Day[9] interview at WCG - Page 9

On September 13 2010 07:09 Terrakin wrote:

That doesn't make sense, 2 emps sure could get like 10 templars(if in ball), but saying it can get an entire toss army is just stupid. And storms are amazing against marines, not so much marauders.

On September 13 2010 07:00 Ballistixz wrote:



u mad bro?

emp is a AoE insta cast skill with a pretty decent range. u can get 5+ templars with one emp. feed back cannot compare. u need to indivually select each ghost and u will have to decide on rather to feed back or to storm. in that amount of time 1 ghost can fuck over every single Templar u have.

in other words, terrans dont have to micro. they press w/e the fucking hotkey is for emp and click on a group units/temps. anyone can do it. with feed back you have to manually select each ghost and that can be hard if the ghosts are cloaked and you better have a damn high APM.

also feed back in general is not as good as storm, so most protosses opt for just storming a army rather then taking the wasted time to find ghost and feed backing them in a army.

so if it all comes down to "who gets there spells off faster" terran will come ahead every time against toss. like i said emp=insta cast+AoE. and the AoE isnt at all small. usually u can get a entire toss army emped with just 2 emps. and as for storm? well, im zerg and i can easily dodge storms with hydras OFF creep. so how easily do u think stimmed marines/marauders will dodge storms?

/end of conversation.

IdrA has made many claims as to why the ZvT MU is imba.

On September 13 2010 08:14 SubtleArt wrote:


nu i iz not mad broooooooo. Just emphasizing it by bolding because I find it really weird how much people complain about everything, no matter what.

Also, your argument is completely shortsighted. Theres plenty of ways for protoss to minimize EMP damage, like not having every single unit in 1 control group, dispersing HT throughout your army, preemptively feedbacking ghosts, sending an observer ahead of your army to check for cloaked ghosts, etc etc.
I think EMP can compare pretty well to Storm in its nature (point + click and you do damage). And lol you really think protoss has it rough because they have to "manually select each ghost"? Wow, that's such a high level of micro. Ever played brood war?

Finally your "storm > feedback" argument is stupidly shortsighted. What if 2 feedbacks result in 2 ghosts being unable to drain the shields of half your army and the energy of one or 2 of your templars? I think this benefit far outweighs the damage a single storm would do.

As for your "i can dodge" argument...well storm casts so fast that its impossible to fully dodge it. That and don't dismiss a protoss who actually knows how to spread his storms well. Even when you do react well you've still taken a lot of damage, and often forced Terran to waste time moving rather than shooting, and forcing him away from the favorable position he had his units in (like breaking a Terran's concave). You see theres more to this game than "this does damage, this does more damage, this stops that from doing damage". Maybe if you weren't a noob or weren't so close minded you'd understand.

Don't worry though, im not bad bro. Emotion is pretty hard to detect on the internet so refrain from making knee jerk assumptions, bro.

/commence conversation

On September 13 2010 11:01 Ballistixz wrote:


this post made me realize how much u do not know.

stop trying to get around the fact that emp is a skill that INSTANTLY reduces 100 shields/takes away energy/makes immortals harden shield worthless. shields pretty much account for part of a toss HP. and for most toss units that means half there health is instantly gone.

compare that to storm that does 80 dmg over a period of time that u can easily maneuver out of. you said it yourself, a toss cant just throw a storm and call it a day. they need to carefully place there storms and need to throw down multiple storms for it to take effect. terran on the other hand only need to click a fucking button and point and the dmg is INSTANTLY dealt.

oh ya and lets not forget that storm has a shorter AoE radius then EMP.

so yes, you are still wrong. ghosts in a army easily cripple a toss if used well just like my argument suggests. more so then storm or feed back against terran. especially since most of the time medivacs are going to be low on energy and ghosts will get off emps before temps can get off a feed back on them since last time i checked, emp has a larger skill range them feed back on top of it being a aoe.

you are also ignoring the fact that feed back costs energy. if u use feed back then that templar will be unable to storm for awhile unless u saved up some energy on it before hand. but if u wait to have enought energy to feed back and storm then u delay pushes. and if ur warping in temps with the amulet upgrade u will only just barely have enought for ONE storm. so watch what happens if you try to feed back and waste energy that you could have otherwise used for a extra storm.

