On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote: I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place.
Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol.
Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point.
It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on.
It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well.
But this twitt is from 2 days ago ? Or it's the timezones.
MLG considering (or having an opportunity to produce) an English Proleague cast doesn't mean they were aware of OGN being forced to cancel their plans for one.
On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote: I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place.
Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol.
Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point.
It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on.
It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well.
Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative.
On December 07 2012 04:02 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Still sad to see OGN get cheated out of Proleague, but at least Kespa's control-freak ways didn't cheat us all out of a decent English stream.
All that's confirmed so far is a tape delayed stream. AFAIK MLG hasn't indicated that they would have anything live.
For all we know it could even be casted from replays, depending on who of KeSPA and OGN owns the actual broadcast (as opposed to broadcasting rights) -_-
I honestly don't see them being cast any other way if MLG goes ahead with the English cast. Since if they could voice over the OGN cast they would have to mute the entire stream and there would be no game sound. So at the very least OGN would need to provide them with everything except the Koreans caster sound. This is a huge clusterfuck at the last minute.
Or have MLG in the game as an observer?
That would require MLG to have someone on the ground in Korea.
On December 07 2012 04:02 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Still sad to see OGN get cheated out of Proleague, but at least Kespa's control-freak ways didn't cheat us all out of a decent English stream.
All that's confirmed so far is a tape delayed stream. AFAIK MLG hasn't indicated that they would have anything live.
For all we know it could even be casted from replays, depending on who of KeSPA and OGN owns the actual broadcast (as opposed to broadcasting rights) -_-
I honestly don't see them being cast any other way if MLG goes ahead with the English cast. Since if they could voice over the OGN cast they would have to mute the entire stream and there would be no game sound. So at the very least OGN would need to provide them with everything except the Koreans caster sound. This is a huge clusterfuck at the last minute.
That's my fear. If they just cast from replay then MLG's broadcast holds no value to me, paid or free. The crowd's and player's reactions is what makes a live event a live event. Oh well, as long as the Korean VODs are accessible I can still watch that.
Anyone knows a way to learn Korean in two days? I already speak French, if that helps speed up the process :-P
On December 07 2012 04:02 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Still sad to see OGN get cheated out of Proleague, but at least Kespa's control-freak ways didn't cheat us all out of a decent English stream.
All that's confirmed so far is a tape delayed stream. AFAIK MLG hasn't indicated that they would have anything live.
I'm fine with that. Heck, that's actually what I prefer. I'm an American kid who needs to wake up at 5:45 for school. Watching a tournament broadcasted at Korean time just isn't possible for me.
On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote: I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place.
Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol.
Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point.
It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big.
Here's why I don't believe it. You're not using your clout to move Kespa off kr television. That statement is just a red herring. It's still going to be on kr television. This issue is about an english stream over the internet, not KR television.
Also, MLG Lee tweeted about asking if people wanted an english broadcast of proleague a couple of days ago. That is a hint of what was to come, but your statement makes it sound like this came out of the blue for you. Was MLG Lee a prophet then and could see the future? Otherwise that would be a pretty random thing to tweet about unless he had insider knowledge of the future.
On December 07 2012 03:50 Doodsmack wrote:
On December 07 2012 03:41 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:
On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote: I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place.
The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol.
Exactly, which is why it's the strongest piece of evidence. What has MLG done to lead you to believe money isn't their motivation in everything they do? I have nothing against MLG making money since these leagues aren't charity. Just funny to see some people think MLG's goal isn't to make money. Sounds pretty naive to me.
What about MLG's need to make money leads to an assumption of corruption? All businesses need to make money, but that doesn't lead to the conclusion that decisions which could theoretically be explained by corruption/conspiracy should be interpreted as such.
Where did I say anything about corruption? There's nothing corrupt about what MLG did. It's just a smart business decision for them. The MLG/Kespa relationship is pretty one sided in Kespa's favour right now, but getting to broadcast proleague will go a long way to equalizing their partnership.
I should use the word conspiracy instead of corruption. You're alleging that there was a conspiracy on the part of MLG to push out OGN and get the English broadcast and make it appear as if Kespa's relationship with OGN broke down and then MLG stepped in. Your explicit argument is that MLG stood to make money off a conspiracy therefore the conspiracy occurred.
