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MLG Hwaiting! seriously if MLG can do a live english broadcast that will be great. if not then the korean broadcast will suffice.
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On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well.
If MLG folks have any spine, any sense of right and wrong, they'd reject any Kespa broadcast offers for streaming now because of the way Kespa's doing business.
I doubt that'll be the case as having a Proleague stream and Kespa players at MLG events is quite lucrative, but that doesn't mean one can't hope 
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Will a korean caster stream still be available?
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So basically.. MLG doesnt want to do a Live stream..only an English cast rebroadcast at American times for Americans only?... Well..not paying for that..
No point paying just for VODs.. Half the fun is watching live. Seems like MLG only catering to Americans..
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On December 07 2012 04:51 Imagine42 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. If MLG folks have any spine, any sense of right and wrong, they'd reject any Kespa broadcast offers for streaming now because of the way Kespa's doing business. I doubt that'll be the case as having a Proleague stream and Kespa players at MLG events is quite lucrative, but that doesn't mean one can't hope
Why are you guys assuming KESPA did anything wrong? How does anyone know (myself included) what happened behind closed doors with OGN? There is obviously a long business history there, I would assume something happened behind closed doors. Everything now is just speculation, but I don't think it is right to point fingers.
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On December 07 2012 04:54 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:51 Imagine42 wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. If MLG folks have any spine, any sense of right and wrong, they'd reject any Kespa broadcast offers for streaming now because of the way Kespa's doing business. I doubt that'll be the case as having a Proleague stream and Kespa players at MLG events is quite lucrative, but that doesn't mean one can't hope Why are you guys assuming KESPA did anything wrong? How does anyone know (myself included) what happened behind closed doors with OGN? There is obviously a long business history there, I would assume something happened behind closed doors. Everything now is just speculation, but I don't think it is right to point fingers.
Thank you for laying down some honesty.
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On December 07 2012 04:21 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:19 MrCon wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. But this twitt is from 2 days ago ? Or it's the timezones. Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative.
I'm sure MLGLee know full well what he meant when he said "Proleague matches streamed in english". We're not a naive as you think.
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On December 07 2012 04:56 ShadowReaver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:21 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 04:19 MrCon wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. But this twitt https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945 is from 2 days ago ? Or it's the timezones. Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative. I'm sure MLGLee know full well what he meant when he said "Proleague matches streamed in english". We're not a naive as you think.
Lee reports to me, so I would be really alarmed if Lee was doing something of that magnitude without express permission from me.
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MLG, don't try - Do. There is no try.
I hate it when business' "Try" to do things. When it is your profession, you just do it and get it done. You "try" to do things when you are in elementary school.
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On December 07 2012 04:56 ShadowReaver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:21 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 04:19 MrCon wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. But this twitt https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945 is from 2 days ago ? Or it's the timezones. Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative. I'm sure MLGLee know full well what he meant when he said "Proleague matches streamed in english". We're not a naive as you think.
you do know that MLG isn't this evil organization right? i'd swear its like MLG killed 50 top sc2 players with the shit they get some time.
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Adam, If you guys decide to do this and you guys follow through.I will reinstate my membership.
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On December 07 2012 04:57 Grimmyman123 wrote:
MLG, don't try - Do. There is no try.
I hate it when business' "Try" to do things. When it is your profession, you just do it and get it done. You "try" to do things when you are in elementary school.
Wow, whats with everyone being a douchebag nowadays?
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On December 07 2012 04:54 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:51 Imagine42 wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. If MLG folks have any spine, any sense of right and wrong, they'd reject any Kespa broadcast offers for streaming now because of the way Kespa's doing business. I doubt that'll be the case as having a Proleague stream and Kespa players at MLG events is quite lucrative, but that doesn't mean one can't hope Why are you guys assuming KESPA did anything wrong? How does anyone know (myself included) what happened behind closed doors with OGN? There is obviously a long business history there, I would assume something happened behind closed doors. Everything now is just speculation, but I don't think it is right to point fingers.
Understandable, but KESPA doesn't get much of the benefit of the doubt from the foreign SC community anymore, and frankly, I don't think they deserve it. This type of last minute change that screws over the foreign community... is typical of KESPA run events. Maybe they're changing, but yeah, color me skeptical.
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On December 07 2012 01:12 KirA_TheGreaT wrote:
rebroadcast with english subtitles would be nice
Subtitles is more work than having two people give their own thoughts on it in english and live emotions are great as well. Reading subtitles is a pain and usually full of translation errors too ...
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On December 07 2012 05:02 iPAndi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:57 Grimmyman123 wrote:
MLG, don't try - Do. There is no try.
I hate it when business' "Try" to do things. When it is your profession, you just do it and get it done. You "try" to do things when you are in elementary school. Wow, whats with everyone being a douchebag nowadays?
You must be new the the internets.
Welcome.
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On December 07 2012 04:54 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:51 Imagine42 wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. If MLG folks have any spine, any sense of right and wrong, they'd reject any Kespa broadcast offers for streaming now because of the way Kespa's doing business. I doubt that'll be the case as having a Proleague stream and Kespa players at MLG events is quite lucrative, but that doesn't mean one can't hope Why are you guys assuming KESPA did anything wrong? How does anyone know (myself included) what happened behind closed doors with OGN? There is obviously a long business history there, I would assume something happened behind closed doors. Everything now is just speculation, but I don't think it is right to point fingers.
Tbh, whether or not KeSPA had good intentions, the fact that everything related to the English stream looks so disorganized with ONE day to go before SPL starts is ridiculous.,
The fact that it looks like there won't be a live English stream ready for Saturday in itself is alarming and says a lot about how much KeSPA cares about foreign viewers... All we can go by is what is publicly available, and so far it's not pretty.
If someone has a good quality livestream with a decent VOD service this week end then we'll start giving KeSPA the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't even really have to be good, just not sub-WCG >.>
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Will you be working overtime tonight Adam (Korean morning/afternoon) until you have an Answer for us (Fans) for the EG-TL vs KT Rolster match might be able to be streamed (in english, live) tomorrow evening? 03:30 GMT (+00:00)
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On December 07 2012 04:57 Grimmyman123 wrote:
MLG, don't try - Do. There is no try.
I hate it when business' "Try" to do things. When it is your profession, you just do it and get it done. You "try" to do things when you are in elementary school.
I'm sure they won't take no for an answer thanks to you. You obviously know nothing about business, if you're going to spew things like that.
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MLG Still has opportunity to work with Tasteless, Artosis, Wolf, Khaldor etc. English casters in Korea is very viable. Yea, they work for Gom but MLG does not seem shy about partnerships at all, especially with Korea. It is very possible we could see the Proleague casted by the likes of Tastosis which would just be ridiculous! If MLG and Kespa really want to make this Proleague a huge success they should not make it PPV, atleast off the bat. A free English and KOrean stream would yield huge excitement and I personally think this is fing awesome and there will be an English cast one way or another so no worries Team Liquiders!
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Given Kespa's history, it's incredible we have anyone able to both negotiate with Kespa AND read TL threads.
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