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On July 24 2011 12:36 hyptonic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 12:31 Ozcollo wrote:On July 24 2011 12:25 hyptonic wrote:On July 24 2011 12:13 Doodsmack wrote:On July 24 2011 06:18 Cyrak wrote:On July 24 2011 05:51 Belial88 wrote:
I think this is awesome, I feel like EG has been really trying to grow and TSL has been a mess and acted a little too late in deciding to become more competitive.
I think Puma wants to make a name for himself, and recognizes where to do it. It's obnoxious how many people are rallying against this, some people have a dream and need to support themselves. This sort of loyalty crap is just ridiculous, obviously TSL did not treat Puma with what he needed. I think the main points that people are trying to make in the thread are: A) This is a career-killing move for Puma because EG is unable to provide an environment where he will be able to continue to grow. B) Puma was an investment on the part of TSL. He had no results of significance to show in his SC2 career until his win at NASL and after that win he subsequently ditches TSL within a matter of days. Some people are acting as if Puma was a player that was obviously amazing for a long time but was unappreciated by his team. In fact, he was someone that, until his awesome run in the NASL open and finals, had accomplished nothing particularly exceptional that would justify any sort of special treatment. C) The unapologetic and crass style of the EG management in both the acquisition of Puma and the PR mess that followed has alienated a large section of the community that puts a high premium on "manner". The general sense of disgust and contempt has been large enough that the backlash has even got people raging out at djWHEAT and threatening to boycott his show. D) Puma has every right to pursue his dreams and to be rewarded for his successes but the speed with which this all went down suggests that he was offered quick money after his first taste of success and jumped at it immediately without considering the welfare of his team or even the long-term future of his career. As has been mentioned multiple times in this thread, TSL has had some very well-compensated players (Fruitdealer, etc.). In a real business environment if an executive is being headhunted by competition or people from another industry it is standard practice in Western society to notify your employer of the offer and give them time and opportunity to counter it. Given the time-frame of this fiasco it doesn't seem like that is at all what happened (though we obviously don't know everything). The amount of juvenile speculation and platitudes from the ignorant about "how business really works" further inflames the people who are just looking for a bit of professionalism, "manner", and civility. I think that this entire situation could have been managed much more amicably, but instead we might be seeing the spark that lights the flame of KeSPA #2. There's nothing to be rejoicing about here at all. A) Hasty assumption. EG is setting up a team house. No reason to assume that the team house will prove to be incapable of matching the Korean training environment. Also no reason to assume that Puma doesn't still have plenty of practice partners in Korea. B) I assume you're implying here that Puma (not EG) should have given TSL more opportunity to make a counter-offer and keep him on the team. Fine, but I don't see why anyone cares much about how Puma treated his team. What does it matter to you, you're not going to be a fan of Puma now? The concern of us westerners is really with how EG handled the matter. C) Doesn't seem very a accurate. A "large section of the community" has been alienated by EG? The impression I've gotten throughout this thread is that a majority of posters don't think EG did anything wrong. There are tons and tons of posts in this thread to that effect. Also, you claim that the posts "raging out at djwheat" are evidence of the largeness of the "general sense of contempt and disgust." Not really, could just be a couple of angry posters. Again, while there are certainly posters displaying contempt and disgust towards EG in this thread, my impression is that the majority of them are not. D) You have absolutely no idea whether Puma gave proper consideration to his team and his long-term career. We know that he took two weeks to make a decision. What makes you think two weeks is too fast to give consideration to the things you mention? You merely have an opinion of Puma's end decision, an opinion which Puma may well disagree with after proper consideration. A) EG said Puma is staying in Korea and even if he were to leave Korea and move to EGs team house most feel his skill would only deteriorate. He would practice with the likes of inControL, Axslav, DeMusliM, StrifeCro, LzGamer and Machine. Players would wouldn't even be Korean masters (code B). IdrA would be his only help there and it would still be a downgrade esp. with the language barrier. B) Why wouldn't how Puma treated his team matter? He is going to be participating in all foreign LANs now and I for one see no reason to support him anymore. C) You are either delusional or haven't read this thread. The impression I've gotten throughout this thread is that a majority of posters don't think EG did anything wrong Please read this thread again or tell me you are an EG employee D) I'm pretty sure the decision was agreed upon following NASL. He didn't give any thought and chose to follow the money. So because he disagrees with you he must be an EG employee? EG hasn't said for sure what Puma will be doing. He's not even signed yet. Your final point is nothing but your personal opinion, you have no idea if he gave it any thought or not (which I'd bet money he did). The majority of this thread is anti-EG posts claiming the way they acquired puma was legal, but terribly wrong. How is that an opinion?
