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TedJustice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1324 Posts
September 12 2010 08:17 GMT
#21
On September 12 2010 17:15 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 17:03 Wargizmo wrote:
On September 12 2010 16:57 TedJustice wrote:
On September 12 2010 16:43 Sfydjklm wrote:
how can zergs start winning once they figure out how to open safely if zerg 200/200 is inferior to every other race by a large margin?

They'll figure out ways to not let their opponent get to 200/200, if that's what it takes to win. They'll also probably figure out more neat tricks like the muta magic boxing, etc. that will give them smaller edges in battles.


Yeah In BW a Terran 200/200 beats a Protoss 200/200 but that matchup is still pretty balanced.

I still think T is a little overpowered in Sc2 though.

So zerg has to figure out something protoss and terrans already know about zerg?
How to not let a zerg get to 200/200.
The problem is that zerg is dominated in all aspects of the game.

Right now they are, but give it time and some genius will figure something out.
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
September 12 2010 08:18 GMT
#22
So Day9 is waiting for the expansion to "create solutions to the problem."

How incredibly inspiring... :\
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SoJu.WeRRa
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)820 Posts
September 12 2010 08:20 GMT
#23
Nice interview!~
나를 찢어갈겨이씨발놈아왜나를미치게만들어니가뭘아는데?
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
September 12 2010 08:21 GMT
#24
interesting, lets see if he's right.


when isn't he right?
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-12 08:23:10
September 12 2010 08:21 GMT
#25
edit: to darwin i forgot to quote:

ur disappointed that an incredibly complex strategy game isnt balanced by the first month of release?

day9 is saying 1: players will find solutions as time progresses and the game develops, this will contribute some to the balance of the game.

2:any fundamental flaws can be changed with patches and expansions.

both of these sum up to: patience is a virtue. i would think that sc1 fans have that virtue
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-12 08:24:09
September 12 2010 08:23 GMT
#26
On September 12 2010 17:17 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 16:43 Sfydjklm wrote:
how can zergs start winning once they figure out how to open safely if zerg 200/200 is inferior to every other race by a large margin?
That logic actually brings a lot more concern than relief because once protoss/terran figure out good macro builds with harrassment options the imbalances will manifest themselves even worse.

And also wc3 is a horrible example of blizzard knowing how to balance a game;(

have you watched bw?

terran has the best 200\200 army ez. by a large margin. the other races have to do cutesy shit all the time.

+15 attack upgrade for siege tanks by 3\3? holy fucksickle.

have you watched BW? What exactly in SC2 is in any way similar in power to muta and swarm?
Or scourage?
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
September 12 2010 08:24 GMT
#27
On September 12 2010 17:23 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 17:17 ShaperofDreams wrote:
On September 12 2010 16:43 Sfydjklm wrote:
how can zergs start winning once they figure out how to open safely if zerg 200/200 is inferior to every other race by a large margin?
That logic actually brings a lot more concern than relief because once protoss/terran figure out good macro builds with harrassment options the imbalances will manifest themselves even worse.

And also wc3 is a horrible example of blizzard knowing how to balance a game;(

have you watched bw?

terran has the best 200\200 army ez. by a large margin. the other races have to do cutesy shit all the time.

+15 attack upgrade for siege tanks by 3\3? holy fucksickle.

have you watched BW? What exactly in SC2 is in any way similar in power to muta and swarm?


ugh muta in sc2 as well as fg and banelings are really good.

are you real?
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
September 12 2010 08:25 GMT
#28
do you even get how long it took in bw for ppl to clump mutas and to use dark swarm well?
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
September 12 2010 08:25 GMT
#29
I lol'd at 0:50. Perfect reaction, hahah.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 12 2010 08:26 GMT
#30
On September 12 2010 17:24 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 17:23 Sfydjklm wrote:
On September 12 2010 17:17 ShaperofDreams wrote:
On September 12 2010 16:43 Sfydjklm wrote:
how can zergs start winning once they figure out how to open safely if zerg 200/200 is inferior to every other race by a large margin?
That logic actually brings a lot more concern than relief because once protoss/terran figure out good macro builds with harrassment options the imbalances will manifest themselves even worse.

And also wc3 is a horrible example of blizzard knowing how to balance a game;(

have you watched bw?

terran has the best 200\200 army ez. by a large margin. the other races have to do cutesy shit all the time.

+15 attack upgrade for siege tanks by 3\3? holy fucksickle.

have you watched BW? What exactly in SC2 is in any way similar in power to muta and swarm?


ugh muta in sc2 as well as fg and banelings are really good.

are you real?

Yes all those things exist in SC2. They are however but a shadow of their former selves.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
sirius89
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany45 Posts
September 12 2010 08:27 GMT
#31
Hahahah "BAAAAM i answered the shit out of this question" made me laugh so much. xD
One of the funniest guy's on mother earth.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-12 08:28:53
September 12 2010 08:27 GMT
#32
On September 12 2010 17:25 ShaperofDreams wrote:
do you even get how long it took in bw for ppl to clump mutas and to use dark swarm well?

