• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:57
CEST 14:57
KST 21:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)46Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) [D] Wireframe Casting Removed Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) Etiquete rules in Asl? Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8490 users

Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 272

Forum Index > SC2 General
7189 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 270 271 272 273 274 360 Next
chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5421
Great, now the racists come out of their holes again... *rolleyes*
http://twitter.com/lechocopaw
Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5422
On July 22 2011 09:42 Greatness wrote:
If Puma liked TSL's offer, he wouldn't have been interested in joining EG. 'Nuff said. TSL doesn't offer enough for him.

Puma is just greedy lol, TSL doesn't offer as much money as EG apparently.
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5423
On July 22 2011 09:42 babylon wrote:
So, Puma is going to be leaving Korea?


For international tournaments, yes.
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5424
Jeez why is a translator debating someone in charge of a P&L? This "debate" is so one-sided.
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5425
On July 22 2011 09:41 BroOd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:40 PhyreHazard wrote:
why does the international scene matter -Milkis

wtf, of course it matter. Western esport/player are just as relevant as koreans.


why does the international scene matter (in the context of what I'm talking about)? -Milkis


"Why does the international scene matter (in the context of what I'm talking about when an international team is about to contract a Korean player)?" - Milkis
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5426
On July 22 2011 09:42 Longshank wrote:
I wish this would have been on SotG instead. Wheat and WoC is in bed with EG, that's no arena for a proper discussion on this matter.


Thats not the problem at all here. AG seems a lot better at public speaking than Milkis and it shines through.
Dead girls don't say no.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5427
I said this earlier, it's very much possible for EG to arrange some form of partnership with a Korean pro-team to practise with while he is in Korea.
Barkziee
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom138 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5428
On July 22 2011 09:40 PhyreHazard wrote:
why does the international scene matter -Milkis

wtf, of course it matter. Western esport/player are just as relevant as koreans.


I don't care - Garfield (in a quote somewhere within the last 10 years)

owait context matters
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5429
On July 22 2011 09:42 Longshank wrote:
I wish this would have been on SotG instead. Wheat and WoC is in bed with EG, that's no arena for a proper discussion on this matter.


sadly this is true, as much as i love wheat but his dickriding on eg is kinda annoying sometimes
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5430
On July 22 2011 09:41 Yew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:40 seiferoth10 wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:39 Yew wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:37 thanhbao86 wrote:
You guys need to understand Asian cultures (Korean in this case) first before pulling out the no-contract crap. That does not work in Korea. Try to understand that please.

I think this is what Milkis is trying to say. In Korea, not many teams do this kind of thing while EG have done this many times before.

Any who's fault is that? They know by Rain, foU, and Oz that Korean players are subject to foreign interest.

I mean Korean teams don't "poach" players from other teams.

What I'm saying is that they knew foreign teams are looking at Korean players, shouldn't they figure out that there are different cultural standards, and protect themselves as well as their players?
SharkSpider
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada606 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5431
My business sense tells me that if TSL wanted the reward for their risk, they needed to risk offering the guy a salary and a contract instead of letting him hang around the house.

That said, teams are more than just financial entities, so this does look a little bad.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5432
On July 22 2011 09:39 Porcelina wrote:
If EG's intention was to grow in Korea, was it not a massive oversight not to actually make the effort to contact TSL before PuMa talked to his coach? If you want to grow infrastructure in Korea, to access that playerbase and to make contacts as AG has stated repeatedly, do you not think that what you did is counter-productive to this concern?


Because, once again, EG handed out business cards, and Puma took the discussions further. At most, EG should have said "we'll be handing out business cards", but that would be rather silly. The moment when Puma decided to go further with the discussion is when someone probably should have been contacted, but the onus there was really on Puma, rather than EG shutting the door in his face until they'd told Mr. Lee.

After that, Puma made it clear that he wanted to talk to Mr. Lee himself.

So once again, should EG be expected to tell all the Korean teams that they'll be handed out business cards?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5433
On July 22 2011 09:39 Porcelina wrote:
If djWHEAT did his job as a journalist there is one question that must be asked:

If EG's intention was to grow in Korea, was it not a massive oversight not to actually make the effort to contact TSL before PuMa talked to his coach? If you want to grow infrastructure in Korea, to access that playerbase and to make contacts as AG has stated repeatedly, do you not think that what you did is counter-productive to this concern?

Honestly, I do not blame EG in this matter at all. But this is full of empty words.

Or maybe they asked Puma what he thinks they should do, he says ill talk to my coach, coach says its cool, coach flips out, no chance for eg to talk to them yet.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5434
On July 22 2011 09:42 babylon wrote:
So, Puma is going to be leaving Korea?


To me it sounds like they will fly him out a few weeks prior to a major event to practice with EG

But otherwise they will let him practice in korea (afaik)
Maruprime.
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5435
On July 22 2011 09:39 Porcelina wrote:
If djWHEAT did his job as a journalist there is one question that must be asked:

If EG's intention was to grow in Korea, was it not a massive oversight not to actually make the effort to contact TSL before PuMa talked to his coach? If you want to grow infrastructure in Korea, to access that playerbase and to make contacts as AG has stated repeatedly, do you not think that what you did is counter-productive to this concern?

