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The MvP (MLG vs. Proleague) Invitational broadcast kicks off Thursday, September 27 at 7pm ET at www.majorleaguegaming.com. 48 of the world’s best StarCraft II players including the top 24 ranked StarCraft II players in KeSPA’s Proleague, 12 players from North America, six players from Europe (EU) and six players from Korea /Taiwan, will compete for a chance at $10,000 in prizes, as well as eight coveted spots in Group Play and an all-expenses paid trip to compete at the MLG Fall Championship in Dallas, Texas, from November 2-4. How to Watch: To watch, purchase your pass now to access five weeks of insane competition in up to 1080p, hosted, commentated and analyzed by Nick “Axslav” Ranish and Alex “Axeltoss” Rodriguez. Plus, you will get exclusive access to VOD. MvP Invitational Broadcast Schedule: Schedule is subject to change Most MvP content airs on Monday and Fridays at 7pm ET, with a few extra broadcasts airing over the next five weeks. You must purchase a pass to watch and access VOD. Match ups will be announced each day at www.majorleaguegaming.com REGULAR SEASON: Thursday, Sept 27 Friday, Sept 28 Monday, Oct 1 Friday, Oct 5 Monday, Oct 8 Friday, Oct 12 Monday, Oct 15 PLAYOFFS: Friday, Oct 19 – Round 1 – Europe & Korea/Taiwan Saturday, Oct 20 – Round 1 – Proleague Day 1 Sunday, Oct 21 – Round 1 – Proleague Day 2 Monday, Oct 22 – Round 1 – North America Tuesday, Oct 23 – Quarterfinals – Proleague Thursday, Oct 25 – Quarterfinals – NA vs. NA & EU vs. KT Friday, Oct 26 – Semifinals – PL vs. PL & NA vs. EU/KT Monday, Oct 29 – Final – MLG Finalist vs. Proleague Finalist The MvP Invitational Players Pro League Players TEAM NAME ID CJ ENTUS Kim Jung Woo Effort CJ ENTUS Kim Jun Ho hero CJ ENTUS Jo Byeng Se skyhigh KT Rolster Kim Dae Yeob Stats KT Rolster Kim Sung Dae Action KT Rolster Lee Young Ho Flash KT Rolster Lim Jeong Hyun Crazy-Hydra SK telecom T1 Kim Taek Yong Bisu SK telecom T1 Eo Yun Su soo SK telecom T1 Jung Myung Hun fantasy SK telecom T1 Jung Yoon Jong Rain STX SOUL Kim Do Woo Classic STX SOUL Kim Seong Hyun Last STX SOUL Shin Dae Keun hyvaa STX SOUL Cho Seong Ho Trap 8th TEAM Kim Jae Hoon jaehoon 8th TEAM Lee Jae Dong JD 8th TEAM Jeon Tae Yang ty SAMSUNG KHAN Song Byug Gu stork SAMSUNG KHAN Shin No Youl roro SAMSUNG KHAN Heo Young Moo jangbi Woongjin Stars Kim Min Chul soulkey Woongjin Stars Kim You Jin sos Woongjin Stars Lee Jae Ho Light MLG Players North America Europe Korea/Taiwan Huk Naniwa Alicia Idra Stephano MC Select Sockeh Puma Sheth Grubby Alive Sasquatch Ret Oz Illusion Thorzain Crank KawaiiRice Hawk Caliber Scarlett Vibe Major
That is the Quote that confirms ppv. Its going to be 10$.
How to Watch:
To watch, purchase your pass now to access five weeks of insane competition in up to 1080p, hosted, commentated and analyzed by Nick “Axslav” Ranish and Alex “Axeltoss” Rodriguez. Plus, you will get exclusive access to VOD.
Personally i think it's to much right now for me. MLG/Nasl/IPL/Gomtv several different hd/ppv models. For me there is enough great content out there. I would have loved to watch it but im not going to buy it.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mvp-broadcast-schedule/
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Well, it doesn't say that there will not be a free stream but it doesn't mention a free stream either. I would be really surprised if they charge PPV-only for an online tournament.
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Does anyone know if you can watch this at 480p? or are you required to pay 10 dollars just to watch anything, because if thats the case then I just wont watch this, 10 dollars for online play with Axeltoss casting whom I have only had poor experiences with.
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I have no problems paying for MLG championships or arena's, but I'm not paying for an online tournament, especially if its hosted on twitch.
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So sad for KeSPA players. They would have better stage to prove themselves other than this kind of show matches. These kind of show tournament is basically, shows... Wish they would be able to participate in real tournament soon^TM.
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I saw a lot of tweets from Xeris/Kawaii to MLG saying that they didn't get a schedule and missed a day or two of competition or something.
@MLGSundance @MLGJason @MLGLee what is going on with the mlg vs proleague invitational? does it exist anymore? day 2 no reply
@MLGJason what's going on with the invitational?
I don't have much expectations for this event.
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Wait is this a LAN event or an online event?
I was pretty sure this was supposed to be a LAN event right?
PPV only?So there won't be any free stream i presume?
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On September 22 2012 01:21 FakeDeath wrote:
Wait is this a LAN event or an online event?
I was wondering the same, i always thought it was a LAN event but now people are talking about it being an online tourney.
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Please stick to the 3 day fun fest weekend tournaments MLG, PLEASE.
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even if i wanted to pay, i dont have e-money.
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An online tournament with ok-but-not-amazing casting and random, biased invitations instead of qualifiers.... and it's the same price as the old arenas?
Also, if I'm reading this right the different regions will be in different brackets? So the Kespa players will just be playing each other until the final? Doesn't that sort of defeat the whole point of the tournament?
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Man im thorn about this, i would like to pay if only to support Axslav but, its online there is going to be some shitty game cause of lag, players will be play at weird hour so they might not be at their best or its going to be cast from replays and both option are not.. ideal.
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I'll pay for it. I whore myself out to MLG content =(. And to see these bw guys... all I ask is... Will there be first person povs? =O
edit: I'm dumb... online won't have a good FPV =( I'll still buy it though.
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I'm a student, have mercy, I can only afford to have the internet :s
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saying it's not worth 10 dollars is imo pretty stupid some of these matches are going to be insane and its 5 weeks worth of content for only the price of a pizza
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Dont think so ... you ar not GSL ... so give the hell up
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Belgica34432 Posts
So, are they replacing an offline arena championship, which is free to watch, with an online tournament which is 10 dollar? what's the logic behind this?
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On September 22 2012 01:38 MisterTea wrote:
saying it's not worth 10 dollars is imo pretty stupid some of these matches are going to be insane and its 5 weeks worth of content for only the price of a pizza
Well a lot of people would want to watch it LIVE!!!!!!
Seeing it is an online tournament and the game will most probably be played from a replay which kinda kills the excitement.
But before that,can anyone confirm is this LAN or online?
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On September 22 2012 01:38 MisterTea wrote:
saying it's not worth 10 dollars is imo pretty stupid some of these matches are going to be insane and its 5 weeks worth of content for only the price of a pizza
It's not that It's not worth 10 dollars It's that when we compare it to say a GSL ticket which is 15 dollars for one season, 6-8 weeks of matches in code a/s/updowns and every match is live in the GSL studio with great production. This seems unappealing in comparison.