On September 12 2010 17:02 Damnesiac wrote:
So who do i listen to... Day[9].. hasn't won anything in sc2 really, and supposedly barely plays at all, OR players who were better than him in sc1 and are far better than him in sc2 with more knowledge. I like day9 in sc1 because he had credibility and experience to back up whatever you said. In sc2 he is just some sort of master of extrapolation with no evidence what so ever. IdrA gives solid reasoning for all his points and his predictions in every field have super accurate results. Not only that but many top level players including some terrans agree that there is imbalance. I guess I am just too demanding of people who make pretty ballsy claims when there arguement is ' We are going to see this happen then this happen and then this will happen '

On September 13 2010 03:54 ThE_ShiZ wrote:

Only reason idra is winning is because half the T's ive seen arent even that good, just your average diamond terrans.

On September 13 2010 21:15 attackfighter wrote:


high templar are cheaper than ghosts and you can warp them in anywhere on the map, so despite what you think it's much easier for the toss to spam storm than it is for the ghosts to neutralize them (especially if the toss puts a modicum of effort into splitting the templars apart...).

storm is also deadlier since terran units clump up more, have lower health and have to expend an additional 10 health on stimming and running. Even if you do dodge a storm, most of the marines will die and the remaining units will drain medivac energy for healing. And if you mix force field in and feedback the medivacs suddenly you're doing tons more damage that the terrans not going to be able to heal.

another thing to note is that protoss only has to micro their casters to win a battle. it benefits them if they target fire, but it's not going to kill a player if he's not skilled enough to do so properly. compare that to terran, who has to carefully dispense stims, kite zealots, dodge storms, focus fire robo bay units and keep medivacs from suiciding, and suddenly you find a lot more difficulty on the Terran side of micro.

I play random quite a lot, and I find protoss caster micro sooo much easier to execute than the clunky and unforgiving terran micro. I am of course a mediocre player, 700 point Diamond in SC2 and D- in Brood War, so by no means do my experiences reflect an imbalance between the races. What they do show is that players like me (99% of the game's userbase probably) will likely find toss easier to win with than terran, in TvP atleast. Asides from my own experiences, it's interesting to note that in Korea toss is considered the easiest race, and that toss is generally played more both on ladder and in tournaments - these reinforce my own opinions

What they do show is that players like me (99% of the game's userbase probably) will likely find toss easier to win with than terran, in TvP atleast

On September 12 2010 17:02 Damnesiac wrote:
So who do i listen to... Day[9].. hasn't won anything in sc2 really, and supposedly barely plays at all, OR players who were better than him in sc1 and are far better than him in sc2 with more knowledge. I like day9 in sc1 because he had credibility and experience to back up whatever you said. In sc2 he is just some sort of master of extrapolation with no evidence what so ever. IdrA gives solid reasoning for all his points and his predictions in every field have super accurate results. Not only that but many top level players including some terrans agree that there is imbalance. I guess I am just too demanding of people who make pretty ballsy claims when there arguement is ' We are going to see this happen then this happen and then this will happen '

On September 13 2010 22:34 Yeld wrote:
To all those claiming that Day9 is an idiot for not talking about the same imbalances people like Idra like to point out:
I am a huge Idra fan and I think the balance issues he sees might be quite real. STILL the answer Day9 gave in that interview stems from the only mindset that will help you improve and enjoy the game. Even if there are imbalances, complaining about them will only lessen your enjoyment of the game and nothing else. However, taking the tools given to you and learning to use them in the best way possible is fun, challanging and ultimately rewarding.

