Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 797

On April 19 2011 00:06 PetRockSteve wrote:


http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-dallas-starcraft2-champ.html

Pool B: Ret 1-3
Then lost to Huk in round 5 of the losers bracket.

On April 18 2011 23:52 gnutz wrote:
Ret wasn't there and as a European i don't consider Sheth, Machine and Slush big names, sorry.


DONT YOU SEE THAT THE ZERGS IN THESE LITTLE TOURNAMENTS ARE ALSO COMPLETELY UNKNOWN ZERGS??? For god's sake, of course Idra could win a little tournament, but if there is a tournament where two players less trained than Idra clash and the Zerg wins, it proves that they can win.
And dare you to say "these Zergs must have a much higher skill than their opponents therefore." thats dumb.

On April 19 2011 00:13 Jiddra wrote:
How does Blizzard balance Starcraft 2?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmz6sWVl2Z0&feature=player_detailpage#t=149s

Oh, community feedback is a source of balance information for blizzard...

On April 19 2011 00:16 Logo wrote:
One thing that's really pissing me off about the counter whine or whatever is that people are totally ignoring the fact that the Zerg race is the tighest knit and most organized community out of all three races and I can say that with no doubt or lack of confidence.

Just look at http://wellplayed.org/channel/top 3/5 top streams are Zerg players. Players like Destiny and Spanishiwa who have no real big tournament accolades still remain on the top of the list beating out players like Tyler, Huk, Jinro, and TLO. MrBitter's has exploded on to the scene because people were ravenous for his content and have been incredibly happy to support his efforts and now he's also on the 1st page of wellplayed's top streams and on a team. Even when he's not coaching he still pulls in good viewer numbers from what I've seen.

You can almost always tell who a Zerg player is going to root for, it's gonna be the Zerg who is playing. Moreso than any other race it seems like Zerg's are loyal to anyone who plays their race. No matter how much I like how Select, Jinro, or other P/T players play, if they're facing a Zerg I'm rooting for the Zerg even if it's a Zerg player I don't like.

Look at the strategy forums! The Zerg strategy posts are everywhere and overflowing with replies. Spanishwa's strategy has 645 posts in 19 days. His thread averaging 9,723 views a day. His thread ALREADY has more views than the incredibly popular iEchoic TvT strategy and that was posted in feb. and is still an active (front page) thread.

Why do you think Zerg players post so much in the LR threads when zergs play? Because we care!

Basically to everyone who's saying Zerg's don't try, or we just whine, or anything like that: fuck off. The Zerg community is way better than whatever race you play. Hell it's probably the reason a lot of people still play zerg.

On April 19 2011 00:14 zeru wrote:

I think he means that you cant compare players like sheth slush machine to players such as kiwi socke huk select sjow nani tyler. Just like you cant compare gretorp agh mihai to those.

On April 19 2011 00:24 MrCon wrote:

I agree with everything, but there's a big point you seem to miss.
In terran and protoss strategy threads, people are helping each other, refining the builds, even the seemingly dumb ones are tried and sometime very good things are coming out of them. People are posting a lot of replays.
If you read zerg threads, you'll see a bunch of theorycraft saying that the build is useless.
Perhaps it's not as clear cut, but as you cited the spanishiwa and the iechoic thread, I urge you to read both and see for yourself.

(as I said, I agree with the rest of the post)

On April 19 2011 00:25 Zinjil wrote:


If that's what he means then he's wrong and based on even just the previous MLG results the players I listed bested some of the players they're supposedly not in the same league as.

On April 19 2011 00:16 Logo wrote:
One thing that's really pissing me off about the counter whine or whatever is that people are totally ignoring the fact that the Zerg race is the tighest knit and most organized community out of all three races and I can say that with no doubt or lack of confidence.

Just look at http://wellplayed.org/channel/top 3/5 top streams are Zerg players. Players like Destiny and Spanishiwa who have no real big tournament accolades still remain on the top of the list beating out incredible players like Tyler, Huk, Jinro, InControl, and TLO. MrBitter's has exploded on to the scene because people were ravenous for his content and have been incredibly happy to support his efforts and now he's also on the 1st page of wellplayed's top streams and on a team. Even when he's not coaching he still pulls in good viewer numbers from what I've seen.

You can almost always tell who a Zerg player is going to root for, it's gonna be the Zerg who is playing. Moreso than any other race it seems like Zerg's are loyal to anyone who plays their race. No matter how much I like how Select, Jinro, or other P/T players play, if they're facing a Zerg I'm rooting for the Zerg even if it's a Zerg player I don't like.

Look at the strategy forums! The Zerg strategy posts are everywhere and overflowing with replies. Spanishwa's strategy has 645 posts in 19 days. His thread averaging 9,723 views a day. His thread ALREADY has more views than the incredibly popular iEchoic TvT strategy and that was posted in feb. and is still an active (front page) thread.

Why do you think Zerg players post so much in the LR threads when zergs play? Because we care!

Basically to everyone who's saying Zerg's don't try, or we just whine, or anything like that: fuck off. The Zerg community is way better than whatever race you play. Hell it's probably the reason a lot of people still play zerg.

On April 18 2011 23:14 Dragar wrote:
Is there going to be discussion of the NASL map madness on State of the Game? It sounds like there's some serious confusion been happening.

On April 19 2011 00:34 gnutz wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1301_Sheth
Showmatch, Invitational, Showmatch etc. 8 entries
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1595_SLush
Showmatch, Showmatch, Showmatch, regional tournament, 7 entries

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1698_DarKFoRcE (who also isn't fulltime, unlike Naniwa and Ret)
Cup, Cup, Cup, Showmatch, Cup, Cup etc. 15 entries

You know what the difference between Showmatches, Invitationals and Cups is?
As long as they don't win anything big or a cup of cups, i don't consider them the same skill-level as them europeans.

On April 19 2011 00:40 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

Yeah I intend to say everything I know about the issue. I don't think there's anything to discuss about it. I think we'll explain the situation and everyone will say "well that's unfortunate" and move on

On April 19 2011 00:40 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

Yeah I intend to say everything I know about the issue. I don't think there's anything to discuss about it. I think we'll explain the situation and everyone will say "well that's unfortunate" and move on

On April 19 2011 00:40 flowSthead wrote:


Idra, Sheth, and Destiny are in the top 5, but Spanishiwa is below Tyler, Huk, and Incontrol. I don't know what you were looking at, but that is a little misleading. I also wouldn't use wellplayed.org as a good source seeing as they are a new website. If in 3 months time 3 zergs still make up the top 5, you have a point.

I also think that it is disingenuous to point out the amount of people posting in Zerg threads seeing as Terrans and Protoss also post in Zerg threads.

Finally, very few people are saying that Zergs do not try, just whine, or whatever. People are saying Zergs should whine less and be more experimental. More experimental implies that they recognize that Zergs do experiment. And as has been pointed out before, other races have whined before. Most anti-whine people just advocate patience when it comes to Zerg balance.