Yea, because people were largely less experienced with RTS and esports mechanics back then.
Its not a fair comparison.

And again if this attitude is indeed applicable what was up with all the beta zerg nerfs even though people like Jinro and Tester have shown us ways to play to even the battlefield against zerg?
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
September 12 2010 08:29 GMT
#33
I said:
On September 12 2010 17:18 _Darwin_ wrote:
So Day9 is waiting for the expansion to "create solutions to the problem."


And you said:

On September 12 2010 17:21 ShaperofDreams wrote: ur disappointed that an incredibly complex strategy game isnt balanced by the first month of release?


I'm not sure how the two relate.

To clarify: I'm not disappointed in the imbalance. I'm disappointed in Day9 refusing to acknowledge the imbalance.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 12 2010 08:31 GMT
#34
On September 12 2010 17:09 boprandem wrote:
Day[9] for president of USA!

hahaha Soooooo many people said this lol (including me )
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
September 12 2010 08:41 GMT
#35
I think he's right about the balance thing. Many games balance themselves out over time, unless there is a huge issue. So Blizz is right to make minor changes instead of just changing the game completely for no reason.

Also, someone said that Day9 isnt very credible in sc2, and they'd rather listen to IdrA about balance? Ever considered IdrA might be very biased, seeing as he plays Zerg? If i was a pro Zerg player i'd just say that every other race besides my own was OP, why wouldnt I? Better race = more $$.

Day9 is one of the most credible guys when it comes to balance, imo.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
September 12 2010 08:41 GMT
#36
The best answer ever for all the imbalance issues. "Go figure out how to win." It's such a simple yet completely correct way of answering all of these people who want drastic change the moment they feel something is imbalanced.

Could sc2 be better? Yeah and it will be. But until then I'd really like to see more players ask "how can I win?" instead of "When is this going to be nerfed?" I guess I am just crazy like that.
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terranghost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States980 Posts
September 12 2010 08:45 GMT
#37
On September 12 2010 17:27 sirius89 wrote:
Hahahah "BAAAAM i answered the shit out of this question" made me laugh so much. xD
One of the funniest guy's on mother earth.


agreed
"It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it." - Thomas Sowell
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
September 12 2010 08:46 GMT
#38
On September 12 2010 17:27 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 17:25 ShaperofDreams wrote:
do you even get how long it took in bw for ppl to clump mutas and to use dark swarm well?

Yea, because people were largely less experienced with RTS and esports mechanics back then.
Its not a fair comparison.

And again if this attitude is indeed applicable what was up with all the beta zerg nerfs even though people like Jinro and Tester have shown us ways to play to even the battlefield against zerg?

look at the games played in modern tournaments.

even winners of entire tourneys had: queens, nexi, cc's full of energy. 1 control group syndrome. unit composition flaws (aka not adding tech in late game and just repeating their midgame) People are still learning to use late game casters. and i like mutas in sc2 even more then i like them in bw.

also barely any previous pros play sc2 now, and no top pros.

how can you make any of those claims until seeing a jaedong or a flash, hell even a fire bat hero play the game. even washed up players and b-teamers dominate most "pros" right now.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-12 08:57:48
September 12 2010 08:57 GMT
#39
On September 12 2010 17:46 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 17:27 Sfydjklm wrote:
On September 12 2010 17:25 ShaperofDreams wrote:
do you even get how long it took in bw for ppl to clump mutas and to use dark swarm well?

Yea, because people were largely less experienced with RTS and esports mechanics back then.
Its not a fair comparison.

And again if this attitude is indeed applicable what was up with all the beta zerg nerfs even though people like Jinro and Tester have shown us ways to play to even the battlefield against zerg?

look at the games played in modern tournaments.

even winners of entire tourneys had: queens, nexi, cc's full of energy. 1 control group syndrome. unit composition flaws (aka not adding tech in late game and just repeating their midgame) People are still learning to use late game casters. and i like mutas in sc2 even more then i like them in bw.

also barely any previous pros play sc2 now, and no top pros.

how can you make any of those claims until seeing a jaedong or a flash, hell even a fire bat hero play the game. even washed up players and b-teamers dominate most "pros" right now.

I have thoughts regarding that too, which are probably obvious to you too but you ignore them, however if that is the case answer my question. How were zerg nerfs warranted but terran nerfs arent.
It was fairly balanced in the beta before zerg got nerfed to shit with only Dimaga soundly dominating and most protoss terran taking the morrow approach of "imma macro like a madman for 2k games, screw harassing zerg"
Meh.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
September 12 2010 08:58 GMT
#40
Lately balance is pretty much the only discussion I see in any thread. I hope the interviewer wouldn't ask that question :f Kinda obvious but still, now this thread is going to grow bigger only because of the imba talks.
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