I think what happened is MLG asked for this a while ago, but Kespa is just slow to make decisions on things and didn't agree to it till recently. Therefore, they just made the decision to do what would come off best pr wise now. There's nothing wrong with MLG broadcasting proleague and if this was announced weeks in advance, then I don't think many would have an issue with it. It would have just been another MLG press release announcing proleague broadcasting and I don't think people would have been up in arms about it at all.
There's a reaction now only because everyone was kept in the dark about the english stream just days out from the first proleague match. Therefore, it's just damage control now because I think Kespa is just slow at making decisions and like to wait till the last minute on some things.
You still are just concocting a conspiracy theory that the "PR damage control" is a lie, without having anything to back your story up. I guess now you've gone from "MLG stood to make money" and "MLG was the mastermind" to "Kespa is slow to make decisions and now its just a bit of PR by MLG". Just realize that guilty until proven innocent attitudes like yours don't do the forums or community any good
On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote: I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place.
Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol.
Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point.
It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on.
It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well.
Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative.
Perhaps these details haven't been worked out yet, and I apologize if this has been asked before, but do you know if this is planned to be a free service or a PPV model (or somewhat in between)?
On December 07 2012 04:02 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Still sad to see OGN get cheated out of Proleague, but at least Kespa's control-freak ways didn't cheat us all out of a decent English stream.
All that's confirmed so far is a tape delayed stream. AFAIK MLG hasn't indicated that they would have anything live.
I'm fine with that. Heck, that's actually what I prefer. I'm an American kid who needs to wake up at 5:45 for school. Watching a tournament broadcasted at Korean time just isn't possible for me.
My issue with that is that there won't be VODs for at least 24h after the matches are done. I nearly never watch GSL live, but I am willing to pay a lot of money to watch it as soon as it's convenient for me to do so. That's what I was hoping to do for ProLeague.
On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote: I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place.
Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol.
Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point.
It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on.
It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well.
Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative.
So there is no plans to have either a live stream or timely VODs? And if not, is that something you guys are looking into for future rounds?
On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote: I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place.
Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol.
Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point.
It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big.
Here's why I don't believe it. You're not using your clout to move Kespa off kr television. That statement is just a red herring. It's still going to be on kr television. This issue is about an english stream over the internet, not KR television.
Also, MLG Lee tweeted about asking if people wanted an english broadcast of proleague a couple of days ago. That is a hint of what was to come, but your statement makes it sound like this came out of the blue for you. Was MLG Lee a prophet then and could see the future? Otherwise that would be a pretty random thing to tweet about unless he had insider knowledge of the future.
On December 07 2012 03:50 Doodsmack wrote:
On December 07 2012 03:41 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:
On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote: I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place.
The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol.
Exactly, which is why it's the strongest piece of evidence. What has MLG done to lead you to believe money isn't their motivation in everything they do? I have nothing against MLG making money since these leagues aren't charity. Just funny to see some people think MLG's goal isn't to make money. Sounds pretty naive to me.
What about MLG's need to make money leads to an assumption of corruption? All businesses need to make money, but that doesn't lead to the conclusion that decisions which could theoretically be explained by corruption/conspiracy should be interpreted as such.
Where did I say anything about corruption? There's nothing corrupt about what MLG did. It's just a smart business decision for them. The MLG/Kespa relationship is pretty one sided in Kespa's favour right now, but getting to broadcast proleague will go a long way to equalizing their partnership.
I should use the word conspiracy instead of corruption. You're alleging that there was a conspiracy on the part of MLG to push out OGN and get the English broadcast and make it appear as if Kespa's relationship with OGN broke down and then MLG stepped in. Your explicit argument is that MLG stood to make money off a conspiracy therefore the conspiracy occurred.
I think what happened is MLG asked for this a while ago, but Kespa is just slow to make decisions on things and didn't agree to it till recently. Therefore, they just made the decision to do what would come off best pr wise now. There's nothing wrong with MLG broadcasting proleague and if this was announced weeks in advance, then I don't think many would have an issue with it. It would have just been another MLG press release announcing proleague broadcasting and I don't think people would have been up in arms about it at all.
There's a reaction now only because everyone was kept in the dark about the english stream just days out from the first proleague match. Therefore, it's just damage control now because I think Kespa is just slow at making decisions and like to wait till the last minute on some things.
