 14:58 Nirel wrote:
I can't believe people are still defending him, I wonder what he has to do for people to stop making excuses for him. I also cannot believe there are any sympathetic people in this world.
Maybe Naniwa wore out their sympathy...
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