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Barkziee
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom138 Posts
July 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#5801
On July 22 2011 10:08 travis wrote:
lol ppl here are so naturally competitive here everything needs to have a clear winner and loser. Did AG win? Did Milkis win? WHO WON DAMNIT!!


As long as travis gets to spam another post out its all good!

On topic, it was an invalid debate from the start because there was no fair respresentation and no impartial observer leading the debate.
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
July 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#5802
I'm a big proponent of a players first mentality. As far as I'm considered FUCK teams. I don't give a shit if a team is offended or mad. I want players to get as much money and publicity and fame as humanly possible. I want them to be ripped nerd ballers driving cars inside cars off of playing games. I want SC2 to be a legitimate career choice. In the end, if a player decides that what's best for them is signing with a different team then they should do it. Players first always, fuck teams yo.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
Twoinches
Profile Joined April 2010
United States131 Posts
July 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#5803
On July 22 2011 10:09 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 10:08 Twoinches wrote:
On July 22 2011 10:07 Mohdoo wrote:
DJWheat confirming the massive culture gap >_<

"Its all about the individual, not the team who made him who he is!"


tsl made him, Eg will take him to new places.

For a few months until his skill drops.


Who cares, HIS CHOICE. Eg didnt put a gun to his head.
Paris hilton Is my Lord and Savior
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
July 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#5804
On July 22 2011 10:08 travis wrote:
lol ppl here are so naturally competitive here everything needs to have a clear winner and loser. Did AG win? Did Milkis win? WHO WON DAMNIT!!

Puma wins, and that is what matters in my opinion
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#5805
On July 22 2011 10:08 alexanderzero wrote:
I don't think this is EG's fault and entirely PuMa's fault. He is the one who turned his back on his team at the drop of a hat. When is EG supposed to get access to Korean players except when they're visiting the United States?

Everybody's to blame here, but I do think Puma definitely facilitated the massive miscommunication that took place.

That said, he must be getting a fuck ton of backlash from the Korean community. I hope he's okay.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 01:11:03
July 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#5806
On July 22 2011 10:08 travis wrote:
lol ppl here are so naturally competitive here everything needs to have a clear winner and loser. Did AG win? Did Milkis win? WHO WON DAMNIT!!


AG vs Milkis bo3 grudge match?

gogo.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 01:11:42
July 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#5807
On July 22 2011 10:05 Blasphemi wrote:
Well that felt like a Nuremberg Rally. Hopefully EG players do horribly at Anaheim.


Petition to qualify this thread for closure based on the Godwin law or related content, see above.

Imagine, you make a big deal on a great up and coming player for your team, but lines of communication get crossed, the player tells his coach before you get the chance to issue a proper statement, and a translator preempts your PR with a major community message informed by one side. This is how I see it.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
July 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#5808
On July 22 2011 10:08 hoby2000 wrote:
If a famous news anchor does a story, then later comments on the story with a biased view, then they've essentially done some shitty journalism. Milkis, your job is to translate, and it's fine for you to join the discussion, but you're just as bad/guilty as all of the idiots who were assuming this or that in this situation. You're either just a translator with no bias, or you're translating an article (not a translator) to make a comment on. You're not both. If you post an article, don't make biased comments and/or assumptions.


Milkis can make all the comments he wants. He is not an official representative of anyone but himself. Making any part of this Milkis fault in anyway is just ridiculous.
shavi
Profile Joined July 2010
United States127 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 01:12:01
July 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#5809
I really wish Chill would have been on this episode, maybe curb some of the huge bias. :s

That said I agree with most of AG's points, I don't think they acted shady or whatever. I just find it really despicable he'd throw personal attacks and talk about journal integrity when all Milkis did was translate a report, and add in some other reports from other websites about the issue.
meep
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1699 Posts
July 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#5810
I felt that DJWheat's little speech was a little pathetic and was just an attempt to cover up the horribad that was his show tonight.
閑静 しずか (ノ・_・)ノ
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 01:11:55
July 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#5811
What a debate. Though, i would've wanted to hear Kennigit thoughts. Tweeted something about calling etc. :p
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
July 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#5812
On July 22 2011 10:09 Slakter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 10:08 travis wrote:
lol ppl here are so naturally competitive here everything needs to have a clear winner and loser. Did AG win? Did Milkis win? WHO WON DAMNIT!!