The majority? So you've read all of them and counted them then? Share the numbers with us if that be the case.
Everyone hears their own side of the argument more. It's human nature. Even if it were the cast that the majority of the posts in this thread by unique user favored one side or the other it would be totally irrelevant, anecdotal evidence is still just anecdotal evidence.
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So...
Does EG maybe feel like releasing an official statement sometime...
Like what is going on? Is he still going to join? Wonderful communication skills.
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On July 24 2011 08:49 Techno wrote:
TL partners with oGs
FXO partners with fOu
coL partners with MVP
EG could have partnered with TSL, but instead chooses to pickup Puma, hurt TSL, and generate something of a PR blunder.
EDIT: Apparently the thoughts I bring up here have been already been considered, and subsequently pwnd, in this thread. My apologies.
'Now, that is a statement I almost agree with. Would have been cool if that had happened.
Issue is
EG doesn't want Korea
Puma wants to be a foreign champion.
This was actually a good move for both parties.
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On July 24 2011 13:12 Apollo_Shards wrote:
So...
Does EG maybe feel like releasing an official statement sometime...
Like what is going on? Is he still going to join? Wonderful communication skills.
What are they going to say? They said everything on WoC and an official statement won't come out until Puma officially signs with EG most likely.
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On July 24 2011 12:36 hyptonic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 12:31 Ozcollo wrote:On July 24 2011 12:25 hyptonic wrote:On July 24 2011 12:13 Doodsmack wrote:On July 24 2011 06:18 Cyrak wrote:On July 24 2011 05:51 Belial88 wrote:
I think this is awesome, I feel like EG has been really trying to grow and TSL has been a mess and acted a little too late in deciding to become more competitive.
I think Puma wants to make a name for himself, and recognizes where to do it. It's obnoxious how many people are rallying against this, some people have a dream and need to support themselves. This sort of loyalty crap is just ridiculous, obviously TSL did not treat Puma with what he needed. I think the main points that people are trying to make in the thread are: A) This is a career-killing move for Puma because EG is unable to provide an environment where he will be able to continue to grow. B) Puma was an investment on the part of TSL. He had no results of significance to show in his SC2 career until his win at NASL and after that win he subsequently ditches TSL within a matter of days. Some people are acting as if Puma was a player that was obviously amazing for a long time but was unappreciated by his team. In fact, he was someone that, until his awesome run in the NASL open and finals, had accomplished nothing particularly exceptional that would justify any sort of special treatment. C) The unapologetic and crass style of the EG management in both the acquisition of Puma and the PR mess that followed has alienated a large section of the community that puts a high premium on "manner". The general sense of disgust and contempt has been large enough that the backlash has even got people raging out at djWHEAT and threatening to boycott his show. D) Puma has every right to pursue his dreams and to be rewarded for his successes but the speed with which this all went down suggests that he was offered quick money after his first taste of success and jumped at it immediately without considering the welfare of his team or even the long-term future of his career. As has been mentioned multiple times in this thread, TSL has had some very well-compensated players (Fruitdealer, etc.). In a real business environment if an executive is being headhunted by competition or people from another industry it is standard practice in Western society to notify your employer of the offer and give them time and opportunity to counter it. Given the time-frame of this fiasco it doesn't seem like that is at all what happened (though we obviously don't know everything). The amount of juvenile speculation and platitudes from the ignorant about "how business really works" further inflames the people who are just looking for a bit of professionalism, "manner", and civility. I think that this entire situation could have been managed much more amicably, but instead we might be seeing the spark that lights the flame of KeSPA #2. There's nothing to be rejoicing about here at all. A) Hasty assumption. EG is setting up a team house. No reason to assume that the team house will prove to be incapable of matching the Korean training environment. Also no reason to assume that Puma doesn't still have plenty of practice partners in Korea. B) I assume you're implying here that Puma (not EG) should have given TSL more opportunity to make a counter-offer and keep him on the team. Fine, but