Some people ( like me ) already pay for sc2/esports content and not everyone has an infinite entertainment budget.
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Axeltoss, Axslav and prologue guys. I'm really starting to hate that I'm poor.
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Not particularly interested in this, especially with a price tag. It'll be interesting to see if this becomes a regular thing like arenas have.
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It was supposed to start this week, but we received no communication from MLG. Would have appreciated at least an email or something saying it was postponed to next week so my guys wouldn't have to sit around for 2 hours waiting just in case.
Nonetheless :
a) this should be a great event
b) interested to see how the ppv numbers look
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Bound to be a roflstomp for KeSPA imo.
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I have paid a lot more for GSL and that didn't feature many players that I cared about. I'm willing to dive into this one for $10.
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Oh man arena now this, was really looking forward to it but poor. $10 is a week of food for me.
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So this is going to be almost entirely Kespa vs Kespa/NA vs NA/EU vs EU matches, aside from the semifinals on? Bleh, that just killed my interest in watching. What a screwy format.
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Time to brush up on my Russian.
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On September 22 2012 01:55 vol_ wrote:
Oh man arena now this, was really looking forward to it but poor. $10 is a week of food for me.
I have eaten rammen for a week just to go on a date with a girl. At least with this you know you are getting something when you pay.
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Eh, MLG and their PPVs. Even if it was 0.01$ I won't buy it, because I don't believe that PPV is a good model at all 
Also... It's a bunch of KeSPA players that will roflstomp the foreigners in no time, not much to watch actually.
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Why'd you have to call it MvP ;_; Poor people who have to deal with these names
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On September 22 2012 02:13 marttorn wrote:
Why'd you have to call it MvP ;_; Poor people who have to deal with these names
Calling it MvP is entirely misleading as well since we will have most of time Kespa vs Kespa/ MLG vs MLG rather then what the name actually saids MLG vs Kespa.
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On September 22 2012 01:42 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:38 MisterTea wrote:
saying it's not worth 10 dollars is imo pretty stupid some of these matches are going to be insane and its 5 weeks worth of content for only the price of a pizza It's not that It's not worth 10 dollars It's that when we compare it to say a GSL ticket which is 15 dollars for one season, 6-8 weeks of matches in code a/s/updowns and every match is live in the GSL studio with great production. This seems unappealing in comparison. Some people ( like me ) already pay for sc2/esports content and not everyone has an infinite entertainment budget.
Yah exactly.. I already paid for MLG gold, NASLs4, and IPL. Now I have to pay even more to MLG, on top of the arenas, for online only content? I am disappoint 
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On September 22 2012 02:20 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 02:13 marttorn wrote:
Why'd you have to call it MvP ;_; Poor people who have to deal with these names Calling it MvP is entirely misleading as well since we will have most of time Kespa vs Kespa/ MLG vs MLG rather then what the name actually saids MLG vs Kespa.
This is clearly a stunt used to prevent Kespa from meeting foreigners till the finals.
We all know if Kespa vs foreigners from the get-go.
Kespa will stomp.
* Sigh *.
Seems like we won't get any Kespa vs foreigner until very late which is kinda bad.
I concur with you.
Calling it MvP when 85% of the tournament is Kespa vs Kespa and foreigners vs foreigners is so misleading.
If you look at the schedule, you can see that they are trying their best to make NA player go as far as possible.
NA vs NA and EU vs KT(Korea/Taiwan)
Why not make it like this.
NA vs EU and NA vs KT
We get better variety.
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United States15275 Posts
The artificiality of the tournament bugs me. Half of the competition are KeSPA players being invited according to an arbitrary player limit, and clearly Korea/Taiwan participation is being limited in hopes that the competition appeals to the foreign scene. It's just not my cup of tea.
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paying for online tournament.....never...
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Such garbage. Might as well make it a kespa only tournament, who wants to watch to pay to watch shit tier NA players get rolled by euros?
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Wait...so in the playoffs, proleague and mlg dont play each other until the finals. Does that mean Kespa doesnt play mlg players at all though the regular season as well? O_o
That would be really weird, to only have one series between pro-league and MLG...
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On September 22 2012 03:16 Takasu wrote:
Wait...so in the playoffs, proleague and mlg dont play each other until the finals. Does that mean Kespa doesnt play mlg players at all though the regular season as well? O_o
That would be really weird, to only have one series between pro-league and MLG...
Yeah totally agree. More info would be helpful. On the fence on whether to purchase it right now. Though this probably means Scarlett gets free money again because she only has to run through NA until the semis :D.
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I'm buying it for the VOD's if nothing else. Ten bucks for some high quality PL stuff is fine with me.
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so 10 dollars to watch foreigners get stomped?
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I thought MLG gave up this shit? PPV again?
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On September 22 2012 01:21 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:21 FakeDeath wrote:
Wait is this a LAN event or an online event?
I was wondering the same, i always thought it was a LAN event but now people are talking about it being an online tourney.
It cannot be a LAN considering it has Stephano and all these KESPA players and various American-based players
too. A LAN would require them all agreeing to travel to some venue to compete. We would have known by now where this venue was. So it has to be online.
I am looking forward to the Groups being released.
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Ah bloody hell...
I've never done PPV for a SC2 event, but I'm dying to see the Kespa players.
A couple of questions I have first though:
1. Will the games be casted from replays?
2. Will the casters be in the same place while casting? I really dislike the obstacles that come with casting from replays when the casters aren't sitting side by side. (alla TSL)
3. Have Axslav and Axeltoss casted together before? Bad synergy between casters can really be a HUGE detriment to an event + Show Spoiler +(I won't name names, but I think most people know what I'm talking about here).
The only other reservation I have is that I'm kind of a caster snob. Since I haven't really had a chance to watch Axslav or Axeltoss casting, I don't know if I want to pay for it. Bad casting (it just has to be bad imo**) really ruins an event for me personally. I guess I might have to try to find some of their more recent casts and see.
Either way, its a sick sick player list. GL
Edit: Wait... wat???? There's guaranteed to be no cross-regional matches until later in the tournament? That's so crazy.... Why not just randomly group all of the players together? That is incredibly unfair because, lets be honest, EU and KR as a whole are stronger regionally = harder road to the finals. You can definitely count me out simply because of the forced Proleague vs Proleague and guaranteeing a NA player enters the quarterfinals.
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On September 22 2012 07:05 ref4 wrote:
so 10 dollars to watch foreigners get stomped?
Don't count out the foreigners entirely. Rain is by far the biggest of the bunch and probably the only one we know for sure will deliver Code-S level play, and even then he's still mortal and can potentially lose to outliers like Stephano, however unlikely. Not to mention the fact that most people will know what he's capable of and what he goes for. I'm willing to bet a lot of people were caught very off guard by his play. Not that I think he would've ended up losing in the end, but it was still a pretty major factor in his victories.
As for the rest, I'd say both sides will have one-sided matches, with the Koreans pulling around a 60-70% win rate overall. They're good, but so are we.
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Considering it was a special event to begin with. It was safe to assume this would be a PPV.
