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On December 07 2012 05:09 LiquidFahq wrote:
MLG Still has opportunity to work with Tasteless, Artosis, Wolf, Khaldor etc. English casters in Korea is very viable. Yea, they work for Gom but MLG does not seem shy about partnerships at all, especially with Korea. It is very possible we could see the Proleague casted by the likes of Tastosis which would just be ridiculous! If MLG and Kespa really want to make this Proleague a huge success they should not make it PPV, atleast off the back. A free English and KOrean stream would yield huge excitement and I personally think this is fing awesome and there will be an English cast one way or another so no worries Team Liquiders!
Not gonna happen. MLG and GOM are very sour right now and competing on every front.
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On December 07 2012 05:09 LiquidFahq wrote:
MLG Still has opportunity to work with Tasteless, Artosis, Wolf, Khaldor etc. English casters in Korea is very viable. Yea, they work for Gom but MLG does not seem shy about partnerships at all, especially with Korea. It is very possible we could see the Proleague casted by the likes of Tastosis which would just be ridiculous!
That's the least possible outcome. Tastosis don't even cast GSTL which is in direct PPV competition with Proleague. GOM+IPL and MLG+Kespa have seemed at odds more than once (Rain in MLG/GSL, ESF players in OSL,Kespa players in GSL, Kespa players in IPL). Why would GOM let their most valuable asset with respect to English audiences cast the direct competition?
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On December 07 2012 04:54 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:51 Imagine42 wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. If MLG folks have any spine, any sense of right and wrong, they'd reject any Kespa broadcast offers for streaming now because of the way Kespa's doing business. I doubt that'll be the case as having a Proleague stream and Kespa players at MLG events is quite lucrative, but that doesn't mean one can't hope  Why are you guys assuming KESPA did anything wrong? How does anyone know (myself included) what happened behind closed doors with OGN? There is obviously a long business history there, I would assume something happened behind closed doors. Everything now is just speculation, but I don't think it is right to point fingers.
What does KeSPA have to lose when anyone does an english broadcast? Nothing. They simply set a fee for it and let the one doing it worry about the cost and making his own profit. If that wasnt clear between OGN and KeSPA then maybe its their fault for NOT making it clear a long time ago?
In any case we are living in the time of the INTERNET where local organizations should not be able to dictate the "rest of the world" and their way of treating their players seems a bit restrictive for this age. Opening up new sources of profit should be actively sought after by any company and KeSPA seems to be willing to do the opposite by their heavy handed aproach. Blizzard didnt look that good either when they were trying to bust the korean market after the release of SC2 ... anyone bullying others is going to look bad.
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On December 07 2012 05:09 LiquidFahq wrote:
MLG Still has opportunity to work with Tasteless, Artosis, Wolf, Khaldor etc. English casters in Korea is very viable. Yea, they work for Gom but MLG does not seem shy about partnerships at all, especially with Korea. It is very possible we could see the Proleague casted by the likes of Tastosis which would just be ridiculous! If MLG and Kespa really want to make this Proleague a huge success they should not make it PPV, atleast off the bat. A free English and KOrean stream would yield huge excitement and I personally think this is fing awesome and there will be an English cast one way or another so no worries Team Liquiders!
If you start involving the GOM casters you get on some deep waters.
It would require a lot more then just a partnership.
And if I read the thing with the MLG Champ tournament, KeSPA didn't want it to be PPV but free. (MLGs decision)
Also the time zone is way off for it to work.
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On December 07 2012 05:09 LiquidFahq wrote:
MLG Still has opportunity to work with Tasteless, Artosis, Wolf, Khaldor etc. English casters in Korea is very viable. Yea, they work for Gom but MLG does not seem shy about partnerships at all, especially with Korea. It is very possible we could see the Proleague casted by the likes of Tastosis which would just be ridiculous! If MLG and Kespa really want to make this Proleague a huge success they should not make it PPV, atleast off the bat. A free English and KOrean stream would yield huge excitement and I personally think this is fing awesome and there will be an English cast one way or another so no worries Team Liquiders!
I don't think Tastosis, Wolf and Khaldor would give up their Gom jobs to cast Proleague, and it doesn't seem feasible for them to cast GSL, GSTL and Proleague. In fact, it seems nearly impossible.
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GO MLG I really didn't want to have too stay up till 5 on a regular basis.
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On December 07 2012 04:54 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:51 Imagine42 wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. If MLG folks have any spine, any sense of right and wrong, they'd reject any Kespa broadcast offers for streaming now because of the way Kespa's doing business. I doubt that'll be the case as having a Proleague stream and Kespa players at MLG events is quite lucrative, but that doesn't mean one can't hope Why are you guys assuming KESPA did anything wrong? How does anyone know (myself included) what happened behind closed doors with OGN? There is obviously a long business history there, I would assume something happened behind closed doors. Everything now is just speculation, but I don't think it is right to point fingers.