I don't see why anyone cares much about how Puma treated his team. What does it matter to you, you're not going to be a fan of Puma now? The concern of us westerners is really with how EG handled the matter. C) Doesn't seem very a accurate. A "large section of the community" has been alienated by EG? The impression I've gotten throughout this thread is that a majority of posters don't think EG did anything wrong. There are tons and tons of posts in this thread to that effect. Also, you claim that the posts "raging out at djwheat" are evidence of the largeness of the "general sense of contempt and disgust." Not really, could just be a couple of angry posters. Again, while there are certainly posters displaying contempt and disgust towards EG in this thread, my impression is that the majority of them are not. D) You have absolutely no idea whether Puma gave proper consideration to his team and his long-term career. We know that he took two weeks to make a decision. What makes you think two weeks is too fast to give consideration to the things you mention? You merely have an opinion of Puma's end decision, an opinion which Puma may well disagree with after proper consideration. A) EG said Puma is staying in Korea and even if he were to leave Korea and move to EGs team house most feel his skill would only deteriorate. He would practice with the likes of inControL, Axslav, DeMusliM, StrifeCro, LzGamer and Machine. Players would wouldn't even be Korean masters (code B). IdrA would be his only help there and it would still be a downgrade esp. with the language barrier. B) Why wouldn't how Puma treated his team matter? He is going to be participating in all foreign LANs now and I for one see no reason to support him anymore. C) You are either delusional or haven't read this thread. The impression I've gotten throughout this thread is that a majority of posters don't think EG did anything wrong Please read this thread again or tell me you are an EG employee D) I'm pretty sure the decision was agreed upon following NASL. He didn't give any thought and chose to follow the money. So because he disagrees with you he must be an EG employee? EG hasn't said for sure what Puma will be doing. He's not even signed yet. Your final point is nothing but your personal opinion, you have no idea if he gave it any thought or not (which I'd bet money he did). The majority of this thread is anti-EG posts claiming the way they acquired puma was legal, but terribly wrong. How is that an opinion?
The majority of these posts about approaching TSL staff first without even gauging player interest is idiotic and lacking in common sense. I forgot though that our main form of transportation are unicorns and our world-wide currency are hugs and happy thoughts.
Also, I was addressing his "opinion" regarding Puma's intentions. Saying that he put no thought into joining EG or its consequences he was only following the money.
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On July 24 2011 13:23 Ozcollo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 12:36 hyptonic wrote:On July 24 2011 12:31 Ozcollo wrote:On July 24 2011 12:25 hyptonic wrote:On July 24 2011 12:13 Doodsmack wrote:On July 24 2011 06:18 Cyrak wrote:On July 24 2011 05:51 Belial88 wrote:
I think this is awesome, I feel like EG has been really trying to grow and TSL has been a mess and acted a little too late in deciding to become more competitive.
I think Puma wants to make a name for himself, and recognizes where to do it. It's obnoxious how many people are rallying against this, some people have a dream and need to support themselves. This sort of loyalty crap is just ridiculous, obviously TSL did not treat Puma with what he needed. I think the main points that people are trying to make in the thread are: A) This is a career-killing move for Puma because EG is unable to provide an environment where he will be able to continue to grow. B) Puma was an investment on the part of TSL. He had no results of significance to show in his SC2 career until his win at NASL and after that win he subsequently ditches TSL within a matter of days. Some people are acting as if Puma was a player that was obviously amazing for a long time but was unappreciated by his team. In fact, he was someone that, until his awesome run in the NASL open and finals, had accomplished nothing particularly exceptional that would justify any sort of special treatment. C) The unapologetic and crass style of the EG management in both the acquisition of Puma and the PR mess that followed has alienated a large section of the community that puts a high premium on "manner". The general sense of disgust and contempt has been large enough that the backlash has even got people raging out at djWHEAT and threatening to boycott his show. D) Puma has every right to pursue his dreams and to be rewarded for his successes but the speed with which this all went down suggests that he was offered quick money after his first taste of success and jumped at it immediately without considering the