You still are just concocting a conspiracy theory that the "PR damage control" is a lie, without having anything to back your story up. I guess now you've gone from "MLG stood to make money" and "MLG was the mastermind" to "Kespa is slow to make decisions and now its just a bit of PR by MLG". Just realize that guilty until proven innocent attitudes like yours don't do the forums or community any good
No, I just like to use critical thinking instead of believing everything an organization says at face value. MLG adam tweeted about selling people tinfoil hats at MLG. I think he means he wants to sell people common business sense at next MLG.
I like MLG and have always defended them against the haters since I prefer MLG over euro tourneys like DH because they bring the best KRs to events. However, I'm not blind enough to believe everything they say.
On December 07 2012 04:02 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Still sad to see OGN get cheated out of Proleague, but at least Kespa's control-freak ways didn't cheat us all out of a decent English stream.
All that's confirmed so far is a tape delayed stream. AFAIK MLG hasn't indicated that they would have anything live.
For all we know it could even be casted from replays, depending on who of KeSPA and OGN owns the actual broadcast (as opposed to broadcasting rights) -_-
I honestly don't see them being cast any other way if MLG goes ahead with the English cast. Since if they could voice over the OGN cast they would have to mute the entire stream and there would be no game sound. So at the very least OGN would need to provide them with everything except the Koreans caster sound. This is a huge clusterfuck at the last minute.
Or have MLG in the game as an observer?
That would require MLG to have someone on the ground in Korea.
Why? Do they play on the "not local battle.net server"? Otherwise all they need is an korean account.
On December 07 2012 04:02 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Still sad to see OGN get cheated out of Proleague, but at least Kespa's control-freak ways didn't cheat us all out of a decent English stream.
All that's confirmed so far is a tape delayed stream. AFAIK MLG hasn't indicated that they would have anything live.
For all we know it could even be casted from replays, depending on who of KeSPA and OGN owns the actual broadcast (as opposed to broadcasting rights) -_-
I honestly don't see them being cast any other way if MLG goes ahead with the English cast. Since if they could voice over the OGN cast they would have to mute the entire stream and there would be no game sound. So at the very least OGN would need to provide them with everything except the Koreans caster sound. This is a huge clusterfuck at the last minute.
Or have MLG in the game as an observer?
That would require MLG to have someone on the ground in Korea.
Why? Do they play on the "not local battle.net server"? Otherwise all they need is an korean account.
They way SC2 syncs the game for all players/observers, this will cause some lag for players.
On December 07 2012 04:02 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Still sad to see OGN get cheated out of Proleague, but at least Kespa's control-freak ways didn't cheat us all out of a decent English stream.
All that's confirmed so far is a tape delayed stream. AFAIK MLG hasn't indicated that they would have anything live.
For all we know it could even be casted from replays, depending on who of KeSPA and OGN owns the actual broadcast (as opposed to broadcasting rights) -_-
I honestly don't see them being cast any other way if MLG goes ahead with the English cast. Since if they could voice over the OGN cast they would have to mute the entire stream and there would be no game sound. So at the very least OGN would need to provide them with everything except the Koreans caster sound. This is a huge clusterfuck at the last minute.
Or have MLG in the game as an observer?
That would require MLG to have someone on the ground in Korea.
Why? Do they play on the "not local battle.net server"? Otherwise all they need is an korean account.
Yes, because it's a good idea to have an OBS based in North America or Europe for a game played in Korea... That wouldn't cause any issues at all...
The only way for MLG to produce a cast on the level of what GOM does (or on the level that OGN could have done) is to have an entire producing team on the ground. Hopefully that is in their short to medium term plans (as in, before round 2-3). Otherwise this news is a major, major bummer.
On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote: I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place.
Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol.
Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point.
It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on.
It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well.
Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative.
On December 07 2012 04:37 NMRemorse wrote: Wait...this was going to be PPV? : - (). I was looking forward to following this event zzz. Cnt afford PPV another event ...besides GSL-HD.
It was going to be free stream, 5$/month for all OGN VODs from what I understood from DoA. No idea what MLG is going to do, but it looks like they will either re-stream OGN's stream and commentate over it or cast from replays. Either way, probably not worth paying for.
