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Amazing, a thread full of experts on language and social theory!
People use crude and offensive language, not least gamers. I am actually really surprised anyone is offended by the word "rape" being used in a context to indicate competitive domination. I have heard this word shouted countless times in groups of nerds for nearly 12 years.
That being said, I do not think casters should use offensive language *while casting major events*. In such a setting you are the voice of MLG/GOMtv,whatever. Private streams, podcasts, et cetera are up to the discretion of those producing the cast. If Destiny wants to swear during his casts, then simply don't watch Destiny cast (or put it on mute). Same goes for explicit music, graphic movies, smut novels, and Japanese rape video games. Don't participate if it offends you.
SOTG is a tricky area due to the nature of the show. Prominent community members are coming together for open discussion on the game. Here is where I think it is, again, up to the discretion of the person(s) producing the cast to moderate what sort of behavior will be tolerated. If JP didn't want Destiny to start throwing around racial slurs, he would have a.) told him beforehand to knock that shit off while he's on SOTG, or b.) wouldn't have had Destiny on to begin with due to his reputation.
tl;dr if the word "rape" offends you then you need to get out more or learn to take other peoples' affinity for crude language with a grain of salt
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On June 01 2011 21:19 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 19:03 The KY wrote:On June 01 2011 19:00 aquanda wrote:
its the fucking internet. seriously people? u search for a cooking recipe and get porn sites, grow the fuck up. What are you cooking... black angus beef sausages cream pie etc etc
www.google.com
'how to make cream pie'
...
Oh.
+ Show Spoiler +The funny thing is it just comes up with a bunch of desserts haha
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To be honest, for a drunk episode, it became kinda boring after a while.
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Man, day9 says "like" A LOT !
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I agree with destiny. He is very smart with his ideas.
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On June 01 2011 21:53 ledgerhs wrote:
The language we use represents that. When I use words like "raped", or "black", I've grown to expect my audience to be at an intellectual state, where they can detect real racism or real vulgarities judging the context in which I use them. I can easily say to a fellow black gamer that "you lost, cus ur black", and reaction will often be a hearty laugh or a witty comeback, as most of us can proudly say that real racism is too far below us for that joke to be taken seriously. When someone get's "raped", everyone, even outsiders, can understand that it's a metaphorical way of describing how badly one sided and engagement was. So I'd say, the hell, go with it when the situation calls for it.
how many girls would be like "LOL THATS A GOOD METAPHOR!"? as cutting edge as your black humor is (i'm sure the average reaction is awkward silence), rape is mostly sensitive with women. if you've ever noticed, women almost NEVER JOKE ABOUT RAPE or laugh at rape jokes. the fact that dudes playing video games don't find it offensive doesn't tell you shit.
that said, i don't really care about destiny's stream, the point of it is to watch an asshole play calling people fags and shit. that is his draw and he knows it, so it's not going to ever stop.
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To the GSTL discussion. Mouz and dignitas is really the only teams that would have any chance at all out there. Maby liquid....
When geoff even says EG would be a better representation for the foreigners then FXO, I have to respectivly disagree. FXO has Sheth, Moonan, QXC, Moonglade. You could say idra is better then them all , but after that the next 3-4 FXO players is better then the next EG player. I guess you could argue that Axlav is allright, but he has no experience playing outside of US. Demuslim has not had the best comeback either.
Idra is a player that could potentially all kill some of the worse korean teams, but EG just lacks that second strong player in my opinion.
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On June 01 2011 19:03 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 19:00 aquanda wrote:
its the fucking internet. seriously people? u search for a cooking recipe and get porn sites, grow the fuck up. What are you cooking...
I was trying to make some lemon meringue, I wanted to serve it with some lemonade and perhaps a lemon pudding.
Basically I wanted to make a little lemon-party for my friends.
I did not like what I found 
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Well, we have "The war for cersei's cunt" on tv. Problem?
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On June 01 2011 23:51 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 19:03 The KY wrote:On June 01 2011 19:00 aquanda wrote:
its the fucking internet. seriously people? u search for a cooking recipe and get porn sites, grow the fuck up. What are you cooking... I was trying to make some lemon meringue, I wanted to serve it with some lemonade and perhaps a lemon pudding. Basically I wanted to make a little lemon-party for my friends. I did not like what I found
Actually yeah I tried making blue waffles earlier.