welfare of his team or even the long-term future of his career. As has been mentioned multiple times in this thread, TSL has had some very well-compensated players (Fruitdealer, etc.). In a real business environment if an executive is being headhunted by competition or people from another industry it is standard practice in Western society to notify your employer of the offer and give them time and opportunity to counter it. Given the time-frame of this fiasco it doesn't seem like that is at all what happened (though we obviously don't know everything). The amount of juvenile speculation and platitudes from the ignorant about "how business really works" further inflames the people who are just looking for a bit of professionalism, "manner", and civility. I think that this entire situation could have been managed much more amicably, but instead we might be seeing the spark that lights the flame of KeSPA #2. There's nothing to be rejoicing about here at all. A) Hasty assumption. EG is setting up a team house. No reason to assume that the team house will prove to be incapable of matching the Korean training environment. Also no reason to assume that Puma doesn't still have plenty of practice partners in Korea. B) I assume you're implying here that Puma (not EG) should have given TSL more opportunity to make a counter-offer and keep him on the team. Fine, but I don't see why anyone cares much about how Puma treated his team. What does it matter to you, you're not going to be a fan of Puma now? The concern of us westerners is really with how EG handled the matter. C) Doesn't seem very a accurate. A "large section of the community" has been alienated by EG? The impression I've gotten throughout this thread is that a majority of posters don't think EG did anything wrong. There are tons and tons of posts in this thread to that effect. Also, you claim that the posts "raging out at djwheat" are evidence of the largeness of the "general sense of contempt and disgust." Not really, could just be a couple of angry posters. Again, while there are certainly posters displaying contempt and disgust towards EG in this thread, my impression is that the majority of them are not. D) You have absolutely no idea whether Puma gave proper consideration to his team and his long-term career. We know that he took two weeks to make a decision. What makes you think two weeks is too fast to give consideration to the things you mention? You merely have an opinion of Puma's end decision, an opinion which Puma may well disagree with after proper consideration. A) EG said Puma is staying in Korea and even if he were to leave Korea and move to EGs team house most feel his skill would only deteriorate. He would practice with the likes of inControL, Axslav, DeMusliM, StrifeCro, LzGamer and Machine. Players would wouldn't even be Korean masters (code B). IdrA would be his only help there and it would still be a downgrade esp. with the language barrier. B) Why wouldn't how Puma treated his team matter? He is going to be participating in all foreign LANs now and I for one see no reason to support him anymore. C) You are either delusional or haven't read this thread. The impression I've gotten throughout this thread is that a majority of posters don't think EG did anything wrong Please read this thread again or tell me you are an EG employee D) I'm pretty sure the decision was agreed upon following NASL. He didn't give any thought and chose to follow the money. So because he disagrees with you he must be an EG employee? EG hasn't said for sure what Puma will be doing. He's not even signed yet. Your final point is nothing but your personal opinion, you have no idea if he gave it any thought or not (which I'd bet money he did). The majority of this thread is anti-EG posts claiming the way they acquired puma was legal, but terribly wrong. How is that an opinion? The majority of these posts about approaching TSL staff first without even gauging player interest is idiotic and lacking in common sense. I forgot though that our main form of transportation are unicorns and our world-wide currency are hugs and happy thoughts. Also, I was addressing his "opinion" regarding Puma's intentions. Saying that he put no thought into joining EG or its consequences he was only following the money.
Yeah, I've read a lot of the counter arguments on what EG did, and it can be condensed into:
"EG didn't do anything wrong, but the way they did this trade doesn't fit my moral vision of how a trade should take place."
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On July 24 2011 13:27 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 13:23 Ozcollo wrote:On July 24 2011 12:36 hyptonic wrote:On July 24 2011 12:31 Ozcollo wrote:On July 24 2011 12:25 hyptonic wrote:On July 24 2011 12:13 Doodsmack wrote:On July 24 2011 06:18 Cyrak wrote:On July 24 2011 05:51 Belial88 wrote:
I think this is awesome, I feel like EG has been really trying to grow and TSL has been a mess and acted a little too late in deciding to become more competitive.
