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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:47:39
July 22 2011 00:44 GMT
#5441
Sir Scoots is the CEO and team manager of Team Evil Geniuses. After leaving GotFrag, he joined forces with Marcus 'djWHEAT' Graham and Rod 'Slasher' Breslau on a show called Live on Three. He was approached by Alex Garfield to help run Evil Geniuses. Two years later, he has helped to continue the growth of the ESPORTS scene with the introduction of OneMoreGame. He is still a host for Live On Three.


Alex Garfield is on his own platform X_X

This is more one-sided than meets the eye. Is DJWheat contracted by EG? I wish this was going down somewhere else, with some proper representation of the other side.

edit: now he's trying to turn it around on Milkis -_--- jesus
RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
July 22 2011 00:44 GMT
#5442
After watching WoC I feel more like EG wasn't in the wrong since it is bad business to have guys on a team that aren't signed and to me that means they are fair game. Just making promises verbally can't cut it imo, its nice and everything but at the end of the day being nice doesn't always pay off. Interesting show today, seems like they strayed way to far on the international vs Korea model stuff though as far as growing the game more, since its not the main topic. Either way if the Koreans have that same outlook as "why does internation scene matter" like was mentioned that is a really asshole way to see things. Just my two cents. :/
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 22 2011 00:44 GMT
#5443
On July 22 2011 09:42 Darkong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:38 EchoZ wrote:
"why does the international scene matter"

That kicks the bucket..

Yeah, Milkis kinda shot himself in the foot big time with that comment.


He said it in terms of the conversation. Gosh you guys are sounding like F level journalists by quoting this. No offense but he didn´t claim that the Foreign scene was unimportant as far as the whole SC2 scene is concerned.
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Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
July 22 2011 00:44 GMT
#5444
So PuMa is not contracted by EG yet? He is teamless?
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Greatness
Profile Joined May 2011
United States450 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:45:14
July 22 2011 00:44 GMT
#5445
On July 22 2011 09:43 Yew wrote:
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On July 22 2011 09:42 Greatness wrote:
If Puma liked TSL's offer, he wouldn't have been interested in joining EG. 'Nuff said. TSL doesn't offer enough for him.

Puma is just greedy lol, TSL doesn't offer as much money as EG apparently.

Greedy in what way? Would you take a 3% raise, or a 6% raise at your job? You mean not stupid, then sure, he's "greedy". He wants to be compensated for his gameplay.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
July 22 2011 00:44 GMT
#5446
Oh god, he said he plans to have Puma train at the EG team house.

Hahahahahahahahaha, RIP Puma's career. Poor guy is going to get so frustrated after the first week of trying to train with EG.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
July 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#5447
In my opinion, what EG is doing is forcing the SK sc2 community and leaders to head towards a more closed, kespa kind of situation. Which... is the opposite of what most people want.
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Lipski
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:46:45
July 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#5448
On July 22 2011 09:41 BroOd wrote:
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On July 22 2011 09:40 PhyreHazard wrote:
why does the international scene matter -Milkis

wtf, of course it matter. Western esport/player are just as relevant as koreans.


why does the international scene matter (in the context of what I'm talking about)? -Milkis


because this eg guy only know how international scene works. so he approached puma like he would any other non-korean player

i don't think he meant any disrespect.
actually xeris posted earlier that approaching players and saying "we are interested in you" is something he as a team manager is okay with.
"i'll just train hard and win the next one"
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
July 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#5449
On July 22 2011 09:43 Yew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:42 Greatness wrote:
If Puma liked TSL's offer, he wouldn't have been interested in joining EG. 'Nuff said. TSL doesn't offer enough for him.

Puma is just greedy lol, TSL doesn't offer as much money as EG apparently.

I dont think progamers are paid enough yet that you can honestly say that looking for more money is "greedy"
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VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
July 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#5450
WTF Milki's, why should foreign teams tip toe around Korean culture. Maybe Korean teams should recognize the incoming wave of contract signings and protect themselves.
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
July 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#5451
Why does the international scene matter when an international team talks directly to a player in the Korean scene instead of talking to the Korean team management?