Online PPVs though, meh. ;/ I don't really like the format either, but considering they have to do it online it sort of makes sense. Their only selling point is the KeSPA players, but they're still going to play against one another until it counts.
I wonder how their buy rate is going to go, lol.
This isn't really a good measuring stick of anything either.
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online event and players not flown around...i find it hard to justify paying 10 dollars for this.
the greed indeed!
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if there is no free stream to watch jaedong i will be a sad rainbow sheep
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On September 22 2012 07:26 MigzR wrote:
The greed..
Yeah! Everything should be free, right? Rainbows and unicorns and...shit.
Looks good to me. I think I'll be buying a pass.
It's MLG tournament so production should be great. Great player lineup. I hope that Axeltoss and Axslav work well together since I haven't really had the chance to watch them casting that much. Maybe MLG will give us a chance to watch first match free or something to check it out.
Pretty cool...
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I go from being insanely excited to laughing at MLG when I heard about the paywall. Dreamhack and IEM shell out much better products and they're free. No thanks.
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On September 22 2012 07:47 xrapture wrote:
I go from being insanely excited to laughing at MLG when I heard about the paywall. Dreamhack and IEM shell out much better products and they're free. No thanks.
great comparison... considering MLG already gives their big tournaments that happens on one weekend free streams...
10 dollars for this pass is actually pretty good for weekly content.
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Such a shame that it's PPV, after listening to the confrence today they had a good point that it's too early to do PPV for starcraft. There'll probably be something else to watch anyway.
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I thought the PPV thingy was off the table. *sigh*
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the PPV model worked so well that they didn't have to use it so that they could use it
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meh, i got no problems with the PPV part, but if you are going to feature BW progamers the worst possible way is to do it with online cross-sea competition, just so meh, it will put an asterisk next to the event because every game will be questioned with "latency" or "not offline so doesn't matter"
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On September 22 2012 01:38 MisterTea wrote:
saying it's not worth 10 dollars is imo pretty stupid some of these matches are going to be insane and its 5 weeks worth of content for only the price of a pizza
I can't afford 2 pizzas, and I'm not gonna give up the pizza to watch some sc2 with an empty stomach.
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lol ppv with it rigged to prevent a lot of kespa vs mlg, wont be buying this thank you.
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Cool idea. I don't think many people will watch it because of the PPV though.
Will it be made clear which server the games are being played on at the start of every individual game? I know that in the past some leagues have switched servers between games.
Latency can have a massive impact on the games.
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are the players invited just purely invited or based on some MLG point system. are the matches played live? what server would they be played on?
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I wouldve bought it if the brackets didnt seem to be set up to prevent lesser kespa players gettin blown out by top foreigners or to prevent an all korean final etc. Earlier matches of foreigners vs top koreans/kespa players wouldve been more exciting to buy the 10 dollar package imo
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Sry, this is not a product im willing to buy. Will be interesting to see the results, and im sure it would be nice to watch a few games but this isnt something i would fit into my daily quality time, when i already follow GSL very closely. But hope it turns out good for you guys who are stoked about this.
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Wow, icky format. The only Kespa vs. Non-Kespa match is the final?
So much for it being MLG vs. Proleague...
EDIT: Also if it's online why on earth is there a large portion of americans? It's completely unjustifiable given that europe has a larger population, more pro-gamers, and better pro-gamers.
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I wonder if anyone print screened WCS Europe when some guy in the crowd was holding up a sign saying "Dreamhack > MLG". That would be appropriate right about now.;
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On September 22 2012 09:50 MCXD wrote:
Wow, icky format. The only Kespa vs. Non-Kespa match is the final?
So much for it being MLG vs. Proleague...
EDIT: Also if it's online why on earth is there a large portion of americans? It's completely unjustifiable given that europe has a larger population, more pro-gamers, and better pro-gamers.
The funniest part in the format is when european players are opposed to korean players while NA players are opposed to... NA players.
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From what I understood NA players play every KeSPA player, and our results are stacked up to each other to determine playoff seeding (set amount of NA player seeding into playoff)
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Dunno how willing I am to pay for this. I can turn on NASL and see good matches, I can turn on IPL and see good matches. While I would be really excited to watch this. I just don't think I will buy it, theres plenty of "online content" for free to watch. But with that said, I did buy Arena #1 HD pass PPV pass and loved it. I loved the spring season that followed, i paid $20 for that pass and got 3 events in HD i loved it. I really would love to see them sell HD pass by season instead of indvidual event.
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ugh another go at ppv mlg? was really looking forward to this but ill pass once again on ur product
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On September 22 2012 02:11 Pr0wler wrote:Eh, MLG and their PPVs. Even if it was 0.01$ I won't buy it, because I don't believe that PPV is a good model at all Also... It's a bunch of KeSPA players that will roflstomp the foreigners in no time, not much to watch actually.
Exactly my thoughts. I pay for plenty of HD streams for tournaments, but I will never support a pure PPV format. Free stream and higher quality pay stream for those who can afford it is the way to go to grow the sport. MLG disappoints me time and time again.
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So Kespa vs Kespa until the finals, not as interesting as it originally sounded.
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On September 22 2012 12:15 BathTubNZ wrote:
So Kespa vs Kespa until the finals, not as interesting as it originally sounded.
Yup agreed. Oh well guess I won't watch even though I'll miss jaedong playing TT.
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On September 22 2012 12:15 BathTubNZ wrote:
So Kespa vs Kespa until the finals, not as interesting as it originally sounded.
oh wow its kespa vs kespa and foreigners and gom vs foreigners and gom? wtf thats even less interesting
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I hope this is good, I don't mind PPV and $10 isn't much but for online cross server play(most Kespa player's have probably never played cross server) I think this might not be as amazing as it could be.
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On September 22 2012 12:15 Kettchup wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 02:11 Pr0wler wrote:Eh, MLG and their PPVs. Even if it was 0.01$ I won't buy it, because I don't believe that PPV is a good model at all Also... It's a bunch of KeSPA players that will roflstomp the foreigners in no time, not much to watch actually. Exactly my thoughts. I pay for plenty of HD streams for tournaments, but I will never support a pure PPV format. Free stream and higher quality pay stream for those who can afford it is the way to go to grow the sport. MLG disappoints me time and time again.
True.
Personally, i believed this is also the way to go.
Free stream for the lower quality
Higher stream(720p,1080p) for those who can pay.
A lot of tournaments do this but why is MLG only going for full PPV format?
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On September 22 2012 10:08 KawaiiRice wrote:
From what I understood NA players play every KeSPA player, and our results are stacked up to each other to determine playoff seeding (set amount of NA player seeding into playoff)
If this is right, then the format is not as bad as we thought. This would mean tons of MLG vs KeSPA games (besides the first few rounds of playoffs). Even though I am not a fan of PPV, I might put in 10 bucks for it just because its KeSPA vs foreigners.
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Ayyye ayee yeeee! Between MLG and OGN my SC2 budget is blowin' up!
Sad to say I can't resist watching KESPA players though, especially after Rain and Flash's recent performances in OSL and GSL.
Wait wait wait time out! Where are you guys finding the "rigged" brackets and format info, Liquidpedia says none of that has been announced yet?!?!?