On December 07 2012 04:02 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Still sad to see OGN get cheated out of Proleague, but at least Kespa's control-freak ways didn't cheat us all out of a decent English stream.
All that's confirmed so far is a tape delayed stream. AFAIK MLG hasn't indicated that they would have anything live.
For all we know it could even be casted from replays, depending on who of KeSPA and OGN owns the actual broadcast (as opposed to broadcasting rights) -_-
I honestly don't see them being cast any other way if MLG goes ahead with the English cast. Since if they could voice over the OGN cast they would have to mute the entire stream and there would be no game sound. So at the very least OGN would need to provide them with everything except the Koreans caster sound. This is a huge clusterfuck at the last minute.
Or have MLG in the game as an observer?
That would require MLG to have someone on the ground in Korea.
Why? Do they play on the "not local battle.net server"? Otherwise all they need is an korean account.
They way SC2 syncs the game for all players/observers, this will cause some lag for players.
I actually prefer korean commentators when I'm watching SPL. Something about it feels right. Maybe it's just the nostalgia from brood war. Staying up until 4:00am to hear plaguuu is something special from my college/HS days.
On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote: I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place.
Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol.
Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point.
It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big.
Here's why I don't believe it. You're not using your clout to move Kespa off kr television. That statement is just a red herring. It's still going to be on kr television. This issue is about an english stream over the internet, not KR television.
Also, MLG Lee tweeted about asking if people wanted an english broadcast of proleague a couple of days ago. That is a hint of what was to come, but your statement makes it sound like this came out of the blue for you. Was MLG Lee a prophet then and could see the future? Otherwise that would be a pretty random thing to tweet about unless he had insider knowledge of the future.
On December 07 2012 03:50 Doodsmack wrote:
On December 07 2012 03:41 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:
On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote: I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place.
The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol.
Exactly, which is why it's the strongest piece of evidence. What has MLG done to lead you to believe money isn't their motivation in everything they do? I have nothing against MLG making money since these leagues aren't charity. Just funny to see some people think MLG's goal isn't to make money. Sounds pretty naive to me.
What about MLG's need to make money leads to an assumption of corruption? All businesses need to make money, but that doesn't lead to the conclusion that decisions which could theoretically be explained by corruption/conspiracy should be interpreted as such.
Where did I say anything about corruption? There's nothing corrupt about what MLG did. It's just a smart business decision for them. The MLG/Kespa relationship is pretty one sided in Kespa's favour right now, but getting to broadcast proleague will go a long way to equalizing their partnership.
I should use the word conspiracy instead of corruption. You're alleging that there was a conspiracy on the part of MLG to push out OGN and get the English broadcast and make it appear as if Kespa's relationship with OGN broke down and then MLG stepped in. Your explicit argument is that MLG stood to make money off a conspiracy therefore the conspiracy occurred.
I think what happened is MLG asked for this a while ago, but Kespa is just slow to make decisions on things and didn't agree to it till recently. Therefore, they just made the decision to do what would come off best pr wise now. There's nothing wrong with MLG broadcasting proleague and if this was announced weeks in advance, then I don't think many would have an issue with it. It would have just been another MLG press release announcing proleague broadcasting and I don't think people would have been up in arms about it at all.
There's a reaction now only because everyone was kept in the dark about the english stream just days out from the first proleague match. Therefore, it's just damage control now because I think Kespa is just slow at making decisions and like to wait till the last minute on some things.
You still are just concocting a conspiracy theory that the "PR damage control" is a lie, without having anything to back your story up. I guess now you've gone from "MLG stood to make money" and "MLG was the mastermind" to "Kespa is slow to make decisions and now its just a bit of PR by MLG". Just realize that guilty until proven innocent attitudes like yours don't do the forums or community any good
No, I just like to use critical thinking instead of believing everything an organization says at face value. MLG adam tweeted about selling people tinfoil hats at MLG. I think he means he wants to sell people common business sense at next MLG.
I like MLG and have always defended them against the haters since I prefer MLG over euro tourneys like DH because they bring the best KRs to events. However, I'm not blind enough to believe everything they say.
Still no evidence or solid reasoning behind your argument lol. There's no critical thinking involved in assumption that big companies are prone to lie to the public in order to cover up their greed.
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