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On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama.
Considering that nearly all the winners of the last years MLG's ARE ESF players its still silly to not include them. And please learn the whole story before you say silly stuff.
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On September 23 2012 02:43 Bigtony wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Not to derail the topic, but you realize that it was the PROLEAGUE players who pulled out of tournaments first right? And use their organization (KESPA) to bully the ESF players...right? Obviously not.
Watch your word choice. You're being an asshole to people who were caught up in a lot of drama that they didn't cause.
The KeSPA players did not "pull out" of anything. KeSPA the organization made the decision to defer participating in GSL for whatever reason. The players wanted to play in GSL, but they couldn't.
The eSF players, meanwhile, *did* choose to pull out of OSL. eSF is entirely players and coaches, and it was Lim Jae Duk who spoke for the organization when they left OSL.
Check your facts before posting please. While the guy you replied to was being sensationalist and unfair, your post was just *wrong*.
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On September 23 2012 11:34 ShiroKaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:43 Bigtony wrote:On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Not to derail the topic, but you realize that it was the PROLEAGUE players who pulled out of tournaments first right? And use their organization (KESPA) to bully the ESF players...right? Obviously not. Watch your word choice. You're being an asshole to people who were caught up in a lot of drama that they didn't cause. The KeSPA players did not "pull out" of anything. KeSPA the organization made the decision to defer participating in GSL for whatever reason. The players wanted to play in GSL, but they couldn't. The eSF players, meanwhile, *did* choose to pull out of OSL. eSF is entirely players and coaches, and it was Lim Jae Duk who spoke for the organization when they left OSL. Check your facts before posting please. While the guy you replied to was being sensationalist and unfair, your post was just *wrong*.
Well, technically Kespa did pull out of the last MLG, which they were scheduled to particpate in... So..
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If it is just KeSPA vs KeSPA and non-KeSPA vs non-KeSPA, then I am definitely not watching, not even if it is free. I mean, I don't mind paying. I paid GOM like hundreds of dollars already, but then for an online tournament in this format? No, just no.
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Seems they kinda missed the point of this. People want to watch the KeSPA players fight the non-KeSPA players, not for the best of each side to be inaccurately determined over a period of weeks and then pitted against each other. Definitely going to hurt sales. It was a wicked idea, but they missed the point of having a tournament like it.
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"Personally i think it's to much right now for me. MLG/Nasl/IPL/Gomtv several different hd/ppv models. For me there is enough great content out there. I would have loved to watch it but im not going to buy it."
I feel the exact same way.
Edit: What the fuck? Its not even Kespa v. Non-Kespa.
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On September 23 2012 12:14 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 11:34 ShiroKaisen wrote:On September 23 2012 02:43 Bigtony wrote:On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Not to derail the topic, but you realize that it was the PROLEAGUE players who pulled out of tournaments first right? And use their organization (KESPA) to bully the ESF players...right? Obviously not. Watch your word choice. You're being an asshole to people who were caught up in a lot of drama that they didn't cause. The KeSPA players did not "pull out" of anything. KeSPA the organization made the decision to defer participating in GSL for whatever reason. The players wanted to play in GSL, but they couldn't. The eSF players, meanwhile, *did* choose to pull out of OSL. eSF is entirely players and coaches, and it was Lim Jae Duk who spoke for the organization when they left OSL. Check your facts before posting please. While the guy you replied to was being sensationalist and unfair, your post was just *wrong*. Well, technically Kespa did pull out of the last MLG, which they were scheduled to particpate in... So..
MLG on the same weekend as the most important Proleague matches of the entire season.
You can't fault anyone for that.
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i don't see by.sun anywhere on that list.
and when the hell did rain leave fnatic to join skt1? i thought kespa and esf had an agreement that they were not allowed to trade players.
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Iran17695 Posts
there are two different Rains. Fnatic Rain (Terran). SKT Rain (Protoss). Different :D
the confusing thing is that there is an ESF Hero and a KESPA Hero, and they're both protoss.
they should have a showmatch where the loser changes his name
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On September 23 2012 13:23 Xeris wrote:
there are two different Rains. Fnatic Rain (Terran). SKT Rain (Protoss). Different :D
the confusing thing is that there is an ESF Hero and a KESPA Hero, and they're both protoss.
they should have a showmatch where the loser changes his name
if liquid hero loses he should change his name to bisu
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On September 23 2012 13:23 Xeris wrote:
there are two different Rains. Fnatic Rain (Terran). SKT Rain (Protoss). Different :D
the confusing thing is that there is an ESF Hero and a KESPA Hero, and they're both protoss.
they should have a showmatch where the loser changes his name
Two KeSPA Heros!