AND IF IT IS TRUE, FUCK KESPA if they aren't man enough to play a straight up tournament. MLG this also shines a bad light on you as well for allowing KESPA to continue to promulgate this bullshit. Next thing we know they are gonna fire DOA and Moletrap and shutdown the English stream.
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I think something got confused in the writeup here
"Should you accept your invitation, you will be scheduled to play 24 Matches, each against a different Proleague Player"
Is what it said for us
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On September 22 2012 12:56 Chriscras wrote:
Ayyye ayee yeeee! Between MLG and OGN my SC2 budget is blowin' up!
Sad to say I can't resist watching KESPA players though, especially after Rain and Flash's recent performances in OSL and GSL.
Wait wait wait time out! Where are you guys finding the "rigged" brackets and format info, Liquidpedia says none of that has been announced yet?!?!?
AND IF IT IS TRUE, FUCK KESPA if they aren't man enough to play a straight up tournament. MLG this also shines a bad light on you as well for allowing KESPA to continue to promulgate this bullshit. Next thing we know they are gonna fire DOA and Moletrap and shutdown the English stream.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mvp-broadcast-schedule/
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On September 22 2012 13:31 BathTubNZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 12:56 Chriscras wrote:
Ayyye ayee yeeee! Between MLG and OGN my SC2 budget is blowin' up!
Sad to say I can't resist watching KESPA players though, especially after Rain and Flash's recent performances in OSL and GSL.
Wait wait wait time out! Where are you guys finding the "rigged" brackets and format info, Liquidpedia says none of that has been announced yet?!?!?
AND IF IT IS TRUE, FUCK KESPA if they aren't man enough to play a straight up tournament. MLG this also shines a bad light on you as well for allowing KESPA to continue to promulgate this bullshit. Next thing we know they are gonna fire DOA and Moletrap and shutdown the English stream. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mvp-broadcast-schedule/
Thanks for reposting the OP O.o
I think Scarlett's post shows there is a lot of information we don't know yet about this Tournament. That being said I'm not putting my $10 down until MLG clears all this up.
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Secondary casters and PPV? Doesn't sound very appealing
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Didnt we just say we dont want to use this PPV system? Their numbers last time was shit, and the BW players wont fix it.
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Yea not going to pay not going to watch but will pay attention to results
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Kespa is obv terrified of having its players stomped by the fulltime SC2 players... I don't think I'll be getting this either. Unless they randomly seed the players either into brackets or groups, so we really get to see Kespa vs MLG each time we tune in.
Nope.
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So an online PPV tournament? I thought this was going to be a LAN of some sorts. And on top of that, we won't even get to see Kespa vs foreigner until the end? I was pretty excited to begin with, but I think I just might pass on this one. There's already enough online content out there, and almost all of it is free. Even NASL and GOM have free options, and they provide a lot more content than this seems to do.
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weird move by MLG. can't see many people buying this pass.
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United States33416 Posts
Korean community is wondering what's up with the lack of Esports federation players? You know, MKP, DRG, guys who placed top at a lot of tournaments this year.
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PPV for an online tourny is a hilarious concept to me. Whose going to pay to see kespa players discover latency? Its gonna be TSL3 all over again.
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On September 22 2012 17:07 Waxangel wrote:
Korean community is wondering what's up with the lack of Esports federation players? You know, MKP, DRG, guys who placed top at a lot of tournaments this year.
We all know what's up with that......
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KawaiiRice
Hawk
Caliber
really? these guys over some more koreans? i know its american turnement but cmon.....
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Im glad to see MLG is supporting NA scene. When NA dies then SC2 dies aswell because EU and KR scenes sux.
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People need to think about how much money you would spend if you go out instead of staying and watching sc2. Would cost you soooooooooooooo much more than 10 bucks lol
Think about how much people pay for UFC for a few hours show....
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On September 22 2012 17:34 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 17:07 Waxangel wrote:
Korean community is wondering what's up with the lack of Esports federation players? You know, MKP, DRG, guys who placed top at a lot of tournaments this year. We all know what's up with that......
I have a dream that one day this community will rise up and demand equal treatment for equal pro players.
I have a dream that one day the league of Global Starcraft 2 and the Starleague of Ongamenet will be able to sit down together at the table of Esports.
I have a dream that one day even the organization of KESPA, an organization sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of good games and fair play.
This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to MLG with. This will be the day when all professional Starcraft players will be able to play with a new meaning:
"Our game, 'tis of thee, sweet Wings of Liberty, of thee I sing. Land where Brood War died, land of the Terran pride, from every tourney bracket, let good games ring."
And when this happens, when we allow good games to ring, when we let them ring from every tournament and every show match, from every series and every league, we will be able to speed up that day when all pro SC2 players -- Koreans and Foreigners, KESPA and ESF, Teamliquid and EG -- will be able to join hands and sing in the words of that old gaming spirit:
"Good luck have fun! Good luck have fun! Good game well played! Good luck have fun!"
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I asked MLG and they said the tournament begins with a Round Robin seeding round. Don't know why people are freaking out about a bracket, when to my knowledge, it has not yet been released.
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On September 22 2012 17:54 Chriscras wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 17:34 Diamond wrote:On September 22 2012 17:07 Waxangel wrote:
Korean community is wondering what's up with the lack of Esports federation players? You know, MKP, DRG, guys who placed top at a lot of tournaments this year. We all know what's up with that...... I have a dream that one day this community will rise up and demand equal treatment for equal pro players. I have a dream that one day the league of Global Starcraft 2 and the Starleague of Ongamenet will be able to sit down together at the table of Esports. I have a dream that one day even the organization of KESPA, an organization sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of good games and fair play. This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to MLG with. This will be the day when all professional Starcraft players will be able to play with a new meaning: "Our game, 'tis of thee, sweet Wings of Liberty, of thee I sing. Land where Brood War died, land of the Terran pride, from every tourney bracket, let good games ring." And when this happens, when we allow good games to ring, when we let them ring from every tournament and every show match, from every series and every league, we will be able to speed up that day when all pro SC2 players -- Koreans and Foreigners, KESPA and ESF, Teamliquid and EG -- will be able to join hands and sing in the words of that old gaming spirit: "Good luck have fun! Good luck have fun! Good game well played! Good luck have fun!"
I shed one tear for that. Nice job.
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On September 22 2012 01:38 MisterTea wrote:
saying it's not worth 10 dollars is imo pretty stupid some of these matches are going to be insane and its 5 weeks worth of content for only the price of a pizza
Some people are Students and do not have a ton of money. MLG needs to take a closer look at their target group.
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Hahaha the lack of DRG and MKP is hilarious. And I need to remind Fnatic that they should join ESF.
Ups sorry for double post, Im om my Phone.
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PPV for this? Sorry, not worth it for me.
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On September 22 2012 20:25 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:38 MisterTea wrote:
saying it's not worth 10 dollars is imo pretty stupid some of these matches are going to be insane and its 5 weeks worth of content for only the price of a pizza Some people are Students and do not have a ton of money. MLG needs to take a closer look at their target group.
The thing is... usually business targets people with money...
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On September 22 2012 07:26 MigzR wrote:
The greed..
Lets double proxy rax bunker rush their face.
