EPTWhat do the pros earn and how? - Page 7
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
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JesusOurSaviour
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On May 03 2011 16:15 samuraibael wrote: Why do you think its rude incontrol? I know that is the general opinion, especially in america, but why is talking about salary so taboo? I have never understood the reasoning behind this. Perhaps people worry that if it is too low it makes them appear worthless? In a way, it's a very private matter. Money is something intensely sought after in society and it's related to image, greed, success, in life social status. For some reason it's on the same level of taboo as whether or not you've visited prostitutes in the past year, or information on whether you've slept with the girl your best mate has married. We live in a broken society - there are all kinds of secrets for various reasons. | ||
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JesusOurSaviour
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On May 03 2011 16:17 yawnoC wrote: Most people don't like to tell other people how much they make. That is a social norm. Most of the time people do not want to know how much someone makes just for "data" its for criticisms. Sure you would say "I am not coming from there" but this is a public forum and some people will. It is honestly just better to drop it OR don't make crazy leaps based off coaching. etc. like incontrol pointed out. Asking about how much someone makes is akin to asking women how much they weigh, how old they are, or WORSE speculating about it. Yes your example is a lot better than mine re: sexual habits : ) Nice analogy | ||
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Mise
Finland580 Posts
On May 03 2011 15:42 FawkingGoomba wrote: Aside from salaried players like Idra, FXO, or very top europeans, I doubt anyone is making more than your typical 9-5 job. To say that people are making more than 100k/year is ridiculous. MC and NesTea have made 100k+ already, from price moeny alone and it hasn't even been a whole year. MVP will probably join them soon along with maybe MarineKing and FruitDealer. It wouldn't even be impossible for MC to make 200k in the first year of SC2. | ||
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Agh
United States1042 Posts
On May 03 2011 16:05 Golgotha wrote: but what if we don't give a crap about becoming a pro-gamer and simply just want to know how much you guys make. we are just curious and want to know. we are not going to use this information to persuade mother and father, or in any other ill manner. we just want to know how much you guys make...so maybe we can donate if you guys give us a low number  Then read the posts in this thread. Salary information is supposed to be kept private. And not only that it should be a no-brainer to keep it private save the efforts of ways to keep it enforced because surely enough someone will use it as a dick measuring tool. the tl;dr version you want has already been said in this thread. A combination of salary, stream, coaching, winnings(cut), and/or endorsement/sponsors. You're not going to get somebody to formulate a response to giving you their earnings from every source totaled up all nice and neat for you. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On May 03 2011 15:52 shadymmj wrote: Other than in Korea going pro is one of the worst things you can ever do in your life - along with those hardcore master league players with over 5k games played and still nothing to show for it...I swear they play for at least 5 hours a day and spend an additional 2 hours or so reviewing and finding strategies. Look at Greg Fields, the biggest American superstar...18k in winnings over a year (about), maybe if you included a nice salary package of 25k and perhaps fringe coaching/donations/whatever of 2k (because seriously who pays couple hundred bucks for lessons), that comes up to 45k per year, that's about the average American GDP/capita. Very optimistic calculations. Except that he probably won't be able to do this as a long-term career, as there's probably a burnout around age 32~ like most athletes suffer - an age when most counterparts are climbing the corporate ladder. The bottom line is that youth-dependent superstars need to be making at least about 100k a year in their prime to insure their future. I hear Greg is pretty smart, though, so he can at least complete some kind of degree in the future and start up an ordinary career. In that sense his situation is actually pretty alright, not due to e-sports, but because of his academic ability. Now, how about those that aren't able to attend college? I'd say close to 100% of the players who makes it in competitive gaming are smart enough to get a degree... we just choose not to | ||
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Nashty
Canada15 Posts
On May 03 2011 16:15 samuraibael wrote: Why do you think its rude incontrol? I know that is the general opinion, especially in america, but why is talking about salary so taboo? I have never understood the reasoning behind this. Perhaps people worry that if it is too low it makes them appear worthless? to be honest, I don't know why it is taboo. but if someone asked for mine, they'll come across as rude....wierd...just is man. its a personal thing, that other people don't have business or reason to know | ||
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rkffhk
474 Posts