So in a three way, not only should only the winner get to keep his name, but you should also have one of them switch from Protoss to Terran. Spread the love.
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On September 23 2012 09:58 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Considering that nearly all the winners of the last years MLG's ARE ESF players its still silly to not include them. And please learn the whole story before you say silly stuff.
The whole story is that ESF dont keep their word and are blackmailing organizators thats simple fact and you cant deny it. I dont care what happen in bw we are in sc2 now and those are two different things and the only one who is acting non-professional is ESF. I will never forget what they did to NASL and you should not defending them because what they did was wrong and it will only encourage them to do it again and again and again.
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On September 23 2012 13:26 from_under wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 13:23 Xeris wrote:
there are two different Rains. Fnatic Rain (Terran). SKT Rain (Protoss). Different :D
the confusing thing is that there is an ESF Hero and a KESPA Hero, and they're both protoss.
they should have a showmatch where the loser changes his name if liquid hero loses he should change his name to bisu
no way....go with snake.....come on we need a liquid snake
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On September 23 2012 13:06 ShiroKaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 12:14 snafoo wrote:On September 23 2012 11:34 ShiroKaisen wrote:On September 23 2012 02:43 Bigtony wrote:On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Not to derail the topic, but you realize that it was the PROLEAGUE players who pulled out of tournaments first right? And use their organization (KESPA) to bully the ESF players...right? Obviously not. Watch your word choice. You're being an asshole to people who were caught up in a lot of drama that they didn't cause. The KeSPA players did not "pull out" of anything. KeSPA the organization made the decision to defer participating in GSL for whatever reason. The players wanted to play in GSL, but they couldn't. The eSF players, meanwhile, *did* choose to pull out of OSL. eSF is entirely players and coaches, and it was Lim Jae Duk who spoke for the organization when they left OSL. Check your facts before posting please. While the guy you replied to was being sensationalist and unfair, your post was just *wrong*. Well, technically Kespa did pull out of the last MLG, which they were scheduled to particpate in... So.. MLG on the same weekend as the most important Proleague matches of the entire season. You can't fault anyone for that.
Schedules are determined months and months in advance, yes you can.
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I would pay even more for this. I can't get enough of Axslav Analysis.
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I think it might be worth the 10$, would like a free low quality live stream to check it out first though...
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On September 23 2012 11:34 ShiroKaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:43 Bigtony wrote:On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Not to derail the topic, but you realize that it was the PROLEAGUE players who pulled out of tournaments first right? And use their organization (KESPA) to bully the ESF players...right? Obviously not. Watch your word choice. You're being an asshole to people who were caught up in a lot of drama that they didn't cause. The KeSPA players did not "pull out" of anything. KeSPA the organization made the decision to defer participating in GSL for whatever reason. The players wanted to play in GSL, but they couldn't. The eSF players, meanwhile, *did* choose to pull out of OSL. eSF is entirely players and coaches, and it was Lim Jae Duk who spoke for the organization when they left OSL. Check your facts before posting please. While the guy you replied to was being sensationalist and unfair, your post was just *wrong*.
So eSF did the kespa players a favor by threatning to pull out of OSL. Kespa players were being fucked by their own organization so eSF stepped in and fixed it. Now kespa players can play in GSL. Your welcome!
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Do we know which server games are going to be played on? or both?
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On September 23 2012 15:05 Michaels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 09:58 Assirra wrote:On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Considering that nearly all the winners of the last years MLG's ARE ESF players its still silly to not include them. And please learn the whole story before you say silly stuff. The whole story is that ESF dont keep their word and are blackmailing organizators thats simple fact and you cant deny it. I dont care what happen in bw we are in sc2 now and those are two different things and the only one who is acting non-professional is ESF. I will never forget what they did to NASL and you should not defending them because what they did was wrong and it will only encourage them to do it again and again and again.
Kespa didn't keep their word so the eSF players decided not to play in OSL. They stood up to kespa and won, that's never been done before. They also helped GomTv. SC2 will be bad if kespa has a monopoly over it. What happened was great for the scene. Also they won one for the KeSPA players who wanted to play in GSL but their doucher organization said no
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