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i still dont understand something here...
what does a team get from its players???
for example, a baseball team pays lots of money to its players and wants to buy great players, but in return the baseball team makes a lot of money from (im not sure, where does their money come from? team products? do they make money from ticket sales??)
when it comes to pro SC:BW teams i know the real popular players like flash/jaedong have contracts and endoursement deals etc. but even the unpopular players if they are good can live in houses for free and live/play there if they are good enough but those unpopular players usually dont get paid any money i think they just are given house/food
now onto SC2 teams. i know the SCBW teams have beneficial contracts with players like bisu/flash/jaedong because of things like endorsements etc and my point is im sure the team somehow proffits from buying the players
but how do SC2 teams profit from buying a player? I dont really get it. i mean im just saying is there a economy thats there to somehow make it profitable?
im pretty sure SC2 teams dont tax their players tournament winnings, and even if they did, in order for it to be worthwhile for the player their salary would have to be so high it doesnt matter for the player and regardless taxing the players winnings would never be proffitable for the SC2 team
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From my understanding a good player gets them more sponsors, and they pay players based on what they can afford from sponsors while still making a profit.
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Wow, TSL has lost so many players. I hope they can recruit some more. TSL fighting!
Also, hope EG doesn't live up to the first word in their anem.
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Im actually going to assume all sc2 teams tax their players winnings(usually 10%) or thats how it was in cs 1.6. Also having better players, gives you more exposure(on shows, more likely to end up on stage etc) which is what sponsors want to see because they want as much exposure as possible because thats what sells products.
The higher the exposure you can give a sponsor, and the more products they sell because of it will mostly likely mean more money from sponsors.
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On July 25 2011 09:55 roymarthyup wrote:
but how do SC2 teams profit from buying a player? I dont really get it. i mean im just saying is there a economy thats there to somehow make it profitable?
im pretty sure SC2 teams dont tax their players tournament winnings, and even if they did, in order for it to be worthwhile for the player their salary would have to be so high it doesnt matter for the player and regardless taxing the players winnings would never be proffitable for the SC2 team
Good players win stuff, bringing attention to their team, which in turn brings attention to the team's sponsors... I suppose that's the idea.
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On July 25 2011 10:35 johanngrunt wrote:
Wow, TSL has lost so many players. I hope they can recruit some more. TSL fighting!
Also, hope EG doesn't live up to the first word in their anem.
Now that the Korean teams are going to sign contracts, the only danger are trades or TSL disbanding (god forbid). I think TSL has stabilized now, and their recent performance in GSTL should attract more recruits 
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Puma leaves from TSL to EG? Was he mentally challenged while he mad this choice?
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On July 25 2011 16:02 uNAware wrote:
Puma leaves from TSL to EG? Was he mentally challenged while he mad this choice?
EG is a good team, which actually pays their players.
+ Show Spoiler +P.S. love the irony in your statement. On July 25 2011 16:02 uNAware wrote:
while he mad this choice? I always think it's pretty funny when people insult the intelligence of others and typo at the same time.
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On July 25 2011 16:02 uNAware wrote:
Puma leaves from TSL to EG? Was he mentally challenged while he mad this choice?
Are you? It's easy to understand why a Korean player would want to make this choice. He wants to play in the foreign scene, and being in a Korean team doesn't allow for that.
Is it really that hard to understand?
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On July 25 2011 16:02 uNAware wrote:
Puma leaves from TSL to EG? Was he mentally challenged while he mad this choice?
Yeah what kind of idiot leaves his place of employment for one that offers more pay and benefits in the same profession?
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On July 25 2011 16:16 elbooN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 16:02 uNAware wrote:
Puma leaves from TSL to EG? Was he mentally challenged while he mad this choice? Yeah what kind of idiot leaves his place of employment for one that offers more pay and benefits in the same profession?
I guess he really is unaware.
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I think Lee tweeted that they got 6 new recruits
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On July 25 2011 16:24 SafeAsCheese wrote:
I think Lee tweeted that they got 6 new recruits
Link please.