I think Puma wants to make a name for himself, and recognizes where to do it. It's obnoxious how many people are rallying against this, some people have a dream and need to support themselves. This sort of loyalty crap is just ridiculous, obviously TSL did not treat Puma with what he needed. I think the main points that people are trying to make in the thread are: A) This is a career-killing move for Puma because EG is unable to provide an environment where he will be able to continue to grow. B) Puma was an investment on the part of TSL. He had no results of significance to show in his SC2 career until his win at NASL and after that win he subsequently ditches TSL within a matter of days. Some people are acting as if Puma was a player that was obviously amazing for a long time but was unappreciated by his team. In fact, he was someone that, until his awesome run in the NASL open and finals, had accomplished nothing particularly exceptional that would justify any sort of special treatment. C) The unapologetic and crass style of the EG management in both the acquisition of Puma and the PR mess that followed has alienated a large section of the community that puts a high premium on "manner". The general sense of disgust and contempt has been large enough that the backlash has even got people raging out at djWHEAT and threatening to boycott his show. D) Puma has every right to pursue his dreams and to be rewarded for his successes but the speed with which this all went down suggests that he was offered quick money after his first taste of success and jumped at it immediately without considering the welfare of his team or even the long-term future of his career. As has been mentioned multiple times in this thread, TSL has had some very well-compensated players (Fruitdealer, etc.). In a real business environment if an executive is being headhunted by competition or people from another industry it is standard practice in Western society to notify your employer of the offer and give them time and opportunity to counter it. Given the time-frame of this fiasco it doesn't seem like that is at all what happened (though we obviously don't know everything). The amount of juvenile speculation and platitudes from the ignorant about "how business really works" further inflames the people who are just looking for a bit of professionalism, "manner", and civility. I think that this entire situation could have been managed much more amicably, but instead we might be seeing the spark that lights the flame of KeSPA #2. There's nothing to be rejoicing about here at all. A) Hasty assumption. EG is setting up a team house. No reason to assume that the team house will prove to be incapable of matching the Korean training environment. Also no reason to assume that Puma doesn't still have plenty of practice partners in Korea. B) I assume you're implying here that Puma (not EG) should have given TSL more opportunity to make a counter-offer and keep him on the team. Fine, but I don't see why anyone cares much about how Puma treated his team. What does it matter to you, you're not going to be a fan of Puma now? The concern of us westerners is really with how EG handled the matter. C) Doesn't seem very a accurate. A "large section of the community" has been alienated by EG? The impression I've gotten throughout this thread is that a majority of posters don't think EG did anything wrong. There are tons and tons of posts in this thread to that effect. Also, you claim that the posts "raging out at djwheat" are evidence of the largeness of the "general sense of contempt and disgust." Not really, could just be a couple of angry posters. Again, while there are certainly posters displaying contempt and disgust towards EG in this thread, my impression is that the majority of them are not. D) You have absolutely no idea whether Puma gave proper consideration to his team and his long-term career. We know that he took two weeks to make a decision. What makes you think two weeks is too fast to give consideration to the things you mention? You merely have an opinion of Puma's end decision, an opinion which Puma may well disagree with after proper consideration. A) EG said Puma is staying in Korea and even if he were to leave Korea and move to EGs team house most feel his skill would only deteriorate. He would practice with the likes of inControL, Axslav, DeMusliM, StrifeCro, LzGamer and Machine. Players would wouldn't even be Korean masters (code B). IdrA would be his only help there and it would still be a downgrade esp. with the language barrier. B) Why wouldn't how Puma treated his team matter? He is going to be participating in all foreign LANs now and I for one see no reason to support him anymore. C) You are either delusional or haven't read this thread. The impression I've gotten throughout this thread is that a majority of posters don't think EG did anything wrong Please read this thread again or tell me you are an EG employee D) I'm pretty sure the decision was agreed upon following NASL. He didn't give any thought and chose to follow the money. So because he disagrees with you he must be an EG employee? EG hasn't said for sure what Puma will be doing. He's not even signed yet. Your final point is nothing but your personal opinion, you have no idea if he gave it any thought or not (which I'd bet money he did). The majority of this thread is anti-EG posts claiming the way they acquired puma was legal, but terribly wrong. How is that an opinion? The majority of these posts about approaching TSL staff first without even gauging player interest is idiotic and lacking in common sense. I forgot though that our main form of transportation are unicorns and our world-wide currency are hugs and happy thoughts. Also, I was addressing his "opinion" regarding Puma's intentions. Saying that he put no thought into joining EG or its consequences he was only following the money. Yeah, I've read a lot of the counter arguments on what EG did, and it can be condensed into: "EG didn't do anything wrong, but the way they did this trade doesn't fit my moral vision of how a trade should take place."
Is it a trade if he has no legal obligation to the team? If I were TSL and I had someone as good as puma he would be under contract. Don't know why they would assume that stuff like this wouldn't happen, but seriously live and learn, or grab a paper and realize you need contracts.
