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nekuodah
England2409 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:12 dacthehork wrote: except no one is mad that Puma got signed with EG. It's how it happened. This, if anyone is angry with puma doing whats best for him its ridiculous, its just the shady under the table way that EG made the deal. | ||
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Twoinches
United States131 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:12 dacthehork wrote: except no one is mad that Puma got signed with EG. It's how it happened. they asked him and he said yes? that is what happened. he is a adult he can drink from a adult glass. | ||
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shavi
United States127 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:12 Twoinches wrote: Tonight marks one of the darker sides of e-sports. gamers angry with gamers making money and doing what they love. I think most of the backlash isn't from the money involved it's that EG went and didn't respect the korean culture, and didn't even contact the team that they were trying to get a player from. I don't think anyone is mad that PuMa left because he was offered salary, but the way EG handled getting him to leave TSL and eventually contract him. On July 22 2011 10:14 Twoinches wrote: they asked him and he said yes? that is what happened. he is a adult he can drink from a adult glass. Yes, but he had also been on a team for 10 months, and while no there wasn't a contract they made no effort to contact TSL at all outside of PuMa. You don't think there's something inherently wrong / shady with that? | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:04 Senx wrote: My god, what is up with EG constantly upsetting the community? It's the NASL effect. They do something initially that polarizes the community, pick up a lot of haters, and these haters irrationally latch on to anything they can in order to rationalize their hate. | ||
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ThePurist
Canada686 Posts
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DigitalisDestructi
United States488 Posts
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:08 travis wrote: lol ppl here are so naturally competitive here everything needs to have a clear winner and loser. Did AG win? Did Milkis win? WHO WON DAMNIT!! ESPORTS won of course. | ||
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Teoyaomqui
Sweden326 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:11 eggs wrote: yea, his entire final thoughts just highlighted Western views and being ignorant of how esports is treated in Korea. the whole "im putting on my American tinted glasses and ignoring Korea here... I want the best Koreans to play on American teams" thing was a huge wtf. Yeah, especially considering what Milkis had said about korean mentality. Was he even listening?  | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:11 dacthehork wrote: Fox News style debate, loving it. Now bring up KSNBC with Coach Lee ranting for 30 minutes on how evil EG is and ESPORTS has made it. I lol'd hard at this. Milkis' main problem is that Alex is a professional business man dealing in a marketing environment. He's really much, much better at this type of stuff. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:15 ThePurist wrote: What's Alex's username again? I wanna leave feedback :o EGAlex i think he said? | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:15 ThePurist wrote: What's Alex's username again? I wanna leave feedback :o EGAlex | ||
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dcsoda
United States583 Posts
I can completely understand TSL being upset but that does not give them the right to go on record with apparently false information. I wouldn't underestimate the importance of TL to the scene as a whole either, stuff posted here carries a lot of weight. I'm just wondering but do people here want the two separate SC2 scenes: Korea and everywhere else? With the more global popularity of SC2 and the popularity of the Korean players I don't see how they plan to prevent this sort of merging happening and its something I think will be awesome to see Koreans on other teams, if you want the foreigners to begin taking the game and training more seriously is there a better way to do it than this? | ||
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Takezou
United States320 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:14 nekuodah wrote: This, if anyone is angry with puma doing whats best for him its ridiculous, its just the shady under the table way that EG made the deal. Don't think anyone is angry with Puma. Most comments regarding him specifically are in full support. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:13 InvalidID wrote: The point is what they were not giving him: a salary. They may have been providing a training environment, but EG is offering a training environment and a salary. Its not EG's fault that TSL is either unwilling or unable to compensate their players properly. "training environment" is pretty laughable. If EG was serious they would have their team actually training instead of traveling doing casting / streaming shows etc. They could have had a training house up 8 months ago if serious. Fact is the koreans are ahead of the game and instead of doing it themselves they simply tried to poach players. After Puma that wont work with korea contracting every player. IN sc:bw / sc2 the level of competition is high enough you need a fully supported training house, you can't get compete with teams that have them. | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:14 shavi wrote: I think most of the backlash isn't from the money involved it's that EG went and didn't respect the korean culture, and didn't even contact the team that they were trying to get a player from. I don't think anyone is mad that PuMa left because he was offered salary, but the way EG handled getting him to leave TSL and eventually contract him. Yes, but he had also been on a team for 10 months, and while no there wasn't a contract they made no effort to contact TSL at all outside of PuMa. You don't think there's something inherently wrong / shady with that? Korean culture aside, what Garfield said is true. If you don't have your players on contract, then there's always the risk of losing them. At the end of the day, business is a field of sharks and manners and respect don't always matter. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
SCII players in the State of Texas aren't allowed to play or have any coverage outside of it? Then all the sudden someone from Oklahoma comes over says hey I have a contract and you can play everywhere, not just Korea, and you'll have the backing of one of the biggest E-Sports teams out there. So the player runs off and can play in events in the other 49 states finally! But the statewide scene would be best off being segragated from Texas. Jesus. | ||
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:15 ThePurist wrote: What's Alex's username again? I wanna leave feedback :o EGalex - I sent him a PM, curious to read his answer  | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:13 zev318 wrote: same could be said of the korean scene? "imma expect the western world to learn every little detail of how korean esports work and ignore how things work outside korea cause we own these players with non written contracts" what? the korean SC2 playerbase and fanbase know how important foreigner tournaments are. why do you think startale, ogs, slayers, and more and more teams are making huge efforts to make the game truly global? | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:16 zoLo wrote: Korean culture aside, what Garfield said is true. If you don't have your players on contract, then there's always the risk of losing them. At the end of the day, business is a field of sharks and manners and respect don't always matter. Doesn't mean you can't dislike EG for doing it. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:15 dacthehork wrote: "training environment" is pretty laughable. If EG was serious they would have their team actually training instead of traveling doing casting / streaming shows etc. They could have had a training house up 8 months ago if serious. Fact is the koreans are ahead of the game and instead of doing it themselves they simply tried to poach players. After Puma that wont work with korea contracting every player. streaming and stuff is how u make money from sponsors. do u think sponsors would pay shit if they never got exposure other than live events every 3 months? maybe that is why no korean sponsors pay the teams, cause they dont get them enough exposure | ||
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