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That doesn't mean they're any good - there are a lot of unsigned Koreans who would kill to be on a pro Korean team. Obviously they're not unskilled, but to assume that any of these six recruits will be the next DRG or Puma is a huge stretch to say the least. The free agent player pool (using "free agent" in the sense of players who aren't on teams, not players who don't have signed contracts) in Korea is pretty damn large.
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They don't have to be amazing.
The simple fact that TSL can get more recruits (if he really has) means they at least for a while won't die out.
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On July 25 2011 17:17 FairForever wrote:That doesn't mean they're any good - there are a lot of unsigned Koreans who would kill to be on a pro Korean team. Obviously they're not unskilled, but to assume that any of these six recruits will be the next DRG or Puma is a huge stretch to say the least. The free agent player pool (using "free agent" in the sense of players who aren't on teams, not players who don't have signed contracts) in Korea is pretty damn large.
Man, reading this post was like reading someone's trip. There's a plentiful pool of unsigned players in Korea, certainly much larger than in other scenes, but somehow this is a detriment to the player quality of free agents? What?
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On July 24 2011 01:08 FrankWalls wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 00:50 Zeri wrote:On July 24 2011 00:42 speedphlux wrote:
Well, I know from now on I'll be boycotting EG players when they're on a stream in a tournament. If they get featured in a show like The Day[J] Daily, I will also not watch. And I will surely think twice before the next Weapon of Choice and Live on 3 with djWHEAT.
I know that this means just -1 stream viewer, which is a drop in the ocean, but I recon there are others who think like me. what? I don't even.... whaaaaaaaaaa-? Sure, you might take TSL's 'side' in this.. (if you can even call it taking sides), and sure its ok if this left you with a little less than love for EG... but you are actively going to try and hurt them because of it? Seriously? that, sir. is hilarious. people boycott stuff all the time. it's not unreasonable or wrong. what else is he(or she) supposed to do to show distaste for EG? it's actually one of the more reasonable ways of protesting
Yes, but the thing he is protesting against is absurd.
EG asks Puma if he wants a contract.
Puma says "yes, and I'll talk to Lee".
Puma tells Lee, and leaves (before signing any contracts).
Lee shits a brick.
What exactly did anyone here do wrong, except Lee (for venting in public)?
Should Puma not take the opportunity to sign an actual contract? Should he stay on at TSL until such a time when TSL deems fit to pay him? Because of loyalty?
Maybe you don't think Puma made the right choice, and his skill level will diminish. But to boycott him and any member of his team, and any program or tournament that features any of them, because he decided to leave TSL for a salaried position in another team is absolutely insane.
At worst what he did was a social faux pas, and one that's blown out of proportion anyway.
This topic is presented with a very biased, distorted, and borderline race-baiting narrative. Western values are painted as a "dump your grandparents in a nursing home, me first, fuck loyalty and family, it's all about the Benjamins" caricature.
And Korean values are presented as pure and good, selfless, for-the-team utopia. And since this is a site where a lot of people are fanboys of everything Korean (to the point of listening to the most godawful musical shit imaginable because it's performed by hot Korean chicks), that narrative sells.
Regardless of the fact that Korean cultural values, while largely admirable, are quite demonstrably abused by Korean businessmen. People are kept subservient by painting the capitalist who's profiting off of them as a paternalistic figure, meaning that dissatisfaction with one's working conditions is morally wrong, whereas these faux elders making huge profits off of their people is ignored.
This is not a Star Trek episode. The Korean people are not a homogenous mass of identical values and social mores. For all the talk of team camaraderie and loyalty, there are just as many cases where people are mistreated, whether it be the oppressive practices of Kespa, or the downright predatory behavior we saw in the Werra scandal. Just as the West is not comprised of stereotypical BMW-driving yuppies who send their parents to the glue factory, not every Korean in a position of authority is a benevolent father figure, even if they paint themselves as such.
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On July 25 2011 17:19 SafeAsCheese wrote:
They don't have to be amazing.
The simple fact that TSL can get more recruits (if he really has) means they at least for a while won't die out.
They do have to be amazing, or at least clide, killer and whoever is left has to. TSL needs results to get sponsors and some sort of income, theyve lost too many big guns and even before that, only puma was providing results. I think TSL should act with a sense of urgency.
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