ESPORTS WON


ESPORTS RUINED

Kind of feel sorry for Milki's, he was the wrong person for that segment. Even if he put himself in the crosshair.
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
July 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#5813
On July 22 2011 10:07 Mohdoo wrote:
DJWheat confirming the massive culture gap >_<

"Its all about the individual, not the team who made him who he is!"


yea, his entire final thoughts just highlighted Western views and being ignorant of how esports is treated in Korea. the whole "im putting on my American tinted glasses and ignoring Korea here... I want the best Koreans to play on American teams" thing was a huge wtf.
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#5814
On July 22 2011 10:09 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 10:08 Twoinches wrote:
On July 22 2011 10:07 Mohdoo wrote:
DJWheat confirming the massive culture gap >_<

"Its all about the individual, not the team who made him who he is!"


tsl made him, Eg will take him to new places.


You mean like the EG training house? To practice against a bunch of players completely out of his league, and ladder on a server not even worth his time? Yeah, sounds like a great way to improve. Sure he gets plane tickets, but he's gonna be relying on his salary without the ability to actually win tournaments. Training in the USA is going to kill his skill.


Truth or not, your opinion is 100% what is limiting and slowing the growth of SC2 outside of korea.

How about giving people a chance maybe?
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 01:11:56
July 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#5815
Fox News style debate, loving it. Now bring up KSNBC with Coach Lee ranting for 30 minutes on how evil EG is and ESPORTS has made it.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
gurrpp
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States437 Posts
July 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#5816
On July 22 2011 10:08 travis wrote:
lol ppl here are so naturally competitive here everything needs to have a clear winner and loser. Did AG win? Did Milkis win? WHO WON DAMNIT!!


djwheat won because the shitstorm caused everyone to watch his show
hot fuh days
Teoyaomqui
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden326 Posts
July 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#5817
On July 22 2011 09:55 ImHuko wrote:
The EG guy is talking overtop of Milkis and Milkis sits there calmly waiting, then Djwheat/EG guy cuts him off when he talks, this is just hard to listen to

Yeah, this is what I felt when listening to it too.. AG talked 3 times as much as Milkis and was never interrupted though he was ranting quite a lot and even forgot what he was answering at one point. Not surprising that AG got to finish last either.
DigitalisDestructi
Profile Joined November 2010
United States488 Posts
July 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#5818
On July 22 2011 10:06 cskalias.pbe wrote:
So many people here will hang on ONE word or ONE phrase and not understand the general idea the person is talking about, and will rant for 250 pages about how "right" they are.

Who cares if they cut milkis off because he doesn't have a fucking argument. If he's basic argument is that EG was disrespectiful, then FINE, just say that and the topic is done. If his argument is that this is bad for the scene and for the players, then I have NO idea when or how he made that point. His argument is : feel sad for Coach Lee because.... I mean you can't do this because this is always how we've done this.

Whereas AG is trying to grow the entire esport scene as a whole and not make in a "korean" scene. He is afraid that all the korean organizations will band together and make it even more difficult for foreign teams to get involved and trade players, which is totally understandable given how KESPA currently operates.

I love Milkis, and his translations. But as an SC2 fan and teamliquid member, I just don't know why you are all upset and taking his side. What IS his side? I love SC2 more than coach lee. I love sc2 more than being 100% proper in every conceivable player negotiation.

"Who cares if they cut milkis off because he doesn't have a fucking argument." Seriously? Milkis didn't ever deserve the right to at least finish his point, even if he's up against someone who's more well-versed in speech and debate? Fair game, that is not.
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EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
July 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#5819
On July 22 2011 10:11 dacthehork wrote:
Fox News style debate, loving it.


If only we had the colbert report.
Dear Sixsmith...
Twoinches
Profile Joined April 2010
United States131 Posts
July 22 2011 01:12 GMT
#5820
Tonight marks one of the darker sides of e-sports.

gamers angry with gamers making money and doing what they love.
Paris hilton Is my Lord and Savior
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