What do the pros earn and how? - Page 6

On May 03 2011 15:02 Chill wrote:

I agree. So berating the curious doesn't add anything.

On May 03 2011 14:15 Sokalo wrote:
I just recalled something that hasn't been brought up. White-Ra commented that he got a job because there was just no way he could support a family as a progamer. I don't know if he stuck with that though since he still seems to be pretty damn active.

But that's coming from freaking WhiteDuckload-Ra, who's skill and marketability aren't easily matched.

On May 03 2011 15:36 Holcan wrote:

Gaming isnt a career path, some people have been lucky enough to have it fall into their laps, but very few people who are pros set out to become a pro when they first started playing their game.

Michael Jordan was supposed to become a baseball player, with luck and timing a basketball was placed into his hands and history was forged.

Mauer could have become a NFL 3rd or even 2nd string QB, but instead focused on baseball and now has one of the best careers in the MLB.

The fate of winners is but on a whim, and the mere flapping the wings of a butterfly may be forever altering the future of winners to come.

On May 03 2011 15:13 Duravi wrote:


I don't agree with this in some cases. For instance, MKP's parents did not like him playing SC2 so much and discouraged him from it, but once he was able to start making decent money from it and they saw that, they changed their attitude. If people outside the community can see that there is a possibility for individuals to make good money in SC2 it helps to fight against negative attitudes about gaming and encourages more people to become interested in the community.

I disagree.

The very tip top 1% make enough money to live off of.

Then you have half THAT percent that make a wealthy living off of this game.

What job market would you want to enter where 1% of the people make a living off that money? It's false advertising.

On May 03 2011 15:46 iNcontroL wrote:

But that is beyond the point. I was stating that I am uncomfortable with a bunch of people speculating on the income of progamers based off a bunch of false information or tid-bits they got from a yt video or some dude's coaching rate.

On May 03 2011 15:53 Duravi wrote:


I would argue many sports are the same. What percent of the people who play bball or football in high school are actually able to make a career out of it? That doesn't stop people from trying and teams hyping how much they pay.

On May 03 2011 08:06 Drlemur wrote:


Note: I'm pretty sure they aren't earning as much as they should. For the amount of entertainment they are providing us, I'd like to see these guys get paid like pro athletes --- the people running & casting TL, NASL, etc., should also be getting paid a living. Is it happening yet? If not, I hope it happens soon.

On May 03 2011 15:46 iNcontroL wrote:


I disagree.

The very tip top 1% make enough money to live off of.

Then you have half THAT percent that make a wealthy living off of this game.

What job market would you want to enter where 1% of the people make a living off that money? It's false advertising.

But that is beyond the point. I was stating that I am uncomfortable with a bunch of people speculating on the income of progamers based off a bunch of false information or tid-bits they got from a yt video or some dude's coaching rate.

I am even further displeased with admins somehow painting me the villain and telling me I am "berating" people or PM'ing me and telling me I am not welcome in the thread (IntotheWOw)

really gross tbh

On May 03 2011 15:53 Duravi wrote:


I would argue many sports are the same. What percent of the people who play bball or football in high school are actually able to make a career out of it? That doesn't stop people from trying and teams hyping how much they pay. To be fair a wealthy living off of SC2 and a wealthy living off of pro sports are pretty far apart, but I put that more on esports being a very recent thing while those pro-sports have been established for much much longer.

On May 03 2011 16:01 Inori wrote:

You're still missing the point that nobody gives a damn about how much exactly do you personally make. People speculate because nobody gives them reliable estimates.

By all means chase the dream and go for it. I am obviously not one to say don't. But saying progamers having their earnings made public so kids can make the argument to their parents that they CAN earn a living playing this game all day is not a good argument imo.

You really going to stand behind that?

On May 03 2011 15:59 JesusOurSaviour wrote:



or you could just help all the speculators by being a kind person.

Let's say someone asked me "How much do interns, residents and accredited registrars earn in Australia? How much do Consultants earn? Whats the pay-grade differences between Public and Private Healthcare?"

I can happily give an estimate to all of those questions without exposing my own pay-grade. People like to know because people are curious. Some want to know before they start practicing hardcore to attempt to become a pro-gamer.

At the same time, I can understand that it is a social taboo to ask about salaries. I never asked how much my friend's dad was earning as a Engineer in high-end management. But yea - it's not hard to just let speculators know an estimate. Withholding information makes you look like an awesome guy

On May 03 2011 15:57 iNcontroL wrote:


Correct. But you wouldn't look your mom in the eye while watching an NFL game and go "Well I've decided I know what I want to do for a living! I'm going to be that 1% that makes it to the NFL!"

Or maybe you do. But they know you won't make it.