This is the type of zerg QQ that is the most deplorable.

On September 14 2010 02:13 Ballistixz wrote:first off yes, a templar is cheaper then a ghost as a unit on its own. but you are forgetting all the tech u need to even make a templar useful. ghost only need the ghost academy. thats a measly 150 minerals and 50 gas. after that ghosts come with emp right out the box. no need to research it or anything else. so the total investment for a ghost with emp is 300 minerals and 200 gas.

lets look at templars with storm. you need 400 minerals and 550 gas for a templar with storm. and if you try to make any kind of timing push with the templars u might need the amulet, so add 150 minerals and 150 gas to that. see how expensive that is now? and guess what, a ghosts moebius reactor is CHEAPER THEN the templars amulet as well even tho they both give THE EXACT SAME EFFECT. so in the long run a templar is much much more expensive then a ghost. most terrans will easily have ghosts out before the toss have templar and storm tech out for any kind of timing push.

also you keep saying how you need to micro with force fields, feed back, storm placement, etc but u find that easier then terrans EMPing? i dont get it.

ghosts: press the EMP button, click on the army, profit.

Templar: press the storm button, use force fields so they will have a harder time dodging the storm, have multiple storms out so u can place "perfect" storms rather then crap storms that are easily dodgeble(oh and lets not forget that storm has a short cool down, emp does not. so you will need extra templar to get off back to back storms where as terrans dont need that many ghosts for emp). all the while making sure your entire clump of templars AND ur army stays safe from the emp itself.

that is heavy micro compared to what the terran has to do. and if you call "kiting" micro then you should go back to playing those small time MMOs to where u hit and run mobs with your slow down skill to lvl up...

protoss are alot more micro intensive with there casters and units then terran is. if a terran can stim up and 1 A to victory then they just kite all day with marauders and do Shift click drops from one base to the next.

also i really would love to know whats so unforgiving about terran micro. and dont say "cuz i get my medivacs fedbacked". unless you really want to feed back 10-20 medivacts that are usually on half health or lower anyway cuz of the healing anyway. so good job, u wasted 50 energy to do 20 dmg to a unit, but hey u might get lucky and reduce its health to half. better yet, good luck even TRYING to feed back them in the first place since terrans usually have medivacts on top or behind there army, making feed backing useless and near impossible against medivacs anyway. but go ahead. try to do it and let ur temps get sniped off like a tard.

you ppl toss aroud the feed back idea as if its plausible but i bet none of you actually tried it against a competent terran. not to mention how fucking short of a range feed back has in the first place. and why the fuck would u try to do that at all? its a MUCH better idea to feed back point defense drones or ravens. something i never see toss do because there to busy trying to be cute jack offs. "herp derrp, most of my stalkers atks are useless now because of the defense drone so ima go ahead and continue feed backing and storming medivacs and run my stalkers away"

no reason to waste feedback on something like a medivact that u most likely wont get to without dying rather then a PDD. but ppl like u would of course rather feed back medivacts and reduce there health to half (forget the fact that scvs can repair right?) and let something like PDD fuck you over in the end. but im done with the feed backing rant.

but i have no idea why im arguing with a person that made up a sentence like this in there post.


ya, i would LOVE to know where u got that 99% statistic from.

This is the type of zerg QQ that is the most deplorable.

On September 14 2010 07:43 Half wrote:
Hai guys, instead of comparing Ghosts versus HTs which is entirely futile because certain people can't get past there victimization complexes, lets pretend what would happen if Ghosts didn't exist.


HTs get storm.

Bio dies.

The end.

On September 14 2010 07:45 ltortoise wrote:


...What?

I don't generally use ghosts in TvP, even when Templars are in play, because I don't feel that ghosts are an effective counter at all... It's way too reactive, since the toss chooses when and where to engage with templar, and almost always will get those key storms off.

I counter storm just by having lots of stuff