Answer: it doesn't
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Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
July 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#5452
People who call players who switch teams for more money, greed, are the biggest hypocrites ever. Anyone would change firms if jobs paid more. I wish this "reasoning" would die.
Dead girls don't say no.
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
July 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#5453
i think puma made a good choice to leave tsl as they were kinda falling apart but EG? i think he would be better served to have joined another team, i dont think he will get the practice he needs ...
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
July 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#5454
On July 22 2011 09:44 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sir Scoots is the CEO and team manager of Team Evil Geniuses. After leaving GotFrag, he joined forces with Marcus 'djWHEAT' Graham and Rod 'Slasher' Breslau on a show called Live on Three. He was approached by Alex Garfield to help run Evil Geniuses. Two years later, he has helped to continue the growth of the ESPORTS scene with the introduction of OneMoreGame. He is still a host for Live On Three.


Alex Garfield is on his own platform X_X

This is more one-sided than meets the eye. Is DJWheat contracted by EG? I wish this was going down somewhere else, with some proper representation of the other side.

No Dj wheat isn't contracted by EG. The think is that Milkis really isn't an expert on the subject.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#5455
On July 22 2011 09:31 Grimsong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:30 OrderlyChaos wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:29 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:28 thedz wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:26 Fionn wrote:
I think people are overlooking at how the Korean players won't meet their full potential if they leave Korea. Do you think Puma will get better in North America with worse training partners and the North American server? No, he won't.


From what AG alluded to earlier on the show, it seemed that EG was considering forming something inside of Korea -- maybe even the mythical Korean EG house. Either way, I don't think its probable that EG is getting Koreans without considering the effect that training and practice has on them.


They're building an infrastructure to handle good Korean players.


Just like they built infrastructure to handle Idra in Korea?


Boom.


They figured out it was going to take longer, so they brought Idra home. Some things just take times.
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
July 22 2011 00:46 GMT
#5456
On July 22 2011 09:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Hahahahahahahahaha, RIP Puma's career. Poor guy is going to get so frustrated after the first week of trying to train with EG.

he will get a pretty good TvZ =)
Bazinga
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany132 Posts
July 22 2011 00:46 GMT
#5457
From a legal perspective i do not think EG did anytihng wrong, but if you are approaching this matter from a moral perspective shouldn't it have been important to recognize that PuMa and TSL were the stakeholders affected by this transfer? If that is the case, why was it difficult to contact the TSL Coach and tell him, hey Mr. Lee we are interested in PuMa, we are going to start negotiations with him? From that point onwards TSL could have voiced their opinions on that matter and they wouldn't be faced with a player leaving their team without having any say in it?
marvin.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States469 Posts
July 22 2011 00:46 GMT
#5458
On July 22 2011 09:44 Grimsong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:42 marvin. wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:41 Grimsong wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:40 PhyreHazard wrote:
why does the international scene matter -Milkis

wtf, of course it matter. Western esport/player are just as relevant as koreans.



This.

And you wonder why EG has Puma on the way.



Everyone seems to quoting this, but I think milkis was interrupted by djwheat before he was even able to make his point. He wasn't really saying the international scene doesn't matter - that would be just ignorant. He was rather talking about the korean culture and trying to help Alex understand why the way they approached Puma created the uproar that it did.


Your saying he isn't saying the international scene doesn't matter, because the fact that the international scene doesn't matter is just the perspective Korea has as a culture.

What?


Alex has been stating that he feels the entire situation and reaction from korea has been exaxggerated. YES, the international scene doesn't matter when you don't understand the "overreaction" coming from the KOREAN side of the table.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
July 22 2011 00:46 GMT
#5459
AG attacking milkis.. wow
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 22 2011 00:46 GMT
#5460
Milkis is just a translator...
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