On September 22 2012 20:44 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 20:25 Aunvilgod wrote:On September 22 2012 01:38 MisterTea wrote:
saying it's not worth 10 dollars is imo pretty stupid some of these matches are going to be insane and its 5 weeks worth of content for only the price of a pizza Some people are Students and do not have a ton of money. MLG needs to take a closer look at their target group. The thing is... usually business targets people with money...
Then MLG has a fundamental problem. Which was the reason to abandon PPV in the first place.
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On September 22 2012 17:46 Michaels wrote:
Im glad to see MLG is supporting NA scene. When NA dies then SC2 dies aswell because EU and KR scenes sux.
uh.... riiiight...
this is the strangest move in a series of strange moves by MLG imo. you're gonna make an online tournament with a pretty bad player distribution and not the very best casters (i love Axslav though) PPV only? really?
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Nice! thanks for the info
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On September 22 2012 01:13 Derez wrote:
I have no problems paying for MLG championships or arena's, but I'm not paying for an online tournament, especially if its hosted on twitch.
I'm in the same boat, except I'm willing to pay to watch great players, even if its an online tournament. But the 'paying for twitch, aka lag.tv', I'm not open to, untill they fix their god damn routing in Europe.
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Ehh... ppv and the elephants/dishwashers aren't even intermingled? Just finalist v finalist? I'll skip this one.
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On September 23 2012 01:15 tribulator wrote:
Ehh... ppv and the elephants/dishwashers aren't even intermingled? Just finalist v finalist? I'll skip this one.
The real dishwashers are not even there haha.
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Wait this format actually makes no sense. Why have this when there is a maximum of one Kespa vs non Kespa match?
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I don't mind paying for the arena, because there're still live event. But 10$ for an online tournament ? No thanks ...
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On September 22 2012 17:07 Waxangel wrote:
Korean community is wondering what's up with the lack of Esports federation players? You know, MKP, DRG, guys who placed top at a lot of tournaments this year.
Alienated....?
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On September 22 2012 01:42 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:38 MisterTea wrote:
saying it's not worth 10 dollars is imo pretty stupid some of these matches are going to be insane and its 5 weeks worth of content for only the price of a pizza It's not that It's not worth 10 dollars It's that when we compare it to say a GSL ticket which is 15 dollars for one season, 6-8 weeks of matches in code a/s/updowns and every match is live in the GSL studio with great production. This seems unappealing in comparison. Some people ( like me ) already pay for sc2/esports content and not everyone has an infinite entertainment budget.
its all good man, at least its better than their 20$ for a weekend 'deal'
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United States23455 Posts
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition
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On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition
Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama.
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On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama.
Not to derail the topic, but you realize that it was the PROLEAGUE players who pulled out of tournaments first right? And use their organization (KESPA) to bully the ESF players...right? Obviously not.
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There's already way too many FREE tournies to watch that I can't keep up. No way I'm going to ever pay to watch a sc2 tournament.
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On September 23 2012 01:53 Dexington wrote:
Wait this format actually makes no sense. Why have this when there is a maximum of one Kespa vs non Kespa match?
I think that in the 'Regular Season' part there will be mixed matchups. And then the playoffs select the best by 'category' based on results in the Regular Season. That's my understanding based on the OP article.
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no thanks. I'd rather watch IPL，NASL
dont like kespa, and not gonna support them.
GOMTV fighting~
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I honestly wouldn't even watch this if it was free, sounds pretty boring to me.
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How on eartth were the MLG players chosen? Did they just choose the top from Raleigh and just kept going down if people decline...
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On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama.
Considering that nearly all the winners of the last years MLG's ARE ESF players its still silly to not include them. And please learn the whole story before you say silly stuff.
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On September 23 2012 02:43 Bigtony wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Not to derail the topic, but you realize that it was the PROLEAGUE players who pulled out of tournaments first right? And use their organization (KESPA) to bully the ESF players...right? Obviously not.
Watch your word choice. You're being an asshole to people who were caught up in a lot of drama that they didn't cause.
The KeSPA players did not "pull out" of anything. KeSPA the organization made the decision to defer participating in GSL for whatever reason. The players wanted to play in GSL, but they couldn't.
The eSF players, meanwhile, *did* choose to pull out of OSL. eSF is entirely players and coaches, and it was Lim Jae Duk who spoke for the organization when they left OSL.
Check your facts before posting please. While the guy you replied to was being sensationalist and unfair, your post was just *wrong*.
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On September 23 2012 11:34 ShiroKaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:43 Bigtony wrote:On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Not to derail the topic, but you realize that it was the PROLEAGUE players who pulled out of tournaments first right? And use their organization (KESPA) to bully the ESF players...right? Obviously not. Watch your word choice. You're being an asshole to people who were caught up in a lot of drama that they didn't cause. The KeSPA players did not "pull out" of anything. KeSPA the organization made the decision to defer participating in GSL for whatever reason. The players wanted to play in GSL, but they couldn't. The eSF players, meanwhile, *did* choose to pull out of OSL. eSF is entirely players and coaches, and it was Lim Jae Duk who spoke for the organization when they left OSL. Check your facts before posting please. While the guy you replied to was being sensationalist and unfair, your post was just *wrong*.
Well, technically Kespa did pull out of the last MLG, which they were scheduled to particpate in... So..
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If it is just KeSPA vs KeSPA and non-KeSPA vs non-KeSPA, then I am definitely not watching, not even if it is free. I mean, I don't mind paying. I paid GOM like hundreds of dollars already, but then for an online tournament in this format? No, just no.
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Seems they kinda missed the point of this. People want to watch the KeSPA players fight the non-KeSPA players, not for the best of each side to be inaccurately determined over a period of weeks and then pitted against each other. Definitely going to hurt sales. It was a wicked idea, but they missed the point of having a tournament like it.
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"Personally i think it's to much right now for me. MLG/Nasl/IPL/Gomtv several different hd/ppv models. For me there is enough great content out there. I would have loved to watch it but im not going to buy it."
I feel the exact same way.
Edit: What the fuck? Its not even Kespa v. Non-Kespa.
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On September 23 2012 12:14 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 11:34 ShiroKaisen wrote:On September 23 2012 02:43 Bigtony wrote:On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Not to derail the topic, but you realize that it was the PROLEAGUE players who pulled out of tournaments first right? And use their organization (KESPA) to bully the ESF players...right? Obviously not. Watch your word choice. You're being an asshole to people who were caught up in a lot of drama that they didn't cause. The KeSPA players did not "pull out" of anything. KeSPA the organization made the decision to defer participating in GSL for whatever reason. The players wanted to play in GSL, but they couldn't. The eSF players, meanwhile, *did* choose to pull out of OSL. eSF is entirely players and coaches, and it was Lim Jae Duk who spoke for the organization when they left OSL. Check your facts before posting please. While the guy you replied to was being sensationalist and unfair, your post was just *wrong*. Well, technically Kespa did pull out of the last MLG, which they were scheduled to particpate in... So..
MLG on the same weekend as the most important Proleague matches of the entire season.
You can't fault anyone for that.
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i don't see by.sun anywhere on that list.
and when the hell did rain leave fnatic to join skt1? i thought kespa and esf had an agreement that they were not allowed to trade players.