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On July 24 2011 13:12 Apollo_Shards wrote:
So...
Does EG maybe feel like releasing an official statement sometime...
Like what is going on? Is he still going to join? Wonderful communication skills.
They'll make a statement when they sign the guy.
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On July 24 2011 06:18 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 05:51 Belial88 wrote:
I think this is awesome, I feel like EG has been really trying to grow and TSL has been a mess and acted a little too late in deciding to become more competitive.
I think Puma wants to make a name for himself, and recognizes where to do it. It's obnoxious how many people are rallying against this, some people have a dream and need to support themselves. This sort of loyalty crap is just ridiculous, obviously TSL did not treat Puma with what he needed. I think the main points that people are trying to make in the thread are: A) This is a career-killing move for Puma because EG is unable to provide an environment where he will be able to continue to grow. B) Puma was an investment on the part of TSL. He had no results of significance to show in his SC2 career until his win at NASL and after that win he subsequently ditches TSL within a matter of days. Some people are acting as if Puma was a player that was obviously amazing for a long time but was unappreciated by his team. In fact, he was someone that, until his awesome run in the NASL open and finals, had accomplished nothing particularly exceptional that would justify any sort of special treatment. C) The unapologetic and crass style of the EG management in both the acquisition of Puma and the PR mess that followed has alienated a large section of the community that puts a high premium on "manner". The general sense of disgust and contempt has been large enough that the backlash has even got people raging out at djWHEAT and threatening to boycott his show. D) Puma has every right to pursue his dreams and to be rewarded for his successes but the speed with which this all went down suggests that he was offered quick money after his first taste of success and jumped at it immediately without considering the welfare of his team or even the long-term future of his career. As has been mentioned multiple times in this thread, TSL has had some very well-compensated players (Fruitdealer, etc.). In a real business environment if an executive is being headhunted by competition or people from another industry it is standard practice in Western society to notify your employer of the offer and give them time and opportunity to counter it. Given the time-frame of this fiasco it doesn't seem like that is at all what happened (though we obviously don't know everything). The amount of juvenile speculation and platitudes from the ignorant about "how business really works" further inflames the people who are just looking for a bit of professionalism, "manner", and civility. I think that this entire situation could have been managed much more amicably, but instead we might be seeing the spark that lights the flame of KeSPA #2. There's nothing to be rejoicing about here at all.
Whatever motivates Puma to work in SC2 is good for his career. If getting the big bucks by EG is what it takes, then that's what it takes. There is nothing wrong with Puma getting what he thinks he deserves, and be compensated for what he's worth. Obviously what's at fault is how TSL treated him and the korean tournament scene - they had a good player, they didn't recognize it, and the korean tournament scene does not offer enough opportunity.
Is it possible to recognize value in a player who has never performed before NASL? No, it's probably impossible. It's a cutthroat, risky business, and TSL could have taken steps to make sure "Hm, if our player who we don't value enough smashes a foreign tournament and then is offered a predictable offer from another team, they would surely want to stay with us!"
There is nothing BM about wanting more money to provide with your family. There is a world of difference between video game etiquette and providing for your future. Don't get the two confused. People have no idea what happens behind the scenes with Puma, TSL, or EG, so don't act like you do. As far as you can see, from what we know, is that Puma left TSL for EG. Well, good for him, he performed well, and EG obviously made an offer better than what TSL could to reward him for it. I think the winner of the NASL S1 definitely deserves it.
This was definitely not a speedy decision. I'm sure both TSL and Puma were aware this could've happened. TSL treating Puma like a B class player was not right, and as I said, there was probably nothing that could've suggested to TSL they should've done otherwise (on the same note, what's to say EG didn't just buy the most expensive busboy ever?). No one really did anything wrong here, Puma just did the unexpected obviously. Puma, however, probably 'knew' all along he was A class material, and was probably unhappy with his TSL contract. I'm sure many 'B' Class players would've done the same thing.
I'm sure TSL made a better offer to Puma, and it wasn't worth it to him. I'm sure there's a lot more than just the money at issue here. However, NO ONE KNOWS, so keep your criticism until you know the facts FFS. From the sounds of the TSL coach interview though, it seems like they just 'expected' Puma to stay with them, even though they didn't encourage foreign play and they weren't going to give a better offer, and instead hope some ridiculous, *childish* concept like 'manner' would keep Puma instead of opportunity, reward for talent, and money for him to build a future.
