EPTAnd to the argument, oh but they do what they love, living the dream life is shallow. Do doctors or teachers not love what they do? Or at the least, do something of more value to society?
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pHelix Equilibria
United States1134 Posts
And to the argument, oh but they do what they love, living the dream life is shallow. Do doctors or teachers not love what they do? Or at the least, do something of more value to society? | ||
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Drlemur
United States153 Posts
.2 cents per viewer per ad on Justin or Youtube is good to know, though. Husky is probably doing ok. I'm going to go watch Huk now and help him earn some Korean beer money. | ||
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IamAnton
Canada335 Posts
On May 03 2011 08:16 Holcan wrote: good pros: 50k-100k a year normal pros 30-50k a year north american pros : as much as mcdonalds pays, or less. A couple of years ago that would likely be true, but With StarCraft 2 and a much larger E-Sports scene in North America and Europe its alot better then that and still growing. | ||
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jester-
Canada547 Posts
On May 03 2011 14:16 r3d33m3r wrote: i like the way incontrol approaches this. and lol at destiny i don't believe he makes 60k a year. my personal guess is for people like tlo, huk, idra, that they get 1000-2000$ per month as salary, some tourney winnings here and there (don't forget that the same player doesn't win many tournaments, all tha tprize pool money is distributed between many people who constantly battle at the top) and some bonus money for stuff like showmatches, an ad here or there, hardware marketing etc. so ye. i'd also say that there is a HUGE difference between people like Boxer for korea or IdrA for the us, not to talk about the broodwar top 10 players. idra for example makes much more than the "average" pro, leaving it only a nice income for the very few top players. saying stuff like HD or husky make alot is just something to be laughed at, what are they doing besides gerneating tons of views on youtube? they get a couple of thousands in a year. Tasteless and Artosis are doing very well obviously, casting such a big tourney like GOM and doing all other small stuff adding up, Day9 comes right after them. many pros in europe are from the eastern states and guess why? cause you need only very little amount of euros(like 350€) to live there(hello to Empire.Kas, dimaga), and with these hundreds of Go4SC2 cups in a week they can win lots of tournament, in their cases it's not the salary, but the tourney winings Eh I dunno man.. I remember seeing a youtube income estimator created by a guy that was a partner on youtube and Husky was pulling in ~$700 / day when the banelings song was newish. I can't see any pro's coming into the thread and saying "I make x amount of dollars / month" or anything similar. I just hope that the players that do pull in a decent amount declare it on their taxes.. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On May 03 2011 08:33 Kvothe wrote: Quit talking out of your ass, you have zero clue. LOL You said what we are all thinking. | ||
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EMCL
United States71 Posts
incontrol, in the last year alone, has over 1k hours of coaching (says he tries to avg 5 hrs a day, 5 days a week? perhaps I just made that number up but I think I heard it somewhere) which would be 25 hrs a week. we'll say he takes off 4 weeks a year total (on the upside) that'd be 48 weeks a year. 25 * 48 = 1200 hours a year. (that's on the low low side). ATM he offers 1 hr for 80 dollars, with bulk deals and such. Yet he used to only charge 20-25 so we'll avg it all out to 35 (AGAIN ALL ESTIMATIONS ON THE LOW SIDE) this would mean that he's making 35 * 1200 = 42000 a year ONLY on coaching. That excludes EG salary, any tournament/showmatch wins, any NASL revenue, any streaming revenue, etc. edit: say I'm completely wrong about the hours/amount he charges, so we'll half the hours this year to 600 and up the pay to 50 avg per hour, that'd still be 30000 only on coaching. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On May 03 2011 14:27 IamAnton wrote: A couple of years ago that would likely be true, but With StarCraft 2 and a much larger E-Sports scene in North America and Europe its alot better then that and still growing. A year and a half ago, my estimates for professional RTS players outside of Korea would be non-existent, this is very modest. This would be pro gamers from Europe and North America, of course. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On May 03 2011 12:52 youngminii wrote: boxer's a special case because he's 'the face of starcraft' and he'll get paid a lot more for advertisements and sponsorships etc. i know for a fact that a certain pro makes 30k/year off sponsorships alone which isn't that much You are either a rich kid or just a kid to say that 30k a year isn't a lot.  | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:53 iNcontroL wrote: There is no way to come off as good talking about how much you make playing sc2. And it's just not a good idea. I agree. So berating the curious doesn't add anything. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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Joementum
787 Posts
On May 03 2011 14:16 r3d33m3r wrote: i like the way incontrol approaches this. and lol at destiny i don't believe he makes 60k a year. my personal guess is for people like tlo, huk, idra, that they get 1000-2000$ per month as salary, some tourney winnings here and there (don't forget that the same player doesn't win many tournaments, all tha tprize pool money is distributed between many people who constantly battle at the top) and some bonus money for stuff like showmatches, an ad here or there, hardware marketing etc. so ye. i'd also say that there is a HUGE difference between people like Boxer for korea or IdrA for the us, not to talk about the broodwar top 10 players. idra for example makes much more than the "average" pro, leaving it only a nice income for the very few top players. saying stuff like HD or husky make alot is just something to be laughed at, what are they doing besides gerneating tons of views on youtube? they get a couple of thousands in a year. Tasteless and Artosis are doing very well obviously, casting such a big tourney like GOM and doing all other small stuff adding up, Day9 comes right after them. many pros in europe are from the eastern states and guess why? cause you need only very little amount of euros(like 350€) to live there(hello to Empire.Kas, dimaga), and with these hundreds of Go4SC2 cups in a week they can win lots of tournament, in their cases it's not the salary, but the tourney winings Speaking of people talking out of their ass... You would be dumb to believe Husky, HD and TB aren't making a lot of money