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there are two different Rains. Fnatic Rain (Terran). SKT Rain (Protoss). Different :D
the confusing thing is that there is an ESF Hero and a KESPA Hero, and they're both protoss.
they should have a showmatch where the loser changes his name
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On September 23 2012 13:23 Xeris wrote:
there are two different Rains. Fnatic Rain (Terran). SKT Rain (Protoss). Different :D
the confusing thing is that there is an ESF Hero and a KESPA Hero, and they're both protoss.
they should have a showmatch where the loser changes his name
if liquid hero loses he should change his name to bisu
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
On September 23 2012 13:23 Xeris wrote:
there are two different Rains. Fnatic Rain (Terran). SKT Rain (Protoss). Different :D
the confusing thing is that there is an ESF Hero and a KESPA Hero, and they're both protoss.
they should have a showmatch where the loser changes his name
Two KeSPA Heros!
So in a three way, not only should only the winner get to keep his name, but you should also have one of them switch from Protoss to Terran. Spread the love.
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On September 23 2012 09:58 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Considering that nearly all the winners of the last years MLG's ARE ESF players its still silly to not include them. And please learn the whole story before you say silly stuff.
The whole story is that ESF dont keep their word and are blackmailing organizators thats simple fact and you cant deny it. I dont care what happen in bw we are in sc2 now and those are two different things and the only one who is acting non-professional is ESF. I will never forget what they did to NASL and you should not defending them because what they did was wrong and it will only encourage them to do it again and again and again.
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On September 23 2012 13:26 from_under wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 13:23 Xeris wrote:
there are two different Rains. Fnatic Rain (Terran). SKT Rain (Protoss). Different :D
the confusing thing is that there is an ESF Hero and a KESPA Hero, and they're both protoss.
they should have a showmatch where the loser changes his name if liquid hero loses he should change his name to bisu
no way....go with snake.....come on we need a liquid snake
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On September 23 2012 13:06 ShiroKaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 12:14 snafoo wrote:On September 23 2012 11:34 ShiroKaisen wrote:On September 23 2012 02:43 Bigtony wrote:On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Not to derail the topic, but you realize that it was the PROLEAGUE players who pulled out of tournaments first right? And use their organization (KESPA) to bully the ESF players...right? Obviously not. Watch your word choice. You're being an asshole to people who were caught up in a lot of drama that they didn't cause. The KeSPA players did not "pull out" of anything. KeSPA the organization made the decision to defer participating in GSL for whatever reason. The players wanted to play in GSL, but they couldn't. The eSF players, meanwhile, *did* choose to pull out of OSL. eSF is entirely players and coaches, and it was Lim Jae Duk who spoke for the organization when they left OSL. Check your facts before posting please. While the guy you replied to was being sensationalist and unfair, your post was just *wrong*. Well, technically Kespa did pull out of the last MLG, which they were scheduled to particpate in... So.. MLG on the same weekend as the most important Proleague matches of the entire season. You can't fault anyone for that.
Schedules are determined months and months in advance, yes you can.
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I would pay even more for this. I can't get enough of Axslav Analysis.
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I think it might be worth the 10$, would like a free low quality live stream to check it out first though...
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On September 23 2012 11:34 ShiroKaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:43 Bigtony wrote:On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Not to derail the topic, but you realize that it was the PROLEAGUE players who pulled out of tournaments first right? And use their organization (KESPA) to bully the ESF players...right? Obviously not. Watch your word choice. You're being an asshole to people who were caught up in a lot of drama that they didn't cause. The KeSPA players did not "pull out" of anything. KeSPA the organization made the decision to defer participating in GSL for whatever reason. The players wanted to play in GSL, but they couldn't. The eSF players, meanwhile, *did* choose to pull out of OSL. eSF is entirely players and coaches, and it was Lim Jae Duk who spoke for the organization when they left OSL. Check your facts before posting please. While the guy you replied to was being sensationalist and unfair, your post was just *wrong*.
So eSF did the kespa players a favor by threatning to pull out of OSL. Kespa players were being fucked by their own organization so eSF stepped in and fixed it. Now kespa players can play in GSL. Your welcome!
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Do we know which server games are going to be played on? or both?
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On September 23 2012 15:05 Michaels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 09:58 Assirra wrote:On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Considering that nearly all the winners of the last years MLG's ARE ESF players its still silly to not include them. And please learn the whole story before you say silly stuff. The whole story is that ESF dont keep their word and are blackmailing organizators thats simple fact and you cant deny it. I dont care what happen in bw we are in sc2 now and those are two different things and the only one who is acting non-professional is ESF. I will never forget what they did to NASL and you should not defending them because what they did was wrong and it will only encourage them to do it again and again and again.
Kespa didn't keep their word so the eSF players decided not to play in OSL. They stood up to kespa and won, that's never been done before. They also helped GomTv. SC2 will be bad if kespa has a monopoly over it. What happened was great for the scene. Also they won one for the KeSPA players who wanted to play in GSL but their doucher organization said no
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On September 23 2012 22:12 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 15:05 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 09:58 Assirra wrote:On September 23 2012 02:36 Michaels wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 Darkhoarse wrote:
Kind of a strange mix of players. They invite every kespa pro on the face of the earth but don't bother to invite the best GOM players. They give a ton of NA seeds while not giving enough EU seeds for Vortix/Lucifron or others who could actually win games in this tourney. Seems like they think Kespa pros are the viewer draw but I'd be more inclined to watch if they were playing against some better competition Its Proleague vs MLG invites. And last time I checked you cant trust ESF players because they like to pull out of the leagues and blackmail organizations so good they didnt invite them less disgusting drama. Considering that nearly all the winners of the last years MLG's ARE ESF players its still silly to not include them. And please learn the whole story before you say silly stuff. The whole story is that ESF dont keep their word and are blackmailing organizators thats simple fact and you cant deny it. I dont care what happen in bw we are in sc2 now and those are two different things and the only one who is acting non-professional is ESF. I will never forget what they did to NASL and you should not defending them because what they did was wrong and it will only encourage them to do it again and again and again. Kespa didn't keep their word so the eSF players decided not to play in OSL. They stood up to kespa and won, that's never been done before. They also helped GomTv. SC2 will be bad if kespa has a monopoly over it. What happened was great for the scene. Also they won one for the KeSPA players who wanted to play in GSL but their doucher organization said no
Let's make sure we stay on target, MLG needs to stop segregating the KESPA players from the rest of the SC2 pros. SEPARATE IS NOT EQUAL!
![[image loading]](http://www.floridataxattorney-blog.com/impact-separate-is-not-equal-2.jpg)
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United States34 Posts
Hopefully I can clear up the Regular Season confusion...
There are 48 Players in the MLG vs. Proleague Invitational and each will play 24 Matches during the Regular Season.
ALL 576 REGULAR SEASON MATCHES ARE MLG PLAYER vs PROLEAGUE PLAYER
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United States34 Posts
For example, Huk will play 24 Regular Season Matches, one against each of the 24 Proleague Players.
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On September 25 2012 02:37 MLG John wrote:
For example, Huk will play 24 Regular Season Matches, one against each of the 24 Proleague Players.