Eh there's some history regarding that organisation outside of this particular deal as well, let's not pretend any wrong doing would be completely out of the blue. Add to that DOA's take on proceedings and it would be a little strange not to worry about what's going on there.
That said, can't fault MLG for trying to be competitive and stepping in here, as a business it'd naive to think you wouldn't be in it for yourselves first. Still kind of sucks though, I'm sure you can understand the sentiment. Let's hope this works out and you can become a more positive influence on your Korean counterparts, but for now, meh. This could have been done better.
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It just boggles my mind that Kespa invited EG-TL to their league, yet manage to screw up the English broadcast to this extent.
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I thought Blizzard had this thing with SC2 that eSport organization like GOM and KeSPA are required to have an free English stream (think the crappy free 240p stream GOM offers) ??
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On December 07 2012 05:16 ref4 wrote:
I thought Blizzard had this thing with SC2 that eSport organization like GOM and KeSPA are required to have an free English stream (think the crappy free 240p stream GOM offers) ??
Nha you can get past it via giving out VODs of the event 7days after.
At least thats what MLG did.
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On December 07 2012 04:54 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:51 Imagine42 wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. If MLG folks have any spine, any sense of right and wrong, they'd reject any Kespa broadcast offers for streaming now because of the way Kespa's doing business. I doubt that'll be the case as having a Proleague stream and Kespa players at MLG events is quite lucrative, but that doesn't mean one can't hope Why are you guys assuming KESPA did anything wrong? How does anyone know (myself included) what happened behind closed doors with OGN? There is obviously a long business history there, I would assume something happened behind closed doors. Everything now is just speculation, but I don't think it is right to point fingers.
Because of the history of KESPA. I mean, if you need any proof from recent events, just take a look at the entire KESPA/GOM dealie just a few months ago which really only got resolved because ESF/GOM slammed the door in their face.
History does repeat itself.
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if we have to pay to watch it then umm nty
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If MLG does english broadcast then get someone who's been doing PL from TL to cast, please!
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If they do this I really hope they do it live and a rebroadcast after.
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As long as it is not cast from replays, so we can see the atmosphere of the event. I'll be extremely happy to watch.
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I don’t see how this is a bad thing. If i understood correctly they decided not to give the stream licen to ogn. Also from mlg post it seems the ppv modell that was used before on the mlg/proleuge event was because ogn had the licen.
This means ogn one is the one forcing kespa not being able to work with each other. Mlg tweets also seem to suggest MLg,kespa and Eg-Tl want free stream. It seems ogn didn’t want to apply to this term. So its basically looks like ogn want to make money and enforce people to pay for the English stream.
Also if i am not wrong kespa is built up by different sponsors that like EG and team liquid want exposure. Seeing the bad job OGN did last time when they hade the English stream i don’t se why they should get it again and take money for it that goes to them self and not anyone else. So if OGN dont have the english stream then we get it for free and we will se allot of free events with kespa and other companys.
TLDR: Kespa want a free English stream for the foreign viewers and OGN don’t seem to comply with this change and was taken away the license to have the English stream. The reason the mlg event with proleague was a ppv model and not free was because Ogn had the Licen for the English stream. If OGN don’t have the English stream, Kespa is free to work with other companies and stream content for free. How is this a bad thing for us and the sc2 scene ????????????????
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On December 07 2012 05:51 Andrew2658 wrote:
As long as it is not cast from replays, so we can see the atmosphere of the event. I'll be extremely happy to watch. Not just casted live, but casted in-studio. It makes such a huge difference, and I really don't see how MLG can provide.
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On December 07 2012 05:14 schimmetje wrote:
That said, can't fault MLG for trying to be competitive and stepping in here, as a business it'd naive to think you wouldn't be in it for yourselves first. Still kind of sucks though, I'm sure you can understand the sentiment. Let's hope this works out and you can become a more positive influence on your Korean counterparts, but for now, meh. This could have been done better.
They would silly not to try and get the rights to re-stream PL.
It's a great opportunity for MLG if it all works out.
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On December 07 2012 06:00 munchmunch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 05:51 Andrew2658 wrote:
As long as it is not cast from replays, so we can see the atmosphere of the event. I'll be extremely happy to watch. Not just casted live, but casted in-studio. It makes such a huge difference, and I really don't see how MLG can provide.
the dispute seem to be that OGN want a PPV English stream and Kespa wanting a free one. OGN is the one in the wrong in this dispute but doa post is missleding .
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Disappointing if they don't have live english commentary, a re broadcast for US/EU times seems fine and I'm sure you can run a million adds with how long pro league has breaks between games.
This is just so badly organised tt
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