EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1205
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aquanda
United States477 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On June 01 2011 19:00 aquanda wrote: its the fucking internet. seriously people? u search for a cooking recipe and get porn sites, grow the fuck up. What are you cooking... | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On June 01 2011 18:39 ItsMeDomLee wrote: I'll bite. The argument here is that racial slurs and the word rape may be hurtful to certain individuals and therefore should be censored and not said. Destiny's argument is that he needs these words to convey his feelings. What he's referring to however is swear words and not slurs. Under no circumstances does using a slur convey your message more clearly than other acceptable words. Ergo, he shouldn't use those offensive words using his given argument. Your post has nothing to do with anything that was said or has been said. my point was obvious satire. words have meaning. you can't just go censoring words and replacing "nigger" with "slave" and convey the same message. there is a lot of literary power in the fact that Jim can escape being a slave but will always be called "nigger". so yes, there are definitely circumstances where the slur conveys a deeper message than politically correct words. as for online communication, you use internet shorthand to express immediate thought. when you quickly type out "FUCKIGN CHEESY FAGGOT" you capture the essence of raw emotion. whereas typing out "I do not appreciate your decision to utilize that risky strategy against me" conveys a message of calm, collected thought. | ||
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heladocasero
Australia87 Posts
On June 01 2011 18:52 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Probably not up yet. Give JP some time (could be anywhere from hours to days as he has MLG stuff to get done). Nah, it's up on blip.tv (see jp's twitter) I'm watching it now (not really cos I watched the first hour or so) I just want to skip through towards the end but the new blip.tv is arse  | ||
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FortyOzs
189 Posts
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On June 01 2011 15:42 Zyzxx wrote: Ugh.. I know we're supposed to respect geoff and his choice but I have to ask.. why? You mentioned it was because you are so busy, yet you choose Inside the Game over SOTG (sotg being the show that HELPED you get popular, the show that HELPED you become the figure you are now). Why abandon sotg? It just is a selfish act to me. No disrespect to Inside the game, but the show clearly is less fun and it gets less viewers. Every week on sotg you have a chance to influence sc2, hell.. you KNOW blizzard employees watch it. Why abandon that? Whyyy?! D:D:D: I have to agree with this. He chose inside the game over SOTG, seems kinda bogus to me, although he might get payed for ITG im assuming he probably does. | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
On June 01 2011 19:08 FortyOzs wrote: This thread is hostile as fuck, damn dudes. What are your guys favorite Incontrol moments throughout SOTG? Probably the time he was explaining who Artosis is  And to all the people arguing about words....oh ... my .... god. (doesn't matter if it's for or against) | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On June 01 2011 16:30 GuiMontag wrote: fouling is against the rules, a proper analogy would be a player on the other team swears every time he misses a shot Well using bad words is against the [unwritten] rules of society and for a proper analogy there must be some injury. The injury in the case of casters / streamers is the "reduced respect / manners" created in the viewers, which let them take a step down on the social (and economic) ladder by not being able to get as good a job as they could be without using these swear words. The use shapes your personality. The bottom of the problem is that the rules of society arent written and for a good 40 years the youth has done its best to destroy rules of society without replacing them with anything better ... just the totally stupid "everyone should do whatever he wants to, because that is true freedom". Well it isnt, it is only freedom for those with the power to take what they can. On June 01 2011 17:03 Jinsho wrote: ^ Please stop your amateur ethics discussions. Public shows should watch their language, while personal streams do not have to. There are NO personal streams, because anyone who can access the internet can join and watch. That is the nature of the internet that NOTHING IS PRIVATE ... deal with it! | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On June 01 2011 18:16 darkscream wrote: Anyone stuck up about the word rape needs to meet the words faggot and nigger. You don't get to tell people how to talk no matter who you are or what you've experienced, and the only way those words mean anything is if you make a big deal about them. Otherwise they're just words. Words have meanings independent of anyone's subjective experiences. That's why you're able to understand what I'm writing. You can't say the word "nigger" is only offensive if you let yourself be offended by it. It is intrinsically offensive to anyone who does not consider people of African descent to be an inferior subspecies that should be referred to by breed. Likewise, unless you're talking about a British pork dish, there are no inoffensive uses of the word "faggot". Maybe you don't understand what "offense" means. It doesn't necessarily mean "I'm really angry and emotionally distraught by what you said". It's perfectly possible for reasonable people to denounce something as offensive purely because of its impropriety. I don't understand why so many people argue for Inappropriate Term A by saying that Inappropriate Terms B and C are even worse. And I really don't understand why people are claiming that they cannot freely express themselves without using slurs or referencing forced sexual intercourse. No one is telling Destiny to stop saying fuck on his personal stream, but we are arguing that even on his personal stream he's out of line by using racist, homophobic, and misogynistic language. And to all the people arguing about words....oh ... my .... god. (doesn't matter if it's for or against) Dreadfully sorry for discussing one of the major topics of the latest State of the Game in the State of the Game thread. | ||