off of Youtube. They get paid about $2 per 1000 ad impressions on the low side. Husky, on average, gets 200k-300k views per video he posts. Granted, not all of those views have ads, but let's just say only 100k viewers get ads. In that case, he's making $200 off of that video. He posts about 9-10 videos a week. They do make a lot of money on YouTube. That's why they focus so much on it. People like ShayCarl and KassemG work full time on their YouTube channels for a reason. It's hard as hell to get known, but it really pays off if you put a lot of work into it. Assuming Husky or HD only make $200 a day (which is so damn low), they would make $73k a year. I wouldn't be surprised if they're making more than $100k a year already. If they are even half smart with their money, they should be set for life in just a few years considering their income just keeps going up and up. They still have a few more years before the SC2 hype dies down. HOTS is going to revive SC2 a bit and then the last expansion will revive SC2 interest again. These next few years are probably going to be the years they make the most money in so they should be prepared. http://www.businessinsider.com/rising-youtube-stars-2011-1# This is a nice article to just point out. Our man Day9 is on there  . Although the numbers are probably a bit inflated, it's still something to think about. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
There is no way to come off as good talking about how much you make playing sc2. And it's just not a good idea. I don't agree with this in some cases. For instance, MKP's parents did not like him playing SC2 so much and discouraged him from it, but once he was able to start making decent money from it and they saw that, they changed their attitude. If people outside the community can see that there is a possibility for individuals to make good money in SC2 it helps to fight against negative attitudes about gaming and encourages more people to become interested in the community. | ||
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applejuice
307 Posts
On May 03 2011 08:14 CrazyCow wrote: Do note though that they get money for ad clicks on their stream, not views. That's how almost all advertising works. no. Do you perhaps use an ad-blocker? This is a common excuse given by people who use ad-blockers...but it is entirely false. It was true on the internet circa 1998, but not so much today. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
On May 03 2011 15:13 Duravi wrote: I don't agree with this in some cases. For instance, MKP's parents did not like him playing SC2 so much and discouraged him from it, but once he was able to start making decent money from it and they saw that, they changed their attitude. If people outside the community can see that there is a possibility for individuals to make good money in SC2 it helps to fight against negative attitudes about gaming and encourages more people to become interested in the community. Unless the pay is so low that it truly wouldn't entice anyone. We know what top Korean players can make but the vast majority of Korean pros and foreign players probably aren't making much money at all. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
On May 03 2011 14:06 Inori wrote: A. It sure did sound like it. B. I didn't say you were holding it back, but you sure don't help it grow by saying "Wow you people are clueless, but I'm not helping you out either, just stating you're clueless!". C. Ok. About being rude and whatnot - nobody asked iNcontroL or Destiny or IdrA or whoever directly how much exactly is he making. Maybe, just maybe, some people want to know how much money they could potentially generate if they pursue pro-gaming. Would you consider it to be rude if asked "How much can software engineer earn?". I definitely wouldn't feel offended by such a question and could answer it with a good estimate without giving away my own salary. I agree with this post. I think it's reasonable that people want to know how much a "typical" pro can make. Like it or not, money is an important (but not the only) factor when choosing a career path. | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On May 03 2011 12:33 Kvothe wrote: Incontrol is probably like but I only make 15k a year guys, and 90% of that is from casting NASL, no way anyone else can make any money. I don't know exactly how much he makes, but if you looked at how much he coaches there's no way he's only making 15k a year. I also know a few other people who are coaching 3-4 hours a day for $20-25/hr, which would amount to about 20k a year from that alone. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On May 03 2011 15:27 Azzur wrote: I agree with this post. I think it's reasonable that people want to know how much a "typical" pro can make. Like it or not, money is an important (but not the only) factor when choosing a career path. Gaming isnt a career path, some people have been lucky enough to have it fall into their laps, but very few people who are pros set out to become a pro when they first started playing their game. Michael Jordan was supposed to become a baseball player, with luck and timing a basketball was placed into his hands and history was forged. Mauer could have become a NFL 3rd or even 2nd string QB, but instead focused on baseball and now has one of the best careers in the MLB. The fate of winners is but on a whim, and the mere flapping the wings of a butterfly may be forever altering the future of winners to come. | ||
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Flaunt
New Zealand784 Posts
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manicshock
Canada741 Posts
On May 03 2011 08:18 seffer wrote: No... I'm almost sure it's for views. Why streamers tell people to turn off their ad blocker if it wasn't the VIEWS that earned money? Someone who takes the time to install an ad blocker isn't going to click on an ad anyways. And someone could just click on an ad 10000000 times to get money. Money per viewer makes more sense. Ads on sites generally work both ways, however a lot of the by click ones pay more per click rather then the ones per view. Why would they mention anywhere that goes by click to turn off adblockers if not for hoping people would both view and click on the ads? | ||
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DotADeMoN
United States517 Posts
Destiny makes around 50-60k/year (he's said this in chat before) and that is for a streamer that spends 10+ hours/day streaming to 3k+ viewers. I doubt anyone makes more off streaming sc2 than him, so to say people are getting rich off this is highly doubtful. Jtv ads paid by views, NOT BY CLICKS, and are $2 per 1000 viewers, so 3k viewers = $6 per commercial (assuming no adblock). I guess if Idra streamed more, he could theoretically get around $15-20 per commercial and make a really good living off that. | ||
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