..it was delicious.
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On June 01 2011 22:22 flodeskum wrote:I personally don't like people censoring their language for anything. But I do understand that it is an American thing and cursing is sort of a big deal over there. So I can fully support them doing that at sponsored events or tournament casts. However I completely disagree with incontrol saying that destiny has a responsibility to do the same on his personal stream because he now represents the community. Who decides when you cross over from angry guy streaming starcraft to community representitive? Should all streamers be censoring themselves or only the popular ones? In my opinion the contents of a personal stream represents the streamer and nobody else. The only exception I would make is the word nigger. I just don't think a white person should be using that word (cue the "omg black people can say it, why can't I??? hAXX!?"). I don't think it is a big deal for the decendants of people that were literally owned to own a single word. Just let them have it. But feel free to say anything else 
Fuck you nigger
I am black, so its ok to use an "lightning" word
Naw, I'm not really black, I'm so white that CRT radiation appears to be coming from my skin. The concept that words are restricted based on race is stupid and is in fact racist. If any person says i cant say something because of the color of my skin that is racist. I don't give a fuck if a person calls me a cracker, and that they authentically think i am lesser of a human being because I'm white. I will not be offended by being called a cracker, i will not care, because i know its not true. The truth of the matter is that black people shouldn't care either, because they should know its not true.
Hell, i call my gay friends flaming faggots jokingly because they don't take themselves seriously, and i actually asked if it offended them, and they don't care because i'm actually comfortable with them being gay, and I'm not doing it in a way to hurt them or degrade them for being gay.
Calling someone a nigger does not instantly degrade them, and if you think it does then society still has a long way to go, its the intent of the speaker that makes a word like nigger bad, good, or neutral.
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Haa, Day9 drinks some Hoogarden, nice taste (it's a delicious Belgium white beer, you add a slice of lemon and it's heaven)
I guess it's a very expansive beer in USA.
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On June 01 2011 23:49 Pekkz wrote:
To the GSTL discussion. Mouz and dignitas is really the only teams that would have any chance at all out there. Maby liquid....
When geoff even says EG would be a better representation for the foreigners then FXO, I have to respectivly disagree. FXO has Sheth, Moonan, QXC, Moonglade. You could say idra is better then them all , but after that the next 3-4 FXO players is better then the next EG player. I guess you could argue that Axlav is allright, but he has no experience playing outside of US. Demuslim has not had the best comeback either.
Idra is a player that could potentially all kill some of the worse korean teams, but EG just lacks that second strong player in my opinion.
You always go thread to thread hating on EG lol
sorry you think so low of us mate but we are just fine. I won't even justify this post with any results cause it will sound like bragging but you are just like "well they have these 3 guys and I say they are better!"
Lol
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On June 01 2011 23:49 Pekkz wrote:
To the GSTL discussion. Mouz and dignitas is really the only teams that would have any chance at all out there. Maby liquid....
When geoff even says EG would be a better representation for the foreigners then FXO, I have to respectivly disagree. FXO has Sheth, Moonan, QXC, Moonglade. You could say idra is better then them all , but after that the next 3-4 FXO players is better then the next EG player. I guess you could argue that Axlav is allright, but he has no experience playing outside of US. Demuslim has not had the best comeback either.
Idra is a player that could potentially all kill some of the worse korean teams, but EG just lacks that second strong player in my opinion.
you can make anyone apear lesser skilled by comparing them to moOnGLAde.. cmon.. EG lacking a second strong player? are you forgetting about machine? lZgAmEr? grubby?
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On June 02 2011 00:27 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:49 Pekkz wrote:
To the GSTL discussion. Mouz and dignitas is really the only teams that would have any chance at all out there. Maby liquid....
When geoff even says EG would be a better representation for the foreigners then FXO, I have to respectivly disagree. FXO has Sheth, Moonan, QXC, Moonglade. You could say idra is better then them all , but after that the next 3-4 FXO players is better then the next EG player. I guess you could argue that Axlav is allright, but he has no experience playing outside of US. Demuslim has not had the best comeback either.
