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Bobgrimly
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand250 Posts
July 25 2011 09:34 GMT
#7181
So is puma actually going to join EG? Seeing as the update in the op says he hasn't yet signed any contract? Or is this whole thing about a guy leaving his team for nothing?
For the swarm
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 25 2011 09:42 GMT
#7182
On July 25 2011 17:21 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 17:17 FairForever wrote:
On July 25 2011 17:12 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On July 25 2011 16:59 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On July 25 2011 16:24 SafeAsCheese wrote:
I think Lee tweeted that they got 6 new recruits

Link please.

I don't know if it is accurate, no other person has confirmed the translation

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=246368&currentpage=38#742

I won't care about EG anymore but the new 6+ recruits. I'll be heading to workshop.


I hope it's true


That doesn't mean they're any good - there are a lot of unsigned Koreans who would kill to be on a pro Korean team. Obviously they're not unskilled, but to assume that any of these six recruits will be the next DRG or Puma is a huge stretch to say the least. The free agent player pool (using "free agent" in the sense of players who aren't on teams, not players who don't have signed contracts) in Korea is pretty damn large.


Man, reading this post was like reading someone's trip. There's a plentiful pool of unsigned players in Korea, certainly much larger than in other scenes, but somehow this is a detriment to the player quality of free agents? What?


What do you mean? If they were known to be high quality they'd be on a team (especially when you watch some of the B-team players on the current teams). Anyone who is perceived to be A-team quality would've been picked up by now.

The quantity of free agent players is high but you're probably not finding a DRG in there. In fact, you're probably finding B-team players. I'd be impressed if even two of them move up to Code A once in the next year.

The quality of players in Korea is amazing, and these B-teamers are probably better than most NA players. But that doesn't mean they're high-quality by Korean standards.
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
July 25 2011 11:23 GMT
#7183
I dunno why everybody's so angry with EG right now. All they did is make an offer to PuMa, it's not like they forced him to leave TSL, the player WANTED to join EG. And if any team really wants to hold on to their players, they need to do 2 things:

- sign contracts to secure them
- PAY them

And I also disagree with the fact that EG should contact the TSL coach first, especially since there was no contract between PuMa and tsl. This means that PuMa is free of any obligations and can decide for himself, which is what he did. Stop blaming EG for trying, blame TSL for not signing and paying their players. Also respect PuMa's wish and decision.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
July 25 2011 18:59 GMT
#7184
On July 25 2011 20:23 Kabras wrote:
I dunno why everybody's so angry with EG right now. All they did is make an offer to PuMa, it's not like they forced him to leave TSL, the player WANTED to join EG. And if any team really wants to hold on to their players, they need to do 2 things:

- sign contracts to secure them
- PAY them

And I also disagree with the fact that EG should contact the TSL coach first, especially since there was no contract between PuMa and tsl. This means that PuMa is free of any obligations and can decide for himself, which is what he did. Stop blaming EG for trying, blame TSL for not signing and paying their players. Also respect PuMa's wish and decision.


People are just saying how EG didn't take the high road, and just did something dodgy. You have to admit, it wasn't the most courteous way of letting TSL know. AG must have known the tradition of contacting coaches/managers first. I mean, if inControl, Idra, Machine, and Puma (a year from now) suddenly signed with another team when they were "not under contract", I don't think AG would be very pleased either (especially if he didn't have any idea what was going on).
Grimsong
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
July 25 2011 19:48 GMT
#7185
On July 26 2011 03:59 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 20:23 Kabras wrote:
I dunno why everybody's so angry with EG right now. All they did is make an offer to PuMa, it's not like they forced him to leave TSL, the player WANTED to join EG. And if any team really wants to hold on to their players, they need to do 2 things:

- sign contracts to secure them
- PAY them

And I also disagree with the fact that EG should contact the TSL coach first, especially since there was no contract between PuMa and tsl. This means that PuMa is free of any obligations and can decide for himself, which is what he did. Stop blaming EG for trying, blame TSL for not signing and paying their players. Also respect PuMa's wish and decision.


People are just saying how EG didn't take the high road, and just did something dodgy. You have to admit, it wasn't the most courteous way of letting TSL know. AG must have known the tradition of contacting coaches/managers first. I mean, if inControl, Idra, Machine, and Puma (a year from now) suddenly signed with another team when they were "not under contract", I don't think AG would be very pleased either (especially if he didn't have any idea what was going on).