Ryan Bingham: You know why kids love athletes? Bob: Because they screw lingerie models. Ryan Bingham: No, that's why we love athletes. Kids love them because they follow their dreams. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On May 03 2011 15:57 iNcontroL wrote: Correct. But you wouldn't look your mom in the eye while watching an NFL game and go "Well I've decided I know what I want to do for a living! I'm going to be that 1% that makes it to the NFL!" Or maybe you do. But they know you won't make it. By all means chase the dream and go for it. I am obviously not one to say don't. But saying progamers having their earnings made public so kids can make the argument to their parents that they CAN earn a living playing this game all day is not a good argument imo. You really going to stand behind that? Well I honestly don't see anything wrong with that, if someone is going to aim for the top, he should at least kind of know what the rewards will be, no need to put the exact numbers, just something realistic someone can expect from going pro (not #1 in the world pro, more like top 50) | ||
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5unrise
New Zealand646 Posts
On May 03 2011 08:16 Holcan wrote: good pros: 50k-100k a year normal pros 30-50k a year north american pros : as much as mcdonalds pays, or less. What's your evidence? Or just reasoning even? Don't just pull numbers off your ass and expect people to believe | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
The border between progamer and amateur doesn't seem clear to me, and therefore it is hard to judge how much a progamer actually makes. As Incontrol stated some only get travel and gear, this while others make much more money appearently. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
just something realistic someone can expect from going pro (not #1 in the world pro, more like top 50) That is what I'm arguing, i see no reason for teams not to release something like an average salary across their active players. If asked a team manager, say Scoots, "will you tell me the average pay your players make, and if not why will you not release that number?" I fear I would get no response. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On May 03 2011 16:22 ROOTFayth wrote: I'd say close to 100% of the players who makes it in competitive gaming are smart enough to get a degree... we just choose not to one of the things we learn at university (and is common sense really) is not to make an assertion without statistical evidence backing it up. note that "100%" is pretty much a generalisation. (how close?) | ||
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Loooui
Sweden348 Posts
On May 03 2011 15:02 Chill wrote: I agree. So berating the curious doesn't add anything. I sincerely disagree. Why not talk about it? I am pretty sure that people who are thinking about going pro have no idea what kind of salary that can be expected, or what kind of work that pays most, which leads to less new players taking the "risk" to go pro. And it is also hard for a new player to know if his contract is fair or not. Openness is always better than "not talk about that" in my opinion. It would be better for the pro players to know what other players earn and from what. It would benefit the growth of the "Starcraft market" in the long perspective and make it a more competitive environment. | ||
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SpaceToaster
United States289 Posts
On May 03 2011 16:37 shadymmj wrote: one of the things we learn at university (and is common sense really) is not to make an assertion without statistical evidence backing it up. note that "100%" is pretty much a generalisation. (how close?) I'd assert that it is pretty dang close to 100%, progamers are some of the most hardworking people around, and if I've learned anything from the two times I've failed out of college, its that a degree is almost completely about hard work (there are many many people who were not as bright as me that were much much more successful... then again that they knew enough to try their hardest might prove that they're smarter than me ). On topic, if as many progamers have decided to pursue gaming rather than a conventional career as already have, it must pay enough to be worthwhile. Possibly not as much as a degree require field does ($60k+) but enough that its worth trading salary to do what you love for a living, and shouldn't that be enough? | ||
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Etra
81 Posts
On May 03 2011 16:05 Golgotha wrote: but what if we don't give a crap about becoming a pro-gamer and simply just want to know how much you guys make. we are just curious and want to know. we are not going to use this information to persuade mother and father, or in any other ill manner. we just want to know how much you guys make...so maybe we can donate if you guys give us a low number Maybe they do not want to for personal reasons and you should shut the fuck up. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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DONTPANIC
United States340 Posts
Though I am a Freight Train conductor. | ||
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Etra
81 Posts
On May 03 2011 16:51 DONTPANIC wrote: I think people curious about how much streaming makes is okay. Sheth is quoted saying on his stream in response to the question: "Nothing yet but I hope to make more". So there is that. I personally make $75,000.00 a year. + Show Spoiler + Though I am a Freight Train conductor. Viva Las Vegas? Who cares. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On May 03 2011 16:26 5unrise wrote: What's your evidence? Or just reasoning even? Don't just pull numbers off your ass and expect people to believe a year of managing a sponorship seeking sc2 team 2 years of managing a sponsor seeking wc3 team 5 years of administrative work on the semi professional level in wc3, so I was in constant contact with players like Empire.Kas, Thorzain, etc. I dont care if you believe me or not, but my numbers are the closest you are going to get in this thread. | ||
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