Idra is a player that could potentially all kill some of the worse korean teams, but EG just lacks that second strong player in my opinion. You always go thread to thread hating on EG lol sorry you think so low of us mate but we are just fine. I won't even justify this post with any results cause it will sound like bragging but you are just like "well they have these 3 guys and I say they are better!" Lol
I think most people who watch the scene and are fairly unbiased agree with his assessment.
I don't post often, but I'd agree with FXO and Dignitas being the best competitors.
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FXO hasn't shown great results yet so MLG Colombus should be a good starting point to show us what they have in their bags and if they truly are an "elite" team. I don't think EG is really better tough but they have shown better results but now that tournaments are stacked, i am not really sure they'll perform as well.
Dignitas and Mousesports would be the best teams to participates in GSTL. TL is falling apart.
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Forgot about Mousesports, I'd agree with that.
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On June 02 2011 00:13 r_con wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 22:22 flodeskum wrote:I personally don't like people censoring their language for anything. But I do understand that it is an American thing and cursing is sort of a big deal over there. So I can fully support them doing that at sponsored events or tournament casts. However I completely disagree with incontrol saying that destiny has a responsibility to do the same on his personal stream because he now represents the community. Who decides when you cross over from angry guy streaming starcraft to community representitive? Should all streamers be censoring themselves or only the popular ones? In my opinion the contents of a personal stream represents the streamer and nobody else. The only exception I would make is the word nigger. I just don't think a white person should be using that word (cue the "omg black people can say it, why can't I??? hAXX!?"). I don't think it is a big deal for the decendants of people that were literally owned to own a single word. Just let them have it. But feel free to say anything else Fuck you nigger I am black, so its ok to use an "lightning" word Naw, I'm not really black, I'm so white that CRT radiation appears to be coming from my skin. The concept that words are restricted based on race is stupid and is in fact racist. If any person says i cant say something because of the color of my skin that is racist. I don't give a fuck if a person calls me a cracker, and that they authentically think i am lesser of a human being because I'm white. I will not be offended by being called a cracker, i will not care, because i know its not true. The truth of the matter is that black people shouldn't care either, because they should know its not true. Hell, i call my gay friends flaming faggots jokingly because they don't take themselves seriously, and i actually asked if it offended them, and they don't care because i'm actually comfortable with them being gay, and I'm not doing it in a way to hurt them or degrade them for being gay. Calling someone a nigger does not instantly degrade them, and if you think it does then society still has a long way to go, its the intent of the speaker that makes a word like nigger bad, good, or neutral.
It's easy for some white skinny nerd posting on an internet forum to post his thoughts on the word "ni**er" and "gay". Just because you have an anecdote about your gay friend doesn't make that language alright for general consumption. The crux of the debate isn't about personal preference, but appealing to a larger audience. Because in your sheltered gaming lifestyle you feel it's ok for those words to be used, doesn't mean the general public does. When they start using the words you write about on broadcast television you may have a point. The american public has already had this debate decades ago. On a purely philosophical level I agree with you, but incontrol is right - if you want to appeal to a bigger audience you need to think before you speak.
IMO this whole debate is borne from the fact the main demographic on TL is 17-19 yr olds who really haven't been out in the real world and are still dealing with their rebellion in general. Rebellion from authoritative figures such as parents,teachers, etc.. Incontrol is getting hated on because he's the authoritative figure in this debate who is trying to help the community, however some people can't see through their blind rage...
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On June 01 2011 23:49 Pekkz wrote:
To the GSTL discussion. Mouz and dignitas is really the only teams that would have any chance at all out there. Maby liquid....
When geoff even says EG would be a better representation for the foreigners then FXO, I have to respectivly disagree. FXO has Sheth, Moonan, QXC, Moonglade. You could say idra is better then them all , but after that the next 3-4 FXO players is better then the next EG player. I guess you could argue that Axlav is allright, but he has no experience playing outside of US. Demuslim has not had the best comeback either.
Idra is a player that could potentially all kill some of the worse korean teams, but EG just lacks that second strong player in my opinion.
Even in his weakened state, demuslim is a good second player. But yea without Idra, EG would be the worst team.
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