Well thats widly different than how I interpreted the post. I'm suddenly much more interested in this event.
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On September 25 2012 02:41 KarlKaliente wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 02:37 MLG John wrote:
For example, Huk will play 24 Regular Season Matches, one against each of the 24 Proleague Players. Well thats widly different than how I interpreted the post. I'm suddenly much more interested in this event.
It's the opposite for me, there's <10 people out of 24 that can seriously compete with KeSPA pros.
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On September 25 2012 02:36 MLG John wrote:
Hopefully I can clear up the Regular Season confusion...
There are 48 Players in the MLG vs. Proleague Invitational and each will play 24 Matches during the Regular Season.
ALL 576 REGULAR SEASON MATCHES ARE MLG PLAYER vs PROLEAGUE PLAYER
Oh wow, thanks for clarifying. Now ill probably buy this.
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On September 22 2012 08:02 imMUTAble787 wrote:
the PPV model worked so well that they didn't have to use it so that they could use it
hahaha, couldn't have said it better.
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On September 25 2012 02:36 MLG John wrote:
Hopefully I can clear up the Regular Season confusion...
There are 48 Players in the MLG vs. Proleague Invitational and each will play 24 Matches during the Regular Season.
ALL 576 REGULAR SEASON MATCHES ARE MLG PLAYER vs PROLEAGUE PLAYER
On September 25 2012 02:37 MLG John wrote:
For example, Huk will play 24 Regular Season Matches, one against each of the 24 Proleague Players.
Thanks for clarifying.
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On September 23 2012 21:52 Laryleprakon wrote:
Do we know which server games are going to be played on? or both?
I forget where she said it, but Scarlett mentioned that all regular season games against Kespa players was going to be on the Korean server.
EDIT: nevermind per her twitter it's one on Korea than one on NA.
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PPV for an online tournament, yeah right.
I've done ppv for MLGs before, hard to justify for an online tourney.
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I really can't say I like the MLG lineup, but I will take this as a collection of showmatches rather than a proper tournament.
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damn that changes everything
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Is there any incentive for Gold Pass members? Discount or anything...?
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the korean invites are kinda meh... but the concept sounds funny, so people should give it a try (if you can watch it for free ofc!)
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On September 25 2012 02:36 MLG John wrote:
Hopefully I can clear up the Regular Season confusion...
There are 48 Players in the MLG vs. Proleague Invitational and each will play 24 Matches during the Regular Season.
ALL 576 REGULAR SEASON MATCHES ARE MLG PLAYER vs PROLEAGUE PLAYER
On September 25 2012 02:37 MLG John wrote:
For example, Huk will play 24 Regular Season Matches, one against each of the 24 Proleague Players.
This needs to be in the OP or a mod edit ASAP. Probably should have made the first press release a little less ambiguous though, teehee.
I feel like this might create the opposite problem though of 576 matches of foreigners being crushed. We'll see.
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i don't get it. there's gonna be 576 matches in like 3 weeks? says regular season goes from Sept 27 to Oct 15.
how you gonna broadcast all that shit?
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On September 25 2012 05:09 Schelim wrote:
i don't get it. there's gonna be 576 matches in like 3 weeks? says regular season goes from Sept 27 to Oct 15.
how you gonna broadcast all that shit?
im guessing it is prob going to be best of 1 maybe? I actually wouldn't have a problem with it , as they are going to be playing 24 matches, but if it is BO1, people will still complain..
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On September 25 2012 05:11 ydeer1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 05:09 Schelim wrote:
i don't get it. there's gonna be 576 matches in like 3 weeks? says regular season goes from Sept 27 to Oct 15.
how you gonna broadcast all that shit? im guessing it is prob going to be best of 1 maybe? I actually wouldn't have a problem with it , as they are going to be playing 24 matches, but if it is BO1, people will still complain..
even so, they're listing a total of seven play/broadcast days for regular season.
that's still an average of 82.29 games broadcast per day, in bo1 format.
i are confused.
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On September 25 2012 05:16 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 05:11 ydeer1993 wrote:On September 25 2012 05:09 Schelim wrote:
i don't get it. there's gonna be 576 matches in like 3 weeks? says regular season goes from Sept 27 to Oct 15.
how you gonna broadcast all that shit? im guessing it is prob going to be best of 1 maybe? I actually wouldn't have a problem with it , as they are going to be playing 24 matches, but if it is BO1, people will still complain.. even so, they're listing a total of seven play/broadcast days for regular season. that's still an average of 82.29 games broadcast per day, in bo1 format. i are confused.
Maybe they will show alot of big name games? hopefully the mlg guy can give us some knowledge of it all
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Awesome players but ppv for an online event? Whoever set this up.. Whatever he is on, I want some of it.
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A spelling mistake in the announcement, "Sockeh", and players that aren't tested internationally seems like a tournament i will miss. I will read recaps though to see if i was wrong.
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I like the tournament format but the prize distribution is disgusting.
MLG, you let every player play 24 matches and you pay 47 out of the 48 players not a single cent?
Whose stupid idea was that to pay the winner all the prize many at a tournament where 48 great players are attending?
seriously this is a really bad joke...
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Huh, Scarlett is in the broadcast schedule with no qxc, but qxc is in the player list with no Scarlett.
On September 25 2012 07:23 archonOOid wrote:
A spelling mistake in the announcement, "Sockeh", and players that aren't tested internationally seems like a tournament i will miss. I will read recaps though to see if i was wrong.
Players are tested internationally for like a month. Then they're put into playoffs based on those results. The playoffs start off region-based and then move back to international.
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Is it just me, or is MLG already starting to lose its credibility and legitimacy? It's like GSL (and probably soon OSL as well) are the torunaments that decide who the "champion" is, and MLG events are just random stunts and showmatches with an awkward, artificial feel. Id say they need to get a clue and take a cue from GOMTV, but it's clear the management is just outnofntouch and the whole organization comes off as a sort of corny joke. They just dont get why GSL is so much more prestigious; you can't just buy a tournament and manufacture a champion by inviting a half dozen Koreans and letting them and a bunch of foreigners battle it out with bottom of the barrell casting. This lastest Kespa vs MLG publicity stunt is another display of their irrelevency.
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On September 26 2012 17:31 JackReacher wrote:
Is it just me, or is MLG already starting to lose its credibility and legitimacy? It's like GSL (and probably soon OSL as well) are the torunaments that decide who the "champion" is, and MLG events are just random stunts and showmatches with an awkward, artificial feel. Id say they need to get a clue and take a cue from GOMTV, but it's clear the management is just outnofntouch and the whole organization comes off as a sort of corny joke. They just dont get why GSL is so much more prestigious; you can't just buy a tournament and manufacture a champion by inviting a half dozen Koreans and letting them and a bunch of foreigners battle it out with bottom of the barrell casting. This lastest Kespa vs MLG publicity stunt is another display of their irrelevency.
yes it is just you
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no, it's not just him. this is the strangest tournament put on by one of the biggest tournament organizers ever.