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FortyOzs
189 Posts
On June 01 2011 19:19 Gotmog wrote: Probably the time he was explaining who Artosis is And to all the people arguing about words....oh ... my .... god. (doesn't matter if it's for or against) That was one of the first times I ever saw SOTG, and yeah that was honestly probably the funniest thing I've seen on it next to the horses. Good call | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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eggs
1011 Posts
On June 01 2011 19:32 yeint wrote: You can't say the word "nigger" is only offensive if you let yourself be offended by it. It is intrinsically offensive to anyone who does not consider people of African descent to be an inferior subspecies that should be referred to by breed. by definition, words have no intrinsic meaning. "context, convention, and circumstance are all" | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On June 01 2011 19:53 eggs wrote: by definition, words have no intrinsic meaning. "context, convention, and circumstance are all" I'd link to the dictionary definition of "word", but the universe would implode in a giant burst of irony. | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
LOL I was thinking the same thing there nice one. Great episode of SotG really enjoyed it, wish Day had told us his specs on the new comp I always love computer hardware talk idk why though. lol | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
I can't help but think Anna's prediction will be right. Eventually the personalities that can grow beyond the cruder customs of game culture, and can engage a broader audience, are going to rise to the top. And as SC2 and these personalities become more popular, derogatory language and nerd speak will likely weed itself out. I'm not entirely sure about that to be honest. I agree that it will become fringe and not the standard but there are "bad boys" in every other sport so I don't really see why SC2 should be different in this respect. Also from the reactions here it is quite clear that some people do appreciate this kind of "honesty". In my personal opinion I find this kind of language offensive and pointless. It doesn't help in the least to bring better across of what you want to say. | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On June 01 2011 19:56 yeint wrote: I'd link to the dictionary definition of "word", but the universe would implode in a giant burst of irony. word. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
Goddamn, I almost preferred when I thought SotG was on a decline, too much e-sports talk I didn't care for. This felt like the SotG I looked forward to all week that would make any Wednesday a good day. All the more sad Geoff is leaving. + Show Spoiler + Just after I type that the show went back to the "can you say rape?" discussion -_- For people, like me, who don't care for it. Fast forward to 2:10 | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
On June 01 2011 20:18 vyyye wrote: Only 1:30 in and this is the SotG I've missed. Last couple of weeks have been pretty wank compared to how it used to be. But this one? Goddamn, I almost preferred when I thought SotG was on a decline, too much e-sports talk I didn't care for. This felt like the SotG I looked forward to all week that would make any Wednesday a good day. All the more sad Geoff is leaving. Yeah this was a great one. Edit: Destiny was a suprisingly awesome addition to the normal cast. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On June 01 2011 19:56 yeint wrote: I'd link to the dictionary definition of "word", but the universe would implode in a giant burst of irony. May be Oxford respectable enough of a dictionary? + Show Spoiler [My highlight in blue] + Oxford Dictionary entry of "word" Pronunciation: /wəːd/ noun
I am gladly willing to be educated, but since to my knowledge no actual linguist in this thread has clarified on this, I must go with the definition at hand. At this point, both of your interpretations -from my personal view- are equally true, with the difference that you see them as mutually exclusive, yet leaving out the evolution of words over time- which is in a sense the culmination of everything. The fact that words die out, being (re-)born and change their meaning is the result of both context and history. I understand as german I lack the deep cultural involvement in anglo-american language. I will therefore try to exemplify on the the german word for jew, "Jude". Unlike in the case of any other race, there has never quite existed a derogatory variant of it. It pretty much depends on the given moment in history, the circumstances and actual wording of the sentence to decipher the sentiment of its use. At any given time it was possible to use it in a not-/offensive manner. | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
Demuslim would be great choise for my taste too ! :D | ||
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