By all means chase the dream and go for it. I am obviously not one to say don't. But saying progamers having their earnings made public so kids can make the argument to their parents that they CAN earn a living playing this game all day is not a good argument imo.

You really going to stand behind that?

On May 03 2011 16:05 iNcontroL wrote:


But there in lies the problem. There is no standard pay / salary for a player. Some players earn more on a team some earn NOTHING but travel/gear. Some players sell themselves out and advertise/represent sponsored gear. Some players coach (most). Some stream (most) and are partnered but at different scales/rates. All this information is personal to the player. Each player exists in a tedious existence where their team salary is under NDA for obvious reasons as well as their stream revenue. Players who do other activities and get paid for it are told not to share...

Beyond ALL that it's just plain rude. There is a reason there isn't a lot of information on progamers salaries aside from the big big dogs in korea making 100's of thousands of dollars (boxer etc).

So when a thread sparks up where it is fun to talk about other people's money sure, I get that. I think it would be fun too. But when people are interpreting things like "well idra charges 300$ that must mean he gets LOTS of coaching!" or where this thread COULD go (and for some already has) where people start speculating on how much I get for casting NASL or Day9 gets per event... nothing good can come of it. I understand the conversation. I truly do. But just watch where this goes.. you think it will be "oh wow, good for him! I hope he is doing awesome." Or do you think it will be "he prob gets nothing cause he sucks LOLOLOL" or "he is overpaid and hasn't won anything recently."

The natural post to follow mine here is to say I am insecure and worried those flames will be directed at me. If anything is true know this: I am more than comfortable taking the brunt of the criticism.

In any case I can see it isn't really interesting to have me telling you guys this is lame and invasive. I will leave you all to it <3

On May 03 2011 16:05 iNcontroL wrote:


But there in lies the problem. There is no standard pay / salary for a player. Some players earn more on a team some earn NOTHING but travel/gear. Some players sell themselves out and advertise/represent sponsored gear. Some players coach (most). Some stream (most) and are partnered but at different scales/rates. All this information is personal to the player. Each player exists in a tedious existence where their team salary is under NDA for obvious reasons as well as their stream revenue. Players who do other activities and get paid for it are told not to share...

Beyond ALL that it's just plain rude. There is a reason there isn't a lot of information on progamers salaries aside from the big big dogs in korea making 100's of thousands of dollars (boxer etc).

So when a thread sparks up where it is fun to talk about other people's money sure, I get that. I think it would be fun too. But when people are interpreting things like "well idra charges 300$ that must mean he gets LOTS of coaching!" or where this thread COULD go (and for some already has) where people start speculating on how much I get for casting NASL or Day9 gets per event... nothing good can come of it. I understand the conversation. I truly do. But just watch where this goes.. you think it will be "oh wow, good for him! I hope he is doing awesome." Or do you think it will be "he prob gets nothing cause he sucks LOLOLOL" or "he is overpaid and hasn't won anything recently."

The natural post to follow mine here is to say I am insecure and worried those flames will be directed at me. If anything is true know this: I am more than comfortable taking the brunt of the criticism.

In any case I can see it isn't really interesting to have me telling you guys this is lame and invasive. I will leave you all to it <3

On May 03 2011 16:05 iNcontroL wrote:


But there in lies the problem. There is no standard pay / salary for a player. Some players earn more on a team some earn NOTHING but travel/gear. Some players sell themselves out and advertise/represent sponsored gear. Some players coach (most). Some stream (most) and are partnered but at different scales/rates. All this information is personal to the player. Each player exists in a tedious existence where their team salary is under NDA for obvious reasons as well as their stream revenue. Players who do other activities and get paid for it are told not to share...

Beyond ALL that it's just plain rude. There is a reason there isn't a lot of information on progamers salaries aside from the big big dogs in korea making 100's of thousands of dollars (boxer etc).

So when a thread sparks up where it is fun to talk about other people's money sure, I get that. I think it would be fun too. But when people are interpreting things like "well idra charges 300$ that must mean he gets LOTS of coaching!" or where this thread COULD go (and for some already has) where people start speculating on how much I get for casting NASL or Day9 gets per event... nothing good can come of it. I understand the conversation. I truly do. But just watch where this goes.. you think it will be "oh wow, good for him! I hope he is doing awesome." Or do you think it will be "he prob gets nothing cause he sucks LOLOLOL" or "he is overpaid and hasn't won anything recently."

The natural post to follow mine here is to say I am insecure and worried those flames will be directed at me. If anything is true know this: I am more than comfortable taking the brunt of the criticism.

In any case I can see it isn't really interesting to have me telling you guys this is lame and invasive. I will leave you all to it <3