Honestly, I do not blame EG in this matter at all. But this is full of empty words.


He already answered this question - Puma himself told EG that he wanted to talk to the Coach BEFORE EG did. Also, there's nothing wrong with talking to players or even explaining to them that you're looking for Korean players for your team. They weren't planning to sign there, or even go into more detail with Puma, but Puma requested more details.

Everyone who is mad at EG needs to be mad at Puma - simple as that. Also, Coach Lee has blown this entire thing out of perspective, and has spawned hate mongers on this thread, which is absolutely disgusting. People need to stop being ignorant pieces of shit, and actually LISTEN, instead instantly assuming that Alex Garfield is only trying to make the situation sound better.

I'm so sick of reading all of this stupid shit. Please don't post if you're just going to say "Oh, he's just trying to spin words so he sounds like the good guy." FUCK OFF.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5436
On July 22 2011 09:41 BroOd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:40 PhyreHazard wrote:
why does the international scene matter -Milkis

wtf, of course it matter. Western esport/player are just as relevant as koreans.


why does the international scene matter (in the context of what I'm talking about)? -Milkis

Because professional SC2 does not exist entirely within the context of South Korea like it did with BW.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#5437
On July 22 2011 09:39 Porcelina wrote:
If djWHEAT did his job as a journalist there is one question that must be asked:

If EG's intention was to grow in Korea, was it not a massive oversight not to actually make the effort to contact TSL before PuMa talked to his coach? If you want to grow infrastructure in Korea, to access that playerbase and to make contacts as AG has stated repeatedly, do you not think that what you did is counter-productive to this concern?

Honestly, I do not blame EG in this matter at all. But this is full of empty words.


They talked to Puma. Puma said he'd do the communication with the TSL. Puma told EG that the conversations went well. TSL Coach Lee didn't seem to take it so well.

There's definitely a cultural aspect to this.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2011 00:44 GMT
#5438
On July 22 2011 09:42 InvalidID wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:37 getSome[703] wrote:
LET HIM TALK AG

You run your company in a manner aimed to poach players who aren't contracted? That's what I got from AG's two minute ramble


That sounds like a well run company to me. Why would you not poach under-compensated talent if it is available and you have the need for it? It is just standard operations for most companies, and it benefits employees at the cost of employers who do not compensate their employees sufficiently.


This, awesome.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Grimsong
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
July 22 2011 00:44 GMT
#5439
On July 22 2011 09:42 marvin. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:41 Grimsong wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:40 PhyreHazard wrote:
why does the international scene matter -Milkis

wtf, of course it matter. Western esport/player are just as relevant as koreans.



This.

And you wonder why EG has Puma on the way.



Everyone seems to quoting this, but I think milkis was interrupted by djwheat before he was even able to make his point. He wasn't really saying the international scene doesn't matter - that would be just ignorant. He was rather talking about the korean culture and trying to help Alex understand why the way they approached Puma created the uproar that it did.


Your saying he isn't saying the international scene doesn't matter, because the fact that the international scene doesn't matter is just the perspective Korea has as a culture.

What?
Krikan
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway520 Posts
July 22 2011 00:44 GMT
#5440
I just feel that EG should have contacted bloody TSL and shown some more respect for how shit's been running in korea for like forever. And when they didn't, they should have said sorry, or admitted to it being a mistake. This is of course with no knowledge of how their 15 month korean hunt has been, but don't think I'll get any info about that anytime soon.

The rest is just a hell of a lot of bullshit really. Milkis has a view that supports the korean way, while AG sees shit from the corporate viewpoint.
Naniwa on making the MLG finals: Uh, it's ok.
Prev 1 270 271 272 273 274 360 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
12:00
Summer Cup 2026 - Group A
WardiTV552
LiquipediaDiscussion
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #105
CranKy Ducklings49
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko488
Rex 105
BRAT_OK 94
MindelVK 40
RushiSC 23
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7420
Rain 2668
Shuttle 1835
Jaedong 1189
firebathero 913
BeSt 772
Mini 661
Hyuk 462
Horang2 428
Larva 219
[ Show more ]
Rush 211
hero 205
Stork 184
ZerO 166
Last 147
Hyun 105
Pusan 83
Sharp 79
JulyZerg 77
ggaemo 73
Killer 64
Mong 54
JYJ 43
ZergMaN 41
Free 41
sorry 37
soO 35
Shine 33
Aegong 28
Movie 28
HiyA 20
yabsab 15
Hm[arnc] 15
Barracks 10
IntoTheRainbow 9
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
Purpose 7
Noble 7
Icarus 4
NaDa 1
Dota 2
Gorgc6722
XcaliburYe230
League of Legends
Doublelift2804
Counter-Strike
byalli1336
allub362
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor56
Other Games
gofns22636
singsing1909
B2W.Neo830
RotterdaM199
XaKoH 139
ZerO(Twitch)11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2536
BasetradeTV174
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP58
• musti20045 20
• epiclan17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2801
Upcoming Events
Epic.LAN
3m
IPSL
3h 3m
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
20h 3m
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
21h 3m
OSC
1d
IPSL
1d 3h
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
1d 22h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.