10$ PPV for an *online* tournament with, all due respect, not the very best casters and a really strange format that i haven't seen explained in an actually understandable way anywhere. on top of that, there seems to be waaay too many games happening over that season to broadcast more than ~10% of them. the obvious advantage of online tournaments is that you should be easily capable of broadcasting all the games, but that obviously wouldn't work here as they would still be casting group stage games when heart of the swarm is out.
so basically they're asking for 10$ for about 10% of the games of a gimmicky tournament with a mediocre caster lineup.
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I've got a feeling this is going to crash and burn, the person who posted above me listed everything that is wrong with this event in my opinion.
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I guess if it would have a adequate Caster duo, I would pay. It is not that I dont like those guys, there are good, but given the amount of prestige and epicness that is going to occure there, I really was hoping for it being either for a free or, in case I have to pay, some awesome production with a good caster duo.
I feel like this is not the right way if you want to invest into sth, in that case, investing into future events with Kespa.
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On September 26 2012 18:09 Schelim wrote:
no, it's not just him. this is the strangest tournament put on by one of the biggest tournament organizers ever.
10$ PPV for an *online* tournament with, all due respect, not the very best casters and a really strange format that i haven't seen explained in an actually understandable way anywhere. on top of that, there seems to be waaay too many games happening over that season to broadcast more than ~10% of them. the obvious advantage of online tournaments is that you should be easily capable of broadcasting all the games, but that obviously wouldn't work here as they would still be casting group stage games when heart of the swarm is out.
so basically they're asking for 10$ for about 10% of the games of a gimmicky tournament with a mediocre caster lineup.
Not to mention replays aren't even released lol
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On September 26 2012 19:40 NeonFox wrote:
I've got a feeling this is going to crash and burn, the person who posted above me listed everything that is wrong with this event in my opinion.
This, plus they are broadcasting replays. Replay tournaments (lets call them that) dont do good in general so i have no idea where MLG gets the idea to make a PPV online tournament with replays on mondays and fridays, which also means most Europeans cant see shit. Not that it matters cause their replays, so VOD or broadcast... doesn't matter really.
So 10 bucks for watching VOD's? Hmm nope
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On September 26 2012 17:54 OrbitalPlane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 17:31 JackReacher wrote:
Is it just me, or is MLG already starting to lose its credibility and legitimacy? It's like GSL (and probably soon OSL as well) are the torunaments that decide who the "champion" is, and MLG events are just random stunts and showmatches with an awkward, artificial feel. Id say they need to get a clue and take a cue from GOMTV, but it's clear the management is just outnofntouch and the whole organization comes off as a sort of corny joke. They just dont get why GSL is so much more prestigious; you can't just buy a tournament and manufacture a champion by inviting a half dozen Koreans and letting them and a bunch of foreigners battle it out with bottom of the barrell casting. This lastest Kespa vs MLG publicity stunt is another display of their irrelevency. yes it is just you
No it's not. The format IS artificial since MLG the potential non-Kespa finalist probably will be head and shoulders below the Kespa players who lost rounds before. It's arbitrary rules like "Hey, let's seed 1 EU/NA pro into finals lol" which makes this tourney completely irrelevant for me.
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On September 26 2012 18:09 Schelim wrote:
10$ PPV for an *online* tournament
This sums it up really....
I don't want to trash talk MLG, because I've enjoyed watching the championship events on stream when I've had the time... and them trying different things to see if something might be profitable for them as a business is a good thing.
But I don't know how a PPV online tournament seemed like a good idea... maybe they were expecting that having abit of exclusivity on the Kespa players would attract viewers (I'm just trying to think of something and that is the only thing that makes any amount of sense lol =/).
But take into consideration what GSL / IPL (would think they would be MLG's biggest competitors) offers on a near weekly basis (and more often than not when they have 'on' weeks... they are broadcasting most days of that week)
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GSL - $15 a season for top notch players/competition/production. And if you don't mind watching in standard definition and your not that into VODs you can watch it live for free.
IPL - Their regular content is all online stuff, but the IPTL, Fight Club... those can make for some really nice viewing... and its all free, VODs on youtube etc.
Just a couple of examples of whats out there regularly when it comes to pro sc2 content
Its amazing to see how far professional sc2 has progressed over the last couple of years.. including the production of major tournaments/events, even regular content..
This particular tournament just feels like a regression. Its the first time I've really felt that coming from one of the bigger companies in the esports world.*
But hey, I'm just a person on a forum with an opinion lol
[ * I mean in terms of the general idea behind the tournament, not the execution. ]
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This tournament by MLG is very weird. Especially how it more or less came out of nowhere. Is this something the community was waiting for? Prolly not. How does this tournament provide value to NA players? It doesn't. The chance of winning is near zero, and it doesn't increase players' exposure in any way, especially since only the hardcore will watch the PPV streams.
It has curiosity value at best.
In my opinion, MLG should focus more on current and up-and-coming NA players and think about how they (MLG) can provide value for these players. How many new faces does one see come out of the NA scene per year? Only a few. That's a bad thing. Can MLG do things that increase that number? Of course.
One might argue that tourneys like these draw viewers, and that that's what matters. But viewers are not priority #1; players are. By focusing on players, you can grow a healthy scene with lots of competition that rewards the players. And once you build that, they (viewers) will come. Putting the viewer first is putting the cart before the horse; it's backwards.
The scene needs more grass roots, more bottom-up. Sometimes MLG looks like the the opposite of grass roots.
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No discount for MLG Gold members? Sad.
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does anyone know where to find a results page for this? Liquipedia doesn't have most of the results registered yet...
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Honestly, I think the problems are the 10$ PPV combined with replay casting and the games aren't really that competitive. GSL still offers much better competition and it's a lot more exciting to see KeSPA vs ESF than KeSPA vs foreigners.
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I guess I'm in the minority. I'm enjoying the games. VoDs are good. I like watching the Kespa pro's and their progress. Only minor gripe is no dedicated observer - AxelToss shouldn't have to do it. But overall, happy with my purchase. Hell, I'd pay ten bucks for only Flash, Rain, and JD's games. And as trivial as some of these seeding games may be, I think the tourney will be entertaining. But thats just me...
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I also agree with BoZiffer. I'm enjoying the games. And I think $10 is worth it for watching these matchups. I think we otherwise would not see these players play each other, so I for one fully support MLG in this tournament, and feel I've gotten my money's worth. Again, I would also pay $10 bucks for watching Rain, Flash, JD games as well, and I have found the games already played entertaining.
Keep it up MLG. On a side note, were there any games broadcasted yesterday? I got home late.
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Tonights matches look pretty good:
MC (P) vs Jaedong (Z)
Grubby (P) vs Flash (T)
Sasquatch (Z) vs sOs (P)
Sase (P) vs Last (T)
Alive (T) vs Hyvaa (Z)
Come on Grubby - hold the line
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MC (P) vs Jaedong (Z)
Grubby (P) vs Flash (T)
Sasquatch (Z) vs sOs (P)
Sase (P) vs Last (T)
Alive (T) vs Hyvaa (Z)
SWEET MATCHES BRA!!! CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS.
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PPV can go F*** itself. Every other cast is free, greedy F***s.
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any info released on their viewer numbers? while people want to see matches, if PPV generates more money than advertisment and sponsors, then i dont see it as a bad thing. one tournament out of 10-20 being PPV is fine, if it all becomes PPV, thats a different deal
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