Except AG would never have that problem because he, you know, signs their players to contracts.

Something that, if it happened, we'd never even have this "issue"
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
July 25 2011 20:42 GMT
#7186
On July 26 2011 04:48 Grimsong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 03:59 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:23 Kabras wrote:
I dunno why everybody's so angry with EG right now. All they did is make an offer to PuMa, it's not like they forced him to leave TSL, the player WANTED to join EG. And if any team really wants to hold on to their players, they need to do 2 things:

- sign contracts to secure them
- PAY them

And I also disagree with the fact that EG should contact the TSL coach first, especially since there was no contract between PuMa and tsl. This means that PuMa is free of any obligations and can decide for himself, which is what he did. Stop blaming EG for trying, blame TSL for not signing and paying their players. Also respect PuMa's wish and decision.


People are just saying how EG didn't take the high road, and just did something dodgy. You have to admit, it wasn't the most courteous way of letting TSL know. AG must have known the tradition of contacting coaches/managers first. I mean, if inControl, Idra, Machine, and Puma (a year from now) suddenly signed with another team when they were "not under contract", I don't think AG would be very pleased either (especially if he didn't have any idea what was going on).


Except AG would never have that problem because he, you know, signs their players to contracts.

Something that, if it happened, we'd never even have this "issue"


Again, most SC2 korean teams operated on trust and good faith. True, it's naive, but that's how they do it there. This trade deal just served as a reminder to those teams. Now, they'll be signing contracts alright. Again nothing illegal with what AG did, it's all just good business.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
July 25 2011 20:44 GMT
#7187
Man, if I were EG's sponsors and I saw this thread I'd be absolutely giddy right now. A coup of one of the priemier players, and you can damn well bet that when he finally starts playing for them, everyone is going to watch. When they count the number at the end of the day, no one cares whether you're rooting for him to win or lose, just that you're watching.
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
Grimsong
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
July 25 2011 20:51 GMT
#7188
On July 26 2011 05:42 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 04:48 Grimsong wrote:
On July 26 2011 03:59 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:23 Kabras wrote:
I dunno why everybody's so angry with EG right now. All they did is make an offer to PuMa, it's not like they forced him to leave TSL, the player WANTED to join EG. And if any team really wants to hold on to their players, they need to do 2 things:

- sign contracts to secure them
- PAY them

And I also disagree with the fact that EG should contact the TSL coach first, especially since there was no contract between PuMa and tsl. This means that PuMa is free of any obligations and can decide for himself, which is what he did. Stop blaming EG for trying, blame TSL for not signing and paying their players. Also respect PuMa's wish and decision.


People are just saying how EG didn't take the high road, and just did something dodgy. You have to admit, it wasn't the most courteous way of letting TSL know. AG must have known the tradition of contacting coaches/managers first. I mean, if inControl, Idra, Machine, and Puma (a year from now) suddenly signed with another team when they were "not under contract", I don't think AG would be very pleased either (especially if he didn't have any idea what was going on).


Except AG would never have that problem because he, you know, signs their players to contracts.

Something that, if it happened, we'd never even have this "issue"


Again, most SC2 korean teams operated on trust and good faith. True, it's naive, but that's how they do it there. This trade deal just served as a reminder to those teams. Now, they'll be signing contracts alright. Again nothing illegal with what AG did, it's all just good business.



I understand that, but you can't simply say "Oh I bet AG would be mad", because there's no situation that exists where that could happen to AG. Anyone would be mad in that specific situation, its those who acknowledge it beforehand that prevent it from ever happening. Why do you think EVERY major sports organization runs off of contracts? The E may be blinding, but E-Sports is the same concept with a different medium.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8315 Posts
July 26 2011 03:31 GMT
#7189
Link to EG's response should be posted in the OP imo.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=247655&currentpage=7
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
h3nG
Profile Joined March 2011
46 Posts
July 26 2011 14:52 GMT
#7190
Overall this has harmed TSL more than it has helped. But I think the publicity has brought some new fans I hope. I am sold. Wish TSL best of luck in the future.
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