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so much drama out of nothing i think. not liking reading these threads of ignorant people who dont really know whats going on.
anyways its puma decision to leave tsl and join eg. shouldnt blame anyone but him if you dont agree with what he did. eg didnt force him to join eg, nor did tsl have a contract with puma for him to stay.
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On July 24 2011 13:17 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 08:49 Techno wrote:
TL partners with oGs
FXO partners with fOu
coL partners with MVP
EG could have partnered with TSL, but instead chooses to pickup Puma, hurt TSL, and generate something of a PR blunder.
EDIT: Apparently the thoughts I bring up here have been already been considered, and subsequently pwnd, in this thread. My apologies.
'Now, that is a statement I almost agree with. Would have been cool if that had happened. Issue is EG doesn't want Korea Puma wants to be a foreign champion. This was actually a good move for both parties.
Just because a team doesn't want to partner with another team doesn't make them evil. EG is funded by a big company and they said that it would be quite difficult to sponsor a Korean team.
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On July 23 2011 13:42 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 13:29 IslandLife wrote:
Well if it is that easy, then why wasn't it done a long time ago? The more employees a company in Korea has, the more money they have to spend on pension, taxes, health care as mandated by law. It's a way to cut corners and save pennies. Now that they've seen a Korean kid willing to join a foreign team so quickly after his success, they see how they potentially lost out on money and sponsorships by not offering contracts.
I doubt Coach Lee is sitting in his apartment right now missing the sound of Puma's voice. He's lamenting the fact that his failing team didn't have the resources or the wherewithal to plan for something like this. He's also probably calculating how much money he can make working at the 돼지갈비 place down the street. I don't think there is much basis to accuse TSL of getting upset because they couldn't get a buyout. I don't think there has been an event before to show such actions, are there? So why didn’t you sign PuMa to a contract beforehand?At first, we wanted him on a contract, and so did the other teammates. But we did not feel it was necessary at the time since everyone showed so much passion and commitment. I trusted him, but now I am regretting my decision [to put off the contract] a little bit. from Coach Lee's interviewEdit for organization
Please reread my post. I'm trying to show the financial incentives for not having contracts, even more applicable to a failing team with no money. Korean businesses (i.e. sponsors and the businesspeople running the team) do not operate on lollipops and Eskimo kisses.
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I think this thread is stuck in an infinite loop.
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Hihi, myb Korean Teams will stop sending people cause they get highjacked by US Teams. Well in the end, its just bad manner. Same story that made me stop cheering for fnatic and now EG. 
ps: Gz EG second Player that can play for tournament wins? Or just another Failbuy and just another practise partner for Idra
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Bad move by EG cause of the Korean backlash now teams may not be able to get another Korean player
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On July 24 2011 20:19 MrCon wrote:
I think this thread is stuck in an infinite loop.
No worries, in < 3h WoC #33 will provide more fresh material to talk about.
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On July 24 2011 20:58 tadL wrote:Hihi, myb Korean Teams will stop sending people cause they get highjacked by US Teams. Well in the end, its just bad manner. Same story that made me stop cheering for fnatic and now EG. ps: Gz EG second Player that can play for tournament wins? Or just another Failbuy and just another practise partner for Idra
Don't kid yourself. When EG signs Puma, he will be their premiere player, whether or not he lives up to the hype post-NASL. Idra, and the rest of EG, have nothing on him.
Edit: Personally, I hope Puma signs, can't wait to see more of his play. And by the way, I honestly think the real reason Coach Lee is so upset is that now Puma won't be giving TSL his entire $50k prize earnings, as other TSL members seemed expected to do.
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EG didn't do anything wrong. EG was interested in signing puma and so they went to the party that had the ability to sign puma, and it this case that was puma. With teams beginning to merger or korean players joining forginer and vice versa, the korean scene and the forginer scene is beginning to blend which is a great thing for esports. The teams like TSL that have great players that just sit around unsigned are going to have to step it up and offer their players contracts that can be competitive with other teams contracts.
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I have nothing against take Pume, dont get me wrong.
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Good pickup for EG. As long as it's legal it's no problem with me, if anything it will prompt reform.
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EPT
